former president trump says he's about to be arrested and calls for protests. i'm michael smerconish in philadelphia. in a post on his truth social account this morning, former president trump announced that he expects to be indicted by manhattan district attorney alvin bragg in the investigation examining hush money paid to women who alleged sexual encounters with him. he wrote in all caps, the far and away leading republican candidate and former president of the united states of america will be arrested on tuesday of next week, protest, take our nation back. his legal team has been anticipating this and preparing behind the scenes. trump is expected to present himself in manhattan following the formal charges and has expressed interest in making a speech afterwards. a source familiar with the situation says trump has complained privately he believes he's only going to be indicted because he thinks that bragg, quote, hates him. some of trump's advisers are urged him privately not to call

for protests, sender about the optics of a mass protest in the streets of manhattan growing out of control or resembling the january 6th attack on the capitol. john miller reported about meetings between city, state and federal law enforcement agencies in new york city about how to prepare for a possible indictment. we'll bring you more on this story as details become available. now to the guns of war. this week came several significant and troubling developments with regard to the war in ukraine. the latest the news that next week chinese president xi jingping will travel to russia to meet with vladimir putin. a putin adviser told russian state media they plan to discuss the war in ukraine and will sign documents attesting to closer ties. china refused to condemn russia's invasion or even call it such, instead echoing the kremlin's stance of blaming it on nato. u.s. officials are monitoring the meetings as china considers sending weapons to russia and are working to get xi on the

phone with president zelenskyy. the biden administration also warning that xi could call for an unconditional cease-fire, which the u.s. says would legitimize moscow's hold on the estimated 17% of ukrainian territory that it's taken by force. the international criminal court issued arrest warrants for putin and the commission or childrens' rights over an alleged scheme to forcibly deport thousands of children to russia. russia, which does not recognize the jurisdiction, called it outrageous and unacceptable. this followed on the heels of the u.s. encounter in international airspace over the black sea, in which two russian fighter jets harassed a drone. one of the russian jets dumped fuel on the drone, disabling its cameras, and hit the drone's propeller, prompting the remote operators to bring it down in international waters. before that video was released by the u.s., russia claimed its jet, quote, did not use airborne weapons or come into contact with the drone.

then on thursday, poland announced it would be supplying four soviet-made fighter jets to ukraine, the first nato member to do so. on friday, slovakia followed suit saying it was sending 13 more, raising pressure to do the same. all this while fierce fighting continues in the eastern ukrainian city of bakhmut with russian forces reportedly exhausted and low on munitions. a ukrainian lieutenant kernel told the "washington post" of his struggles leading a unit composed entirely of inexperienced troops in the battalion of about 500 soldiers. he said roughly 100 were killed in action and 400 wounded. the sum total of these developments seems to be ratcheting up of the conflict in its 13th month and it comes amid growing divide in the united states on support for ukraine. according to axios, just 42% of republicans say they support sending u.s. weapons and money

to ukraine, compared with 79% of democrats and 60% of independents. and this week governor desantis, a presumed gop the candidate, answered a tucker carlson questionnaire referring to the war in ukraine as a territorial dispute. he said, quote, while the u.s. has many vital national interests, securing our borders, addressing the crisis of readiness in our military, achieving energy, security and independent es, and checking the military power of the chinese communist party, becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between ukraine and russia is not one of them. this earned him a rebuke from the right-leaning page of "the wall street journal." they called desantis' words his first big mistake and wrote, this is flirting with gop isolationism that has emerged from time to time in history and has usually been an electoral cul de sac.

the nye yev tee was on national display when japan attacked pearl harbor. president trump also weighed in with his take. >> every day this proxy battle in ukraine continues, we risk global war. we must be absolutely clear that our objective is to immediately have a total secsession of hostilities. >> "the wall street journal" that they are forcing to have one hand tied behind its back. me write mr. biden wants russia to lose, but seems afraid of ukraine actually winning. today white house policy is essentially we support ukraine defending itself, but not enough to be too effective. i want to know if you agree. go to smerconish.com and vote on

this week's pole poll question. is the military support being given to ukraine by u.s. and nato intended to defend against russia or actually to win the war? john bolton joins me now. he served as national security adviser to former president trump and former ambassador to the united nations. he's also the author of the book "the room where it happened." ambassador, thank you for being here. what have we not done that we should be doing according to you? >> well, i don't think the administration or nato as a whole have really declared clearly what the goals in ukraine are. the stated position of every nato member is ukraine should be restored to its full sovereignty and territorial integrity. if that really is our position, let's say so, then having stated the goals, determine a strategy that will get us there. we have had no strategy. i think people are familiar with this long series of debates about this weapon system and that weapon system, do we supply mig planes, himars, abrams

tanks. that reflects the absence of a strategy. the strategy is assembling the assets you need to achieve the goals and then going and doing it. that's not what we have done. the effect has been to prolong this war, increase the casualties and damage to ukraine and give russia more of a chance over time as the much larger power in the conflict to make up for its appalling performance in the opening months of the war. >> the thesis of your "wall street journal" piece is we're not letting them win. how do you define winning? >> again, the stated position, which we may not believe, maybe the white house doesn't believe in our stated position is what they want. but it means as the prime minister of finland said a couple months ago, very crisply, how does this end? it ends with all russian troops out of ukraine. >> ukraine as it existed 13 months ago or ukraine plus

crimea? i guess that's my question. >> look, i think the only statement that admits of any possibility of stability in the space of the former soviet union is the territorial sovereignty that ukraine held at the time of the breakup of the soviet union at the end of 1991. the first, last, and probably only democratically elected president of russia, boris yeltsin, agreed to the soviet union splitting along the lines of the internal borders of the republics in the agreement with the presidents of ukraine and belarus in 1991. russia agreed to it. if russia wants to pull out of the agreement, that's fine. that means the border of every other former constituent part of the soviet union is up for grabs. >> will you respond to critics, who say -- and i literally read this in a comment appended to

the journal, that ambassador bolton has never met a war that he doesn't like? >> that's a kind of simple-minded response. i look after american interests. my philosophy is derived from barry goldwater and ronald reagan, who believed in peace through strength. for some people, it's hard to understand that it's not american strength that's provocative. it's american weakness that's provacative. >> you served in the trump administration. i have to ask you about the news of the day. the news that former president trump has posted on truth social just this morning that he expects to be arrested on tuesday and is also calling for protests telling his supporters to, quote, take our nation back. your thoughts? >> just to explain, if he's about to be arrested, it almost certainly means he's going to be indicted, he's going to come in and surrender himself to answer

to the indictment. it's not some random decision. i strongly believe in a free society. there's got to be one rule of law for everybody. i think that's clear. i don't know how you make that judgment when you're talking about a case involving somebody paying hush money to a prostitute or a stripper. i only know one person who has ever done that. i worked for him. it's a kind of strange situation, but i will say this, however guilty trump may be, and the one rule of law for everybody, if they indict and fail to convict in new york, i think historians would look back and say that's the act that re-elected donald trump president. i hope those prosecutors in new york are very, very certain of their case. >> i have opined here that in the four buckets that i perceive where he faces legal peril, this is, in my opinion, the weakest of them. i have to believe there's a risk here of this -- taint might not

be the right word, but tainting the prosecutions that could follow. he's got a right to vigorously defend himself against this and any charges. what i don't like is him calling for protests because it's reminiscent of january 6th. >> i think this is an important issue. january 6th was not an insurrection. it was a riot, one of the saddest days in america history, but it was not an attempted coup because i don't think donald trump had the wits to conduct a coup. but having seen the history, if he's calling people into the streets, this time he's seen the experience of january 6th and i think this is potentially very dangerous. so again, people, law enforcement in new york has to be concerned for the safety of the citizens of new york. but if something happens in this that allows trump to make it into a campaign issue, it's going to be very serious. i know this must be galling to many people, but keep your eye

on the ball is what i'd say. if you don't want donald trump to be elected president again, for god's sakes, be careful how you act. >> i get your point. i think he risks surrendering the argument this is a seven year old sex case, when it should lead to protests. i like to respond to social media in realtime. put something on the screen so the ambassador and i can answer it together. i'll read it aloud. he's calling for his minions to protest says jena. he was careful with his wording this time. he will be out before his fingerprint ink can dry. your thought? >> he will be out of the surrender exercise on tuesday almost certainly. you go in, he's going to get his mug shot taken. that will be interesting. and he'll be back in some safe location. we'll see what happens here. we'll see how many people are willing to turn out for him. it may turn out to be a bust.

but i don't think law enforcement ought to do anything to give him the excuse to say he's the most persecuted man in the world. >> ambassador, thank you for your time. >> glad to be with you. >> ambassador bolton has inspired today's poll question at smerconish.com. go there now and answer this question. by the way, using the qr code again, so put your phone up to the tv screen and we'll make it easy for you. is the military support being given to ukraine by u.s. and nato intended to defend against russia, or to actually win the war? go vote. still to come, a reparations committee in san francisco has made over 100 proposals aiming to compensate for centuries of slavery and systemic racism, including $5 million per eligible black resident. can this ever be implemented? we have the guest coming up, the committee vice chair is here. plus to avoid another bank failure like the recent ones of silicon valley bank and signature, 11 mega banks pumped

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in the wake of the collapse of silicon valley bank and signature banks, what will it take to convince americans not to panic, pull their cash from their own banks and perpetuate this as a crisis? this week as regional bank stocks plummeted and first republic was in peril, there were emergency phone calls among the treasury secretary, jpmorgan chase chief jamie dime on and 11 mega banks pumped $30 billion into republic to keep it afloat. wells fargo, jpmorgan and citi. another billion each from u.s. bank. bn melon and pnc and the first threat to a bank of global significance, credit suisse, has

been averted, at least for now. my next guest is the ceo of a tan bank in texas. he took a different approach to ensure his customers that their money is in safe hands. in a memo, he included his personal cell number for them to reach out to him. joining me now is brad tidwell, the president and ceo of vera bank for 15 years, they serve 16 counties in east, central and southeast texas. they have more than $4 billion in assets. brad, thanks for being here. so 70,000 plus emails, i read that you received 50 calls and 100 text messages. i was thinking to myself, if you had done nothing, i bet you would have heard from a lot more people. you probably put their minds to rest. >> thank you very much. that was the plan. we wanted to communicate, we wanted to communicate directly to our customers, we wanted to tell the truth and make sure they knew, if they were concerned, they could reach out

to any of my 500 colleagues, but most importantly, they could reach out to me. and some of them did. >> what did you hear from your customers? >> the great majority of those folks that reached out to me simply said thank you. thank you for communicating, thank you for making us feel better. a handful, probably five or ten, were naturally still concerned. wanted to ask questions about the safety and security of our bank and the industry as a whole. i took the time to talk with them and walk through why they should feel good about their deposits. >> the brits, they say keep calm and carry on, or words to that effect. no bank can sustain a run. the point is everybody has to be cool. >> yeah, you've got to have confidence. you have to have confidence in the way you have built your

bank, the way you've managed your bank, the steps you've taken to ensure that you've protected your customers. and i need to say that's what vera bank has done for many years and that's what the great majority of the banks in this country have done, also. >> i had a conversation on my radio program this week with former congressman barney frank. he proposes going forward. he, of course, dodd-frank, he thinks there ought to be differing levels of insurance for individuals, versus those that need to meet payroll. he proposed two months of ability to meet payroll going forward. does that make sense to you that there be a different standard for each? >> that would be very difficult to do. i have not heard that. i have not thought through that. you think about all of the small and mid-sized, large businesses in this country. how you determine what their payroll is, how you manage the

insurance against that, how the fdic would manage that, i'm not saying it's not possible. but it seems like that would be a real task. >> it's been a complicated week for those who lack your expertise. what's the message that you as a banker want to leave us with from your perspective? >> i truly believe that the banks in this country are safe. there are challenges with them. there are certainly liquidity challenges at certain institutions. but most of the institutions you're hearing about were somewhat single focused. they have heavy crypto exposure, or with silicon valley, they were heavily into the tech startup business, venture capital, and now first republic, primarily a wealth management bank. most of the banks in this country are are very well diversified. they have the balance sheet, the

capital and liquidity to handle these challenges. i believe there could be some more bad news, but i do not believe there's a reason to panic. i do not believe this is systemic. i believe we will be just fine, as we work through these challenges. >> i hope that's the case. by the way, your bio laid down a marker. it said you're a classic rock enthusiast, quote, go ahead and challenge him. okay, here's my challenge. you ready? >> uh-oh, yes, sir. >> he was a member of humble pie and in tp 1970s he had one of the best live selling double albums ever -- >> peter framton. >> okay, you beat me to it. i was going to say, outrageously, not even a member of the rock 'n' roll hall of fame. well done. nicely done. appreciate it. thank you, brad. >> he should be.

>> he should be. absolutely right. no doubt. thank you, sir. up ahead on more serious matters, former president trump expecting to be arrested next week and calling for protests. this as a centrist non patterson group busy securing ballot position for the 2024 presidential election. could aen candidate who runs third-party actually win or just spoil someone else's chances? plus san francisco despite never having had slavery in its history, considering a plan that would make it the first major u.s. city to pay reparations for systemic racism. how might that work, what might it cost and who might be eligible? we have the key guests coming up. go to smerconish.com and answer this week's poll question. you can use the qr code if you'd like. is the military support being given to ukraine by u.s. and nato intended to defend against russia or to actually win the war?

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with former president trump announcing on truth social this morning that he's going to be arrested next tuesday by the manhattan district attorney's office and calling for protests, what other candidates might have a shot in 2024? specifically what are the chances for a third-party candidate and would that person just prove to be a spoiler? the organization no labels has been working with what it calls great determination to provide an option to nominate an independent presidential candidate in 2024. writing for "the new york times," david brooks reported that it is a $70 million effort, of which $46 million has been raised or pledged. the media has reported no labels has secured a ballot place in three states for the next presidential cycle, colorado, arizona and oregon. the group has submitted petitions and says its goal is

to be on the ballot in all 50 states. it has identified 23 where it believes its unity ticket would win a plurality of the vote, which would suffice to win the electoral college. this news is alarming to some democrats who drthink the effor could split the democratic vote. they released a statement clarifying, quote, no labels has said this is an insurance policy, in the event both major parties nominate presidential candidates that the vast majority of americans don't want. if this happens, no labels will itself not run a candidate, but we will have a launching pad specifically in the form of ballot access across the country. by that measure, this could become reality. consider that joe biden's nomination as the democratic candidate would seem a certainty should he run, and all polls have donald trump currently leading the gop field. but polls also show that many americans don't want either. an abc poll finds 58% of

democratic leaning independents say they prefer someone other than biden, almost double the 31% who support biden. among republicans and republican leaning independents, 49% say they prefer their nominee to be someone other than trump, compared with 44% who favor him. among those who think that this could benefit trump is the democratic strategist and cnn political commentator. he wrote here is the reality as i see it, in recent elections, most voters who reject extremism have tended to vote democratic. this means the vast majority of votes that a no labels presidential candidate would receive would likely come out of president joe biden's poll of potential voters, not former president donald trump's, assuming the 2024 election turns out to be a rematch. in 2020 president biden won three states by less than one percentage point. this week, a think tank called third wave published a memo cautioning the no labels plan

will hurt democrats, citing the similar spoiler effect in recent directions. it warned, quote, rather than producing a third-party ticket that would defy the overwhelming odds and win, no labels is on track to field a spoiler who would re-elect trump or a trump-like republican. in response, no labels posted a statement that read, in part, no one at no labels has any interest in fueling a spoiler effort. joining me to discuss, former ohio congressman and sen forrial candidate, tim ryan, who ran for president in 2020. he's currently a senior visiting fellow at third way. congressman, nice to see you. namaste. i am part of the 44% who identify as independent. what about us? don't we get a seat at the table? >> yeah, absolutely, you have a seat at the table and you'll have a choice. i think the idea is not just should we have third-party candidates, i think most americans believe we should have more choices, not less.

but you have to view this in the context of an anti-democratic movement happening in the country. and to put someone in place that would tilt the balance toward the insurrectionists, toward the people who don't believe in democracy, toward the people who think that democracy should die and we should put a cesar in charge for a few years to figure things out. that's exactly who these people are. i think it is a big, big mistake. so if you believe in america, if you believe in democracy, you should not be fielding a third-party candidate in this election. you want to do it for house and senate, congressional races, local races, and maybe presidential races down the road, not this time. >> okay, we're still arguing, i think, about whether ross perot pulled more from papa bush or bill clinton in the '92 cycle. are you so sure that this would harm joe biden as compared to donald trump in 2024, if we get a rematch? >> well, i think paul, as always, has hit the nail right on the head.

people are voting against the extremists, and so those anti-extremist votes, if they get split in any way, shape or form, it tilts the balance towards the antidemocratic movement that's happening. and it's really very clear and you see liz cheney, and you see adam kinzinger, republicans who have courage who stood up to the anti-democratic movement. those voters, even in ohio when i ran, michael, we got 400,000 split ticket voters who voted for a republican governor and a democrat for senate here in ohio. because they didn't want to support the anti-democratic movement happening. and that's kind of what's happening. you throw a third-party spoiler in there, it's going to tilt the balance toward the maga crowd, the anti-democratic crowd, the people who are defending, michael, defending the people who stormed the capitol and are raising money for their legal funds. those are the people that are going to be in charge of the

government. and i think in this particular election, we can't have that. >> okay, i hear you. don't let my silence be interpreted as agreement, because i truly am one of those 44% that they try and say, well, yeah, but you lean one way or the other. and i think we, too, need a voice. i have to ask you as a prominent national democratic figure to react to this news of the day that donald trump says, i'm going to get arrested on tuesday. >> i don't think a lot of us who have been watching donald trump and his family operate over the last few years are going to be surprised by it. clearly they were doing all kinds of stuff, you look at rudy giuliani, you look at his campaign managers, his campaign team, and paul manafort and others that were surrounding him for such a long period of time, members of the trump administration, i can't say anybody is going to be surprised. but we have to be disciplined as good citizens and say, follow

the law. if he did wrong, he should be prosecuted, like any guy in youngstown, ohio, who did wrong. but he should also have due process and this needs to play out. you're a lawyer and you understand this. he has every right as a citizen to have due process. and if it goes down the road, which it looks like it's going to a prosecution and eventually a conviction, then that should be based on the merits of the case, not on the fact that we disagree with his political issues or anything else. so this has to be by the book, by the law, and it is, and we'll see where it ends up. but nobody should be surprised by this. >> doesn't the partisan side of you wish that it had been fulton county or jack smith, meaning merrick garland, and not the sex case from new york? >> i've got no comment on that, michael. but the reality is, this person, donald trump, has done a lot of wrong in a lot of areas, in a lot of states.

and i'm a monday morning quarterback, but i do wish that there were republican leaders who had courage, which many have not in the last few years when it comes to donald trump, those leaders, whether they're attorney generals in those states who balked at trying to actually administer the law and enforce the law. but you have somebody in manhattan here that sounds like they're going to do it and we should be glad that no citizen, no matter how rich, how powerful, even one that's a former president is above the law. no one in america is above the law and we're going to find that out this week. >> i'm limited on time, but is that a young tim ryan with rfk behind you? it's hard for me to see. >> no, it's a coal miner in west virginia. it's bobby kennedy campaigning with goal miners. and we've had this conversation before. that's where democrat leaders need to be.

they need to be putting their arms around coal miners and steelworkers and working class people in the south, white, black, brown, gay, straight, go after these workers. that's what bobby kennedy did and that's why i keep this picture up, as a great reminder of when the democratic party is at its best, it's putting its arms around coal miners that have coal ash and all kinds of other stuff around them. so i keep it as a reminder. >> congressman, thank you. appreciate you coming back. >> thank you. social media, what do we have in terms of reaction? smerconish, you know there isn't a chance in hell of a conviction here. with regard to trump. i've ranked previously here, many of you didn't like my ranking in terms of the cases from the four buckets that i perceive against trump. i thought mar-a-lago, obstruction, if that's what it is, was the strongest, cleanest,

straightforward. and then came the revelation of biden and pence having classified material in their houses. i get it, not an apples to apples, but it queues the case in the court of public opinion. and i thought fulton county pretty strong, and then the jury foreperson emerges and gets her 15 minutes of fame and i think plays right into trump's defense team in saying that that process, that investigation has now been watered down. to this me was the weakest of them. remember this, the feds passed on this case. if it materializes on tuesday, in terms of what we think it is. i want to remind you, vote on today's poll question at smerconish.com, please. it pertains to something totally different. is the military support given to ukraine any u.s. and nato intended just to defend against russia or is the goal here actually to win? you can use the qr code if you choose. still to come, in san francisco a reparations advisory board has submitted more than

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of 2021. other cities and towns, churches and colleges have been wrestling with this complicated issue. in 2020 california became the first state to form a reparations task force. in san francisco, blacks account for less than 6% of the residents down from 13% 50 years ago, 38% of its homeless population. critics say the payouts make no sense in a state and city that never enslaved back people. an estimate from the hoover institution puts the total cost as to each non-black family in the city at $600,000 each. a final committee report due in june. joining me to discuss the vice chair of the african american reparations advisory committee. thank you for being here. how do you -- okay, we don't have her. we do have her. i hope you're there. how are you? there she is. a technical snafu.

how do you distinguish the original sin when other groups say, wait a minute, we were discriminated against as well? >> so, i mean, obviously discrimination requires individuals to pursue legal action and there are many different groups, many different types of people that experience discrimination. but reparations is not exclusively about discrimination. it's specifically about government practices that were enacted and enforced that includes things like red lining and racially restrictive covenants, land theft, things the government participated in. there's a distinction there. >> you know that people watching this, people who have read the stories all week long are asking, how can you ever pay for it? how in the world could $5 million in payouts be achieved? >> well, that specific number is to be determined by the san francisco board of supervisors

in terms of what san francisco can afford to pay. but to your previous notion, there really is no way to quantify the damage that's been done to the black community. the behind behind the recommendations and this partnership with the city and county of san francisco is to work towards repairing the harm in the five areas we've called out and there is no timeline on how long it takes to repair centuries of harm. we have a saying, centuries of harm should be met with centuries of repair, and that extends beyond financial compensation. >> a friend who is a san franciscan said to me, the best thing that can be done for black san francisco residents is to arrest drug dealers and create more shelter. to him and to everybody else, you would say what? >> that clearly has racial undertones. what other community would a recommendation like that be made to in terms of how to stabilize

it? the issues that black americans and specifically black san franciscans have experienced are directly connected to systemic oppression and racism and we want to see that damage repaired. >> was there something unique to the black experience in the bay city or is it that the politics are so progressive there that this issue gets mature, unlike other parts of the country? >> well, obviously there are a lot of different unique factors about san francisco, one being that it's a city in the county, the other being that the out-migration of black san franciscans over a short amount of time has been drastic and significant. but in items of the traction that the conversation is getting, i think leaders in san francisco, community members in san francisco and california overall have been open to the conversation about reparations for black san franciscans and

black americans because the harm is so clear and so apparent and been documented. so we have an opportunity, and i'm glad to see the government is being responsive to that opportunity. >> thank you for your willingness to come on and educate about this issue that is receiving a lot of attention. we appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. more social media reaction. what do we have? from the world of twitter. follow me on twitter, by the way. i never remember to say that, follow me on twitter. david, as a person of color i'm sick of hearing about these reparation policies, they are divisive and will never happen, not one penny will ever be paid out. look, i read the proposal that was put forth. no one can deny, as i voiced to my guest at the original sin, the fact that we've never been able to make up for that. having said it, i think that that $5 million number and headline was harmful to this argument and cause, because that's what everybody latched onto. and, frankly, that's what i latched onto in the introduction

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