magellan mission during the 1990s are now revealing changes in shape and size of a volcanic event just over the space of eight months. this is computer generated rendering showing lava flow, but experts say it's a crucial discovery. it raises questions about earth and where we could be headed. experts say venus may once have been like earth until it was smothered in carbon dioxide and became obviously completely uninhabitable and the hottest planet. it came as nasa redesigned space suits for astronauts. the new suits are more flexible, able to fit more body types. that dark color scheme is just a cover. the new suits will be white like the old ones to protect astronauts from extreme heat. thanks for joining us. anderson starts now. good evening. tonight the latest on the banking system troubles that appear to be easing yesterday but came rumbling back this morning with word the struggling swiss bank credit suisse was in

deeper trouble, and two credit firms downgraded first republic bank to jump status. though they gave back some ground by the close the dow industrials and s&p 500 still ended the day down significantly. shares of regional banks including first republic were down sharply, in first republic's case by more than 21%. big banks which are more tightly regulated also took a hit with citi group shares down 5%. we'll have more in a moment on what this means to markets and the economy. chris tone romans and phil mattingly with me for that. first we're joined by senator bernie sanders. senator sanders, how much confidence do you have in the banking system right now? and should people watching be worried about their bank and their savings? >> well, i think we're all concerned about what happened at silicon valley and we're looking at other banks around the country. and i think our hope and our prayer is that there's not going

to be contagion. and i think it's imperative that the congress act and act soon in a number of areas. and i think the first point that has to be made, you know, anderson, i went through the 2009 financial crisis. and i would say that i have not experienced in my political life a moment in which the american people were more outraged at what was happening in the country than at that time. what they saw was huge financial institutions run by the nasta's of the university, these billionaire type guys engaging in fraud, destroying the banking system, getting bailed out, creating an economic situation where millions of people lost their homes, their life savings, their jobs, and nothing happened to these crooks. and the american people looked at washington and they said, you know, this is wrong, we can't have two systems of justice for

everybody except for the people on top. so bottom line here is i agree with president biden is that whatever happens in the future to the degree there are any bailouts, it must not be -- it cannot be that working families and the middle class -- they're going to have to figure out a way on wall street or within our financial system they pay for the bailout, not ordinally people. >> the just department and fec both announced investigations into the svb collapse. where do you think accountability lies here? >> again, it's hard to say looking at the facts. but i would say it is a little bit troubling that literally a day before this bank collapse they were busy giving out bonuses and that some of the leadership in that bank sold a lot of shares in the recent past. so that's something for the fbi, the justice department to take a look at. the other point that i would

make is back in 2018 the big -- the banking industry wanted a major reform in the dodd/frank bill, which came about after the 2008 crash. and what they wanted was to remove many, many banks who were being under strong supervision because the level at that point was $50 billion. any bank over $50 billion would be under stress tests and strong supervision to make sure we didn't have another crisis. and with the banking folks came in and they said, no, no, that's too onerous, it's costing us too much money have to go through all these regulatory processes. let's raise that level to $250 billion, meaning only the very, very largest banks. and the irony of this whole thing is the silicon valley bank, the leader of that, mr. beckham, came here to washington to lobby to remove himself from

this kind of supervision. the absurdity of them wanting to get out of supervision and then a number of years later they come before congress asking to get bailed out. >> i want to ask you about a thing you're doing on insulin in a moment, but one more question on the banking, tow. florida governor ron desantis said about silicon valley bank. he said this bank they're so concerned with deioo, diversity, equity and inclusion and politics and all kinds of stuff i think that distracted them from focusing on their core mission, end quote. >> we need to investigate to understand what fully happened. look, that's what the banking industry does. they want to make as much money as they possibly can, and they're willing to take risks to do that. and the sad part and the dangerous part is if they think they can take those risks and if they collapse the taxpayers in this country are going to bail them out, that is a bad situation. >> you recently introduced a

bill that caps the price of insulin at $20 per vial. several democratic lawmakers in both the senate and house have joined you in supporting this bill. have you receive any support from your republican colleague on this? do you expect to? >> well, we're going to do a hearing on it. here's the story. you may remember, anderson, when i was running the president 2020 campaign i made a trip in michigan with a bus load of folks from midwest to ontario. it was unbelievable. in windsor, ontario, they paid 0.10 of the price they were paying in the united states for the same exact product. some of us in congress have been saying to the pharmaceutical industry in general and to the manufacturers of insulin, stop ripping off the american people. one out of five people, diabetics in this country who use insulin are rationing insulin because they can't afford the price.

now, the very good news is that within the last couple of weeks eli lilly has announced a 75% reduction in their -- in their price. novo nordisk, another major manufacturer, also announced a reduction in their prices. this is a great victory to the american people. we're going to have a hearing on this issue, and what we're going to say to these guys you tell us -- you tell us how we're going to make sure that every person in this country who needs insulin is going to get it at a cost they can afford. but it's not just insulin. we're going to start looking at these companies that are manufacturing cancer drugs, which in some cases cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, while these companies make huge profits. so this is an issue we're going to stay on big time. >> senator sanders, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> it to help dig deeper into the financial state of play and what additional steps the biden

administration may take i'm joined by -- what's going on? >> things started to stabilize and trouble blew in from europe essentially. credit suisse is its own hot mess. it's technical term. this is a company going through a big restructuring. it announced, you know, it had some material misrepresentations in its accounting. it tried to raise money from a big investor. the investor couldn't put anymore money in. there's a lot of things going on different than what happened to svb, but a lot unease, and especially with a big global bank like credit suisse you don't know what kind of counter party risks there are around the world. it just added to already drama and turmoil in the banking industry. >> from the white house standpoint what changed?

>> there's a shift to steal a term from the youths. anderson, i know you're very familiar. in the sense of when you talk to administration officials they are very clear that they don't see significant risk from credit suisse, "a." "b," there's no connection between what's happening with credit suisse and signature bank and silicon valley bank. however, they understand when anxiety is high when you look across the market right now nobody thinks bank of america is in trouble. nobody thinks jp morgan is in trouble right now. all their stocks got lit up today as well. that that is a problem even if u.s. banks don't have major exposure to credit suisse. and so what i think officials are watching closely are the emergency actions they took on sunday night in response to what's happening in the u.s., are they still taking hold in what they appear to be doing. they feel like, yes, there's some stability this time.

and ensure to get the message out, "a," credit suisse is not an us problem to some degree. >> and your money is safe. the problem right now is for bank investors. those the ones getting hit. >> for most people who it's covered by the fdic. >> you're going to go to the atm and get your money out. the issue here your money is safe. and the i think the white house and fed have made it clear they will make sure your money is safe. it's the investors in the banks when you see the stocks going down so much they're the ones getting hurt. >> that's important because what drove the collapse of silicon valley besides terrible risk management in terms of interest rate risk they had massive deposit outflows. people got scared to death, they shifted all their deposits away. the reason why systemic risks came up, the reason why the 16th largest bank in the country threatened the entire financial system for a 48 hour period depositors were fleeing.

the administration made clear protecting those depositors is essential to everything. >> what does the fed do about rising interest rates? >> it's actually the prescription for inflation which is what's been bothering regular people for a year is higher interest rates. but those higher interest rates are putting a strain on the banks. it's this vishing cycle here. i think most people i talk to think the fed is going to be cautious when it next meet. i don't think anyone thinks there'll be a 50 pbasis point interest rate hike. it still does need to tamp down on inflation. one interesting part of this is that tightening in the banking sector, stress in the banking sector may actually act a little bit as tightening in the economy, so it might be working in the fed's favor as long as you don't have some kind of plan b. >> appreciate it. by the way, top of the next hour cnn's poppy harlow goes deep on the failures of silicon valley bank. how it happened and what it

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a key development tonight in russia's downing of an american drone yesterday over the black sea. american officials tell cnn the russians have reached the crash site and to what they'll actually find joint chiefs chairman general mark milly today said likely not much. he said the m-q9 reaper probably broke up adding that what he called mitigating measures were taken to ensure sensitive intelligence would not fall into the wrong hands. meantime defense secretary lloyd austin said he spoke to his russian counterpart about the incident calling it a pattern of, quote, aggressive and risky and unsafe actions in international ars space. he also said american aircraft would continue to operate wherever international law allows. a kremlin spokesperson saying today relations between the two countries are at their, quote, lowest point. joining us now state department spokesperson ned price. ned, can you confirm the report late today the russians have reached the crash site of the

drone in the black sea and went down attempting to retrieve it? >> anderson, i can't. i can't go beyond what you heard from senior defense officials earlier today. what i can tell you is that our own defense officials are studying the feasibility of a u.s. recovery operation, but there are a couple points here that would mitigate the gain that anyone could come up as a result of that. first, this drone was operating dozens of miles away from the nearest land. and so when it was forced to go down, it went down in a part of the black sea that probably is 4, 5,000 feet at depth. that is going to make it difficult, perhaps exceedingly difficult for anyone to recover this drone. second, it probably didn't crash and hit the water in a single piece. there may be a wide debris field. it may span several miles. again, at those extreme depths. and then, finally, as we always do took prudent measures to see to it that should this aircraft fall into the wrong hands that

there would be little to no intelligence value that anyone friend or foe would be able to derive from it. >> general milly was also pretty clear that the attempt to intercept it was intentional. so what does that mean for relations with moscow moving forward? i mean is there a chance this would happen again? >> so there's no question this was unsafe. it was unprofessional. it was also tinge would a great deal of incompetence. you look at the video of what happened and you essentially see a russian pilot careening in what appears to be an uncontrolled manner, hitting the drone and forcing us to take it down. there is no question that this was exceedingly dangerous. it was reckless. but, anderson, this was also part of a pattern. this was not the first time that russian pilots have harassed u.s. aircraft and have gone after them in a reckless way. look, we don't want to see one of these incidents escalate. it is our goal to see to it that everyone is operating

responsibly. the united states was doing that when we were flying in international airspace, well above international waters. whether the pilot in this case actually intended to bring the drone down i don't know we can say for certain at this point, but it really doesn't matter. what matters is what actually happened, and the pilot was careening in such a way that forced us to take it down, and those were the consequences, those were the implications. we have made very clear to moscow in no uncertain terms from the defense department, state department, from military channels as well this is unacceptable and it's dangerous. >> is it possible this was just a reckless pilot choosing to do this? do you think this was orders that came from elsewhere? >> so it's certainly possible that this wasn't intended. the end result at least wasn't intended because when you look at what happened, you do see a russian aircraft appearing to careen out of control almost. but, anderson, i think the

broader point is, again, that this is not the first incident of its kind. yes, this is the first one where forces have come into contact with one another. but our aircraft, our drones have been harassed by russian pilots almost consistently. and to say that that consistent pattern is the -- is the consequence of pilots doing this, russian pilots doing this on their own volition that just didn't ring true. the fact we've seen a pattern on the part of the forces of the russian federation suggests to us at least there's at least some senior level approval of this kind of activity. that's why we think it's so important that at senior levels in the state department and defense department, within the military we also convey to the russian federation that this is unacceptable, it's risky, and this has the possibility to escalate things. look, the only thing that's worse than an intended conflict as the president likes to say is unintended conflicts.

and it's these types of maneuvers that has the potential to put u.s. aircraft, even u.s. forces in contact with those of the russian federation. that's not in our interest. it's not in russia's interest, and we don't want to see that happen. >> secretary austin confirmed today that he spoke to his russian counterpart. do you have anymore details about what relayed in that conversation? >> the conversations that we've had in state department channels from the state department in washington, from our embassy in moscow, from the defense department from the chairman of the joint chief of staffs who also spoke to his counterpart have been really consistent with what we've been saying publicly. we want to send a single unambiguously clear message to the russian federation that this is unacceptable, this is something that we take very seriously. in a way we were lucky in that this incident didn't end with the death of a russian pilot. we've been very lucky in that other risky encounters and maneuvers on the part of russian pilots haven't resulted in

similar outcomes, risking american lives or risking additional american aircraft. we don't want to tee this pattern continue. it is never in our interest to see russian aircraft and american aircraft come into such close contact. we cant to make sure as we did today, as we did yesterday that this kind of activity should cease. >> appreciate it. thank you. more now on a different type of drone far less sophisticated than the american reaper and hawk. cnn's ivan watson has more. >> reporter: ukrainian military footage of a drone strike on a russian rocket launcher. the bloody war between russia and ukraine is being fought on the ground and in the sky using drones and unmanned aerial vehicles or uavs, some of which were never intended for military use. this is one of the weapons in this war, a drone that could fly far behind the front lines

carrying a powerful bomb rigged to hurl deadly pieces of shrapnel like this. ukraine's territorial defense gave cnn an exclusive look of what's left of a weaponized uav originally manufactured in china. ukraine's state security service says an agent reported the launch of the drone from russian occupied territory, and troops shot it down at 2:00 a.m. on saturday. this is remarkable. the officer is explaining that his men shot this drone down using rifles. rifles. so the drone was flying low. the drone was flying low and visible to the naked eye, he tells me. this is where the bomb landed, the explosive device on the drone. troops rigged the unexploded 20 kilogram bomb with explosives and then sprinted for cover.

officers identified the drone as a moogen 5 which the manufacturer moogen limited, also confirmed to cnn. the company is based in china, designing uav air frames for activities like forest fire prevention and agriculture. the drones have been available for sale on chinese online marketplaces like alibaba for up to around $15,000 prompting some tech bloggers to give it the nickname the alibaba drone. it condemns any drones for use on the patalfield adding the company ceased to accept orders from both russia and ukraine since the start of the year. but they displayed images what is also a moogen 5.

chris jones calls these materialized uavs dumb bombs. >> this particular drone we've been looking at would be much more effective if it had a decent camera in it. >> reporter: the former british officer who specialized in drone warfare says he expected more from a military super power like russia. >> this seems to be a very crude, unsophisticated, not very tech logically advanced way of conducting operation. >> it's fascinating,iven. the so-called dumb bombs are not being used obviously in the war. >> they carry much larger war heads and have done substantial damage in the past. there's been some analysis on them and kind of the components that are used to direct them, many of them coming from the u.s. and other western countries. they're just one of the many drones in the sky out here. in the beginning of the war the

ukrainians were using turkish made armed drones that did a lot of damage to advancing russian columns. and there are constantly reconnaissance drones on the front lines. the ukrainians are relying on donations to be able to afford drones essential to protect their units on the front lines to be able to figure out where russian positions are. >> ivan wattsp, thanks so much. it is a busy night. there's a new reporting of a recording of former president trump trying to pressure a georgia official. details on both of those developments next.

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in fulton county, georgia, investigators looking into the former president's actions after the 2020 election have recording of another phone call where he pressured a georgia official. the new rorring is from the atlanta journal of constitution. a source confirmed to cnn the existence of the recording which has not been made public. according to the atlanta paper the then-president called house speaker david rollston, a favored republican to push for a special session to overturn president biden's win in the state. rollston died last year. the newspaper reports five members of the special grand jury that investigated the former president said the audio of this phone call was played ipcourt. you may remember there were other phone calls by the former president to georgia officials at the time including secretary of state brad raffensperger. according to the especially grand juryforeperson they recently wrapped up their work

and recommended indictments. it's now up to the fulton county district attorney to make charging decisions. so there's a lot to get to tonight. joining me right now is elie honing and author of the new book "untouchable how powerful people get away with." also joining us is cnn political analyst. >> the listing of this call gave me deja vu because it sounds similar to the call we've all heard with brad raffensperger. donald trump had a specific strategy and approach how he was going to go about pressuring these state official. he called them separately and tried to lean on them essentially on the assumption of you're republicans and i'm a republican so you're going to use your authority here to swing things my way. i think it gives prosecutors a powerful argument this was done intentionally and strategically. >> also this came a month before the raffensperger call. this was not something he just

did once and on a whim. >> exactly. and there's a third call, remember he called this georgia bureau of investigations investigator who he did the same thing to. he pressured her as well. francis watson was her name. again, the argument is this is thought out, careful, deliberative. >> and yet both to their credit raffensperger and rollston brushed off the president. >> the answer from speaker rollston is the exact same, with all due respect, mr. president, we don't think you're right here. >> this has been played to the grand jury but also this was a call we didn't know about and came a month before the raffensperger call. >> look, the president and his cooks were completely unyielding. and former senator perdue of georgia was asked by the grand jury about an apparent meeting

that he had with gumpner kemp asking him to reconvene the legislature. we don't know the story behind that. we don't know what his response was, but we do know he was asked about that. so if that is, in fact, true there would be three times that officials in the state of georgia were asked to try and overturn an election. and it's because donald trump wanted it done, and he went person by person by person to try and get it done. >> it is incredible, elie, that it ended up being because of the strength of local election officials, state election officials that the president did not get to subvert the election. >> it's really worth remembering and remarking on. i mean, these were people who in donald trump's world view you have an "r" next to your name, i have an "r" next to my name, you'll do whatever i say. what this is an important feature of our system that separates the state from federal officials. and these officials said no.

the speaker of the house rollston now passed away that call still will be admissible in evidence because what's important is donald trump's statements on that call. >> i want to bring in cara skinell on new report about the hush money investigation as well. >> today stormy daniels the person kind of at the center of of this hush money payment met with manhattan district attorneys investigating the payment. obviously she's someone who alleged she had an affair with trump and then received the $130,000. so her meeting according to her lawyer was over zoom. it wasn't in person and just to the prosecutors, but it came the same day michael cohen was back before the grand jury for the second time. he said to his knowledge he's completed his service and he feels relieved about it. he said it was apactive session almost all the grand jurors asked him specific questions. he's the person who linked up the payment to stormy daniels and then on the other end received the reimbursement. and that's what prosecutors are look at here as they look at whether to bring charges against the former president.

we've now seen kind of all these actors come in. we saw from the campaign hope hicks, kellyanne conway. it's really a finite number of people and most of them have gone in before the grand jury prosecutors. it feels like we're building in the d.a.'s office whether to make this decision to charge the former president. >> the timing of it seems -- >> this is end game stuff here. you're finishing out the circle. you've got michael cohen, stormy daniels. they gave donald trump the chance to come in and testify before the grand jury which he's not done. i think we're pretty close to an indictment. again, this will be a significant case if they do indict. >> this is not legally -- if they do actually indict, what they're trying to do is it's a legally unusual argument they're making. >> i mean, look, what it started out was a paperwork offense. and what they may be turning it into is a felony, a criminal

case of campaign election fraud. and that may be a very difficult case to make before a jury. we do know that michael cohen went to jail for this, that he pled guilty for part of this, that he testified under oath before congress on this. so they may try and turn him into a credible witness even though he went to jail for lying about this. but -- but it is a very, very difficult case to make particularly since -- and we were talking about this earlier you have other cases out there like the georgia grand jury who's also taking their job very, very seriously as we saw in this piece today with the interview with jurors. and it seems to me reading between the lines that they believe there were very, very serious offenses committed there. so the question politically is it wise to bring this case first? but that's not the way the justice system operates. >> gloria borger, elie honing,

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decisions on abortions since the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. a federal judge in texas will decide whether to block at least temporarily the most widely used form of abortion which a pill a challenge to their safety as well as authority to the fda winds it way through the court system, possibly the supreme court. it is without question a case with national implications. cnn's rosa flores has more. >> reporter: during the four-hour preliminary injunction hearing the judge raised one possible scenario where he could keep the approval of the drug myth pris tone intact and instead block the fda's more recent moves to make the abortion pills easier to obtain. >> it's a 20-year-old drug actually used to save women's lives. >> reporter: legal concerns already restricting access. walgreens announcing it plans to stop the sale of abortion pills in a states where abortions remain legal after republican led states threatened to sue. in this case the plaintiffs are arguing the drug is unsafe and the fda's approval process was

flaw. main stream medical groups saying the plaintiffs used misleading information in the filing. and the drug company's attorney says serious side effects occur in less than 1% of patients with the risk of death nonexistent. the women's march and other abortion advocacy groups say the plaintiffs went, quote, judge shopping to find someone they believe will rule in their favor. by filing the case in amrillo where there is one federal judge, matthew kazmeric, a president trump appointee who went from working at a religious liberty law firm on anti-abortion advocacy to the bench. >> there's never been an instance anyone has overturned a ruling against the fda's wishes. >> reporter: the judge's hearing had been shrouded in secrecy, the judge saying he didn't want to publicize the proceeding out of security concerns pointing to

unnecessary death threats and harassment sparking outrage. >> i'm dressed like a clown to show what a circus he's created. it's a joke. he's making the american court system into a circus. >> reporter: more than half of all abortions in the u.s. in recent years were medication abortions most using mifepristone and a ruling against this judge would have wide implications. >> mifepristone is not just used in abortion care. it's also used for miscarriage management. >> reporter: the judge didn't rule from the bench today and said he'd issue an opinion as soon as possible. >> cnn's rosa flores is in amrillo, texas. what was the tone inside the courtroom? any indication which way the judge may rule? >> i'll start with the tone. he was very straightforward in the courtroom. he was never aggressive towards the government, but it was very clear that he was sympathetic for the plaintiffs. now, there's nuance there because the plaintiffs are asking this judge practically to

yank this medication off the shelves. but the nuance is that in the questions that the judge asked the plaintiffs it was clear that the judge really is not ready. he was skeptical about doing this in an aggressive one swoop. now, anderson, the other very interesting thing is that one of the questions that this judge asked the plaintiffs, he asked them, okay, so point to one case in which a judge has done exactly what you're asking me to do. and anderson, they didn't have an answer. there is no case because this is an unprecedented case. it would be unprecedented for a judge to tell the fda that they got it wrong. >> rosa flores, appreciate it. let's get perspective now from the president of planned parenthood. how important is the outcome of this case not just for texas but people living in states where medication abortion is completely legal? >> look, anderson, this is unbelievable that we are sitting here looking at first we had

a-year precedent overturned by the supreme court and now we have a single judge in west texas basically sitting here ready to take away access to as you've stated the most commonly used medication to end a pregnancy. it is completely safe. it's safer than tylenol. it's been in use for 22 years, and there's literally no rationale -- and as, you know, the reports coming out of the hearing today were, even the anti-abortion lawyers that are making this case admitted there is zero precedent for this ever happening. 64.5 million women in america potentially will lose access to this medication. and as you say, it is not simply in states like texas that have banned abortion, it's states all across the country including states new york, california. it doesn't matter. this is -- i can't overstate how

radical this move would be, but i also think, listen, it's part of what the republican agenda has been, which is to make abortion illegal all across the country. and this is just the next step. >> the drug is also used for miscarriage management and other health care emergencies for women. if it's no longer available nationwide what happens in those cases? >> well, that is a huge concern. and i -- you know, we just saw in texas, again, a place where it's very dangerous to be pregnant, and we had five women just sue the state of texas, women who desperately wanted pregnancies that went wrong where they could not get assistance. and that's the kind of pcase you're talking about here women miscarrying need access to mifepristone, doctors need access to this drug. and the fact these kind of decisions are being made by a judge because of his own political point of view not because of the safety and well-being of women, it's really

serious. and i guess that's what i'm seeing across the country, anderson, women are terrify. they can't believe this is happening to them. and it's -- it's getting worse. we're seeing now in florida, of course, governor desant trying to move to ban all abortion virtually in the state of florida. it just seems to continue on. >> access to abortion care is more difficult now than it's been in a decade or decades i should say in this country. brick and mortar clinics in states where abortions are legal are already stretched to capacity. how would this ruling impact those clinics? >> well, that's one of the problems. so about 40% of abortion providers only provide medication abortions, so that would mean that that's no longer available through them. and already there is a public health care crisis of, you know, women who are being forced to leave their state to access care other places. you know, you go to states where kansas is one of the states where they literally cannot take all of the people who are coming to them from texas and other

states where abortion has been banned. it's really -- it is dangerous for women. it's dangerous for pregnant people all across america. and i think one of the things, anderson, that is important to recognize, the republicans are going to these judges because they can't get -- they can't get the american people to agree with them. this is hugely unpopular, and so to see that they're shopping for judges that will do things like this, like take away access to medication abortion, it's the most anti-democratic move that i can imagine. >> appreciate your time. thank you. we'll be right back.

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