(avo) ask your doctor about once-weekly mounjaro. john berman here in for anderson. and this is a special live coverage of today's historic decision by the international criminal court to issue arrest warrants on war crimes charges for russian president vladimir putin and his deputy who runs russia's program of taking children from ukraine. thousands of them. to russia for indoctrination and in some cases adoption by russian families. today cnn's clarissa ward got this exclusive interview with

karim khan, the icc's chief prosecutor. she joins us from the hague. cnn's matthew chance is monitoring russian reaction. he joins us as well as does cnn's ivan watson from ukraine. this is a story he and "360" have been reporting on extensively. we start things off with carissa ward and her interview at the hague. carissa. >> reporter: john, well, karim khan was keen to tell us that this is really just the first step in what promises to be a long journey. the arrest warrants that were given out today for president putin and also for the russia high commissioner for children maria l vova-belova, these are just the first two essentially. there may be more coming. there may be other areas that they will be exploring. there is no shortage of alleged war crimes that have taken place in ukraine. the prosecutor's office here from the icc have made multiple trips to ukraine.

but they were keen really to stress the importance of this historic day. take a look. >> there are many different war crimes or potential war crimes that we've seen playing out in ukraine, whether it's the bombing of the theater in mariupol where people were sheltering, civilians were sheltering. whether it's the atrocities of bucha. why did you decide tpursue this line of prosecution first? >> you're absolutely right, firstly. i stated when i was outside st. andrew's church in bucha about a year ago, just less than a year ago, that ukraine is a crime scene. and there's many terrible allegations that have been received and we're analyzing them and reviewing them. but before my election as prosecutor, before i started in june of 2021, i also identified that crimes against or crimes affecting children are underinvestigated and underreported. and this is why when you look at

the factual matrix, the actual evidence we received, it was only right and appropriate to focus on the most vulnerable parts of our society, which are children. >> we understand that ms. lvova-belova is the russian commissioner for children. she's been very vocal and visible in her role. how did you take the next step also in terms of pushing for the prosecution of president putin himself? and how unusual is that? >> well, i've said repeatedly over the last year that we don't start with targets. we start with the evidence. we investigate incriminating and exonerating evidence equally. we want to find the truth. we are statutorily required to get to the truth. we as i said started looking at a range of a wide spectrum of allegations. but the evidence was quite clear because what has been said publicly from those individuals, what has become available from publicly available sources and also the result of our direct

investigations, ourselves, cooperation with other states and also ukraine, that these crimes appear to have been committed. and one follows the evidence. and the simple reality is these crimes have not been hidden. it's the first time in history any head of state of the five permanent members of the security council has had a warrant of arrest issued by independent and impartial judges. it shouldn't give us any celebration. it's a matter of real regret that we've had to do this. the evidence compelled us to move in this manner. >> it's a historic moment certainly. but will we ever see president putin in the dock? >> well, the president of the court made it very clear our job is to independently and impartially without any political motivations or agendas look at -- apply the law to the facts. the facts that have been verified, that have been independently collected and rigorously analyzed. it's for others to decide

whether or not arrest opportunities are available and if so to enforce them. the first is many thought it was impossible that powerful leaders like former president milosevic or former president charles taylor, ka radic, medallic, jean kabando of rwanda. kusuf pan of cambodia. the list goes on. habri. would ever be subjected to the rule of law. and yet they were. some of them are in custody. >> clarissa ward is back with us. no expectation obviously that vladimir putin would surrender or be arrested. so did the icc give you a sense of how it intends to proceed legally? >> well, that's the question, really, john, because the icc can't have a trial of someone in absentia. but what they can do according to prosecutor khan, and again,

this hasn't been done historically but there is legal precedent for it, is what they call a confirmation hearing in absence. and that would essentially allow for the evidence to be preserved in a judicial setting in a timely way, paving the way for some potential future trial. what they have seen traditionally, the icc, is that very rarely do people charged with war crimes actually come to face justice until those wars have reached an end, and whichever side is victorious gets to choose who ends up facing trial at the icc. so what they want to do at least with this possibility of the confirmation hearing is ensure that that evidence is put out there in a timely manner, that victims of these alleged atrocities are able to still have their day in court even if it might be quite some time before you would potentially see

president vladimir putin appearing on trial, though i think for the moment that does seem like a very distant prospect, john. >> clarissa, stay with us. i want to bring in matthew chance and ivan watson. ivan, what has the reaction been from the ukrainian government to these arrest warrants? >> john, the ukrainian government has been applauding this decision, the arrest warrant issued by the international criminal court. according to government statistics, they say that some 16, 256 ukrainian children the government believes have been taken and deported to russia since the start of the russian invasion a bit more than a year ago. take a listen to what the ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy had to say about this, which he calls an historic decision. >> translator: separating children from their families, depriving them of any opportunity to contact their relatives, hiding children in russia, dispersing them to

remote regions, all this is obvious russian state policy, state decisions and state evil. which begins with the first official of the state. >> so you know, another top ukrainian official has just called this a first step. meanwhile, the top prosecutor in the country, he says that he hopes this will make other world leaders think twice about in the future shaking hands with vladimir putin or sitting down at the negotiating table with him, now that he's effectively become a suspected war criminal. well, the icc move is important. it's also important, i think, to understand that the ukrainian judicial system, that police here on the ground, that investigators and prosecutors, that they are also separately actively gathering evidence for their own cases to aaccuse russian military commanders and individual russian soldiers of

alleged war crimes, that after every kind of rocket strike or artillery strike on a ukrainian city or town, after every death of a civilian you have police coming in later if it's at all safe in an area, gathering evidence and putting their own cases together to try to prosecute russian military units. we're probably going to see more of this coming from juchlt the ukrainian judicial system in the months and years ahead. >> so matthew, the kremlin has called these warrants outrageous, but do they actually deny what the warrants accuse? >> no, not at all. you're right. they say it's outrageous and unacceptable that these indictments have been made. but they're actually quite boastful of the fact the ukrainian leadership calls these forceful deportations are taking place because they cast it inside russia as a humanitarian act, what they regard it as is

russia rescuing orphans who have essentially been abandoned inside the war zone and embracing them into the bosom of mother russia, as it were. and actually talking quiept a lot on russian television within the last few days and weeks about how some of them have been adopted. maria lvora-belova herself is said to have adopted a 15-year-old from the city of mariupol. she's also spoken about how they've been reeducated, how many of them said negative things about russia and sang the ukrainian national anthem when they were first taken into russian custody but now they don't do that anymore and they speak much more positively apparently, she says, about russia. and so this is how russia and its officials describe these alleged crimes that president putin has been indicted for. and all this, remember, as these children, thousands of them, have parents in many cases that

are still alive inside ukraine and desperately trying to get their loved ones back. >> you know, clarissa, i think one of the most interesting parts of your discussion with the prosecutor from the icc was about the timing here. these warrants are coming out while the conflict is still going on. how unusual is that? >> it's highly unusual. and it was interesting to hear karim khan was even critical of the icc and said in the past we've been too pedestrian, to use his word. we need to accelerate, there needs to be a sense that the wheels of justice turn in a timely manner. and so as opposed to traditionally where we might be talking about years after a conflict is ended, within a month of the russian invasion khan and his team were already beginning their investigations. and just over a year after the war began you have the first two arrest warrants being issued. and the idea is that this will

continue apace now, that you will see more arrest warrants potentially, more investigations, as all the different allegations that have been made are researched. now, obviously this takes a huge amount of resources, john. right? there is no shortage of war crimes as we've mentioned before taking place in ukraine. in fact, to use khan's own words, he said ukraine is is basically a crime scene. and so there's now an inordinate amount of work that needs to be done to go to try to verify and to build up solid cases in this instance and in future investigations taking place. >> clarissa ward, we're going to have more of your interview coming up. ivan watson, matthew chance, our thanks to both of you. next, more on the woman we've been talking about and the program she runs bringing ukrainian children to russia and erasing their ukrainian identity. and later, my conversation with elena gnes whom "360" viewers

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children's rights. you heard that right. the woman heading up and even boasting about an operation that has already documented to be violating the rights of ukrainian children. more from cnn's melissa bell. >> reporter: she claims to be the savior of ukrainian children. demure, devout, and devoted, she says, to welcoming orphaned or abandoned children of war to the motherland. but this is no humanitarian adoption program. russia's children's rights commissioner is in fact in charge of something far more sinister. according to american and european governments and to a report by yale university, thousands of children have been forcibly deported to russia. although moscow denies it's doing this against their will, some have been taken thousands of miles and several time zones away from ukraine.

>> maria lvova-belova is basically the point person at the kremlin level for this entire program. >> so these children are essentially being held hostage? >> yes. >> reporter: the woman in charge is herself a 38-year-old mother of at least ten, including five adopted children. and her work takes her all the way into the occupied territories. >> translator: this time we came to mariupol itself. we will do everything for the children and teenagers who are here. >> reporter: from lvova-belova's telegram channel to russian propaganda videos the deportations are no secret. yet the children are totally beyond the reach of either their families or ukrainian authorities. >> some of those children are really small. we see on the propaganda video of russia that 7, 6 months, you know, 4 years. those children just do not remember where are they from, who are their parents.

♪ >> reporter: and once across the border there is no contact anyway. some are adopted by russian families. others are taken to what are billed as summer camps. in fact, reeducation centers aimed at turning ukrainian children into russian citizens. >> translator: unfortunately, we see that these children were brought up in a completely different culture and they did not watch the same films our children watched. they did not study history as our children did. >> reporter: but ukrainian lawyers fighting for the return of the children fear that those already adopted may be lost for good. >> during this process of adoption parents can change all personal data. names, surnames, date of birth. and we think that some children that transfer to russia without documents. >> reporter: among those already adopted is a young boy from mariupol by maria lvova-belova herself. at first she says he sang the

ukrainian national anthem. now he's a good boy, as she told vladimir putin himself. >> translator: did you adopt a child from mariupol yourself? >> translator: yes. thanks to you. 15 years old. now i know what it means to be a mother of a child from donbas. it's difficult, but we definitely love each other. >> reporter: melissa bell, cnn. >> and joining us now is nathaniel raymond whom you saw a moment ago in melissa bell's report. he's executive director of yale university's humanitarian research lab. you've worked on this project for a long time. your report was responsible for shining a light on so much of what's been going on in ukraine. so what does this moment mean for you? >> well, john, on one hand i'm still in shock from the announcement of the indictments this morning by the icc. which is a critical first step but only a first step toward justice for the people of

ukraine. on the other hand, i'm thinking about the parents tonight of the children who have yet to come home, and some may not come home. so on one hand i feel hope because of today's indictment. on the other hand, i feel the urgency of trying to get these kids back. >> you mentioned that you're still sort of in shock. did you have any idea this was coming? >> the only thing i knew is what i read in the "new york times" a few days ago. and at that point we thought it could happen. and then this morning i was walking my dogs and my phone went berserk and suddenly it had happened. and so since that point it's really been an effort to get our heads around the fact that what we've been working on is now the subject of an icc indictment. >> so maria lvova-belova, who we saw in that piece right there, she called the icc warrant against her great. >> yes. >> what's your view of her?

who is this woman in your mind? >> maria lvova-belova is basically the center of the command and control of a synchronized, coordinated whole of government operation that has two major parts to it. one is the reeducation camps you mentioned. the other is forced adoption. and you have to understand that this network, and it is a network of camps, stretches as the graphic showed 3,500 miles from the black sea to the pacific. it involves more than 43 facilities. we think that number is significantly higher. >> she sounded proud. >> she is proud. >> today. so do you think that the warrants -- this historic moment, do you think it will do anything to deter her or slow her down? >> every moment that the russians have faced the possibility of accountability for this program they've doubled down. in that video you played there's another clip after it where they talk about a military training facility for 14 to 17-year-old

boys in chechnya and they say this is 48 hours after our report comes out, they say the pilot program has been a success, let's expand it by 2,000 russian ukrainian boys. and so the point is they are probably going to at every turn try to show that they are undeterred. but today the international community showed that we are also undeterred. >> what do you want to see happen to vladimir putin and maria lvova-belova? >> one word, handcuffs. >> what do you think the future is for these ukrainian children who are already in russia? >> i've worked on efforts to identify through dna testing children in guatemala who were separated from their parents during civil wars in the '80s. that process took decades. i don't want to see that here. but we're in as emergency medicine surgeons call the golden hour. and that golden hour is rapidly

slipping away. if we don't get them back now we're going to be talking about dna identification and processes that will take decades. so we have to act now because time is ticking. >> this type of human rights work that you do can be than thankless. i mean, you can get no results for years on certain things. >> like ted williams said about baseball, you know, you fail 60%, 70% of the time if you're doing your job right. >> so this is history today in your mind? ? abso . >> absolutely. this is the moment where the dog caught the postal truck. this usually doesn't happen. now, the fact is we have to take this moment which validates the anguish of the people of ukraine and those parents and then turn it into okay, what's next. >> you've got to make it count. those kids need it. nathaniel raymond, thank you for the work that you do and thank you for being with us tonight. >> thank you for telling the story, john. >> coming up, more from clarissa ward's exclusive interview with icc chief prosecutor karim khan, including whether he thinks he will ever see putin taken into custody in handcuffs as

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we continue our look tonight at the historic arrest warrants handed down by the international criminal court for vladimir putin and a top russian official. now with more of clarissa ward's exclusive conversation with the icc's chief prosecutor karim khan and why the icc decided first to focus on the kidnapping of ukrainian children as well as what charges may be coming next. >> under the rome statute the forced deportation of children is also listed as a component of genocide potentially.

now, the arrest warrants today are for war crimes. i wonder how did you decide whether to pursue war crimes vs. crimes against humanity vs. genocide, for example? >> so we're at such an early stage of the investigations. we are continuing to look at all the allegations that we have received, that we are uncovering, and we will make the necessary applications to the judges if and when the evidence fulfills those requirements. so the fact that today the judges of the international criminal court pursuant to their statutory responsibilities have decided to issue the two warrants that have been mentioned doesn't mean that's it. we will keep on going to the best of our ability to ensure that the many other crimes, the many other allegations that seem to have been committed are uncovered. >> so is it fair to say this is essentially just the first step and there are multiple other

investigations into potential war crimes in ukraine that your office will be looking into? >> yeah, i think it's very clear that it's an ongoing theater of battle. and war is not illegal but the war has certain constraints. there's not an unlicensed -- there's not a free license to commit every type of atrocity. you can't rape. you can't attack civilian objects. you can't attack civilians. you can't execute people that have laid down their arms. these are the baesic principles that have been understood by all sides. >> you've obviously worked in international law for a long time. you've spent quite some time on the ground in ukraine. how does ukraine compare? not that one can make these types of comparisons. but are you struck by what you see in ukraine in terms of the levels of violence or potential war crimes? >> you know, you're quite right.

i've had the privilege of seeing victims and survivors in so many parts of the world. and i don't have a lead table of course. but what we see in parts of ukraine have been seen by different people of different cultures and different languages. i was also leading the team investigating crimes by daesh in mosul. the balkans, i was a junior prosecutor decades ago at the rw rwandan tribunal and yugoslav be tribunal as well as cambodia. you know very well about the banality of evil. you also know very well about the kind of crimes that have afflicted humanity from time immemorial but also since the holocaust. and unfortunately, despite the promises of never again and despite the publicity, the understanding that the law is out there, there is this still

very prevalent proclivity of people with power to believe that they can subject weaker people to that power and do what they want. >> back with us now clarissa ward. also joining us garry kasparov, russian pro-democracy leader and chairman of the human rights foundation. he's also the author of "winter is coming: why vladimir put sxin and the enemies of the free world must be stopped. garry, you've been a long-time critic of putin. what is your reaction to these arrest warrants today? >> it's a great joy. it's a very important first step as we heard today. because this war and the crimes com mifted by russian troops on ukrainian soil is quite unique. we saw many genocides before but we learned of them afterwards. holocaust, cambodia, rwanda. we didn't see them live. we had to accumulate evidence and then recognize the horrors of the crimes. these crimes are committed

virtually online. and i think that what's happened today it's a very strong message for russians, for russian elite that there's no way back. no one is going to close their eyes and sort of turn a blind eye on these crimes. somehow i think putin probably was shocked. because he's spilled rivers of blood but now he's being charged with kidnapping. it's like al capone being charged with tax evasion. because they could actually get him on tax evasion. and it's not being mentioned but putin bragged about this crime, kidnapping kids, on television. actually, they recorded it. so you don't even have to prove it because you have putin's personal confession about the program that he authorized and his subordinate, the so-called commissioner of -- on children's right, she has been executing the program. which by the way was a part of putin's long-term strategy, of destroying ukrainian statehood and eradicating ukrainians as a

nation. it's not me saying. putin said it many times. and it has been repeat bid russian propaganda. that's the goal of the war. no matter what desantis talked about about territorial dispute. this is a genocidal war that has been planning for a long time. >> stealing children. bragging about stealing children. we just played some of that before. that is what he is charged with. but as you heard in clarissa's piece there, there may be other charges. do you expect and hope that there will be? >> oh, absolutely. absolutely. this is the first one just because we actually could see him on television saying about that. other charges, you know, you have to connect directly to putin. but this one, again, you have his personal confession. i think it's -- every prosecutor could dream about personal confession recorded by major tv station. but i hope it's just as they have been saying, first step because crimes are endless there. it's not just war crimes. it's a genocide. and actually europe is ahead of

america because part of this program is not only to convict these criminals by issuing warrants as a first step but also to remove the state immunity from russian frozen funds. europe is working now very aggressively to confiscate hundreds of billions of dollars of frozen funds to pay ukraine for reconstruction. it doesn't have to be paid by american taxpayers or german taxpayers or french taxpayers. there's money stolen by putin's cronies from russia and kept abroad that could be actually transferred to ukraine. >> so clarissa, we talk about the idea of other possible charges, and you did with karim khan right there. any sense of what other evidence they're collecting at this point to try to make those other charges? >> well, i think perhaps understandably, john, they're being a little circumspect about giving any details about ongoing investigations. but what karim khan did say is that essentially ukraine is a crime scene right now and whether it's the massacre of

bucha, whether it's some of the atrocities that we've seen in mariupol where civilians were taking shelter in a theater were killed in the hundreds by air strikes, where a maternity hospital was also bombed. there are multiple avenues they can pursue. now, obviously, there's always the constraint of time and resources because what i do think prosecutor khan feels very intensely is the pressure of getting it right. if you're going to build the case, it's got to be rock solid. it's got to be ironclad. and that's as you just heard mr. kasparov kind of elucidating when it was important to start with this forced deportation of ukrainian children is because this was done flagrantly basically, vocally, by the russian state, by vladimir putin in conjunction of course with ms. lvova-belova. so it makes sense as a starting point. but there are many other lines of inquiry and investigation and

allegations that they are looking into. and the hope is that this is just the beginning, that they're building momentum and we will see more like this to come. >> so garry, you tweeted today "i don't care if putin leaves his bunker in chains or in a box but his trial would be an education for russians who have denied culpability. there would be facts and denial but the facts would come out." do you really think at this point that the russians would learn something from this? >> eventually yes. that before this moment comes we need ukraine to win the war. ukrainian victory as i've been saying for a long time alongside my colleagues like michael khodorkovsky and other prominent russians who believe victory for ukraine is beginning of liberation of russia from putin's fascism. only a decisive ukrainian victory that will include full liberation of the country including crimea and sevastopol, reparations being-paid and war crimes tribunal.

those are three key components for russia to have a chance, historic chance to leave behind empire, all imperial illusions in the past, mostly criminal past, and to try to build a new state, a nation state, some kind of loose confederation of many russian regions that would like to have a fresh start. >> garry kasparov, we do appreciate your time tonight. clarissa ward, as always, thank you so much for your reporting. next you're going to hear from yelena gnes, ukrainian mother of three now living here in the united states. her thoughts on the arrest warrants, something she's been demanding since her very first appearance on "360." lomita feed is 101 years old this year and counting. i'm bill lockwood, current caretaker and owner. when covid hit, we had some challenges

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today a prosecutor in the hague made history. sadly the story has been written month after month in tears pf days after russia invaded ukraine anderson spoke for the first of many times with our next guest olena gnes. along with her husband and children they were living peacefully in the capital of kyiv when the attack began and the missiles first landed there. and she's given us a ground's eye view of this war at every critical stage from the initial invasion to the siege of kyiv to the ukrainian counterassault. in fact, it was during that first interview on february 28th of last year when she said this about her hope that vladimir putin would one day face

justice. >> he just decided to send his troops and airplanes and to bomb my city and kill my people simply because he wanted. and for this putin has to be punished. and for this putin has to be imprisoned. to take him to hague international court because what he has done is an international, serious and awful crime. because thousands of people already died and they are not -- they are innocent victims. >> we are glad that olena gnes who now lives in the united states under the uniting for ukraine program could join us once again on this historic day. olena, thank you so much for joining us. you've been calling for vladimir putin to be punished and held accountable for the atrocities that have happened in your country from the very beginning of the invasion. so what are you feeling today after this announcement from the icc? >> i feel that it's better later than never. so i welcome the decision. but i also know that the list of

the crimes that putin has committed is much longer than this. we see killed civilians, injured civilians, raped women and men and children, we see destroyed villages and towns. the whole towns which are scorched to zero level. so the list is very long. and now i'm looking forward for more decisions, for more tough decisions because the only -- there is no alternative but, you know, to have putin to hold him accountable and to have him in the international criminal court. >> so when anderson visited you in kyiv last year there was this moment, this incredible moment when your daughter katya listed places in ukraine where atrocities have taken place. i want to listen to that. >> what they have done in bucha, it -- >> in mariupol! >> in mariupol. >> in kharkiv. >> and now i am ready -- >> in bucha. in m --

>> bucha in mariupol. >> the children know by heart the names of places atrocities have been committed. >> as we said, it really is something that your daughter knew the names of these places. even though these icc charges aren't related to those atrocities, what do you think that this moment, this historic moment represents for the people in ukraine? >> i think that you see even a child knows. the evidence is on the surface. you cannot pretend you are blind and don't see them. even a child could tell you the names of these cities. and unfortunately, since then a lot of more places were heavily destroyed. a lot of more crimes happened. and unfortunately, putin, he doesn't -- he doesn't care about this decision. i mean, i welcome this decision, but this decision doesn't stop putin right now. and unfortunately as we are talking right now putin continues destroying ukraine and killing people in ukraine.

>> so what more needs to happen in your eyes to hold putin accountable? >> he needs to be arrested. what needs to be done to a terrorist who is committing crimes? to any criminal who commits crimes. i mean, what if your neighbor just, you know, starts destroying your home, killing your people, raping your children and then you address to the police and what police tells you? that you know, this guy has very big guns, so we cannot arrest him. so just try to negotiate with him. it's not an option. we cannot normalize any crime. and a crime of this huge, you know, level cannot be normalized at all. because you know, the world is watching. and we have other countries who are watching right now. okay, putin violated all international agreements, and so what? he still can go forward and only force can stop him. so what ukraine needs is weapon. more weapons. and you know, enough of weapons

to stop. i'm not saying that america is given and other countries are given little. no, it's a lot. but unfortunately it's not enough. not because you're not helping ukraine much but because putin is more aggressive. he's insane. that's an insane tyrant. >> just lastly, you and your family are temporarily all in the united states staying with a host family. we spoke with you a few weeks ago around the one-year anniversary of the invasion. how are you all doing? >> we are doing really great. apart from the feeling of guilt that we are alive. but i think every ukrainian have this guilt. but we've been on a very amazing travel. we visited subscribers of my youtube channel in florida and we visited some museum. katya visited everglades, her dream destination. because when she was in the basement she was saying that she wants to become a crocodile and eat putin. so she saw the place of the crack diehl. and we also visited the kennedy

space center, and my children, they touched the piece of the moon. and i learned an amazing thing about america. -u you know, the words of kennedy when he said we go to the moon, we choose to go to the moon, we he do things because they are -- not because they are easy but because they are hard. and this is the real america. and america's a great country. and i'm very grateful to american people who are helping us. and you know, these people that we visited, they are both democrats and republicans, but it doesn't matter. when we talk about humanity, about you know, freedom, about these values that unite all of us, people of different political views in america and in ukraine and in other countries. we just have to be united and we have to be strong and we have to be brave like ukraine. brave like my daughter, who wanted to become a crocodile and eat putin. putin has to be punished.

russia is behaving like a terrorist. and it will not stop behaving like a terrorist until it is stopped by force. >> olena, the united states, we are lucky to have you here, if only temporarily. i hope you get to get back to your country soon. and while i understand the feelings of guilt, you didn't ask for this. this was done to you. we thank you very, very much. >> thank you. it's always honor. thank you. >> up next, more on the question that matters so much to olena and so many others, namely, whether putin will in fact ever face trial. we're going to look at how the international criminal court has brought some of history's other bad actors to justice and provided accountability for some of the planet's worst moments of injustice. ♪wow, uh-huh♪ advantage: me! can't wait 'til i turn 65! take advantage with an aarp medicare advantage plan... only from unitedhealthcare. ♪ ♪ wow, we're crunching tons of polygons here!

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lvova-belova in a place in a rogue's gallery of alleged war criminals. although the icc established in the hague in 2002 has a checkered record of bringing those accused of wrongdoing to justice. >> mr. thomas debanga diillo is getty of the crimes of conscript sxeng listing children. >> reporter: it took the court nearly ten years to get its first conviction. thomas labanga of the democratic republic of congo sentenced for his role in recruiting child soldiers. many icc cases have focused on african states, prompting criticism of disproportionality. libya's former leader moammar gadhafi was charged with crimes against humanity in 2011. >> implementing that warrant will send key signals to those who commit crimes in libya or elsewhere. you cannot gain power or retain power committing crimes against

humanity. the world will not allow you to do it. >> reporter: but he was brutally killed by a libyan mob before he could be brought to justice. before the icc war crimes were handled by special u.n. tribunals like that set up to prosecute war crimes perpetrated in the bosnia war and break-up of yugoslavia. including the high-profile trial of slobodan milosevic, the former yugoslav president, for the mass killing of innocent people. >> i consider this tribunal false tribunal and indictments false indictments. it is illegal. >> reporter: he died in jail before his trial ended, denying many the justice they yearned for. ratko mladic, the bosnian serb military leader, was indicted in 1995 but evaded arrest until 2011. the court found he was guilty of genocide, and in 2017 he began a

lifetime prison sentence. >> the tribunal sentences you to death by hanging. >> reporter: but it was of course the nuremberg trials of prominent nazis after the second world war that set the standard for war crimes prosecutions. there's far less unity among nations today, though, about who is guilty and who is not. and despite the indictments few expect the russian leader ever to see the inside of a court. matthew chance, cnn, london. >> perhaps justice will prevail. the news continues here on cnn right after a quick break. (other money manager) different how? aren't we all just looking for the hottest stocks? (fisher investments) nope. we use diversified strategies to position our client's portfolios for their long-term goals. (other money manager) but you still sell investments that generate high commissions for you, right? (fisher investments) no, we don't sell commission products. we're a fiduciary, obligated to act in our client's best interest. (other money manager) so when do you make more money, only when your clients make more money? (fisher investments) yep. we do better when our clients do better.

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on the world stage. the international criminal court issues a warrant