they have taken children from the country they invaded, both said about doing it, even held televised celebrations showing their victims. now russia's president and the official overseeing the forced deportation of thousands of kids from ukraine to russia in her capacity as orwellian

commissioner for children's rights are facing war crimes charges from the international criminal court which has issued warrants for their arrest. >> so is the message today nobody is above the law? >> i think the message must be that basic principles of humanity bind everybody and nobody should feel they have a free pass. >> that is kareem khan, the icc chief prosecutor. we spoke to him at the start of the invasion in ukraine and spoke to him extensively throughout the war on the ukrainian people and their identity. tonight an exclusive interview with him on this history making day along with coverage only as cnn can of the impact of it. first, though, here's what president biden said about the icc's decision to cnn's jeremy diamond. >> i think it's justified, but the question is it's not recognized by us either, but i think it makes a very strong

point. >> let's go to clarissa ward who joins us from the hague. a historic interview for you. >> reporter: historic interview for us and a historic day for the international criminal court, the icc, when we sat down and had an extensive conversation with the chief prosecutor, kareem khan, who said this is the first time that the sitting head of state of a permanent member of the united nations security council has been issued with an arrest warrant by the icc and it's all the more significant because this isn't happening years after the war in ukraine finished. this is happening months after it started. what khan is hoping is that this will really start to set a new precedent to show that the wheels of justice can turn quickly. take a look. this feels like a historic

moment. >> well, i think it is a very important moment, as the president said, that these warrants have been issued and it shows that individuals, whatever their position, however high, don't have a free pass and that the law binds us to some basic principles. i think it is very important for that reason and many others. >> reporter: what is the next step now? >> not to be circulated. states will have to consider whether they can enforce those warrants and continue our investigation as many other crimes in ukraine that we're looking at and we have some other options if the warrants are not complied with regarding applications for confirmation hearing and absence in the future. >> reporter: do you believe it's possible one day we will see russian president vladimir putin in the dock? >> i think those that think

it's impossible fail to understand history because the major nazi war criminals, former president charles taylor, all of them were mighty, powerful individuals and yet they found themselves in courtrooms whose conduct was being adjudicated over by independent judges and that also gives cause for hope that the law can -- however difficult it may be, the law can be supreme. >> reporter: is the message today nobody is above the law? >> i think the message must be that basic principles of humanity bind everybody and nobody should feel they have a free pass. nobody should feel they can act with abandon and definitely nobody should feel that they can act and commit genocide or crimes against humanity, war crimes, with impunity because we have an international criminal court. we also have basic norms of customary and international law

and there's many different flora around the world reducing the scope for impunity and fewer safe havens. i think that's an important lesson we need to render effective. >> reporter: it feels significant that we're talking about this in terms of months and not years. often the feeling is that international law particularly is a sort of slow moving beast. was that very intentional for you to try to start these things, these investigations, moving as quickly as possible with ukraine? >> absolutely. not because it's ukraine. i've been on the defense. i've been representing victims for 30 years. i've been a barrister and international law has been effective in some cases, in many cases, but i think the icc has been pedestrian in some respects and we need to accelerate. that's very important for us if

we feel that the law is for us as prosecutors, as judges, as defense counsel or victims' lawyers and we don't feel the weight of responsibility that there are people in refugee camps or crossing borders with plastic bags with children in arms and grandparents and they're fleeing with fear, we're not fulfilling our responsibilities under the law, but also as members of humanity as well as we should. >> reporter: this is about justice for victims, not about geopolitics. >> absolutely. it must be. the law must be about -- and particularly criminal law, must be about victims and survivors in humanity. >> such an important discussion, such an important moment, clarissa. what has reaction been, though, from the kremlin to these charges? >> reporter: well, perhaps unsurprisingly, john, it has not been positive. we have heard from dmitry peskov who is president putin's

spokesperson. he has said essentially that the warrants are outrageous and unacceptable. we also heard from the spokesperson for the foreign ministry who said they have no meaning because russia is not actually a signator of the icc's roam statute and therefore does not fall under its jurisdiction and we heard from the high commissioner for children of russia who had a sort of sarcastic response saying it's great that the international community appreciates our work. so fairly sardonic, but i think beneath that one can be sure there is an understanding at the very least this is an irritant that certainly will have some concrete impact. whether or not we see president putin in the dock, it's a significant day. >> in theory or on paper, it

limits where putin can go around the world. explain that. >> reporter: so basically there are 123 nation states that do participate with the icc and the roam statute, right? that's about two-thirds of the country in the world. some very big ones do not, not just russia, by the way, china, india, and, of course, the u.s. can president putin still go to the g-20 in india that's upcoming? yes, he can. could he still potentially go to the united nations general assembly in new york city? potentially, yes, he could. also it's important to underscore even to those countries that are signators, that doesn't mean necessarily that they would have to enact those arrest warrants. we saw this in 2017 with south africa when the sundanese dictator visited. there had been an expectation or hope that potentially he would be arrested.

that did not happen. they cited the fact that he was a head of state and they said that south africa has its own laws pertaining to heads of state having diplomatic immunity, but make no bones about it, john. the reality is that president putin's world is shrinking. >> just so people know on this map, the countries in red there are the countries that have signed on. the countries not in red haven't. that does include india, china, russia, the united states, some very big countries not part of it. clarissa, in an address last night, the ukrainian president zelenskyy said, "the day will come when all the perpetrators of war crimes against ukrainians will be brought to justice in the halls of the international criminal court and national court." so how have these charges been received today in ukraine? >> reporter: well, with great positivity unsurprisingly. ukraine is also not one of the signators of the icc and yet they have opened up their country and said that they give

them full jurisdiction to their territory because they understand the importance of having some of these crimes paid attention to. now the chief of staff of the presidency said look, this is an important first step, but it's just a first step. a lot more needs to happen. this isn't one single war crime being investigated. that's something that's also important to emphasize, john, is that the icc is looking into multiple allegations and has multiple investigations going on. this is just the first step. >> we'll talk more about that next hour. clarissa ward, thank you so much because we'll see much more of your interview coming up. this warrant, as we just mentioned and you can see on the map again, in theory narrows vladimir putin's world by roughly two-thirds which might not matter to him as long as the countries he needs either aren't obliged by treaty to arrest him or they come to moscow instead. china falls into both

categories. president xi visits moscow next week. so there's that and plenty more to talk about tonight with fareed zakaria host of "fareed zakaria gps." we just heard what prosecutor khan said, no one gets a free pass. what's your response to these charges? >> it's a very good idea, but people need to understand it's not going to make any difference legally anytime soon. russia is not a signatory to the treaty of rome which establishes the international criminal court. there is no possibility the russians will ever split to this. some people say it means putin won't be able to travel abroad. that's highly unlikely. the president of sudan has been traveling lots of places ever since he was indicted. he was indicted for the crimes in darfur. on the other hand, it's a moral signal and it's a signal that the west is taking this seriously, that a lot of

democratic countries and many nondemocratic countries who are signatories to the court are taking this seriously. so it adds a certain kind of moral pressure, but i think people need to understand the international court is not like a regular court. >> so the united states, what do you think the u.s. connection will be to this? how much will the u.s. help here? >> it's a very good question, john, because the u.s. is not a signatory to the court. generally it's been wary of getting too involved. so in this particular case, the state department wanted to provide american intelligence to the court to help them. the pentagon did not because the pentagon worries that if an american soldier, you know, is taking part in some military action, what if that soldier or that battalion is brought to the court for alleged crimes? so the pentagon has always been much more wary. i think the administration on the whole has decided correctly

that this is a case where the moral pressure it puts on putin and the moral kind of box it puts him in is worth the cost of cooperating. >> it is interesting. there is more nuance from a u.s. perspective than you might expect. let's talk about when this is happening. this is happening days before chinese leader xi jinping will meet with vladimir putin. does this, the fact that putin's been charged with war crimes by the tribunal, will that have any impact on these meetings? >> it won't have much impact, but i think it has an impact on the optics. the chinese are trying to make it out as though this alliance is solid and firm and unyielding. there is a reality of the public atmospherics behind it and the fact that the guy has just been indicted by the international criminal court doesn't help. china is trying to present itself as both neutral and an ally of russia at the same time, neutral when it wants to say they're in favor of peace, they don't want to be taking

sides on this, but on the other hand, they have this alliance. i think it complicates matters for xi. >> you brought up the number one question that we always get with the international criminal court, which is okay, but how are they going to enforce it? what difference is it going to make to vladimir putin's life? do you think there would be a country he wouldn't be able to go to, some conference he wouldn't be able to attend because of this? >> there are probably countries he couldn't go to, but he isn't going to them anytime soon. he's not going to come to the united states anytime soon. i think in a sense it punctuates the reality that the world really has been divided and that russia is really isolated. i don't think you're going to see putin, you know, at conferences in western european countries or european capitals anymore. i don't think he's going to come to the united states. i think things were moving that

direction anyway, but this kind of puts a mark on it. is it possible he could go to india? yes. go to china? for sure. >> maybe it draws moral lines even if there aren't physical barriers to him in the future. great to see you. thanks so much. >> pleasure. stay tuned. we'll have much more on this the top of the next hour, more from clarissa ward's exclusive interview with kareem khan and a closer look at the kremlin official who runs this child abduction program and a conversation with the yale researcher whose team documented it all, that and more in a special hour of "360" tonight at 9:00 eastern. next up, a bombshell in the trump documents case, a judge ordering one of the former president's attorneys, this guy, to testify taking an incredibly rare step of denying him attorney/client privilege under the crime fraud exemption, all the details on that. and later new reporting on how tiktok could have access to your data even if you never

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exemption to it -- exception i should say meaning prosecutors were able to show to judge howell's satisfaction corcoran's discussion with the former president might have been part of an ongoing or future crime. there's also this just into cnn. cnn's john miller has learned law enforcement agencies in new york are preparing how to handle a possible indictment of the former president next week. sources tell john the discussions have been about how to navigate the potential indictment by a manhattan grand jury and how to handle his surrender, fingerprinting, mugshots, and arraignment. perspective now from cnn's kaitlin collins who helped break the federal stories and senior political correspondent maggie haberman, adam kinzinger. what more are you learning

about the conversations prosecutors want to ask about? >> they want to be able to work around attorney/client privilege. they've spoken to evan corcoran before, but why they made the case for this exception is they wanted to be able to ask him questions and not have him constantly be able to cite attorney/client privilege. they have been bracing for this decision today and the judge notified them essentially via this order saying she does believe investigators have met the threshold for this fraud crime exception, which means essentially prosecutors can work around attorney/client privilege if they believe that that attorney has used their legal advice or legal services in furtherance of a crime for their client, in this case obviously trump. >> questions about what specifically and are there limits? >> there could be limits. we don't know the full scope of this. they haven't gotten the full order. evan corcoran and his legal

team will likely get that next week. we may see them respond before then, but obviously one of the assumptions would be they want to talk about his conversations he had with trump about these documents because he's been involved in this since last may when this was all going down with the negotiations with the justice department. this is still really significant, though. they don't actually know how this is going to end up. >> counselor, to pierce attorney/client privilege is a thing. how hard of a thing is it? what does a judge have to determine to allow these types of questions now to be asked? >> it's both difficult and very rare to convince a judge to pierce through attorney/client privilege. i was a prosecutor 14 years. i only ever did this one time successfully. you have to go to a judge and show by a preponderance of the evidence, meaning it's more likely than not, that these conversations between the attorney, here evan corcoran, and the client, donald trump,

were in furtherance of some ongoing crime and the fact prosecutors were able to make that showing and a respected federal judge agrees with that i think is a monumental decision and opens the door for prosecutors to get that testimony. >> maggie, that brings you into the conversation here. just remind us exactly where evan corcoran fits in this key timeline and also just where he if it's in trump world because he's not a name we've known since 2015? >> it's a really good question. evan corcoran was introduced into trump world by boris epstein when is a trump sort of universal adviser on legal and on politics last spring when this issue was starting to heat up. evan corcoran was present when justice department officials came to mar-a-lago june 5th after this grand jury subpoena had been issued for any outstanding mar-a-lago documents. evan corcoran drafted a statement for another lawyer that said it wasn't just giving

back the classified documents, but a diligent search has been done for everything else. that was a big piece the justice department zeroed in on because two months later they discovered it wasn't true. we also know one conversation prosecutors are interested in hearing about is a call evan corcoran had with trump the day there was a subpoena for security camera footage at mar- a-lago. we don't know whether they have reason to wonder about that or they can see a conversation took place because of phone records, but evan corcoran is in an unusual position in trump world. he's not especially close to trump. he was very aggressive for a while and suddenly started receding as this issue pressed forward. what is so unusual here that's really important to remember, these lawyers who are under scrutiny themselves are still involved in defending these cases that trump is very enmeshed in. >> it is an odd, odd thing. congressman, often for the last several years when something like this happens, people say well, how will trump's base

react to this? i'm not sure that's a relevant question anymore. we've been asking it so long. i'm curious about there are people running against him now or about to run against him for president. so what goes on in these campaign headquarters with these other candidates? how did they look at all these things going on? >> they look at it, john, with absolute fear like hopefully this is the candidate speaking. hopefully organically this will affect donald trump, but if i attack him, i'm going to tick off his base, anger them. so i might kind of do the old what's this case you're speaking of? i've never heard of it. i think that's one way. there is a lane for somebody, whether it's like a nikki haley or, frankly, mike pence has been kind of stepping up in that area to put that all together and say look, it's not just abandoning ukraine. it's the lawlessness issue and then there's the raw politics

do you think an indicted former president can be elected again? i do think this will rile up trump's base. he's good at being a professional victim, but i think it may kind of hurt him around the edges as people are fatigued. >> two quick mopup questions on this case. number one, evan corcoran, does he have to testify or can he take the fifth? and number two, trump's attorneys say it shows they have a weak case having to go with attorney/client privilege. is that accurate? >> he can take the fifth and prosecutors can counter move by giving him immunity meaning you have to testify, but we won't use it against you. on the second point, i think trump's lawyers have it backwards. i think it's a sign of strength. you only do this as a prosecutor if you're confident you can make this showing and as i said, it's a very rare thing for prosecutors to do and

they did it successfully. >> maggie and kaitlin, what could happen soon? alvin bragg could get indictments for donald trump on the stormy daniels matter. what's going on inside trump world? do they appreciate the significance of this, perhaps being under indictment within days? >> yes, they do appreciate the significance of it. i think it crept up on them a bit and despite the fact this has been telegraphed for such a long time this might happen, from their perspective, trump has been under investigation for a number of years. it didn't materialize into anything. it didn't materialize primarily because he was a sitting president. put that aside, they are prepared for it. it's not clear to me how prepared they are in the legal front. they are very much preparing on the political front to suggest this is of the cases, the weakest of them. i want to note when people call this a weak case, they don't

know what the evidence is. we don't either. it is a more trivial case i think is the argument people make by comparison to the other investigations trump is facing. prosecutors make the argument the law is the law. trump folks try to paint this as pardon of a broader conspiracy by democrats suggesting this is about helping joe biden. i think you'll see that immediately. >> trump has been watching closely have talked about how they don't believe it's a slam dunk for prosecutors and it will be quite a difficult case. you've heard legal experts say they're kind of surprised if they move forward with the indictment, which we all pretty much expect at this point, they are surprised they would take that step because of the risk of what happens if they aren't successful, if prosecutors go this far and take this unprecedented step of indicting a former president. >> what a reporting and analytical team this friday night, thank you all so much. coming up, a new report

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justice department is investigating the chinese company that owns tiktok after allegations that it was being used to spy on u.s. citizens, including journalists who cover the tech industry. if true, it's another major development in an already tense standoff after the biden administration this week threatened to ban the popular social media app in the u.s. due to security and privacy issues. already the app is banned on government devices in the u.s., europe, and dozens of u.s. states. there's also a new report tonight that tiktok may have access to your data even if you've never used the app. we'll have much more on that in a moment. first let's go to cnn tech reporter brian fung on the justice department reports. what can you tell us? >> reporter: this goes back to a spying incident we learned about in december when forbes broke the news a number of journalist had been spied on by bytedance employees, bytedance being the parent company of tiktok, and tiktok later confirmed this to news outlets,

including cnn, saying bytedance had fired several employees who had been involved in improper data access. now it appears through this report from forbes and "the new york times" that the justice department is investigating to see whether or not there may be more to this story and we're seeing here this is just adding to the concerns the u.s. government has about tiktok and whether or not it poses a national security threat to the united states. >> tiktok's parent company did admit to accessing the data. what are they saying about this now? >> mainly they're reiterating their earlier position. i'll read you a bit of a statement from bytedance we got earlier tonight. "we have strongly condemned the actions of the individuals to be involved and they are no longer employed at bytedance. our internal investigation is

ongoing and we will cooperate when things are brought to us." it's too early to say where this will all lead. >> how soon could u.s. lawmakers get a chance to talk to tiktok executives directly? >> he's expected to testify before the house energy and commerce committee next thursday. lawmakers will have an opportunity to ask the ceo some questions about not just national security concerns, but also about how tiktok may impact teen mental health, for instance, which has been a major, major issue of discussion in the united states. >> brian fung, thank you very much. i'm joined you by the ceo of root security that published that new report that said tiktok could have your data even if you've never used it, also even if you deleted the app, it can still collect your data. ivan, what more can you tell us

about this report? >> thank you. what we found out is how common tools like pixels and trackers that companies like tiktok owned by bytedance are across the websites we use on a day-to- day basis. >> the idea people who have never used tiktok could be affected by this, i have never used tiktok, but they could be getting my stuff? >> yes. that's exactly correct. first of all, what is pixels? you know that giant spy balloon shot out of the sky? pixels are like tiny spy balloons when you hook it up, it logs into your bank account. you may never had a tiktok account or used the app yourself, but tiktok can still have your data and does collect your data across the sites we use on a day-to-day basis. >> so u.s. lawmakers and others have said delete tiktok if you have it. delete it. is that enough? >> in my personal opinion, i

don't think it's enough because they collect data on the websites that we all use, not just from the mobile app on your phone. if you delete the app and never use it ever again, it will still see you typing in the form when you book an appointment or sign up for a mortgage. >> is there anything you can do? >> great question. so one discussion is having about change of ownership, i don't think change of ownership can change it. what is really making a difference is integrity. it's people who have access to the data who have control over the data who can make decisions. so i think it's about having people who are as valid and trusted as people who work for the pentagon. >> a tiktok spokesperson told us, "like other platforms, data we receive from advertisers is used to improve the effectiveness of our advertising services.

our terms instruct advertisers not to share certain data with us and we continually work with our partners to avoid inadvertent transmission of such data." so what are the chances these trackers are inadvertent transmission of data? >> it is pretty common. we saw it -- what was really surprising is we set out to actually establish a baseline. what we do, we help companies insure the data they collect goes only to the intended places and servers and countries. so what we set out and found is pixels broadly operated by many companies, not just tiktok, they do collect a lot of information companies are not aware of like emails, addresses, your home address, dates of birth, everything you can possibly share on the website. >> thanks so much for scaring us this friday night. i appreciate your time. so a very unwelcome investigator has arrived in florida, a humungous, smelly, and potentially toxic so-called blob of seaweed that stretches for thousands of miles across

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that smell, it could be what we've all been calling for days now the blob or the blobs, but cnn's leyla santiago reports the first thing she learned, whatever you do, don't call this blob-like mass of blobbish stuff floating in the great big blobs up to 60 miles in the ocean a blob. >> it's thick. in the summertime builds up and smells terrible. >> reporter: joe kaplan captured these images about a week ago on this beach he walks several times a week. >> i was shocked when i saw it that day where it wasn't even spring yet, still winter, which is very unusual. >> this is about a 5,000-mile long -- >> reporter: professor shallman who is one of the leading experts on what many have referred to as a massive blob of seaweed heading to florida's coast. fair to call it a blob? >> no. >> reporter: okay. >> i'll never call that a blob.

>> reporter: okay. why? >> because it's not. >> reporter: satellite images he says show it's not one massive body of seaweed, rather a bunch of patchy clutches traveling from west africa called the atlantic sargassum belt and is considered a natural phenomenon. right now it's twice the width of the u.s. carrying 6 million tons of seaweed and headed to the east coast. >> in june of this year it may turn into 20 million tons. >> reporter: let me get this straight. this is what we're seeing the last month, is 6 million tons and it's going to get bigger? >> yes. there's no way to stop that. this is nature. it's like no one can stop a hurricane. >> reporter: should we be worried about that? >> no. >> reporter: why? >> reason is sargassum is nontoxic. >> reporter: but it smells pretty bad and it's a nuisance for those trying to keep beaches clean to attract tourists. a few years ago here's what it looked like in mexico. officials inmonroe county, which includes the florida keys, have set aside more than

$200,000 to clean and remove sargassum from its beaches. >> seaweed is a mixed blessing. we need it. it's a nursery for all these large fish. the negative side is if it comes in the concentrations that are believed we'll see, our fishing rounds will be completely covered. there's almost no point to fishing because we'll spend the entire day cleaning weed off our lines. >> reporter: as the sargassum belt heads towards florida, another natural phenomenon is hitting its beaches on the west coast, red tide. it can be toxic, kill fish, and cause respiratory issues. this year's red tide's concerns were enough to cancel one event at indian rocks where one family told us -- >> as soon as we got out of the car, we started coughing. >> reporter: but for spring breakers like this group from iowa, the concerns of massive amounts of seaweed or red tide were not enough to change vacation plans.

tourists noting friends back home -- >> they'd be pretty jealous regardless of the red tide symptoms that we're here and they're not. >> reporter: because the pristine beaches of the sunshine state are hard to resist for many despite what may be looming offshore. >> leyla santiago joins us now. what can you tell us about where this not blob of seaweed is headed now? where is it going? >> reporter: listen, right now that same scientist who said don't call this a blob said it is really hard to forecast. in fact, he says they can't forecast this because this is something that kind of popped up in the tropical atlantic in 2011. they still need more research to be able to forecast it, but they do understand its movement, sort of how it moves and where it goes. that's why right now they want to be able to forecast it like a hurricane. if you think about this like a hurricane, what we're seeing now are kind of the outer bands of this massive not blob that's

coming in. although this is normal, what we're seeing here is a mix of stuff. if you look really closely, i can pull out some of this. this right here is the actual sargassum, but again, it's mixed in with a lot of the stuff that comes in. i got to tell you i was just having a conversation with one gentleman with that works with weddings here. he was really concerned about what's to come because he said, "last weekend i spent all this time cleaning up this beach to make the wedding look nice," and he was afraid what will come next. >> they do say a seaweed blob invasion at a wedding is supposed to be good luck for the marriage. >> reporter: is that what they say? >> stay safe. appreciate your reporting. if you filled out a bracket for the ncaa men's basketball tournament, my condolences. only the second day of the tournament and millions of brackets are busted.

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busted than bank stocks this week are people's ncaa brackets. another upset today in the men's college basketball championship tournament. number 11 beat number 6, iowa state -- i'm sorry, christine romans. that comes one day after the tournament began with huge upsets including princeton beating number 2 seed arizona. finally these ivy league kids catching a break. that lay waste to millions of brackets. our senior data reporter harry enten joins us with the latest on the carnage. you know, harry, how many brackets were wiped out here? >> i mean, based on princeton losing -- princeton winning, excuse me, and fuhrman winning, less than a million people had those two teams in combo winning. we are now talking about in terms of the perfect brackets in the country less than 50. less than 50 out of tens of millions of brackets are currently still perfect. and we're keeping an eye on this purdue game, who's the number 1 seed. john has it up on his computer right now. purdue is trailing by three. and if that goes then you have a

number 1 seed going down. my goodness gracious. and this is the reason why, mr. berman, that the chance of getting a perfect bracket is like 1 in 9 quintillion, which is 18 zeros. >> i'm told they're down by five. but i'm not watching that. i'm paying very close attention to you, harry and the rest of the news. now it's a two-point game. giving you the running play by play here. >> thank you. >> i'm not sure the legalities of all of that. harry, just because, though, you've got a busted bracket, right? it's not all bad news, right? >> right. it's not all bad news. the thing to keep in mind of course is the way these brackets work is that the games in the later rounds count for more. so let's just say oh, a number 4 lost to a number 13 and you had that number 4 winning. as long as you didn't have that number 4 going to the final four, you're in pretty good shape because essentially what it is, each round is worth the same amount of points but if there are more games in a particular round each individual game is worth significantly less when there's like, say, 16 games in a round versus when there are, say, two games in a round.

so the key thing here, john, is that you want your final four to be intact. of course the big question is after all these upsets will people's final fours actually be intact? >> just to be clear, you said fewer than 50 people in all of america right now have their pools intact? >> less than 50 people in america. i was looking at espn. it was less than 30. i was looking at the ncaa's website, it was less than 30 there. when you combine it all together there was less than 50. now, maybe there's someone who's betting with their friend right out on the side, and we don't know if that particular person has a perfect bracket. but in terms of the official brackets, the one and i keep a count on, the one that maybe the guinness book of world records would keep an eye on, there's less than 50. >> not the cnn bracket which i wasn't involved to participate in this year. >> i weaponsn't involved to participate in either. >> that's neither here nor there. not invited. just saying. but there are brackets i did do and our final fours are still okay. >> eh. >> okay for another minute. >> yeah, okay for maybe another minute. if you look at our final fours, we each have purdue in there.

my question to you, mr. berman, is what is going on with your alabama fetish here? both auburn and alabama in there. and why with gonzaga -- what is it with you and chris wallace, you both pick gonzaga the one year they're not a number 1 seed and every single year i pick gonzaga they seem to lose. what is the deal here? do you just love john stockton? >> truth be told my son filled out my entire bracket for me. >> oh, so you're cheating. >> but i think he's a big kaitlan collins fan. i think that's why he put alabama and auburn. the alabama centric -- gonzaga, it's got a nice name. >> i will say my -- i have a family member that lives down in alabama. i also have alabama in my final four. so i'm a big fan of alabama but auburn being an 8 seed that be would be quite the thing if auburn was able to advance. but then again i guess we wouldn't necessarily have thought that fairly dickinson university might be with the potential upset over purdue. >> and just to be clear, fdu is a 16 seed. purdue is a 1 seed. only once in the history of history -- >> correct.

>> -- has that happened. >> umbc back in 2018 beat uva by 20 points. that was the biggest shocker. the only other time that really came close was princeton back i believe in 1989 against georgetown. that was a very close match-up. they only lost by a point in that one. but this would be the second time in history. >> isn't wichita state the shocker -- i digress. harry, thank you very much for being with us. best of luck to you. >> i'm going to need it after this purdue game. >> all right. that wraps up our hour. coming up, we're devoting an entire hour to the historic war crimes warrant issued by the international criminal court for vladimir putin. that includes more of clarissa ward's exclusive interview with the icc's chief prosecutor, karim khan, and why he decided to pursue allegations involving the abduction of children from ukraine rather than the attacks on civilians or the atrocities in bucha. ♪ ♪ a feeling this powerful is invite only.

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