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way she has not before about her time in the white house, promoting her third book, the light we carry, which dives into how she has dealt with relationships, self doubt, and anxiety. the cnn primetime special, inside the madness, starts now. >> it is march madness in america. the brackets are set. the teams already. and tonight we sit down with the new man in charge. >> thank you for coming in and talking with us. >> charlie baker went from governor of massachusetts to leading the and see aa and dealing with all of its issues. >> you need to talk about acknowledging all of the issues and figuring out a way to actually solve and deal with them.

>> here to break down the xs and os, 2 hall of fame coaches. >> an unbelievable group of players and coaches over these 47 years. >> nearly retired syracuse men 's coach, jim boeheim, and former notre dame women's coach, moffatt mcgraw, along with a team of efforts. this is cnn primetime. inside the menace. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good evening, i am chris wallace. it is that time of year again when college basketball puts

the madness in march. people who don't know -- from a pick and roll are busy filling up the bracket to 100 million brackets. the so-called big dance is a big moneymaker. and the ncaa which runs the show is dealing with some big issues. in a minute you will hear from that organization's new leader. but first, cnn's coy wire tips off the hour. making us inside the menace. joy interpolation, inside the madness. >> it is the wildest thing in my entire life. >> melancholy and misery -- >> devastating, and outright pandemonium. >> the highs and lows, and other unpredictability, are the essence of what we call march madness. the men's and women's and see aa tournaments are emotional rollercoasters. which can be as disappointing as they are exhilarating.

>> we want a national championship. >> 68 women and men's team are preparing for a single elimination tournament. 32 received automatic bids, the rest were handpicked by an ncaa selection committee. but there can only be one champion. >> your 2022 national champion! >> while the brackets are said, behind the scenes, the ncaa is grappling with controversies on multiple fronts. perhaps the most impactful, the emergence of name, image, and likeness deals, or nils. >> it is about being in control and helping the kids. >> in 2021, the supreme court ruled against the and caa, allowing student athletes to get paid for the use of their name, image, and likeness, opening the doors for college players to be among other things, in tv commercials, like alabama star quarterback, bryce young was. >> bryce! >> the issue had long been debated with supporters arguing that student athletes were being exploited while the ncaa and universities ranked and billions of dollars from their work.

>> they have been in help for decades, basically, in some respect she used, and so that is no longer the case. >> another growing issue? the so-called transfer portal, which allows players to transfer to other schools and compete for another team without needing to sit out a full season, like in previous years. it is a phenomenon which thousands of student athletes have taken advantage of with very little regulation from the ncaa. >> then, there are the equality and equity issues, including transgender athletes. in 2022, lia thomas became the first transgender woman to win a division i national title in women's swimming. the ncaa announced it would allow the governing bodies of each individual sport to determine the participation policies for transgender athletes. the decision has not come without some criticism. >> i am about protecting women sports, yes.

and that means biological -- my statement was i don't want biological boys, you know, playing in girl sports. >> and 51 years since the enactment of title ix, the ncaa it's still finding ways to narrow the gap between men's and women's sports. >> who do you think is the key to moving forward to the advancement of women's sports? >> i think it is both men and women valuing young girls, and young women saying, you know, you are important. your opportunities are important. >> most recently, the ncaa applied recommended changes to the women's ncaa tournament, to mostly mere the men's side, in order to generate the same amount of support and enthusiasm. some critics say that there is still not enough. it is going to take some time for any potential changes to be made, and right now the ncaa and millions of fans, they are focused on march madness. schools from coast to coast have folks joined the texas 2 step, the women's final 4 is being played in dallas this year while the men's final

fours in houston, chris? >> thank you. joining me now is charlie baker, who just took over as the new president of the ncaa after serving 2 terms as the republican governor of massachusetts, governor, welcome, thank you so much for coming in talking with us. >> glad to be here. >> you have been in this new job inside of the ncaa for 2 weeks, officially. >> a little less, but yes. >> how does it feel to be in charge of march madness, and how do you explain the fact that this event captivates the nation for the better part of the month? >> if you believe that live sports is having a much bigger role to play than it used to in terms of tv and entertainment, this is obviously about as live as you get. it is 61 games. and i think the fact that so many times the underdog winds,

and the unpredictability, and the competitive equity that seems to exist i think is a big part of it. you just don't have that many places anymore where it is so obvious that no one knows who's going to win. >> for all of the excitement of the games, and they are exciting, you are right, that is why people watch, your world is going through a very tumultuous time. in fact some people have called it the wild west. big picture, what would you say is the state of college sports in general and college basketball? >> i think -- i don't think that people who say it is going through a tumultuous time are exaggerating. that is the reason that i took the job. i could have done a lot of other things that would have been a lot easier, like my friend and former colleague, senator mitt romney, when he took this job.

said he's going from in the frying pan, into the fire. >> the criticism that you hear is that you, when i say you i mean the ncaa, you've only been there less than 2 weeks, that the ncaa is too big, and too inflexible in dealing with all of the changes in big time college sports. and what people point to specifically, exhibit a, is the supreme court ruling in 2021 that led to college athletes being paid for use of their name, image, and likeness. and i l. do you think that criticism of the ncaa it's fair? >> i do. and i'll is not just about that moment, or that case. i personally think that the decision made was the right one. i think the big challenge at this point is try to come out with a name, image, and likeness program for college sports that actually gives families and student athletes what i would describe as consumer protections which they currently don't have now. that is the problem. >> that is the criticism, that the ncaa has failed to come up with a national standard for how the schools, these student athletes deal with this nil. there are different rules, literally, indifferent states.

we talked a couple of weeks ago to the legendary coach of duke, coach k, and he expressed some concerns about this. including the fact that you have decided not to move to ncaa headquarters. take a look. >> he is not even going to go over to indianapolis. he's going to stay here where he would spend a lot of time right by you, in the district of columbia, because the ncaa feels like they need government to take care of what is happening right now with nil, paying for players, things like that. and they may be right. but then the government would be involved from that moment on for your future. like, what is the plan? >> governor baker, here is your chance to answer coach k. >> you've got to put me up against coach k, one of the true legends of basketball?

i really appreciate that. >> it is a fair question. what is the plan? >> if states passed laws that say things like, and many of them are currently contemplating these, whatever the ncaa rules are and nil, they don't apply to our state. that creates an issue where you put schools, and conferences, many of which involve multiple states, in an impossible position. i think that the answer on that one is to try to get someone, to get a framework that is a national framework where states won't be able to literally say that the schools in their state -- >> so go to washington and get a national law passed, here is what the nil rules are. >> if you're going to ask me the number one thing i heard about between then and now, it is about this free for all, this complete lack of visibility around nil. that is the same thing a lot of folks in congress have been hearing. maybe we get something done,

maybe we don't. if we don't, i think it is incumbent on us to come up with a proposal that works in the absence of that. but i do think that it will be harder to apply it to all 50 states, if states passed laws that put schools in positions where they have to make the call. >> and add to all of that that there is the transfer portal, which now allows thousands of student athletes to transfer from one college to another, without having to sit out for a year. and the threat is that when they are able to transfer, and they are able to make it deal for nil, at the new school where they transferred to, that you can get, in effect, colleges, teams buying players. >> i think the transfer portal is an important element of the nil conversation. the 2 of them are related, i don't think that you can talk about one without talking about the other. the rule that is currently in place is that you can transfer once and play right away.

you are supposed to wait, if you want to transfer again, you have got to wait a year. but i don't want people to forget that even in the big schools that show up on tv all the time, the vast majority of the kids to play in those sports are not going to go professional, and we need to make sure that they graduate, and that they graduate with a degree that could actually make a life and a living with. >> you've got a lot of issues on your plate, here is another one, which is the inequity between how the ncaa treats women sports as compared to men 's sports. a couple of years ago, 2021, an oregon basketball player named sedona prints, posted this video, which i am sure you watched, which blew up. >> have you watched her play? she is really good. >> this is our weight room. let me show you all the men's weight room. the pictures of our weight room got released, and ncaa came out

with a statement that it wasn't money, it was space that was a problem. let me show you all something else. this is our practice court, this is the weight room, and this is all of this extra space. if you are not upset about this problem, then you are a part of it. >> the ncaa, and i think in a large part, they took some actions like in 2022 for the first time allowing women to call their tournament march madness as well as the men. but you are still spending twice as much money on the men 's side of the college -- of march madness as you are on the women side. what are you going to do to equal that out? >> first of all, the ncaa -- the 3rd party did a complete comprehensive study, made a bunch of recommendations. many of those recommendations have been implemented and others are in the process of being implemented. they have made some very significant investments in leveling the playing field,

what i would call the student athlete experience. on the men's side and on the women's side. >> but you are still spending twice as much on the men side as on the women side in march madness. >> they're investing in the women's tournament -- we are investing in a very significant way. but we have a ton of work left to do on this. it is not just about basketball, it is about volleyball and softball, and a whole bunch of other championships as well. >> then, there is the issue of transgender women competing in women's sports, and the most famous case is lia thomas. you can see her here. she was allowed to compete as a woman in the national championship last year. florida governor, ron desantis, attacked that decision. here he is. >> the ncaa it's basically taking efforts to destroy women

's athletics, they are trying to undermine the integrity of the competition, and they are crowning somebody else the woman's champion. we think that that is wrong. >> but instead of having one rule for all of women sports, the ncaa are going to let each sports governing body decide what its rule is, is that a good idea to let it be decided by each individual sport? what about the argument that it is just unfair that the transgender women athletes, it is unfair to have biological, or assist gendered women compete against them? >> i think the most important thing here is to balance 2 issues. one is inclusion, and the other is competitive equity. one of the reasons for following the national governing bodies, and the international federations and the olympic federations is you do not want transgender athletes to not have to play by different sets of rules at every step along the way in the process. do there need to be roles, do

they have to meet clinical standards to participate? yes, they should have to meet clinical standards, and those clinical standard should be based on science. >> if you watch tv, you know that there has been an explosion of -- you can't miss all of these commercials for gambling. i have got to figure that march madness, we are going to see more money than ever on the outcome of the game. beyond just the brackets in the office pulled, people are betting serious money. does that trouble you to have that much money is surrounding this tournament, and college sports? >> look, one of the things that i heard from a lot of student athletes after i got this job was the -- they are public figures [inaudible] brees for all kinds of reasons -- so i agree a lot about what the impact is going to be on the incoming through various channels that student athletes are going to have to deal with. i think that could be a real problem. >> you have a deep connection to college sports. you played basketball, and we have a picture, you can see,

there is charlie baker, i don't know if you made it. but more impressively, your wife was a gymnast at northwestern. your kids played division 3 football. i am sure i, as you mentioned that the top, a lot of job offers would have been a lot easier, and a lot less complicated. let me in this conversation where i began it. why on earth did you decide to take all of this on? >> i think that it is at a tumultuous time, i do believe that it is a big transitional period. and i worry a lot that some of the stuff we talked about around women's sports, around all of the issues that are swirling here, if they all go sideways we probably would destroy what i would think of as one of the best human potential development programs

that we have as a country, do i think that i can bring something to that? yeah. i have been spending the last 8 years of my life trying to balance the interest of a lot of different points of view. more often than not i have been reasonably successful at finding some ground that people can stand on together and i clearly think that that is going to be a big part of what this will be about. >> governor baker, thank you. good luck. >> i have watched you on sundays for years. >> now you can watch me anytime you want. >> thank you very much, and good luck in your new challenging job. >> thank you. >> we will get reaction when we come back from one of the legends of the game. former syracuse men's basketball coach jim boeheim, who won a championship 20 years ago, joins us for one of his first post retirement interviews. somewhere out there is that one-in-a-million.

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good to have you with us. >> it is good to be with you, chris. >> i think it is fair to say that there is no one who has been more critical of where the college basketball game is now than you. you have said that it is in a quote, awful place. is it really as bad as that? >> i was heartened by listening to the new president, i thought that he was good. i thought he sees that there was a monumental tax ahead of him. i think he is a guy who looks like he will try to find compromise. and work at it, rather than ignoring the problem, which is basically what we have done for a while now. >> so, what do you see as the problem? on the one hand you have coach k that we heard in the prior interview say that the college players basically have been used for years while a lot of other people make a lot of money.

so how do you balance that concern with the concern that when you have players able to transfer at will to get paid, in their new situations, that it could really change the competitive balance of the game? >> i think that the nil was a great idea. both of my sons benefited from it here in syracuse. i think that the transfer portal was good so that kids who aren't playing, they go from plays, i have to sit out. the problem is when you combine those 2, it makes it easy for someone to go and play right away someplace else, and to benefit from it, and the nil does that. i think as the supreme court said, you can't regulate what student athletes can get, so you can do to speeches and receive, you, know 50,000 dollars. i think the problem is that you have allowed boosters into this

equation. boosters want to win. that is what they like. they want to help their program, they are going to put money into their collective, and if perfectly legal how student athletes benefit from that collective, we've seen the million dollar quarterbacks, but i mean in all sports, there is money being involved. i think that is a good thing but it is also troubling when you see the booster involvement and our kids going to a school to play their, are they going there because they are getting a bigger nil deal? maybe that is where we are, and maybe that is the future. players get as much as they want, and schools are going to pool their money, their resources, and they're collectives. and players are going to get a lot of money. i mean, some of the football

schools, collectives are somewhere in the 45 million dollar range. maybe that is good, maybe they will benefit the players, and it is a good thing. i know that coaches will adjust to this, that is what we always have done. and there has been 1 million rule changes. and coaches will adjust to this. >> but coach, do you worry that when you talk about a player can transfer, and the school, or the boosters of the school, or the companies around the school playing them money, then in effect a school could buy a better team and in that sense, we could be approaching the end of an era where, for instance, march madness is truly competitive. >> i think that marshman's will always be competitive because what you have, and you see it this year, some schools that were not that good last year became good overnight. and it was because of the

transfer portal. and some of the nil probably weighed in there. so you had some teams get better, i think it hurts the smaller schools the most, the mid rangers. because if they get a good player and he wants to play up, then he can benefit from the nil more and he has played at a higher level. i think we will always have competitive games, and we are going to have them this year more than ever before than we have had the nil in effect for 2 years now. i think that that is not going to be a problem.

it's just some people don't think that kids should get that kind of money. but why not? you know, everyone thinks i am against it, i am not against the nil, i think that to bring -- to get players to come to your school that way, nobody likes that. >> i have a couple -- >> your kids getting nil deals is good. >> i have a couple of minutes left. i want to ask you one last question. last week we said that he retired after 47 years coaching syracuse, won a national championship, 5 final fours. what does march madness mean to you, how hard will it be to give up coaching, and what are you going to do instead? >> march madness is everything.

it is what we play for, it is what we want to be involved in. my biggest thrills and coaching have come from the ncaa tournament, and it is just a thrill, and i hope that we always keep it that everybody gets in, even if the tournament has been expanded in the future. i hope that all of these smaller schools get into the tournament. i don't wanted to be taken over just by the power 5 conferences. it is a great event, and is the greatest sporting event that you could be involved in. i am just glad that the team block the shots in the corner so that i could say that i actually won one of them. >> in the seconds we have left, you will be doing more work on your foundation? >> we will do a lot of foundation stuff. we just work with kids, i will model something new after what they have done in detroit, which is the really helping kids get to college, but get through high school and get in through a job situation, and they have done it in detroit, and we are going to try to do that here in syracuse. i think it can be done in any city in the country and every time that you pick up the paper you see a 13 year old kid getting in trouble. so i hope that we can do something about that, that will be a bigger achievement than winning a basketball game. >> coach boeheim, thank you for

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yeah! work it girl! woo! i want to hear you say it out loud. well, i could switch us to xfinity. those smiles. that's why i do what i do. that and the paycheck. >> i don't think the people who say it is going through tumultuous time is exaggerating. that is the reason i took the job. if you were to ask me what the number one thing i heard from people about, it was about this wild west, this free-for-all. >> that was new ncaa president charlie baker just moments ago talking about the tumultuous time college sports is going through these days with all the

rules changing joining me now to discuss the state of college basketball and possibly help you with your brackets are three former players who were keen observers of the game. dntps kenny smith and espn's jay beliefs and jay williams. gentlemen, welcome. before we get to the controversy, let's celebrate the games and, not to make too much of a point of it but since you are the only one of the three of you have actually won a national college championship, what is your favorite memory of march madness? >> i didn't put him up that i just want you to know that. -- he's taking shots. already records, kenny that's true coach k? had a meeting at the beginning of my sophomore year where we had to share all of our individual dreams and when the baton came around to me i said my dream was to toss the ball up in the air as we won a national championship. i fastfood seven months later, i find myself in the national championship game. against arizona. gilbert airiness, and this time

is dwindling down on the clock -- he had the right hand upper corner and he's waving me over towards him. and i run over towards him and he ends me the ball. i look at him saying what the heck do you want me to do with this? he points up to the sky with his thumb. and i have a chance to achieve my dream for me winning a title was incredible but more importantly my teammate remembering my dream seven months before it is truly the theme that epitomizes what that team meant to me >> kenny. let me pick up on that. you spent most of your time covering the nba and the pros. what is the biggest difference for you these next few weeks covering college players >> well, firstly, i had the same dream as jay. i just didn't get to do it. my teammates remembered my dream to. it was there was no ball to throw up. but i think overall what the difference is, what i covered

college basketball is that these are young man who have -- math class, biology cat class at the same time. they are not professionals. so i also realize at this moment that this is something some of them will never achieve. they will never play on this stage basketball, 99% of the players that are playing today so i don't evaluate them the same way. you know, i expect certain criteria and excellence from nba players. but i also expect a certain passion and exuberance that i would see in ncaa that i would trade off for scalable. and i also, that is how i look at the game. so when i am critiquing the game, i am not critiquing it for a professional point of view. i am critiquing it from enthusiasm and energy point of view more than anything else. >> jay baylis, you have heard,

as all of us has been discussing in the show, all of the controversies and concerns about the game about the transfer portal and an i l could wreck the competitive ballot of competitive football. how real threat is that? >> i don't believe it is real at all, chris. i think it is just something that the ncaa is reflectively saying over the years because they want to protect their restrictions. and in fact, i think n. i. l. and the transfer portal has spread and talent around even more and we have seen it in the next couple of years, i thin k we will continue to see in the future more teams will benefit from having players spread around and will be closer, there's no such thing as parity, but we will be closer to it with money as a factor for players in the future. >> kenny a couple of years ago you said that you thought that players who ended up graduating from college, that they should get paid because among the things it would encourage them to stay in college, but players who left early to go to the pros, they didn't need the money. obviously that is not the way

this has all turned out. are you okay with where the game is now or are you concerned about it? >> well, i think jay hit a good point. it is definitely going to be a more spreading out of talent however, when i always fin d interesting is that the n. i. l., what it represents is that everyone is allowed to pay college players except for the people that are making the most money off of them which is the ncaa. if the ncaa pay their players and allow nil, we wouldn't have a wild west that they are worried about because if you say my point was if they are making rules for 1% of the people, when they should be making rules for 99% of the people, and the 99% of people are not going to play professional basketball, are not going to be able to play professionally anywhere, they will be in the workforce, but they are making the money for

you, so my rejection was to pay the kids to graduate. if you graduate and make the ncaa tournament, this will be a stipend for you, waiting for you, a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. if you don't graduate, you don't get it, because you are supposed to be a student and second an athlete. they don't say athlete than student. if you did that, i think it would make the purity of college basketball, what it is supposed to be, i think, a better situation. >> jay, i read somewhere that your last year at duke, your jersey made something like two point $3 million in sales. and you didn't see a scent of that. so given that, how do you feel about the way the game has evolved and the rules that these players live under now with the ability to make money off name image and likeness and transfer from one school to another? >> you know, when i hear kenny talk about purity, i used to look at college basketball through that lens, even when i used to hear the word amateurism, but this is a business. you know, i know it is ncaa dot

work but it feels like it should be ncaa. com. and when you see what his business is value, do you value or customer? in this particular situation, the customer is not the fans, it is the student athlete and do the athletes get a chance to participate in the economics, or does the entity just monetize off the product without sharing? so, for me, if feel like this whole thing is trending towards a rev share model in which the student athletes will inevitably have to become employees and when you think about how revved shear works, if there is a pot of gold at every conference and every team who gets a chance to participate in that pot of cold, it should share in the economic value through and through. >> guys, i got a couple of minutes left for all the serious talk, i know that most for yours fully want help with the rockets. so let me go from left to right on the screen, that starts with you kenny. give me a sleeper pick. a high seated team that you think might have a chance to go

deep in the tournament than people think. >> for me, the uconn huskies. i think, early in the air, they played extremely well. they had an opportunity to be at the top spot. they were playing their best basketball, they kind of fell off in the middle of the season and towards the end, in the end they kind of fizzled. but if they could kind of get that energy back that they have had early in the season i think that is one of the sleeper teams you could have. >> jay below us, you have a long shot special for us? >> i would say that creighton has a good opportunity to do that out of the big east. they were the final four favorite, at least i thought they were under the start of the year but they ran into some difficulty sandra patch in the middle of the season, but they have a shot blocker in ryan

called foreigner, an outstanding point guard in ryan m. heart who is andrea hearts younger brother. i wouldn't be surprised to see -- less than a minute left, you have a long shot? >> you know, there are three -- got beat up in the big 12. i love guards when it comes to tournament play, i will go with baylor, scott drew and his team has a national championship pedigree, they've a lead -- not a flagler, you have two other guards, algae clatter who is talented in the knockout shots and then one of the best freshman in the country, chianti george. he will be a top ten, top 15 pick. a lottery pick. that is a trio of guards that can cause a lot of havoc in the tournament. >> kenny in the two jays, sounds like a rock band, thank you so much. it is a busy week, we appreciate your taking the time. coming up, we turn to the women's game in the ncaa continuing struggle to level the playing field with the man. what about transgender women athletes? retired hall of fame women's

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basketball tournament has been around for four decades but the ncaa has long treated it as something of an afterthought. for instance, the tv contract for the men's tournament was worth 1. 1 billion dollars a year. but the ncaa values broadcast for the women, look at that little line, about $6 million a year. joining me now as hall of fame coach muffet mcgraw who won two national titles for notre dame during her 33 years leading the irish. coach, thanks for coming in. >> my pleasure. >> i think that most people will be surprised, i know i was, to find out that women were not allowed to use the march madness branding until last year. 2022 was the first time you could call your tournament march madness and it cost the ncaa assent. why did it take so long? >> that is one of the things you saw with the debacle you talked about a few years ago and men's and women's

tournaments were held at the same plate and completely different. the women's on the court branding was nonexistent, really. it just said women's tournament. we weren't allowed to use march madness for whatever reason, i am not sure. we have never really been -- the way we shut. >> i showed governor baker that infamous video that was taken in the 2020 tournament, showing the facilities for the men versus the facilities for the women. governor baker says since then, march madness is one example, there have been efforts to move somewhat more to a level playing field how big a disparity, though, is there still between the men's game in the women's game? it is huge i think if you want to know how we are valued to towards the ncaa, -- reports to the men's vice president in basketball. so that shows you exactly how important they think the women

's tournament is, because we don't report to the ncaa. at the end of the year when you win the national championship, do you know what the women make? we get zero. and then of course are making millions and millions of dollars. so if there's a way they can get some of those units over to the women side i think that will be something that would really help the gender equity. you mentioned that tv. we are lumped in with a lot of other championships. so it is not just women's basketball, we are in with every other championship that they have. they need to take us out and sell the market and promoters for what we are worth. >> so you heard governor baker, the new head of the ncaa, what did you think of what he had to say on this issue? and as he begins this new tournament, what is the single biggest thing that you would like to see him do to try to deal with the disparity between the men's and women's games? >> i'm excited that we have a politician -- i think that is what we. we'll need someone that is willing to compromise negotiated understands the value of what the wind can bring to the ncaa and to the tournament. the he has got a lot of things

with his plate between the transfer of the portal to the n. i. l. and really just -- guiding women in making our tournament equal to the men. >> we've been talking a lot tonight about those specific issues, the portal, the name, image likeness, not as much money that is spent on women's players as men's players, whether that is right or wrong it just is a fact. does it have, though, those rules, doesn't have the same possibility of changing the game as much as it does on the men side? >> i absolutely think it does. i think that the transfer portal, charlie mentioned, is called the one-time transfer. and yet you see that there are women that have played into, three, and even for schools. my concern is what about the education? what about their degrees? what are we teaching these kids that they come in with one foot out the door and then they can go where they want and if it doesn't work out for them and if they don't like what they are doing. >> if they can transfer a second time that they can -- set out a year but >> they haven't had to sit out that. is the issue they. been able to transfer numerous times without that penalty. that has been a real problem. because we, what are we teaching them about commitment and staying and fighting through adversity? and all of the things that sports teaches you about life skills? what are we preparing them for? >> how do you feel about the whole idea that, and there are two sides to this argument, one is they are athletes that are getting an education, the other is that they are everybody else is benefiting off them, they -- where are you on the whole

question of players being paid? >> i don't think anyone is opposed to players making money but i don't believe in pay for play. nobody that you should make 1 million dollars just because you're the quarterback. if someone's jersey sells, maybe they should seem make some money from that. but i think it is really ruining college football with where we are, the team with the most money is that will win. if i offered you -- someone offered 300, 000, where are you going to go? it is not about the fit, not about the degree, not at the education anymore. it is about the money. >> gus mcgraw, thank you, thanks so much for coming and talking with us. when we come back, the science of brexit-ology, including the one matchup that may ruin your chances to win -- land. sea. air. the mercedes-benz three-pointed star was designed to symbolize the environments we travel.

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it's time to finally get serious to help you fill out your tournament brackets. and who better to do it meant's number crunching guru, our senior data reporter, harry anton. harry, no pressure. >> no pressure, i like. it's not a like you had a nice new york accent when you said that. >> there you go. so, what is the best strategy to pick the bracket that's going to win your office? >> you know, my big thing is just keep it simple, right. because later rounds tend to count more in most contests. so, it's really important to just pick the final four and really pick the champion. that's the way to get the most points. and keep in mind, despite the fact it's march madness and there's a lot of upsets, in fact, number one seeds have won 60% of all tournament since 1979. the 2 seeds have won 16%, the 3 seeds have won 11%. so you really should pick a one, 2, or 3 to win the title. any other bet is a sucker's bet, chris. >> if you're going for an upset, and that's what march madness is all about. although we're seeing not so

much. if you're going for an upset, particularly the first week of the tournament, what are the matchups that give you the best odds of picking an upset? >> yeah, so, you know, if you're gonna go for a first round madness, first round upset, it's madness since 1985. look at how many the percentage of times that 11 has won over 6. look at that, it's 38%. how about a 12 over 5? pretty equal to that, at 36%. a 13 over a 4? 21%, then it starts to become a little shake, or 14 over, 3 just 15%. a 15 over 2, just 7%. do not pick a 16 over one, that's happened less than 1% of the time. you really want to be a levin over 6 or 12 over, 5 decades in the best shot at picking an upset. >> okay, now, we're really want to help people. because you have picked your final four and your ultimate champion. let us see your picks. >> okay, so, i am picking houston, houston. they are going to revenge the ghost of i slammer jammer, cloud drexler, -- , i got houston winning at, all a final 4 of houston. ucla 2 seed here, this is not a one seed, purdue and alabama, and alabama making it. but houston, i have as my chance. >> this is ridiculous. this is pure chalk. you have 3 number one seeds and one number 2 seed. you are the numbers guru, and you're picking shaw?

>> i'm absolutely picking chalk, because remember i told you early on, one of the season won the most brackets. so, i'm taking my own advice. >> okay, so now let's go to my picks. >> here we go. >> which are not peer shot, because i've 2 number ones, into number threes. i have houston in purdue, number one's, baylor and gonzaga, number threes, see the number 3, and gonzaga wins the whole darn thing. >> revenge of the ghost of john stockton. look, i've taken gonzaga way too many years. it never works out. i wish you could lock in this, but you're going to need a lot of luck. because i don't think gonzaga has it. >> speaking of luck, how many

perfect brackets have there been in history? >> zero, from our understanding. look how many zeroes there are. there are 18 zeroes. one in 9, and then 18 zeroes. quintillion, that is way less than your chance of winning the mega millions, which is one in 303 million. how about getting a reflection? poker it's one and 650,000. getting a perfect ncaa bracket, if you get, that you've done amazing stuff. >> well, gonzaga. >> okay, there you go. >> harry, thank you. and if you are really smart, folks, you will not take our advice anyway. harry, thank you for playing. thank you for watching. be sure to catch all of the march madness men's tournament action on our sister networks, tbs, tnt, and trutv, as well as on cbs. good luck with your brackets, and goodnight.