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newsroom, we're following global reaction boy the arrest warrant for russian president vladimir putin, we'll go live to kiev ahead. and to on you allow the use or prescription of abortion pills, the signs that point to a possible indictment of donald trump possibly soon. this comes amid a monday mental ruling by a federal federal judge involving one of former's president's attorneys. >> live from cnn center. this is cnn newsroom. with kim brunhuber. russian president vladimir putin, the world could be a lot smaller than it was for him 24 hours ago, the international criminal court issued an arrest warrant for him and the kremlin so-called children's rights commissioner alleging they're responsible for the illegal deportation of ukrainian children to russia, international court was created to prosecute individualized of such actions right now, 123
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countries recognize its jurisdiction and if putin travels to any one of them he could be potentially arrested there. russia, however, is dismissing the warrant since it's not an icc member state, neither is the u.s., friday, president biden voiced support for court's decision. >> i think it's justified but the question is it's not recognized internationally by us either. but i think it makes a very strong point. >> ukraine's president also agreed with the icc warrant saying its significance can't be overstated. >> this is a historic decision that will lead to historic responsibility >> more than 16,000 cases of forced deportation of ukrainian children by the occupier already been recorded. but the real full number of deportees may be much higher, such a criminal operation would have been impossible without the order of the highest leader of the terrorists state.
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>> the icc chief prosecutor believes putin could stand trial for the crimes even though russia doesn't recognize its jurisdiction. here's what he told cnn in an exclusive interview? >> do you believe it's possible that one day we will see president vladimir putin in the dock. >> i think those it's impossible, fail to understand history, because the major war criminals, former president charles taylor, john commanderer all of them were mighty powerful individuals and found themselves in courtrooms who's conduct was adjudicated over independent judges and that gives course for hope the law can however, how difficult it may be, the law can be supreme. >> is the message today that nobody is above the law? >> i think the message must be
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that basic principles of humanity bind everybody and nobody should feel they have a free pass, should feel they can act with abandon and definitely nobody should feel that they can act and commit genocide or crimes against, war crimes with in impunity. >> there was the icc chief prosecutor speaking you can watch the full interview in the next hour. we're covering this story from all angles, we're live in kiev and in in istanbul with russia's reaction. let's start with you, you've been looking in the issue at state, the allegations of illegal deportation of ukrainian children, and effect. what more can you tell us? >> this is a serious allegation, of course, the international criminal court is the court of last resort, and there have been investigating months these allegations that russia ordered
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by vladimir putin and through his head of children's rights, a very ironic term have been using thousands of russian children out of occupy areas of ukraine into russia including orphans, we followed mothers desperately trying to get their children back. >> weeks ago, we first met her in kiev. in a shelter for displayed family. >> all of the mothers here separated from their children by the trauma of war. >> it overwhelmed me when lee la left, when i realized what was happening it terrified me, i wanted the best for my child at the time. >> her 11-year-old daughter snuck a russian camp in occupied crimea, all the lessons are in russian. first glance, the retreats seem like any other summer camp but the loyalists expected from ukrainian children is crystal clear, part of what a new yale
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university study calls systemic reeducation efforts. their story begin as years ago, the hometown fell quickly to advancing russian troops, within days, the occupiers began a campaign to rectify the population, often coercing thousands of parents to send their kids to the camps. but when ukrainian forces took back in november, her daughter was on the wrong side of the front line. >> we provide rescue mission for children who were abducted and now in russia for duration and in crimea. >> the founder of save ukraine declined to say exactly how they negotiated their tree into enemy territory, that the mothers can't do it on their own. >> it's impossible to communicate with russians because you can ask the memories they don't want to give children back. >> but tatiana was ready to take the risk. >> i'm worried, of course, you
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cannot even imagine my emotions inside, the fear and terror, emotional i could see her soon and this is a big deal for me. >> 11 mothers and one father putting on a brave face but theirs is a peril lus route, by ukraine by road to poland through the russian federation to occupied crimea. >> every kill meter on approach r i could feel it with every cell in my body. i was very emotional when they were closing closer. >> save ukraine spent many months planning this moment. reuniting families, shattered by war returning children who just wanting to home to ukraine. >> once i entered to me it was an outbursts of emotions once we embraced it was like a great
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weight lifted. >> in the end, they gave up the children willingly but save ukraine said that hundreds perhaps thousands remain, our two countries are at war but there are good people everywhere. >> the most serious allegations by the prosecutor don't deal with those kind of cases necessarily, though they are very disturbing, they say that there have been potentially hundreds of children taken from orphan itches state run organizations into russia adopted by russian parents, the russian authorities and the kremlin say that this is all rubbish they're not even party to the treaty so they say the issuing cc has no jurisdiction. but there are sill many children on other side of the front line with mother mothers trying to get them back >> those hugs that you showed are so emotional.
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great reporting there, david mckenzie in kiev, thanks so much. now in istanbul with more on russia's reaction to the arrest warrants. >> as you heard in david's reporting, russia has rejected this case, this war by the icc we heard yesterday from russia ambassador to the united nations accusing the icc of being bias and prejudice, they say in their words, the icc is a puppet and that's been under scored, he took to twitter in response to the icc announcement to say this was both outrageous and unacceptable in his words. reiterating fact that russia is not party to the icc doesn't recognize its jurisdiction and that message was really under scored by foreign ministry
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spokesperson person just yesterday, take a listen. >> the decisions of the international criminal court have no meaning for our country including from a legal point of view, russia there's no obligations under it russia does not and pickleball pretenses coming from the international court of justice will be legally null and void for us. >> as we have heard now, from moscow they do not recognize the jurisdiction of the icc when it comes to the impact this will have on the ground, the reaction on the ground and the every day actions of the russian federation in the ukraine, may not be seeing any significant changes there, that was certainly what we heard yesterday from the icc president who spoke to cnn describing this as not a magic wand. the hope from the icc and belief this could act as a deterrent in
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the future, there's still teams on ground investigating each and every day the russian aggression taking place in ukraine, those allegations of war crimes and that evidence will prove crucial in the coming years when it comes to seeking legal accountability for russia's war crimes in ukraine and that was certainly the direction from the european union, we heard yesterday from the e.u. foreign policy, he said this was an important historical step but noted this was only the beginning an important first step in his words to what will be a continued focus on seeking accountability by independent international bodies like the icc for accountability when it comes to russia's aggression in ukraine, this is a significant step forward, somewhat unprecedented and rare to see a sitting head of state facing this kind of warrant by the icc but of course the russian party to the treaty either is the united states, there's debate
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whether or not this will have impact is what so ever from president putin's direction. >> thank you so much i appreciate it. for more on this i want to bring in sir jeffrey nice, a british barrister i want to build what we were hearing from our reporter, i want to get your perspective on the importance of this warrant and what effect it could have. >> extremely important. several reason, first. it means that this man is now labeled and labeled until he dies unless by chance he goes for trial and is acquitted or national criminal court withdraws he's labeled for life as a criminal, that was pretty obvious from the public from almost the beginning of the war this was a criminal war led boy man therefore must himself be criminal but it's a great step to have taken, maybe a bit later
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than we would have liked to have him label in this way, he won't be able to travel freely in many places. his being labeled in this way is extremely important for the lions of countries including, of course, or led by the united states of america, supporting ukraine. any of those countries that now want to separate out may be because they rather have cheap gas and oil or just tired of supporting ukraine will find it much more difficult when the man leading the war against whom they have so far been giving support is identified in this way as a man who needs to be tried. so it's very important for those two reasons and maybe others. but >> do you think that putin will ever face accountability in the actual criminal court? >> it's impossible for me to say, i dare say security and political correspondents will be
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better able to advise on that, but as mr. khan said, surprising things do happen, indeed, with the man handed over or for charles taylor of lie beer ria. so those once charged as he has been can never be sure that the day of judgment may not come for them. the percentage prospects of that happening are completely beyond my opinion. >> how challenging do you think it would be to link putin and his so-called children's rights commissioner directly with the alleged crimes. >> i don't think it would be difficult at all. he's been quite open about what he's actually done in providing the criminal side of it can be proved by showing the unwillingness to go the inappropriateness of them to go, and the case is an easy one to prove. or maybe. and should be born in mind that
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the expressed difficulty, the difficulties described by lawyers of these cases perhaps rather more what lawyers see in things than everybody else does. it's been very obvious from the beginning, for example, in the attacks on civilian places throughout ukraine, this was a criminal war. and there's no way that putin could have denied responsibility for what was going on because like the rest of us he has a television, he can see what was going on. did you ever hear of him saying, i'm sorry, that wasn't what i intended? and it shouldn't have happen and i'll call back the commanders concerned and put them on trial. of course he didn't, it's perfectly obvious what's happening in this war, including the forced transfer of children, which is contrary -- it's a war crime, but it can also feature as a crime against humanity and in certain circumstances, can qualify as genocide.
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it's quite apparent he's responsible, so i don't actually think command responsibility with him is a big task. >> we heard from president biden who said he supported the warrant, how much more weight would it have if the u.s. actually recognized the jurisdiction. international criminal court? >> well, it would have more weight. and it's a matter of great regret that the united states does not recognize or would take part in its work an active state's party, that would, in fact, be the single act which would most advance into international justice. but in the particular circumstances in which we find ourselves, i think the very fact that the leading politicians are using the word criminal connected to putin is what really matters. should have happened earlier but better late than never, and it's
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possible, i'm not suggesting your opinion, as you imply in your question the world is in a way waiting for america to say yes, we back international justice for crimes committed in war by becoming part of the international. that's something the rest of us are looking at and hope it will. >> appreciate getting your insight, jeffrey nice thank you so much for being here with us. >> not at all, you're most welcome. still ahead, tumultuous week for global markets come to a close but fears of banking crisis are still retailing investors the latest from walls coming up. plus french president macron raises age, and looks to demonstrations showing no signs of stopping. stay with us. ♪. ♪.
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about protests outside the courthouse and threats against officials from trump supporters. >> blockbuster ruling in the investigation of donald trump's handling of classified documents a federal judge to answer more questions federal grand jury there should be an exception to the attorney/client privilege, the second round could make interim lawyer evan cork written one of the most crucial witnesses in the investigation. caitlin reports. >> the justice department and special counsel jack smith won a monumental court decision on friday in their investigation into donald trump and his handling of classified records in this decision, they got under seal from federal judge barrel howell in the dc district court friday, that decision says that conversations between trump's attorney and evan cork ran and donald trump himself may have been part of the commissioning of a crime, that's what a
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federal judge is agreeing with the justice department on that. that is a really, really significant thing to sort of legal opinion that will be remembered and give momentum to not just the special council's investigation but also be remembered for presidencies to come. what the practical impact of this is that evan corcoran, the defense attorney of donald trump, you say already testified in federal court, judge howell in the dc district court is saying he'll have to come back now and finish testimony, all things he decline to do answer because he said they were confidential because they were attorney/client communications those sorts of communications he cannot protect any longer because of what the justice department has done in this case. donald trump's team they do have the opportunity to appeal and they are vowing to fight this, but they still even haven't seen the extent of the legal reasoning from judge howell, the
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opinion is not fully available to them yet. they're probably going to get a redacted version of it in the coming days, so they won't know exactly what the justice department has at this time in this criminal investigation and all of this is still sealed to the public as special counsel jack smith wrappers up the grand jury investigation into classified records. cnn washington. >> as his legal troubles continue to swirl, donald trump is moving ahead with his bid to return to the white house. he's expected to hold his first formal campaign rally next saturday at an airport in way company co texas, this will be the first large scale rally since declaring his intention to run for reelection ahead much more on the icc arrest warrant for russia's president, how the court's latest move compares to previous war crime trials. stay with us. ♪ ♪. ♪ ♪. fever? better.
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welcome back to you watching us here in the united states canada and around the world, i'm kim brunhuber this is cnn newsroom, more on the top story, international criminal court to issued an arrest warrant for russia's president over alleged war crimes in ukraine, the icc says along with russia's so-called children's rights commissioner, vladimir putin is responsible for the illegal deportation of ukrainian children to russia. cnn matthew chance has more on the icc's decision and previous efforts to prosecute war crimes. we want to warn you his report contains graphic images. >> the suspected crime of overseeing the abduction of
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ukrainian children has earned vladimir putin and maria bell va a place in rogue's gallery of alleged war criminals, the icc established in the hague in 2002. >> he's guilty of in lesing children. >> took the court nearly ten years to get the first conviction, thomas la banker of the democratic republic sentenced for his role in recruiting child soldiers. maybe icc cases focused on african states prompting criticism of disproportionality. >> he was charge with crimes against humanity in 2011 >> implementing will send clear signals to those who commit crimes, in libya and elsewhere.
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you cannot gain power or retain power committing crimes against humanity, the world will not allow you to do it. >> he was brutally killed by libyan mob before he could be brought to justice. before the icc, war crimes were handled by special u.n. tribunals set up to prosecute war crimes perpetrated in the bosnia war and break-up of >> including the high profile trial the former president of the mass killing of innocent people. >> i consider this tribunal a forced tribunal and indictments force indictments it is illegal >> he died in jail before his trial ended denying many the justice they yearned. he was indicted in 1995 but evaded arrests until 2011, court
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found he was guilty of genocide and 2017 began a lifetime prison sentence. >> sentences to you death boy hanging. >> but it was, of course, the nuemberg trials after world war ii that set the standards for war crimes prosecutions far less unity among nations today though about who is guilty and not. and despite the indictment, few expect the russian leader ever to see the inside of a court. matthew chance, cnn london. as russia's president becomes a want man, moscow is about to mark the anniversary of its initial land grab in ukraine. nine years ago, russia an nexted the crimea peninsula which ukraine at the time called a railroad on an international scale, russian president vladimir putin is expected to mark the anniversary during a video conference and inaugurate a monument, ukraine made it
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clear it wants to recapture crimea along with other areas occupied by moscow, russia is building a strong defensive force in crimea, more news about the arrest warrant, we heard he will meet the chinese counterpart face-to-face next week, the war in ukraine is expected to dominant the agenda. cnn has details from beijing >> leader xi jinping flies to moscow to meet with russian president vladimir putins his first visit since russia invaded ukraine. the support for moscow. >> china of foreign ministry said the country's quote proposition boils down to one sentence, which is to urge peace and promote talks. beijing tried to present itself as a neutral piece broker on ukraine, publishing a position paper last month calling for a
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political settlement and casting xi as a global states man after help saudi arabia and iran broker historic deal to restore diplomatic ties, but western leaders are skeptical of beijing as a immediate yurt, putin visited beijing for the winter olympics opening ceremony, xi met putin in-person 39 times, since becoming china's leader. even changing gifts including pandas. china refused to condemn the invasion or call it an invasion, it's parroting misinformation blaming nato on china's heavily censored social media it's thumb up in regards to the official post about the state visit with comments like hope russia will win soon, hope there will be world peace. and long live china russia
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friendship. beijing also strengthened economic and military ties were with moscow by boosting trade and holding frequent military exercises. western officials have raised concerns that china may be considering providing russia with lethal military aid, beijing denied the accumulation, last month putin told diplomat that is relations between their countries are reaching new milestones, the two nations bound together by their shared vision for a new world order. no longer dominated by the west. and while xi spoken to putin multiple tiles since the invasion, virtually and in-person, he's not yet had a single phone call with ukrainian president vlodymyr zelenskyy. though ukraine's presidential advisor said negotiations about a potential zelenskyy xi conversation are ongoing. as xi heads to russia the ability of china to help resolve the conflict hangs in the
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balance. selene wang cnn beijing >> finland is getting the green light to join nato from two hold-out countries, the nor dick nation along with sweden applied for membership last year after russia invaded ukraine, new members must be approved by all nato countries but turkey and hungried held back until friday, would it start the ratification process for finland hungry promised to vote unanimously for finland membership in little more than a week, finland's president welcomed the news but said it as if complete without sweden. ahead, millions of nigerians are going to polls again this time to elect new governors, we'll have a live report from lagos coming up, stay with us. ♪. ♪ .
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pension age from 62 to 64. riot police used tear gas on proud of protesters of some chanting for emmanuel macron to resign, they're the latest since macron decided to push through without full parliamentary vote, mounds of trash are piling up across paris as sanitation workers oppose their strike which would raise the age for trash collectors ands drivers tyre 57 to 59. >> u.s. markets closed out a volatile week on friday. while stocks ended the day down as the tumultuous banking sector continues to unnerve wall street tumbled 400 points or 1.2%, nasdaq 7% and s & p 500100%, first republic saw its credit
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rating downgraded by moody's which said the bank is facing significant challenges shares of first republic plunged 33 on friday, pack west is down 19% and z iles 7%, investors are hoping next week's meeting will serve more light. earlier i spoke with michael imer man at uc irvine and asked him after a week of bail-out and cash infusions how precarious is the banking situation now >> the problem with any banking panic is that it's like a series of dominos, and once one domino -- once one of those dominos falls it has a cascading effect, there's no way to know which will be the next to fall in this chain reaction, oath everybody is on the edge of their seat wondering, who's next. >> the problem with these falling dominos, as you say is
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how quickly things seem to have fallen, as you pointed out social media has played a huge part in this. >> this wasn't a bank run this was a bank sprint. and social media played a really central role in that bank sprint, if you will, because historically with a bank run, we'll see it unfold over a matter of days, weeks, even months. and with the use of social media and digital banking combined, i mean, these are great technologies that enable us to be more connected than ever before and have access to more information in real time than ever, as information spreads so quickly people can act without having time to digest and i think that's a large part of waddle with silicon valley bank like r messaging boards people were pull up phone go to the banking ap and transfer money
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without thinking and this caused a digital bank run led like nothing we ever seen before. >> the problem is part technology, as you say there, and part psychology, particularly how it spread to the regional banks. >> right. and so part of what i think is going on right now is you know, when there is a banking panic, often, participants in this panic will not necessarily look at the economics or the fundamentals immediately but just look for commonalities between banks. and so naturally, people are looking geographically in the bay area assuming that there's some exposure to similar constituencies, clientele and banks that have a similar size, so these regional banks be especially on the west coast of the u.s. were in a prime position to be put under the spotlight, and then everybody
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starts examining things like their balance sheet and looking at depositor base and who's depositor base is similar to silicon valley bank in terms of percentage of uninsured depositors, that's why we see the crisis unfolding now with first republic. it's -- you're right. there's a bit of psychology i'm not a psychologist, i'm an economist, but you know, there is a bit of psychology in this, that takes over everybody's rationality instead of kind of sitting down and looking and examine, the facts and making more rational decisions people just kind of rush to conclusions. >> obviously, many people are having flashbacks to 2008, you know, we pointed out on this program how it is different than 2008 but a lot of these problems were supposed to have been fixed then but seems that they weren't. did we not learn the lessons? were they, forgotten ignored? >> the the fact of the matter is, we as a society seem to have a short memory.
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so one a decade has passed, we keep repeating these problems over and over, you're right, the legislation put in place after the global financial crisis in 2008 was supposed to address many of these problems. it was major issue in 2008 and everybody said we shouldn't be bailing banks out, shouldn't have too big to fail, so we put new measures in place to curb too big to fail. however, what happened when these regional banks come no pressure people pull money out of smaller banks, and who do they go to? the too big to fail banks they feel more their money is safe there. and this sets off a vicious cycle because then people are pulling money out of banks again without looking at fundamentals or economics necessarily, and feeding it to the too big to fail banks, the two big to fail banks are getting bigger and healthier and the smaller regional banks and community banks are the ones you suffering so there's this perverse effect that we see from too big to fail
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that was not anticipated. in 2010. >> final words of advice for our viewers who are understandably maybe a bit panicky about everything they're seeing, what would you say. >> so i think in terms of? you are ordinary bank customer, whether this is a consumer or a small business, as long as you are diversified among a number of different financial institutions, your deposits are insured up to $250,000. so as long as you don't exceed that depositor base, there is a deposit insurance fund that will protect you with certainty. question mark comes in is with the uninsured deposits that was a big issue with silicon valley bank and now a big issue with first republic. >> appreciate your expertise on this, thanks so much for joining us, appreciate it. >> thank you for having me, kim. voters in africa most
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populus nation are heading back to the poll ahead of nigeria's 36 states, it was delayed so reconfigure the voting machines during february's election, antony blinken hopes anything will be addressed for the legal simply i'm joined by lagos, nigeria. there were certainly plenty of issues during the presidential election, people not able to vote, security issues, what are you expecting to see this time around. >> reporter: good morning, kim, we're expecting more of the same. we've been to several polling units this morning already, voting started about an hour ago, some places haven't started so those delays we saw the last time are certainly present, and we're now here at polling unit in an area of lagos where people are telling us that they have
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faced voter intimidation from the community. so the people have been here since 8:00 a.m. some of them and been told that they must not vote in they're not voting for the ruling party. now, one of the voters is joining me here, nicole, and she will tell us how the voters, this people tried to stop them. thank you nicole for joining us. what are we experiencing here. >> so i got here at 8:00 a.m. we've been in a queue and as soon as we got here, we had a number of men from the community come out and they were yelling and saying look, this is a community, this is not an sdate, after the rubbish people did three weeks ago, you can r you think you can come and impose your view if you want to vote and not align with us then go back to your village. >> what did they want you vote. >> certainly feels apc. they had mentioned, you know,
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voting, a pc. they didn't mention any other parties, just mentioned if you don't align with us, then you will see what was happen when mad men here don't try this and also mentioned once we vote, we have to leave. we're not allowed to wait around and vote. and some people are asking, as part of the electoral act, we are allowed to be here for the counting of the votes, then, when captured by the polling unit that would be uploaded to the system and they said, no, once we're done societying we have to leave, if we don't leave, anything that happens to us, we have to take like that. >> so thank you, nicole for joining us. and so there you have it, kim, some people here reporting that a woman was nearly attacked by people here in this community who were saying that they must vote for the ruling party. so this was similar to what was reported in the previous election where people were -- there were attempts to suppress
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votes, if they're not voting in the right way according to them, so we're on this story we're going around to polling units but this what people are experiencing here, kim. >> we'll monitor that story throughout the day stephanie, thank you so much. the fbi is offering a $20,000 reward for information on the whereabouts of a dual american mexican citizen kidnapped in mexico more than a year ago, authorities say maria lopez was taken from her home sound western mexico february 9th, they don't believe drug cartels were involved. her family in california said she moved to mexico after retiring and living a quiet life in home land, her daughter tells cnn she remains holy her mother will be returned to the family safely. a massive bloom of seaweed is sliming the beaches of caribbean and parts of florida, we'll have more on how bad this
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