good evening. ever since the start of the cold war, the u.s., russia and before that the soviet union have had confrontations in the air and at sea. and although dangerous for all concerned and nerve-racking, these encounters have rarely blown up into serious incidents. that's because to really some extent there are routines that are followed to release some degree, partly less so for russia. everyone involved acts professionally. that was not the case today above the black sea. an american reaper drone like this one was intercepted by two

russian fighters who damaged it and was then forced down. >> somebody could've gotten hurt. nobody wants to see that happen. and it could lead to miscalculations between two militaries that are operating not obviously in ukraine together, but in proximity in the region. we don't want to see this war escalate beyond what it is already done to the ukrainian people. so this is clearly, it was an appropriate, unsafe, unprofessional conduct by the russian. pilots >> russians ambassador to washington was summoned to the state department. we'll have more on that shortly. also get a perspective from retired three star general mark hertling. but the latest on the incident rob leaning joins us from the panic. is it clear what happened? >> this all plays out early tuesday morning over international borders over the black sea, when u.s. air force reaper drone is doing what it

has done countless times before. not only the during the war, but before the war, that is surveilling the black sea and its surrounding area. is a video of the drone right there. that's when these two russian fighter jets tried to carry out an interception. unsafe and unprofessional, even reckless interception according to the u.s., flying in front of repeatedly this drone and then dumped jet fuel before colliding with the drone according to the u.s., damaging a propeller and forcing the u.s. to take down its own drone over the black sea and into international waters there. the u.s. putting out some very harsh statements about how this played out, and how reckless the eu russian fighter jets were reckless during this intercept. not only dumping jet fuel but hitting the jet and that's the drone there. that's why this is viewed with such severity. the russians putting out their own version of events, saying that in fact there was no collision at the russian jets didn't shoot at the russian at the u.s. drone in anyway. anderson? >> along with the entire

encounter do we know between the russian fighter jets and the drone? >> the pentagon said this played out over a long period of time, 30 or 40 minutes over international waters over the black sea. it is worth noting that it is international airspace of the u.s. is allowed there and the russians are allowed there. in fact the national security -- says there have been intercepts over the course of the recent weeks between russian aircraft and u.s. drones. so that's not the uncommon part. of course the uncommon part being in fact the incredibly unusual part being the collision that force the u.s. to take down its own drone. it is worth noting that john kirby told earlier today jake tapper that the u.s. has taken steps to protect its own equities. what exactly that means is unclear. whether it's some sort of self destruct or other step to make sure that this didn't fall into russian hands. >> do we know has the drone been recovered? is that something they would try to do?

>> it has not been. the u.s. has no naval assets in the black sea nor has it had a naval assets in the black sea for sometime. so any type of recovery effort would be incredibly difficult. it is worth noting and this is an interesting step, an interesting graphic if we can pull this up. the u.s. has repeatedly carried out missions, surveillance missions over the black sea over the course of the past year. this example of that. this is just yesterday, a different drone, and our cue for global hawk flying repeatedly back and forth over the black sea. the thicket that line gets, the ridge line, the flight track of this drone, the more times the drone was flying over the black sea, sort of's not at all uncommon for the u.s. to be operating in international airspace over the black sea. what's uncommon here is what the russians did next, and one of those russian fighter jets colliding with a u.s. drone

over the black sea. a potentially very escalatory step. the u.s. keeping the response in the diplomatic lane. the national security council says they will keep doing what they have every right to do, fly u.s. drones in international airspace over the black sea in the future as they have done repeatedly in the past. anderson >> next phil mattingly at the white house. what is the white house saying? about >> anderson, white house national security adviser jake sullivan briefed president biden this morning over what happened over the black sea, and white house officials echoing what you heard from the defense department, the state department, making very clear that they have strong objections to what transpired. harsh language, but as oren alluded to, they're not trying to escalate things at the moment. however they are making clear that not only have they run flights like this over the course of the last year repeatedly, but the intercepts of happened rather repeatedly as well. this particular intercept and the fact that this drone had to be taken down, call by john kirby, the national security

spokesperson reckless, unprofessional, unsafe, making sure that this isn't unacceptable action. but as far as the next steps may be, white house not trying to escalate this, trying to handle it in a diplomatic frame, and making it clear that this is an unacceptable action. and also making clear that this will not change what they are doing over the vaccine it shouldn't happen again. >> russian ambassador was summoned to the state department this afternoon. what is he saying? >> the state department summoning the russian ambassador to make clear they're very strong objections to what transpired. now as oren said, the russians said they are not at fault this, giving a different version of events. the russian ambassador conto the met with for just about a half an hour. however he did frame the conversation is constructive, saying they were not seeking any type of conflict or escalation going forward. it's worth noting, the ambassador to russia also conveyed the objections in

moscow to her counterparts there. making very clear any diplomatic lane that they have issues or problems here, the russian ambassador saying they thought the conversation was constructive and making a very clear that in an escalation based on what happened, despite the fact that u.s. officials have been very clear about how reckless they view these actions. anderson. >> phil mattingly the white house thank you very much. retired army general mark hertling joining us. how big a deal is this in your view? >> it's a big deal, anderson. first of all, i will separate it a little bit, because nato has something called air policing. the nato air police division. they scramble jets to intercept russian airplanes coming in to nato airspace, u. s. airspace all the time. in fact, there were over 500 scrambles last year by nato air police. what's unusual though is this closeness to a drone. the thing that is not mentioned is that these drones fly very slowly.

they are not something that can be intercepted very well by a fast moving fighter aircraft. and to have this kind of experience and knock it out of the sky is something that escalates things greatly. it goes back to what john kirby was saying anderson about how russian aircraft and their patrol craft are very unsafe, unprofessional and and trained in the way they ease some of these intercepts. just shows itself in this kind of it situation. >> said that these kind of intercepts or common, just the knock and out of the sky part, the physical contact is different. what is the purpose of intercepting a drone? >> for intercepting a drone, qurans racetrack pattern picture that he showed. you know, that drone was probably flying collecting intelligence either on russian ships or an merchant ships that were coming out of odessa with grain as part of the embargo on ukraine during this period of

time. certainly the russians don't like that. they don't want people to know where their ships are they don't like people to know what's going on in their area of operation. this is not a killer drone, this is a drone that collects intelligence and communications. so they want it out of the area, even though it's in international waters and doing the things that it has every right to be doing. it's an intelligence collection platform, anderson, either on russian military operations or an merchant operations to make sure that embargo goes as it's supposed to go. >> but an intercept like that where there is not physical contact, that doesn't drive the drone off its mission, does it? >> no, certainly not. but you have to remember as well anderson, this isn't an aircraft that can avoid other aircraft coming into their way. it doesn't have a pilot that can turn his head both ways or quickly maneuver a slow-moving turbo engine plane out of the

air. so to have to jets approach this things and knock it off course just, again shows the unsafe, unprofessional way that the russians are doing business. a drone isn't going to react like an f 16 does, where they can counter the maneuver. those are the kind of aircraft that are usually intercepted, are scrambled when the russians and other nato forces get involved in these types of intercepts. >> is this something that would've come from high up the chain of command in russia? or would've just being two pilots who were bored or one rogue pilot? >> that's the first thing that hit me anderson. i kind of think that patrol planes are out there looking for drones, looking for intelligence collecting assets. but the fact that it collided. i would put money, give it vegas odds at 60 40 that this was just an overanxious pilot who couldn't control his airplane or who did some very dumb thing. i don't think anybody ordered

this pilot to do the. he may have gotten permission to dump fuel and to get close, but to actually knock the drone out of the sky, that takes it up a notch. i'll tell you quick story anderson. when i was commander of u.s. army europe, the staff conferences with our partners. i remember a general officer, not the commander once telling me that one of his big concerns and big challenges in the area was how unsafe russian pilots were when they did these intercept missions. he said one day we're gonna have problems with this in somebody's gonna get hurt. i'll never forget him saying not directly from the mouth of an f-16 pilot. >> general hertling greatly appreciated. this is unfolding as russia continues to bombard ukraine from the air, targeting some villains infrastructure. let's go to eastern ukraine and cnn's ivan watson. so this you hear about the state department and the

ambassador from russia. one of there's any other information getting? >> well, first it was the defense ministry the confirmed that this incident did in fact take place. i'll repeat some of their arguments. they are saying, that is moscow, that the reaper this drone was approaching crimea with its transponder off. the two russian jets were then scrambled. again the russian defense ministry insisting that no weapons were used against the drone and that there was no contact whatsoever. there's a direct contradiction with which the pentagon is saying has taken place there. i also found it interesting that the russian ambassador specifically said that russia does not what confrontation with the u.s.. he did use some diplomatic

language here. but he added that the fact that the drone was flying towards russian airspace where russia has imposed rules in connection with what it calls its special military operation, what the rest of the world calls its invasion of ukraine in the ongoing war here, that was basically a provocation that the russian jets responded. >> the kremlin has been making what happen ukrainian is a proxy war against the west. there's a lot of rhetoric about that russian supporters of the kremlin policy. i assume this feeds kind of more into the propaganda along those lines from the russia standpoint? >> look, i'm speculating here but having watched a lot of russian state media and some of the fire breathing commentators

there, they continually tell the russian television viewing audience, they frame this as a war between russia and the u. s. and nato here in ukraine. not just against ukrainian soldiers. course we know that neither nato nor the u.s. have officially sent any troops to battle on the ground here. but that's the way they frame it. i can anticipate that there will be voices within the kremlin controlled media that will be celebrating the downing of a u.s. uav, in part because there have not been very many big successes that the russian military can point to. during the course of more of a year of fighting here with daily deaths and losses along the frontlines. >> ivan watson, thanks very much. up next former attorney general eric holder joins us on a range of subjects, and new reporting from the justice department and sec both launched investigations into the failure of silicon valley bank. later, several feet of snow in parts of the country and where it's going next. . the mercedes-benz three-pointed star was designed to symbolize the environments

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the boma administration. thank you for joining us mister attorney general. i want to ask you about the doj and the silicon valley bank clubs. is that something it is warranted? >> it's hard to know exactly what the contours of the investigation look like when we're at the beginning of any investigation that they would conduct. but my guess would be that you would start looking at people around the back and whether they not made stop trades that are close in time to the problems that the bank had. then he would broaden the investigation to look at whether -- >> to the bank failures it's a question where there was malfeasance or negligence. i would guess not knowing that the first parts of the investigation would look at any stock. trans >> and that is the reporting on that there would be stock sales that as svb officers made days before the bank fail. and he stock sales would be a

bit big red flag? >> potentially. you know if stock trades are made close in time to something negative happening to the bank, that immediately raises suspicions. it's entirely possible that the stock trades remain on a schedule that just happened to coincide with the collapse of the bank. but that is certainly something that the justice department would want to look at as well as the sec in the beginning stages. i think it broadens from there to look at exactly why did the bank fail. what was the role of the people who are running the bank in connection with that failure? >> there also indications in new york the former president could be indicted by manhattan grand jury, in connection with hush money payments he made to stormy daniels. with that impact or damage in any way the inquiries indigo georgia and d. c. and mar-a-lago? >> no, not really.

i mean, these are investigations and potential indictments that are running on different tracks. so, what happens in connection with stormy daniels in new york really won't impact the january 6th investigation, the investigation into the classified documents, or the investigation that's going on in fulton county. i think interestingly, you could have some overlap between what's going on in fulton county, and a potential january 6th investigation, where you might say that the president tried to obstruct the ongoing -- the transfer of power and bring into that case, that might be cited here, a federal case that might be sitting here in washington, d.c., bring into that case what he said and what was recorded in georgia, where he's asking for the 11,780 votes or whatever it was. that could be acidification in a conspiracy charge in washington, d.c.. the the conduct, or at least part of the conduct, happen in georgia. >> you are focused right now, very, much on this re-hearing,

this redistricting case in north carolina. the gop lawmakers, they lost the case at the state level last year, appealed to the u.s. supreme court. they're also having this redo of the north carolina supreme court since then, that they now have a republican majority on the bench there. talk a little bit about this case, why you are so focused on, why you think it's so egregious. >> it's a pretty breathtaking thing what republicans are trying to do in north carolina. when they drew the map, the original maps, and try to re-district the state, both at the state legislative level, and with regard to the house representatives, they drew maps that the previous iteration of the north carolina supreme court said were unconstitutional, unconstitutional gerrymanders. and give you a sense of, that one of the people who was responsible for the drawing of that gerrymandered map said that, you know, what we're trying to do was to draw a map that had 11 to 3, 11 republicans, three democrats. north carolina supreme court said, no, you cannot do that.

north carolina is pretty much a 50/50 state. president biden lost the state by about 2%. governor cooper is a democrat, now serves as governor. after the previous iteration of the supreme court looked at the case and decided the maps were unfair gerrymanders, and new maps were drawn, guess what, you had a congressional delegation that was 7 to 7, seven democrats, seven republicans. north carolina supreme court flips. the only court of flux from democrat to republican control. and now, it appears that this new iteration of the north carolina supreme court, it is looking at a decision that was only put in place, i guess, three, four, five months ago by the supreme court of the same state. and we reverse that case. you know, what's bothersome about this is that this is a decision that could be based on personnel, as opposed to principle and precedent. and it is also something that is disturbing because it's consistent with what we're seeing in the united states

supreme court, the overturning of roe, i think, is a function of personnel, not personnel, and adherence to presidents. >> either national implications on this? could the repercussions -- what are the repercussions nationally if the legal theory involved in the case, the independent state legislator doctrine is upheld in the court? >> yeah, i mean something that is before the supreme court. the independent state legislature doctrine says court should not have any role in the redistricting determination. it's an affront to our notion of checks and balances. the independent state legislature theory says only state legislatures, not the courts, not the governor in terms of a veto, only state legislatures can have the ability to make determinations about what redistricting looks like. and as i said, when i talked about that person in north carolina, that legislator that said they were trying to draw a map of 11 to 3 in a 50/50 state. you would have legislators and legislatures around the country, republican controlled generally,

who would draw these maps that would try to keep themselves in power, regardless of how the people in that state, you know, wanted to vote. >> yeah. >> so that case has national implications. >> eric holder, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. coming up, cnn new polling on the 2024 republican race. which candidates and potential candidates to voters like and head to head matchup? and some interesting findings when you actually dug deeper into the number. john king is at the magic wall with all the numbers, he joins us next. ♪ ♪ a feeling this powerful is invite only. ♪ fortunately, you're invited. experience the capability of the complete line of suvs at the invitation to lexus sales event. your shipping manager left to “find themself.” leaving you lost.

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>> new cnn polling is out on the 2024 presidential race giving insight on potential head to head matchups among some republicans, including likely battle between former president donald trump and florida governor john desantis. john king joins us with the numbers. what does the polls say about potential republican voters top choice for the nominee right now? >> it's fascinating. forget the old map, i want to do this in the context of 2016 where donald trump had a crowding competitive primary. so where are we now when we look at 2024? let's start right there. the first choice will stretches out a little bit. right now before 11 months before anyone votes, this is a trump desantis void race for the at the top. that statistically is a dead heat. mike pence the former vice president 6%, governor haley at 6%, others a 2% of 1%. but if you look at it right now, crowded likely field with trump and desantis locked at the top in anderson just for the sake

of argument, use your imagination. margot -- this is what republicans worry about. if you go back to 2016, yes ted cruz won iowa but just barely. donald trump in the end ended up getting a lot of those delegates. and then you come over to the state of new hampshire, which is next. donald trump wins with just 35%. but republicans have winner take all, or mostly winner take all, winner take most rules, 35%. i could go on through them. but here's what republicans are worrying about. if you see donald trump in that poll, he's pretty, strong right? so, if you have a bunch of other candidates, and you lump them altogether, let's say your cruise, kasich, rubio, if you took their performance in 20, 16 they got 50% combined. donald trump the won the nomination, most of the time getting high 28 and 30% because the crowded field. that's the conversation among

republicans. desantis at the top of trump right now, but what about all those others, doesn't that help trump? >> when you break it down by education, what does the polls say? >> fascinating, the biggest divide in american politics right, now are one of the biggest divides right now, education. and that is true in the republican party as well. again, forgive me via stretch this out, this is trump's base, right. non-college educated republicans, 48% of, nearly half of them support donald trump. but desantis is competitive, 34% among republicans are likely republican primary voters who do not have a college degree. like those who do have a college degree. this is desantis's strength. 41% more traditional republicans, trump at 23, present pence and haley well behind them. so, you have issue divides, if you divides, but education is a big divide. >> when it comes to what's most important potential republican nominee, what's important out? that >> this is interesting. and you could argue it benefits trump. if you ask issues, the economy is by far number one, and immigration behind that. but look at this question. what is more important in the nominee, that they can beat biden, or you agree with them? they agree with you on most issues. nearly six in ten of possible

republican primary voters agree on the issues. 41% say beat biden. donald trump honestly lost to joe biden. a lot of republicans to want to process that, so he did. this helps donald trump. it also, ron desantis, it also explains why so many candidates are running like trump in the primaries, because they understand the new republican electorate is trump easy, and i want a candidate that reason. i'm >> john, stay with us. i want to bring in alyssa farah griffin, she served as white house director communications of the previous administration, also cnn chief political correspondent dana bash, co-anchor of cnn state of the union. alyssa, if you look at your former boss, president, trump looking at these poll numbers, what does he say? >> i am sure he is a bit threatened by how much rhonda santos is gaining on him. i mean, they are statistically in a dead heat right now. but i caution this. i think 40%, there's a theory of the case that a 40%, kind of a high-water mark for donald trump. so long as he maintains that and does not lose it, this raises his. and i've seen him operate on the national stage enough to know that a lot of folks will ultimately consolidate around him.

now, for nearly two years out. i don't want to make pronouncements too quickly. desantis has a lot more to prove than trump does. with trump, not many american minds are already made up about him. so, for him to be pulling at actually 40%, it's actually quite remarkable. it means he still has an incredible hold on the republican base. so, the open question now, is ron desantis is staying power. when it comes to are you going to talk to the mainstream press, how does he play in ohio, south carolina, ohio, and potentially on a debate stage with all, trump and we don't have that yet. >> dana, the numbers are good, as alyssa says, for governor desantis. he hasn't been, into her, point tested on the national stage. do you think he benefits politically by not officially being in the race yet? yellow >> you, know it's unclear whether it matters that much at this early stage, whether he is officially in or not, because there is so much attention on him, particularly from the donors, from the electorate, as our poll, shows who are not necessarily pro

trump. so, that is, again, because we're so early, it almost doesn't necessarily matter whether he's official or not. what we don't know is as we get, you know, as the calendar flips, and as we get closer to debates, as we get closer to the actual voting, whether or not desantis is going to be a governor scott walker, almost conson, back in 2015, who was -- >> that's a blast from the past. >> got on his feet, and then collapsed. >> that seems like 1 million years ago. >> it's true, it's almost analogous. it kind of is 1 million years ago in politics. but that's the question, whether or not he has somebody like that. >> john, what does the polls -- given that the former president continues to speak with the 2020 election obsessively, what is the polls say about republicans and their view of the legitimacy of the 2020 election? >> anticipate the question, i

switch the map. this -- is not like this. matt this is 2020, joe biden, won anyone convincingly. but you raise a key point. this is again an interesting question, as the republican primaries and caucuses play out. and again, it's why some the candidates don't want to talk. some do, mike pence started to talk more about january 6th. most republicans do want to touch the subject. because look at this. 62%, nearly two thirds of possible republican primary voters still say joe biden did not win enough votes to be legitimately elected president. joe biden won enough votes. he's a legitimate president of united states. but 62% of republicans still say no when you asked him that question. and so again, that tells me how much donald trump as chairs the republican party. not just on issues, but on the idea. if he says an election doesn't count, it doesn't count. because this is what happened in 2020, plain and simple. he lost. >> alyssa, it's incredible, that number of republicans who believe he did not get the votes. >> it is, it's remarkable. and i think it's indicative of the fat we live in an echo chamber media environment. a lot of folks who believe that

are probably listening to one source of media, and knocking the other side of it. what actually on the most remarkable is that 59% who say they care more about a candidate who they agree with men actually winning. as a republican, we have not won in sometime. and we have not won a popular vote in 20 years. you would think if you cared about the issues, you would also think, who's my fighter, who can win, and who can accomplish as many those issues as possible. that stands out to me quite a bit. i'd tend to think that favor someone like a trump, who's going to gravitate toward the base poles are. >> dana, the former president speech, last night saw the biggest applause lines are about education, right, critical race theory, which is on the governor desantis's focus critically on. could this be a primary season will hear less about tabletop issues and more about culture wars? or is it just too early to tell. >> right now, absolutely, a lot more about those cultural issues. i mean, again, if you kind of go back in time to 2015, 2016, the beginning of the last republican primary season, it was, i mean, there were some sort of cultural issues, if you

want to call the former president's arguments about immigration cultural, he talked about it as a security issue, but it's a lot more than that, we know that. this time around, he is really just jumping into some of the issues that we didn't hear from him, pretty much at all, nevermind during his campaign before, first or second time, but even during his presidency. and he's doing it because he sees that that is where that portion of the electorate is. >> yeah. >> and he also sees that's what governor desantis is doing in florida. >> alyssa, desantis is as changed his position on ukraine to align with the former presidents position. >> i think that, i was very surprised to see the response to. it of course, the maga wing of the gop was very pleased. i knew that ron desantis work with him in the house, he had a complete opposite side. he wanted to arm ukraine to the teat, following the 2014 invasion of crimea.

i saw a lot of mainstream republicans say it was a huge misstep on his part. and people who are still based republican voters, that's where i worry about that desantis may not be properly battle-tested, in the sense that some of his core convictions i'm not sure are laid out. i will know his book did very well. people are very interested in knowing what he has to say and who he is. but i think there is a bit of flip-flop that can catch up with us. >> alyssa farah griffin, dana bash, john king, appreciate. it coming up, some counties in eastern oregon are trying to secede and join republican dominated auto. cnn's kim vause there on the list and how they just got a big lift in making that -- a reality. also first lady in -- a new book and podcast. >> you know one small misstep isn't just a misstep for you, but it's a misstep for your family, your community, for your race, for all of humanity, because we don't often get a second chance.

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to secede and join a republican neighbor idaho. politicians rolling that out. here's more. >> it's extremely frustrating. the rules and regulations that they are making that make sense in the city don't make sense out here. >> out here in eastern oregon, the expansive rural region, and sandy gilson's home. where we are walking is a world away from the urban cities of the states. >> do you have anything in common with portland? >> we're all people. >> but she says that's about it and signs here are telling what people want, known as the greater idaho movement. re-draw the state line. look at portland and the other democratic cities that are oregon. eastern oregon, overwhelmingly republican joins largely conservative idaho.

nearly all of oregon's 17 governments have approved plans to leave and form a larger idaho resembling the logo on sandy gilson's hat. >> is this about politics or differences. >> both. we are very different people. i don't believe that the oregon government as a whole and a supermajority that has been in power here for many decades is listening to eastern oregon at all. >> it just overwhelmingly hit me that this makes sense. >> so much so that idaho state representative barbara ehardt a republican, co-sponsored a bill to billing in dialogue with oregon. >> this is where all the big decisions are made for the idaho legislature. >> the bill passed the idaho house and is now before the senate. i know its government is officially on a path to redraw its state line for the first

time since 1864. >> is it possible? >> i believe it is, so your government will no longer listen to you what do you do? we don't want them to start an internal war or battle. but at some point, that's what people are going to turn if they can't be listen to. so they are turning to us. >> the country is so torn apart right now. is this your vision? >> it is one of the solutions, yes. >> are we going to carve georgia out of atlanta, are we gonna carve austin out of texas, take a slice out of michigan? it's a ridiculous road to go on. >> state representative ilana rubel knows all about being a political minority. she's a democrat in ruby red idaho, and voting against the state bill. >> are you surprised that it is already gotten this far? >> i'm saddened but i'm not surprised. we are in a time of partisanship and hostility.

we heard marjorie taylor greene calling for the breakup of america because it's so unbearable, apparently, for people with different political ideologies to be living together. >> we don't think of ourselves as seccesionists. we see ourselves as a self determination movement. >> are you hearing from other places around the country? >> yes, we are hearing from all over the country, because this is not a problem that is unique to the state of oregon. >> matt mccaul used to live in portland, and moved east where he was born, frustrated by pandemic policies in the city. laws should match the citizens, he says. >> we can match people up to government if they want, and everybody gets the government they want and the political tension goes down. >> should this happen in other places? >> yes. i believe we should and i think that most americans agree, we should try to get people government that they want. >> portland has changed. salem's changed. eugene's changed. >> what do you say when the

people of those cities say that they are changing with the times and that's the america of today? >> they say it's more progressive to have government tell you what to do, but the people here haven't changed. >> so, kyung, idaho's government is passing legislation for oregon, but there's a bunch of hurdles to cross before talking that redrawing lines from the 1800s? >> yeah exactly, a bunch of hurdles. there has been progress in idaho, but there is a similar measure in oregon and that hasn't quite gotten traction yet. but if these two states agree, if they redraw state lines is an even bigger hurdle and that's that they need approval from congress. let's just say that if all of this does happen, how would this look? this is oregon, where i'm standing here on the side of the river. on the other side of the river over there, that is idaho. where i am standing here in oregon, this would become idaho

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experiencing wind gusts. there's more snow expected in nevada, which has hit a record snow level for this time of the year. thousands under evacuation orders, more than 330,000 are without power. on the east coast, hundreds of thousands also without power after a nor'easter grounded flights in new york, new jersey, and massachusetts. and dumped nearly three feet of snow for new england. cnn meteorologist joins us now with the latest. and we were in central massachusetts, what are conditions like there? >> here in worcester, massachusetts, i like to say that we have movie snow. a real life winter wonderland unfolding behind me. but it took an entire winter season to get our first nor'easter along the eastern seaboard. and it delivered. 30 inches of wet snow. never phones to the ground, and also the skies. take a listen. >> an intense nor'easter is bringing heavy snow, winds, and

coastal flooding across the northeast. >> we do expect that it's going to come back with a vengeance, as a front comes through and pushes everything out, the wind is going to pick. up >> we have about 2 to 3 inches falling every hour. >> parts of new york and new jersey are both under a state of emergency. >> this could be a foot of snow. so, this is a meaningful storm. >> new york state department of transportation doing what it can to keep the roads clear. >> first of all, always keep an eye on the weather. don't drive if you don't have to. when there is weather, you've got to give yourself more time. >> a delta airlines airbus partially, quote, accident of a taxiway at a syracuse airport, according to the company. delta did not confirm if the incident was storm related. however, winter weather did cause a ground delay at laguardia airport through the day. >> so, one day after, another hopefully, we're not stuck overnight. >> hundreds of thousands of people are without power across the northeast, according to power outage dot u.s.. >> certainly, have to drive over a downed wire, you know,

respect the crews and the work areas. >> the winter weather forcing school district in nashua, new hampshire, and western asked to just close. >> the biggest thing for residents is to make sure they stay home and stay safe. >> the nor'easter is forecast to continue over parts of the northeast into wednesday. >> just get enough food to last a couple of days, dig out, maybe, you know, the next two days, and go from there. >> i'm alive in spirit. and i love the snow. i love all the weather. i love new england, come on. >> so, anderson, i mentioned that this is very heavy, wet snow. so, it's sticking to all the branches and all the power lines. now, the real trump trouble -- now the real trouble comes into play tonight as the winds pick up out of the northeast. that's why we call it a nor'easter. so, the potential for power outage still continues tonight. anderson? >> derek van damme, appreciate. it is up next, former first lady michelle obama speaking about the responsibility that she says she and her family felt during her white house years as the first black first family.

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