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rescues of this week. it began a week ago. can you believe it already? the government was forced to ten step in after silicon valley bank fell victim to a bank run with at least three other banks needing intervention in the days sense. thursday first republic bank securing a $30 billion with a b, $30 billion life line from a group of america's largest banks. why does it feel like everyone is waiting for the next banking shoe to drop? joining me john hart, former communications director for tom coburn, karen finney, national security attorney bradley moss and republican strategist rina shaw. it's true. many have been thinking how many others are going to fall in line? is this the beginning of the end or the end of the beginning as it comes to the worries? >> i was on the hill with two members of congress in 2008 and 2009 and this is tough but

nothing like that time. we need to remember that. i think pulling back here what i see to be hugely problematic is the fact that there is a lack of competition between the big banks. when you look at what's to come, look at other banks, the top 20 bains and seeing how they act like svb. svb was trying to act like a regional bank yet it had overblown expectations and plans for itself. i think it's less about culture and the very fact that the big banks behave recklessly. their executives behave recklessly. they don't believe that the regulators can do anything to them. another thing that's funny. former congressman barney frank sits on the board of a very large bank. i think there is a serious concern about how you move forward when they are going to be deleterious effects on housing. we need to talk about getting more liquidity into the mortgage market. i think that could be a good fix

to begin with. >> it will be interesting to see next week we are supposed to -- the fed is supposed to raise interest rates. do they continue? we are talking about how the raising of interest rates in addition to the fed not so much doing its job with regard to svb -- you know. >> yeah. >> sun break and sbf. totally different. >> but, you know, i mean, these are real questions. do they raise as much as folks have been anticipating? and does that settle the market? if they don't do that, does that create panic or concern particularly given what we saw with credit suisse and everybody saying it's all calm. how does the fed play into that? >> interesting to see, we got this report before we were coming on from abc news that svb execs were dumping stocks leading up to the collapse. how much of the investigation, both the justice department, but also congress will look into the extent to which some of these

executives, going to your point, abused their power and abuse the system when there was a gap in regulatory oversight and did it to their own personal benefit. we saw that in 2008 and almost nothing happened to any of those individuals. they got golden parachutes, did something else without any shame or accountability. will we see that again? remember there were a lot of political implications that came out of how that crisis was handled both on left, you think of occupy wall street, on the right the tea party and those were the outgrowth of the 2008 crash. are we going to see that again? >> on the idea of the dumping of stocks, there are instances where it's not necessary. the investigation is going to be a part of that. it's a strong point to think about what this new frontier looks like. the idea if this happened, if -- for the postmortem has been so easy to dissect and think about what happened, then deterrence maybe should have been more readily available and easier. >> right. i was also on the hill during

2007-2008 -- >> who wasn't on the hill? show of hands. >> i was a young -- >> easier times. [ laughter ] >> the reason these banks acted recklessly is because they were incentivized. they knew they would be bailed out. the problem in washington is that when there is no loser, everybody loses in the economy. and we have too many people in d.c. who believe in tooth fairy economics. if you lose something, money magically shows up under your pillow and everything is okay. >> that's the name of your next book. that's the one. >> yeah. >> but it really gets down to the question of what is your theory of wealth creation? is wealth a measure of what people value and will pay for things that are important to them, goods and services, or defined by whatever government says it is, whatever government decides to print that year. whenever we get away from wealth creation being anything other than what people value we set ourselves on a dangerous path, whether it's esg, svb, whatever

it's called, they had an a rating for eric garcetti. well, that didn't help very much.sg. well, that didn't help very much. if you are creating wealthy, then you are adding something, you have the foundation and platform to talk about other things. if you are not -- and what they ask is didn't manage risk well. that's the simple explanation. >> you look at why that was. we have to say what did the regulators fail to do and i don't care whether they were working remotely, cared about social justice issues or not, you still have a job you are supposed to be doing, managing that wealth, managing risk. number three, as much as many of my democrats don't want to talk with it, lightning up some of those restrictions in 2018 appears may played a role. they should be able to say we made a mistake. make a prediction of a phrase that's going to come back into the lexicon, old and new again, claw back. we are going to be talking about -- because in addition to

what you were saying about dumping stocks, they have enough money to give themselves some nice million dollars bonuses just as everything was going down the drain. so i do think we will hear -- >> i think this is a great time to talk about -- and have a really realistic and reasoned conversation about decentralized finance. i know people get really nervous. i like cryptocurrency. i think it's important to talk about -- i really do. and i think, you know, you have people on hill who are big enemies of this. senator liz cheney one of those people.elizabeth warren one of those people. i mean, this is a real conversation americans are thinking about the future of finance and these big banks being able to control everything and then having such deleterious effects on our everyday lives and again bringing it all back to other things like housing. housing shortage and the fact that we no longer talk about are we an ownership society, a society that's going to rent forever and talking to millennials about that as well.

>> two things. one, signature bank is known for cryptocurrency. one of the beianks that had the failures in the last week. but i do wonder about -- i mean our conversation became very esoteric and not so much about the minutia of this particular problem which i think is exactly what might happen on the hill. and the idea if we are to broaden in the way we are talking about, is that going to be a good or bad thing to solving the problem or whether it become a conversation about how we view and value money more broadly? >> is that a problem that can be solved. you said it all about wealth creation? what's the saying? money makes the world go around. that builds up modern economies. it's the foundation of everything we have now. is there a true institution or a political solution to that? or does this go to a larger cultural problem on how we value money and how we assess risk. is that something that can be legislatively fixed or is that a

cultural problem that isn't easily addressed through politics? >> one of the ways to address it, the president called for -- asked congress to do today, create or give the power to get the money back from those executives, that there should be more accountability among the executives and those who were in charge of managing that risk and who failed to do their jobs. >> well, her bracket will be claw backs now. march madness like political brakts we have got right now. stick around. when we come back they are calling it a david versus goliath kind of lawsuit. bucks county, pennsylvania, suing some social media giants and they are accusing them of triggering a mental health crisis among teenagers in the county. do they have a shot? but there is one van equipped to handle them all. for over 120 years, mercedes-benz vans have

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contribute to rising mental health problems in kids. they are going after tiktok, instagram, they are going after facebook, snapchat and youtube demanding accountability and unspecified financial damages for the rising costs of mental health services. the county offers to young people. here with me now to discuss is joe khan, solicitor of bucks county, pennsylvania. i am glad you are here. thank you for joining us. this has been called a kind of david versus goliath sort of case. you are going against some pretty huge social media giants, but you say it's worth t tell us why. >> yeah, thanks for having me, laura. and i think you put it exactly right. it is worth it and it's time for someone to step up. these companies may be goliaths, but someone needs to stand up for all of the parents and all the kids that have been suffering for so long. we are on the front lines of a mental health crisis that is impacting our youth more than anyone else, and we have for

years been doing what we can to keep up. providing mental health services, providing services to families, and this whole time the taxpayers have been footing the bill. the more we read about what these companies have been up to, how they targeted our kids and the more we realize we have the ability to do something about it, this is exactly the time for us to stand up on behalf of the people of bucks county and demand better from these companies. that's why we brought this lawsuit. >> in some respects you have been comparing it to a discussion on people viewed big tobacco, the idea of the impact on children, the idea how it's marketed to, the idea of how we have shifted our perspective on marketing practices, on perhaps algorithms and the like. you draw this comparison. how is this being received in your community? . >> i think a lot of people get it. for a long time we have understood and i should say at the beginning, i mean, i am the county solicitor of bucks

county. more importantly, first, i'm a dad. i have two boys who are 8 and 11. they are at that age where they have been getting curious about these platforms because that's what their friends are doing. as parents we are struggling to limit screen time to tell our kids how to navigate this world that's very different than what we grew up in. and now we are learning that these companies have been manipulating all of us, especially our kids. and so there is a really powerful drug that is at the heart of this lawsuit. it's not oxycodone or tobacco. it's dopamine. it's right in our own bodies. it's in the brains of our children and this lawsuit is about how these algorithms, these ivrs have been used and created to make money at the expense of our kids. >> you know, both snapchat and google, snapchat saying nothing is more important to us than the well being of our community. we are constantly evaluating how

we continue to make our platform safer, including through new education features and protections. also google responding saying, we have invested heavily in creating safe experiences for children across our platforms and have introduced strong protections and dedicated features to prioritize their well being. what do you make of the idea this introduction of strong protections? you talk about the dopamine effect, the idea that someone is having a pavlovian response or excited by what they are seeing and it continues a cycle of wantwant to do it again and again and again. are there protections and regulations in place that are helping to feel that the mental health of the children in the community is being considered? >> well, i hope they are putting protections in place, but with the lawsuit, what it talks about is complete failure to do that and profiting off of the fact that our kids are being exploited. i really hope that these companies are serious when they say these things to the public. but first we want to see what they are saying behind closed

doors. we want the emails, the records. that's the kind of information we are going to get about because of the lawsuit because we go through discovery. when we get to demand those documents. that's what this lawsuit is. it's a demand that these companies do better. when we took on the opioid companies before there was a settlement, even before there were even talks about it, some of those companies started to change their behavior. we saw purdue pharma starting on their own to stop marketing opioids to doctors offices because of the pressure of that lawsuit. so this is going to be a long road ahead but it's an important first step and we are proud to lead this fight. >> we will be following this lawsuit. thank you so much. i expect other counties in every city and state in the country is looking at this as well. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. our panel back with us right now. i wonder what is your reaction to what we are hearing. we have heard a lot about the effects of algorithms, from whistleblowers on capitol hill, for example, talking about social media and the impact on our young people, particularly

our young people, particularly young girls, although increasingly so young boys. the idea though that we as a nation are on one hand addicted it to social media and the other that we are concerned about well being. this is a cost benefit happening in this country right now. what do you say? >> i am a little torn. i say this partially as a parent with young children who i'm sure when i left for the studio tonight were probably sitting on youtube at some point watching things on their tablets. this is not an easily solved issue through a piece of litigation. i think this is worthwhile venture they are taking. i think the discovery will be particularly illuminating in terms of how the algorithm is set up to which is specifically is targeting younger individuals, being manipulated in violation of state laws. that's worthwhile to explore to make sure that's not being abused. you think about the lawsuits against big tobacco in the day and what came out of that wasn't that big tobacco went anywhere. cigarettes are still everywhere. but there was increased funds

towards education. there was more safety measures put in place to try to avoid it being sold to minors. that's going to be what i think is truly what comes out of this, is there is going to be greater continued funding towards mental health and how younger individuals, particularly under 13, are able to access these social media platforms. there will be potentially greater reform in terms of how the algorithms are set up in overseeing to ensure these social media companies don't abuse it, abuse that trust. >> this is not a -- you also have seattle public schools bringing case, san mateo county looking at the issues. as you talk about, the illumination here. big tobacco, the internal memos had their lobbyists who were once, you know, unbelievably unstoppable on their back heels trying to figure out how to explain the new pr problem. increasingly so we see this. what do you say? >> i think? an example where technology has gotten ahead of public policy and the law. we joke about the age of congress.

most of these folks are not on tablets, on their phones, i don't know if they are on tiktok. maybe on tiktok, but are they son snapchat. so i think that is part of it as well, where -- and i think -- and certainly the technology companies, some of these companies have manipulated that point, that fact. the fact that -- and they kind of throw a bone here and there to do a little bit of self-regulation, but they know. i mean, we heard from whistleblowers. we heard from time to time that there was knowledge internally. if you think about a teenager in particular, you are the most vulnerable in terms of your sense of self. that's when you are trying to development -- from a developmental perspective. your sense of belonging. i mean, so it preys on some of the worst parts of being a teenager, which i remember well and it was miserable. so i hope it does mean regulation and i hope it means we get more educated about the impacts that social media is having. >> you talk about the pacing of technology.

i think about we as a nation, sadly, are still catching up with what we know to be the right thing, which mental health. we value physical health far more than mental health. we are catching up slowly but surely. the members of the senate in particular being very vocal about what they are experiencing. but it's raising new questions about whether legislatively orlytigeously the mental health component may be an impediment. >> we are facing a challenge which is once every 600 years. this is bigger than big tobacco because we haven't had a change in information technology like this since the printing press came on. that disrupted all the centers of power. the little monday tears of power in that time. one of those institutions is our parents, parents and family. it's a challenge for everybody who has kids to handle this. i think the litigation is part of the answer because it does

force transparency and mental health is part of it. the bigger issue is how do we rebuild social connection when this big technology revolution is undermining all those connective relationships and institutions. >> there have to be guardrails in society. i think this lawsuit sets up that outside the american family unit. i believe in individual responsibility and that's why i have committed to not giving my kids smartphones until they are in eighth grade. when i deem appropriate they can have access to social media platforms. i myself in my early 20s endured a form of bullying on facebook and deacted my facebook in 2011. never activated it since. this is personal for me because a woman in her younger 20s went through that. i know what this is doing to today's younger women and those younger women right now who are on a downward spiral going through anxiety and depression because much social media and what it's doing to their i brains will be in the work force soon as young professionals. what are we doing here in american society allowing these

people to go into workplaces with huge mental health issues and where are the people that care? it's not private companies. i am all for them innovating and earning profits and pushing out new products for us to enjoy. this isn't funny. this isn't entertainment when our children are literally suffering. as a mother of three daughters i am balancing the fact that i am excited and terrified by web three. it's not that there is a fear of the unknown. i know that as somebody who surfed craigslist and my space and has live friends from that 20 years ago there is no way to stop it the way we could when we were in the '90s. i'm encouraged by the lawsuit. >> thank you for sharing that. everyone, during the last few years we have seen just how contentious community meetings can get. sometimes so hostile that officials have tried to rein in the ran core. in massachusetts the top court is upholding the right to be rude at public meetings. we will talk about that next. first, everyone, cnn's

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now i want to turn it over to our friend at hbo. each friday after "real time with bill maher" bill and his guests answer viewer questions and bring a unique perspective to topics driving the national conversation. we are thrilled to bring you this lively discussion first every friday night. so here is "overtime with bill maher." [ cheers and applause ] >> hello, cnn. it's me again. i am here with the panel today.

andrew yang and representative alyssa slack ton. okay. should there be the first question, a primary for vice president? oh, and we are going back to the beginning of the republic when we were -- at the beginning. the vice president wasn't a dude who ran with the guy? >> no, whoever came in second place. >> can you imagine? [ applause ] >> yeah. but i said during the show that i thought that there should be a competitive primary in the democratic party, which i do. if joe were to run again, i think there should abprimary for who his running mate should be because the fact is that person could wind up stepping into his shoes and the people should have a say. [ applause ] >> you down with that? no? you don't care?

[ laughter ] >> it's not gonna happen, so why waste political capital? >> i don't think it should be because i think as a candidate that's your first choice as a possible president. that shows a lot. >> so are you with him? >> no, i don't think so. it's the first choice of the upcoming president. >> okay. what does the panel think of the new upgrades to chatgpt? oh, you must have -- now, this is not just -- chatgpt is very recent itself and now they found a way to make something we all find creepy even creepier. there any benefit to this technology getting more advanced? >> well, it can write college essays in about 30 seconds. so if that's too slow for you, you can turn it up and get it done in 10 or 15 seconds. in all seriousness, i have friends who run firms and they are saying in private, look, i am going to let go of 40% of my staff because i can now get more done with fewer people. that's happening to a lot of

repetitive white collar jobs. 44% of u.s. jobs are repetitive manual or cognitive. the cognitive might be the first to go. >> this is also at a moment when we cannot get enough people to work in the jobs that we have. while we may be trending that direction, we have a massive problem getting our current jobs filled. i don't feel -- >> you are right. they are happening at the same time. the fact is the labor force has shrunken by 2.5 million american workers post-covid. we are trying to get them back and simultaneously this tech comes in and wipes out -- 2 million americans work in call centers making 17 bucks an hour. how long do you think that will last? >> i don't know. you're the expert. [ laughter ] >> that's why i have a panel. >> people know that -- >> i can't answer those questions. >> that is probably automatable today. >> i just read the questions. was the online criticism of

musician t ems oscar dress which obstructed the view -- i saw that picture -- fair? if you didn't see this, yes, somebody had on a big white ruffled thing and all like five people behind her were like -- the oscars, what do you think? >> i feel like the actress should probably answer that. >> yeah, i haven't acted in years. it was a little extreme but i don't think it calls for an over "time" question. there are bigger things in life to deal with now. [ cheers and applause ] >> thank you. >> i thought it was not right. [ laughter ] >> enough said. >> somebody -- purposely wear somebody you know you will be in an audience and people behind you? we don't think -- >> is she should have been able to do what she wants on the car t pet and collapse that thing down and put it in a thing. [ cheers and applause ] >> my son says also the stylist

knew that we'll be talking about it. it was attention. exactly. >> again. >> you fell into the trap. >> i'm just reading. that's the -- this is what this game show is. i just read the questions from the people. it's so interesting to know what the people are thinking of. >> and what they want. >> right. and that is important. this is for you. how can people distinguish legitimate criticism of israel and antisemitism? >> great question. okay. so anti-ziism is antisemitism. thank you so much. [ cheers and applause ] >> and i tell you what the difference is. there is nothing wrong with criticizing the israeli government. the judicial overhaul is extreme. nothing wrong with criticizing policies, politicians, west bank, whatever you want. if you are trying to dismantle the jewish state, the existence of the state of israel, that's where the line is drawn. sadly, there are a lot of people

criticizing israel and that's totally fine and a lot say it's not a legitimate country and that is unacceptable. [ applause ] >> okay. >> do you agree? >> yeah, i mean, on the other side of the coin it's not antisemitism if you care deeply about the state of the palestinian affairs, if you care about people, that's not antisemitism. i mean, and i think that sometimes people go too far and say any criticism of israel is antisemitism. every concern about the palestinians is antisemitism and that's also b.s. >> 100%. [ applause ] >> politicians. you are so political. the governor signing a bill that bans abortion clinics by the end of the year. is abortion under threat nationwide? well, duh. i mean. >> yes, i say a big yes. >> so this is actually closing -- you know, i mean -- well, and also this week i see there is a federal judge in texas who is looking to somehow

rig it so you can't get the abortion pill. >> medication, yeah. >> not just in texas, but -- >> nationwide. >> nationwide. >> i don't understand how that would work. the fact that they are trying it is a little scary. >> yeah. i think we should all be very, very clear that the right to have an abortion in the united states is deeply, deeply under threat. they overturned roe already and already in 32 states in the country it's very, very hard if not impossible to get an abortion and the constant onslaught now on medication. even in a state like michigan where we voted as a state to allow abortion to continue under roe standards is going to potentially threaten our ability for a cvs or a walgreens or whatever to prescribe the medication that many, many women use safely prescribed by their doctor. it is deeply disturbing and everyone should be involved in this if you care about this issue. [ applause ] >> what do you say when you talk to people who are -- i mean, there is a lot of laws we

mentioned in the editorial. there is something like 25% of democrats are still pro-life. >> my district is pro-life. >> your district is pro-life? >> yeah. and this is how you know the country has shifted and people are thinking differently, particularly pro-life women. they will pull me aside in an event and say i am pro-life, i am deeply catholic or this is something i feel in my faith. i could never have an abortion, advise my children to have an abortion but i have never walked in another woman's shoes and would tell her how to live her life. that's all we are asking for. [ applause ] >> the vast majority of americans can find common ground even outside of their own personal beliefs. it's our dysfunctional political system whipsawing us towards one e extreme or the other. it's having terrible consequences around the country for women's rights. >> by the way, in israel abortion is paid for by the government. >> and a religious state. >> religion believes in judaism

life begins at first breath, whether you are into religion or not. >> i am into breath. [ laughter ] >> i get that point. what does the panel think of youtube lifting its ban on donald trump? >> oh, no. [ laughter ] >> you know, i mean -- >> tell us what you really think. >> i mean, so he has been allowed back on meta and twitte and hasn't taken advantage because he is trying to prop up truth social. i think that will change. i think he will arrive on all these platforms and we will all be collectively a little bit dumber for it. [ applause ] >> a banner? >> it's difficult. if you are a social media platform you are like, wait a minute, right now he is the putative frontrunner of one of the two major parties. banning him might consist of actually taking away someone's political speech. that's the bind that the companies have. >> can i say that there is an

interesting supreme court case being heard right now that's going to be decided on whether social media companies can be held accountable for extreme content that appears on their sites. it's actually not about whether donald trump or anyone else gets on facebook or gets on anywhere and says these extreme things. it's whether they have designed algorithms to monetize hate, where they know that stuff is clickbait, they know that extreme content gets nor views, more likes, more advertising dollars so they are monetizing the spread of extremism. that is what the supreme court case is about. i don't know which way they are going. but it's a super interesting case for the future of technology who is responsible, shouldn't be making money off of extreme content. they can't control donald trump but they can control how they make their u their money. >> we will end it there. i don't want cnn late on their next commercial break. thank you, guys. see you next week. [ cheers and applause ]

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on at public meetings is unconstitutional. listen to this exchange. >> it's not easy to be volunteers in town, but breaking the law is breaking the law. >> ma'am, if you want to slander town officials doing their very best -- >> i'm not slandering. >> we are going to stop the public comment session now. >> you need to stop being a hitler. you're a hitler. >> we are moving into recess. thank you. >> the attorney for south bureau criticized the decision saying it warns local officials against enforcing even modest rules of order and decorum at public meetings. john heart, karen finney, bradley moss and rina shaw. the idea of calling one hitler in any capacity very strong words. the first amendment concerns she seemed to raise. what do you say? >> by and large, the court got to right. first amendment gives you a lot of protections.

the first one is the right to be a jerk, including in the public square. look, she wasn't being disruptive. she wasn't being violent. she wasn't hurling expletives at them. she made a stupid comment. she is like every other local crank at local town halls all the time. they run their mouth, go back to what they were doing and the officials go back to doing their business. you can't enforce you will be polite at all times code. sorry. >> in congress and courtrooms we have civility and decorum. sorry. >> that's where you shut it down. that's what the gavel is for, brother. she is out of order or say you have been heard. they are other ways to handle it. the issue here is it's one thing freedom of speech. what we know is that to my mind goes up to when it becomes inciting violence, we end up with january 6th or like the attack on paul pelosi. that was not what this was. so i agree. first amendment.

>> yeah, the first amendment trumps niceness. that's the virtue that the founders wanted to protect. there is good conflict and bad conflict. we know what bad conflict is. we need good conflict in the political system, the collision of ideas because that produces the building blocks of solutions. at a super collider, the building blocks of matter, we need that because that helps us compromise and come to peaceful solutions. >> i nodded along because i wanted to be smart about -- >> go ahead. >> we are a society desperately in need of more civility. that's it. bottom line. if we can't enforce certain rules around behavior, we are no better than the pack of animals that the movie the "lion king." i think about that behavior, right? tone and how people present themselves in certain public forums is important. then i look at the ruling from the massachusetts supreme court and i think they got it right and wrong. i care about free speech, but

also calling somebody a hitler there is a came of telephone played in a town. isn't that slander? so i think in essence, yeah, i'm happy that they are like, look, let free speech be free speech, but i am deeply concerned about certain language and behavior leading to political violence because we live in that era where it goes quickly. >> what do you say about the slander comment? >> it wasn't slander. it's a disgusting, stupid opinion. it's a horrible argument. she is a local crank. you are allowed to be the local crank. >> hitler? >> i am jewish. it didn't offend me. call me whatever you want. >> but slander is essentially something saying untruthful to diminish reputation in the community. >> it's an opinionated argumentative comment. it would go nowhere in a court of law which is part of why it went this way. if you look at the ruling, a lengthy supreme court ruling in massachusetts on this one. most of the regulations were upheld. it was this specific part that was overly broad.

it's just going too far. >> you know, we look at this and think about not only the anonymity of social media and what is happening on those wave lengths all the time, but also not in a vacuum. we see what happens in school board meetings, in public hearings across the country for a whole host of issues. we will see what happens next in those instances. we'll be right back in just a moment. ♪ ♪ no two dreams are the same. but there is one van equipped to handle th all. for over 120 years, meedes-benz vans have been built, upfitted and ready to go. because we believe dreams - should never stay that way.

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