>> good evening. tonight, the latest on banking system troubles that appeared to be easing yesterday but came rumbling back this morning. -- deeper trouble than previously thought. then, kim news that two tragic -- credit rating firms had downgraded. -- markets plunging this morning, and that they gained back some ground by the close, the -- still ended the day down significantly. shares of regional banks, including first republic, were down sharply, and first republics case by more than 21%. big banks that are tightly regulated also took a hit, with

citigroup shares more than 5%. good morning the moment on what this means to market economy, your money -- christine romans will be with me for that. first, we're joined by vermont senator bernie sanders, who chairs the senate labor and pension committee. so sanders, how much confidence you have in the banking system right now? should people what should be worried about their bank in their savings? >> i think we're all concerned about what happened at silicon valley and we're looking at other banks around the country. i think our hope and our prayer is that there is not going to be contagion. i think it is imperative that the congress act, and act soon in a number of areas. i think the first point that has to be made, anderson, i went through the 2009 financial crisis. i would say that i have not experienced in my political life a moment in which the american people were more outraged at what was happening

in the country than at that time. what they saw is huge financial institutions run by the masters of the universe, these billionaire type guys, engaging in fraud, destroying the banking system, getting bailed out, creating an economic situation with millions of people losing their homes, their life, savings their jobs. and nothing happened to these crooks. and the american people looked at washington abd they said, this is wrong. we can't have two systems of justice for everybody except for the people on top. so bottom line here is, i agree with president biden, whatever happens in the future, to the degree that there are any bailouts, it must not be, it cannot be, that working families in the middle classes bail out the masters of the universe. they have to figure out a way on wall street or in the financial system that they pay

for the bailout. not ordinary people. >> the s cc -- where do you think accountability lies here? >> it's hard to say, without looking at the facts, but i would say it's a little bit troubling that literally a day before this bank collapsed they were busy giving out bonuses, and some of the leadership in that bank sold a lot of shares in the recent past. so that is something for the fbi, adjust department to take a look at. the other point that i would make is, back in 2018, the banking industry wanted major reform in the dodd-frank bill which came about after the 2008 crash. what they wanted was to remove many many banks who were being under strong supervision

because the level at that point was 50 billion dollars. any bank over 50 billion dollars would be under stress tests and strong supervision to make sure that we didn't have another crisis. what the banking folks came in and they said, no, no, that's too onerous, it's costing us too much money to have to go through all of these regulatory processes. let's raise that level 250 billion, meaning only the very largest banks, and the irony of this thing, is that the silicon valley bank, the leader of that, came here to washington to lobby to remove himself, his bank, from this kind of supervision. so you have the absurdity of wanting to get out of supervision, and then a number of years later, coming before congress to get bailed out. >> i want to ask you one more question on the banking thing. florida governor ron desantis said about sri lankan valley bank -- they're so concerned with the ei, diversity, equity,

inclusion, politics, all that sort of stuff, i think that diverted them from focusing on the court mission. >> really? really? now. i think the real situation is that we need to investigate and understand what happened. look, that's what the banking industry does. they want to make as much money as they possibly can. and they're willing to take risks to do that. and the sad part, the dangerous part is, if they think they can take those risks and if they collapse, the taxpayers of the country are gonna bail them out. that is a bad situation. >> you recently introduced a bill that caps the price of insulin are $20 per vial. several democratic lawmakers have joined you in supporting this bill. have you received any support from your republican colleagues on this? do you expect to? >> we're gonna do a hearing on it. i think we may get support. here's the story. you may remember, anderson, that when i was running for president in 2020, i made a trip from detroit, michigan, with a busload of folks in the

midwest to windsor, ontario in order to buy insulin. these were diabetics. it was unbelievable. in windsor, ontario, they paid one tenth of the price that they were paying in the united states for the same exact product. and i think over the years, more and more of us, the american people, some of us in congress, have been saying to the pharmaceutical industry in general and to the manufacturers of insulin, stop ripping off the american people. one out of five people, diabetics in this country who use insulin, are rationing insulin because they can't afford the price. now the're very good news is that within the last couple of weeks, eli lilly has announced a 70% reduction in their price. novo nordisk, another major manufacturer, also announced a major reduction in prices. and the third company, sinofi,

i think will also will announce reductions. this is victory for the american people. we'll have a hearing on this issue. what we're gonna say to these guys, you tell us, you tell us how we are going to make sure that every person in this country who needs insulin is going to get it at cost that they can afford. but it's not just insulin. we're going to start looking at these companies that are manufacturing cancer drugs, which in some cases cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, all these companies make huge profits. so this is an issue we are going to stay, on big-time. >> senator sanders, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you for helping digging deeper. -- additional steps the biden administration may take, i'm joined by christine romans and our chief white house correspondent, phil mattingly. christine, things seemed a little calmer yesterday. >> they started to save lives and then trouble blue in from europe. credit squeeze has its own hot mess. it's been that way for awhile. >> is it a business term? >> yeah, technical term. [laughter] this is a company going through

big restructuring. it announced that it had some material misrepresentations in its accounting, and had tried to raise money from a big investor, the investor couldn't put any more money in. a lot of things going on that are different than what happened at svb, but it still is that unease and that pressure in the banking system. people don't, especially with the global bank like credit squeeze, you don't know what kind of risks there are, it just added to what was drama in turmoil in the banking industry. >> i'm, fell from the white house perspective, what changed? >> there's a vibe shift. to steal a term from the youth. anderson, you're very familiar. >> i'm in touch. >> in the sense of when you talk to administration officials there clear that they don't see significant risk from credit suisse, a, and b there's no connection between what's happening with credit suisse as christine laid out and what happened was silicon valley bank or signature bank or the

deposit outflows we saw over the three or four days prior. however, they understand that when anxiety is high, as you look across the market right now, nobody thinks bank of america's in great trouble trouble or jpmorgan. all their stocks got lit up today as well, that is a problem and has the potential to become a bigger problem, even if credit suisse doesn't have, u.s. banks don't have major exposure to credit suisse. -- are watching closely as emerges the actions they took on sunday night in response to what was happening in the u.s. are those still taking hold lightly appear to be doing over the 48 hours immediately afterwards? they feel like yes, there is some stability there. and then trying to ensure that they continue to get the message out that credit suisse is not an us problem to some degree. and the effort that the put into place at this time matter and should give confidence to people. >> and your money is safe, right? the problem now is for bank investors. those are the ones are getting hit. >> for most people who, it's covered by the fdic -- >> they're gonna go to the atms, you'll get your money out. the issue here, your money is safe, and i think the white

house and the fed have made it clear that they will make sure your money is safe. it's investors in these banks, when you see the stocks going down so much, they're the ones who get her. >> that's important, because what drove the collapse of silicon valley bank besides terrible risk management in terms of credit risk, is that they had massive deposit outflows. people got scared to death, they shifted their deposits away. the reason why systemic risk came up, why only one 16th largest bank in the country threatened the entire financial system for 48 hours, is because depositors at regional small banks across the compulsory were fleeing. they were taking the money out. depositors protecting those depositors, that is central to everything. >> what's the fed likely to do about interest rates? >> that's a big question here because it's actually the prescription for inflation, which is what has been bothering the regular people for a year, it's higher interest rates, but those higher interest rates are putting strain on the banks. so this vicious cycle, here is the fed has this balancing act. i think most people think the fed is going to be cautious when it next meets. i don't think anybody thinks it

will be 50 basis interest point hike on march 22nd. but we still have inflation that is too hot. consumer inflation is running triple what the fed would like to see. so it still does need to tamp down inflation. one interesting part of this is that tightening in the banking center, stress in the banking sector, may act a little bit as tightening in the economy. so maybe it might be working in the feds favor is lying to don't have some kind of calamity. >> christine romans, phil mattingly, thank. you the top of next hour, cnn's poppy harlow goes deep on the failure of silicon valley bank. how it happened and what it could mean a large scale. the program is called bank bust, what's next for american's money? right here on cnn. new word also on russia's attempt to recover pieces of the american drone they forced down over the black sea in steps taken by the u.s. to make sure that effort is fruitless. we'll have that report next. also u.s. and russian defense chiefs talk, each side trading accusations. and later tonight in the hour

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>> -- over the black sea, american officials tell cnn that the russians have reached the crash site, and what they actually find. -- mark milley today said most likely not much. he said the mq-9 report probably broke up, adding what

he called -- mitigating measures were made -- defense architecture lloyd austin today said he spoke with his russian counterpart about the incident, calling it a pattern of risky actions in airspace. -- uses that american aircraft would be continuing to operate wherever international law allows. kremlin spokesperson said relations between the countries are now at their lowest point. state department spokesperson ned price. mad, can you confirm the reports today that the russians have reached the crash site of the u.s. drone that went down in the black sea and are attempting to retrieve it? >> i can't. i can't go beyond what you heard from senior defense officials. what i can tell you is our own defense officials are studying the feasibility of a u.s. recovery operation, but there are a couple of points here that would mitigate the gain that anyone could have come up with as a result of that. first, this drone was operating

dozens of miles away from the nearest land. and so when it was forced to go down, it went down, in a part of the black sea that probably is four, five, thousand feet at depth. that is going to make a difficult, perhaps exceedingly difficult for anyone to recover this drone. second, it probably didn't crash and hit the water in a single piece. there may be a wide debris field. it may span several miles at those extreme depths. and then finally, we, as we always do, took prudent measures to see to it that should this aircraft fall into the wrong hands, there would be little to no intelligence value that anyone, friend or foe, would be able to derive from it. >> general milley was also clear that the attempt to intercept it was intentional. so what does that mean for relations with moscow, moving forward? is there a chance this would happen again? >> there is no question this was unsafe, it was unprofessional, it was also

tinged with a great deal of incompetence. you look at the video of what happened and you essentially see a russian pilot careening in what appears to be an uncontrolled manner, hitting the drone and forcing us to take it down. there is no question that this was exceedingly dangerous and it was reckless. but it was also part of a pattern. it wasn't the first time that russian pilots have harassed u. s. aircraft and have gone after them in a reckless way. we don't want to see one of these incidents escalate. it is our goal to see to it that everyone is operating responsibly. the united states was doing that when we were flying in international airspace well above international waters. whether the pilot in this case intended to bring the drone down, i don't know if we can say for certain at this point. but it doesn't matter. what matters is what happened. the pilot was careening in such a way that forced us to take this down. those were the consequences. those are the implications. we have made very clear to

moscow in no uncertain terms, from the state department, from the defense department, and military channels as well, that this is unacceptable and it's dangerous. >> is it possible that this was just a reckless pilot choosing to do this? do you think this was orders that came from elsewhere? >> it's certainly possible that this wasn't intended. the end result, at least, wasn't intended, because when you look at what happened you do see a russian aircraft appearing to careen out of control, almost. but i think the broader point is, again, that this is not the first incident of its kind. it's the first time the forces have come into contact, but our aircraft, our drones have been harassed by russian pilots almost consistently. and to say that that consistent pattern is the consequence of pilots doing this, russian pilots doing this on their own volition, that just doesn't ring true. the fact that we have seen a

pattern on the part of the forces of the russian federation suggests to us at least that there is some senior level approval of this kind of activity. that's why we think it's so important that at senior levels in the state department within the military, we also convey to the russians that this is unacceptable, it's risky, and this has the possibility to escalate things. the only thing that is worse than an intended conflict is an unintended conflict. it's these types of maneuvers that has the potential to put u.s. aircraft, even u.s. forces, in contact with those of the russian federation. it's not in our interests, it's not in russia's interests, and we don't want to see that happen. >> secretary austin confirmed he spoke to his russian counterpart. you have details about what was in that conversation? >> the conversations that we have had in state department channels, from the state

department in washington, to moscow, from the defense department, from the chairman injuries joint chiefs of staff who also spoke to his hound counterpart, have been really consistent with what we've been saying publicly. we want to send a single, unambiguously clear message to the russian federation that this is unacceptable. this is something that we take very seriously. in a way, we are lucky in that this incident didn't end with the death of a russian pilot. we have been very lucky in that other risky encounters and maneuvers on the part of russian pilots haven't resulted in similar outcomes. risking american lives or risking additional american aircraft. we don't want to see this pattern continue. it is never in our interests to see russian aircraft and american aircraft come in such close contact. we want to make clear that this kind of activity should cease.

>> i appreciate it. more now on a different type of drone, frailest officiated the american report and global hawk. the made in china. they've become a big part of the war in ukraine. our reporter has more. >> ukrainian military footage of a drone strike on a russian rocket launcher. the bloody war between russia and ukraine is being fought on the ground and in the sky, using drones and unmanned aerial vehicles or uavs, some of which were never intended for military use. this is one of the weapons in this war, a drone that can fly far behind the front lines, carrying a powerful bomb rigged to hurl deadly pieces of shrapnel like this. ukraine's territorial defense gave cnn an exclusive look at what is left of a weaponized uav, originally manufactured in china. ukraine's state security service says an agent reported the launch of the drone from

russian occupied territory and troops shot it down at two a. m. on saturday. >> this is remarkable. the officer is explaining that his men shot this drone down using rifles. rifles. so the drone was flying low. >> the drone was flying low, invisible to the naked eye, he tells me. this is where the bomb landed. the explosive device on the drone. >> troops rigged the unexploded 20 kilogram bomb with explosives and then sprinted for cover. officers identified the drone an a mugen 5, which the manufacturer, mugen limited, also confirmed to cnn. the company is based in china, designing air frames for activities like forest fire prevention and agriculture. these drones have been available for sale in chinese online market places likalibaba0

prompting some tech barbers to call it the alibaba drones. >> they can know couldn't use of their boats and says the company cease to accept orders from russia in ukraine since the start of the war. but in january, russian forces displayed these images of what is also a mugen five. the russian military claims it was a ukrainian uav that it shot down. drone expert chris lincoln jones call these militarized uavs dumb bombs. >> this particular drone we've been looking at would be much more effective if it had a decent camera in it. >> the former british army officer who specialized in drone warfare says he expected more from a military superpower like russia. >> this seems to be a very

crude, unsophisticated, not very technologically advanced way of conducting operations. >> it's fascinating. the so-called dumb bombs are not the only drones being used in the battlefield. in the ukraine. how do they compare to those given to russia by iran? >> those are kind of killer drones that carry much larger warheads, and they have done substantial damage in the past. there's been some analysis on them and kind of the components that are used to direct them, many of them coming from the u. s. and other western countries. they are just one of the many drones in the sky out here. at the beginning of the war, the ukrainians ertr using turkish made drones that did a lot of damage to advancing russian columns, and they are constantly reconnaissance drones along the front lines. ukrainians are relying, to a great degree, on crowd funding

and donations for the individual units to be able to afford small commercial drones that are essential for a kind of protecting their units on the frontlines from being able to figure out where russian positions. >> incredible. ivan watson, thank you so much. it is a busy night, this is a report of another recording of then president trump trying to pressure georgia official after the 2020 election, and in another case involving the former president, stormy daniels met with prosecutors today. details on those developments, next. been at our core. as every action counts, we are committed to building vehicles that contain an average of 40% recycled materials. repurposing waste, such as old fishing nets. and, going all electric by 2030. land. sea. air. join us on our journey to a more sustainable future. hi, i'm tony hawk, and like many of you, i take a statin to reduce cholesterol, but statins can also deplete coq10 levels. that's why my doctor recommended qunol coq10. qunol has the number one

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investigators looking into the former presidents actions up to the 2020 election to have a recording of another phone call -- georgia official. the new reporting from the atlanta journal constitution -- confirms to cnn the existence of the recording which is not made public. according to the atlanta pepper, the then president called georgia how speaker david rawlston, fellow republican, to push for a special session to overturn president biden's win in the state. -- died last year. the newspaper reports -- five members of the special grand jury that investigated the former president said the audio of this phone call was played in court. you may remember there were other phone calls by the former president to georgia officials at the time, including secretary of state brad raffensperger. according to the special grand jury foreperson, the recently wrapped up their work and wrapped up multiple indictments. now, it's up to the fulton county district attorney to make charging decisions. so there's a lot to get through tonight. joining me now is cnn senior legal analyst --

author of the new book untouchable, how powerful people get away with it. also joining us is -- elie, from a legal standpoint, significant is this new call? >> the description of this call really give me déjà vu, because it sounds very similar to the call that we have all heard many times that donald trump lays to the secretary of state, brad raffensperger. what this would show me is that donald trump had a specific strategy and approach for how he was going to go about pressuring the state officials. he called them separately and try to lean on them, essentially on the assumption of, well, your republicans and i'm a republican, so you're going to use your authority here to swing things my way. i think it gives prosecutors a powerful argument that this was done intentionally and strategically. >> it also, this came a month before the raffensperger call. >> yes. >> this was not something he just did once on a whim. >> exactly. and there is the third call. remember, he called this georgia bureau of

investigations investigator who he did the same thing to, he pressured her as well. francis watson was her name. the argument is this was thought out, careful, deliberative. >> and yet both, to their credit, raffensperger and rawlston, brushed off the president. >> the response from speaker rawlston is the same. with all due respect, mister president, we don't think you're right here. >> gloria, what does it say to you that knowing that this is has now been played to the grand jury, but also a call we did not know about that came before the raffensperger call? >> well look the president and he is troops were completely unyielding and one other thing this story talks about is that former senator purdue of georgia was asked by the grand jury about an apparent meeting that he had with governor kemp, asking him to reconvene the legislature. we don't know the story behind that. we don't know what his response was, but we do know that he was asked about that.

so if that, is in fact, true, then there would be three times that officials in the state of georgia were asked to try and overturn an election. and it's because donald trump wanted it done and he went person by person by person to try and get it done. >> it is incredible that it ended up being because of the strength of local election officials, state election, officials that the president did not get to subvert the election. >> it's worth remembering and remarking on. these are people who, in donald trump's worldview, you have an r next to your name, i have an r next to my name, you do whatever i say. it's an important feature of our system that separates the state from officials. the official said no, i'm not about. this and the thing about ralston, who is now passed, a way that call is still admissible. was important is donald trump's

statement on that call. i want to bring in someone on the trump hush money available as well. >> today, stormy daniels, or the person at the center of this hush money payment, met with manhattan district attorney prosecutors who are investigating the payment. she is someone who alleges that she had the affair with trump and then received the $130,000. so her meeting was over zoom and it wasn't in person. it was just to the prosecutors, but it came the same day that michael cohen was back for the grandeur even second time. he said to his knowledge, he has completed his service, and he feels relieved. he says it was an active session that almost all of the grand jurors asked him specific questions. he is the person who linked up the payments to stormy daniels and then on the other end received the reimbursement. that's what prosecutors are looking at here as they look at whether to bring charges against the former president. he's now seeing all these actors coming in. we saw from the campaign, hope hicks, kellyanne conway. it's a finite number of people,

and most of them have gone before the prosecutor gradually. it feels like we're building to the da's office to make this historic decision of whether or trying to former president. >> and the timing of -- it >> this is endgame staff, as she said, just fills finishing up this circle, michael cohen, stormy daniels, they gave him the chance to come in and testify, and he didn't. we're close to an indictment. but this will be a difficult case if they do indict. >> this is not, legally, if they do actually indict, what they are trying to do is, it's illegally unusual arguments they are making. >> look, what it started out was, a paperwork offense, and what they may be turning it into is a felony, a criminal case, of campaign election fraud. and that may be a very difficult case to make before a jury. we do know that michael cohen went to jail for this, that he

pled guilty for part of this, that he testified under oath before congress on this. so they may try and turn him into a credible witness, even though he went to jail for lying about this. but it is a very difficult case to make, particularly since, and we're talking about this earlier, you have other cases out there like the georgia grand jury, also taking their job very seriously, as we saw in this piece today, with the interview with jurors. it seems to me, reading between the lines, they believe there were very serious offenses committed there. so the question politically is, is it wise to bring this case first? but that's not the way the justice system operates. >> thank you so much. coming up any moment, a federal judge in texas could decide whether to block the most widely used form of abortion pills despite their presence in the u.s. for more than two decades. it may have reverberations across the country.

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>> we're waiting for one of the most anticipated judicial decisions on abortion since the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. a federal judge in texas will decide whether to block, at least temporarily, the most widely used form of abortion, which is a pill, while the challenge to their safety, as well as the authority of the

fda winds its way through the court system, possibly to the supreme court. it is, without question, a case with immense national implication. cnn's rosa flores has more. >> during the four hour preliminary injunction hearing, the judge raised one possible scenario, where he could keep the approval of the drug mifepristone intact, and instead block the fda's more recent moves to make the abortion pills easier to obtain. >> it's a 20-year-old drug that's actually used to save women's lives. >> legal concerns? already restricting access. walgreens announcing it plans to stop the sale of abortion pills in states where abortion remains legal after republican led states threatened to sue. in this case, the plaintiffs are arguing the drug is unsafe, and the fda's approval process was flawed. mainstream medical groups saying the plaintiffs used misleading information and filing. and the drug companies attorney says, serious side effects occur in less than 1% of patients, with the risk of death nonexistent.

the women's march and other abortion advocacy groups say the plaintiffs would, quote, judge shopping to find someone who would rule in their favor. by filing the case in amarillo, where there is one federal judge, matthew kacsmaryk, a president trump appointee, who went from working at a religious liberty law firm on anti-abortion advocacy to the federal bench. >> it would be unprecedented for a judge, a single judge, to say the fda got it wrong 23 years ago there has never been an incidents where anyone has overturned a ruling of the fda against the fda wishes. >> judge kacsmaryk's handling of today's hearing had been shrouded in secrecy. the judge said he did not want to publicize the proceeding over concerted -- security concerns, pointing to death threats and harassment, sparking outrage over the lack of transparency. >> i'm just like a clown to show what i joke he is.

he's making the american court system into a circus. >> more than half of all abortions in the u.s., in recent years, were medication abortions, most using mifepristone. and a ruling against this drug would have wide implications. >> mifepristone is not just used in abortion care. it is also used for miscarriage management. >> the judge did not rule from the bench today, and said he would issue an opinion as soon as possible. >> cnn's rosa flores is in amarillo, texas. what was the tone inside the courtroom? any indication which way the judge may rule >> i'll start with the tone. he was very straightforward in the courtroom. he was not aggressive toward the government. but it was very clear that he was sympathetic for the plaintiffs. now, there is nuance there. because the plaintiffs are asking this judge, practically, to yank this medication off the shelves. but the nuance is, that in the questions that the judge asked the plaintiffs, it was clear that the judge really is not ready. he was skeptical about doing

this in an aggressive, one swoop. anderson, the other very interesting thing is, one of the questions that this judge asked the plaintiffs -- he asked them, okay, so point to one case in which a judge has done exactly what you are asking me to do. and anderson, they did not have an answer. there is no case. because this is an unprecedented case. it would be unprecedented for a judge to tell the fda that they got it wrong. >> rosa flores, appreciate it. let's get perspective now from cecile richards, a former president of planned parenthood. ms. cecile richards, how port -- important is this case, not just for texas but for people living in states where medication abortion is completely legal? >> look, anderson, this is unbelievable, that we are sitting here looking at -- first, we have a 50-year precedent of overturning -- court, they write -- just about pregnancy. that will have a single -- in west texas, basically sitting here, ready to take

away access to, as you stated, the most commonly used medication to end a pregnancy, it is completely safe. it safer than tylenol. it's been in use for 22 years. and there is literally no rationale, and as the report is coming out of the hearing today were, even the antiabortion lawyers, that are making this case, admitted there is zero precedent for this ever happening. 64 and a half million women, in america, potentially, will lose access to this medication. and as you say, it is not simply in states like texas that have banned abortion. it is states all across the country, including states new york, california -- it does not matter. this is -- i can't overstate how radical this move would be. but i also -- listen, it's part of what the republican agenda has been, which is to make abortion illegal all across the country. and this is just the next step.

>> the drug is also used for miscarriage management and other health care emergencies for women. if it's not available nationwide, what happens in those cases? >> well, i mean, that is a huge concern. and we just saw in texas, again, a place where it is very dangerous to be pregnant -- we had five women just sue the state of texas, women that desperately wanted pregnancies that went wrong, where they could not get assistance. and that's the kind of case that you are talking about here, where women who are miscarrying need access to mifepristone, doctors need access to this drug. and the fact that these kinds of decisions are being made by a judge, because of his own political point of view, not because of the safety and well-being of women -- it's really serious. and i guess that's what i am seeing across the country, and it's that, women are terrified.

they can't believe that this is happening to them. and it is getting worse. we are seeing now in florida, of course, governor desantis, trying to issue a ban -- all abortion in the state of florida. and it just seems to continue. >> the access to abortion here is more difficult than it has been in decades, in this country. brick and mortar clinics in states where abortion is legal are already stretched to capacity. how will this ruling impacting those clinics? >> well, that's one of the problems. so, about 40% of abortion providers only provide medication abortions. so, that would mean that that's no longer available through them. and already, there is a public health care crisis of women who are being forced to leave their state to access care other places. you go to states where -- kansas is one of the states where they literally cannot take all the people that are coming to them from texas and other states, where abortion has been banned. it is dangerous for women, it is dangerous for pregnant people all across america. and i think one of the things, anderson, that is important to recognize, the republicans are going to these judges because

they can't get to the american people to agree with them. this is hugely unpopular. and so to say that they are shopping for judges that well do things like this, like take away access to medication abortion, it's the most anti-democratic move that i can imagine. >> this cecile richards, i appreciate your time. thank you. we will be right back. what's the big deal? gasp! what's the big deal? what's the big deal? what's the big deal? what's the big deal? ♪marching band music♪ ♪marching band music♪ i'll get a cart. get two! scotts daylawn saving is the biggest deal of the year. stock up early and save up to $20 dollars on the best scotts products.

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is just terrible, so tell me, what does the data show? >> look, when i think of a sandwich, i think of a pastrami sandwich when i was growing up -- >> never had one. >> russian dressing -- >> don't know what that is -- >> it just so good. but the fact, is when you look at what percentage saturated fats makeup from sandwiches from of the american diet, it's 19%. a look at sodium, it's 20%. look at added sugars. >> it's a killer. >> 7%. it's the white bread, right? >> even the wheat bread -- it's not actually -- and has a lot of added sugar. >> it's not great. it's also stuff like ketchup. this was the surprising thing. it's all sugar. my russian dressing, which has sugar in -- it it's very disappointing. the article suggested mayo is better. i'm not sure about that. i prefer catch up to mayo. >> so, you are going to have a sandwich, which, we all do want to have a sandwich from time to time -- the article, as i remember, recommended, like, chicken

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