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>> this is the week when the major broadcast networks unveil their full lineup of shows. and every executive in hollywood knows how well the sopranos is doing on cable, which is a network problem. >> i think hbo altered everything for this reason alone, is there were no commercials. >> we are dependent on sponsors. >> right. >> there is so much we can do in terms of language, in terms of violence, and in terms of sex. >> to a large degree, a lot of executives were just sanding off the edges of what was interesting. >> i think hbo is looking at the world and going, okay, how can we matter? for quite a long time, movies

and boxing were the bread and butter of hbo. >> people watch a show because you're partly an [bleep] >> i think what we learned through shows like larry sanders show or oz is that we could do series television. >> there's something in the air, and it ain't love. >> oz was cutting edge in what it was willing to share with the audience. >> hit me. hit me. hit me in the face. >> complicated characters, complicated issues. and the way it was presented was so unique. >> sentence, nine years. up for parole in six. >> what they were doing at hbo was exactly what the network wasn't doing. they were breaking barriers. in a sense, you get to the sopranos, and all of a sudden, the villain is the hero. >> have some eggplant. >> i told you, i'm not hungry. >> now you won't even accept food from your own mother.

>> the sopranos was david chase's invention about this mob family, something that people hadn't seen before. the idea that a mobster is seeing a therapist. >> whatever happened to gary cooper, the strong silent type? that was an american. he wasn't in touch with his feelings. he just did what he had to do to. what they didn't know is once they got gary cooper in touch with his feelings, that they won't be able to shut them up. and then it's dysfunction this. it's dysfunction that and dysfunction all fangu. >> you have strong feelings about this. >> every decade you get somebody like peter falk's colombo or carol o'connor as archie bunker, somebody you just can't imagine anybody else afterwards. andi james gandolfini is that in tony soprano. >> i think it's supposed to be a mafia story. but i mean, it's like i said -- >> it's mostly about everyday life. >> did you know that an italian invented the telephone? >> alexander graham bell was italian? >> you see? you see what i'm talking about? antonio maucci invented the

telephone and he got robbed. everybody knows that. >> who invented the mafia. >> what? >> the sopranos kind of took the mystery out of being a mobster. and it was somehow more mundane than we guessed it would be. and yet every bit as riveting as the godfather. >> you were like a brother to me. >> the debate raged at hbo about whether you could have a guy like this as your lead. and david chase was adamant that you have to. this is who he is. and he was right. >> can you assure me that tony soprano isn't going to become a sensitive, nurturing, mellowing man? >> yes. >> oh, good. >> oh, my god. >> it's all right.

i'll be home in a couple hours. don't worry. >> i'm graduating tomorrow. >> carmela was a wife and a mother. i think first and foremost, i think as long as she kept going to church, she felt like, all right, i'm taking care of my soul. >> where's the rest of the money. >> it's everywhere. >> she goes home to her husband who's got blood on him. you know, there was no way to reconcile the two things. >> towards the end where their marriage is falling apart -- >> i used to [bleep] your husband. >> you have made a fool of me for years with these whores. >> her performance in that fight is stunningly good. it mattered to people what this couple was going through. and i remember feeling a real sense of responsibility about that. and giving the weight to the scene that it deserves. >> what? >> you know what i don't understand, tony.

what does she have that i don't have? >> suddenly, here's this tv show that everyone's talking about, but you have to pay to watch it. you know, that's how good the sopranos was. people were paying just to see that show. >> the sopranos came along and completely reestablished what the bar was. i honestly couldn't quite believe that television was communicating something that you might only see in the darkest moments and accurate moments in cinema. >> you look at the year that american beauty won the oscar, which is also the year that the sopranos debuted, and almost immediately after that, the two mediums diverge.

>> i know what i must do, but i'm afraid to do it. >> movies became much more focused on big tentpole things that can bring in as much of an audience as you possibly can. meanwhile, tv which had always been a big tent medium started going smaller and more interior and saying, all right, we want to tell stories for grownups that maybe don't get the biggest audience, but get a really passionate one. >> i had an idea of doing a show about death. >> are you smoking? >> nope. >> yes, you are. >> i heard you. >> no, i'm not. >> look, forget you'll give yourself cancer and die a slow and horrible death. you should not leave stinking up that new hearse. >> i met with carolyn and she said, i'd like to do a show about a family that runs a funeral home. and something in my head just went click. i thought, what a brilliant idea. >> i'm quitting right now. i promise. okay, i'll see you tonight.

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>> who could have possibly guessed a show about a bunch of backstabbing people with body odor on an island off borneo would become the tv hit of the summer? >> survivor was really the first truly competitive reality format. >> go! >> i started to really understand what the show was going to be about the first 20 minutes into day one. >> let's see what we got. there might be a blowtorch in there. >> we need a bathroom. >> are you guys done talking? >> richard hatch was sitting in a tree lecturing about what they should do as their group. >> nobody's working toward a particular goal. not the silly little stuff about, oh, who's going to sleep where, what are we going to do? but why are we here? >> and underneath him was this woman sue hawk, a truck driver. >> i'm a redneck. and i don't know the corporate world at all. the corporate world ain't gonna work out here in the bush. >> that was the show. >> i'm making quite a bit.

i think it probably bugs some of the guys. >> whatever it takes to win here is the point. yeah, it's a game and call it machiavellian. sure. >> we had no idea that richard hatch would be the best thing to ever happen to survivor. >> all around the country, people were on the edge of their seats waiting for the final vote to be announced. >> the winner of the first survivor competition is -- >> survivor sort of legitimized the genre. simon fuller came into my office, and his vision was one long audition. >> i've never ever heard anything like that in my life. thank you. >> what was that?

that is what you think we're looking for? >> the network was saying, we don't think we can put simon on the premise. >> no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. >> he'll scare little girls, and we think that's our audience. >> one of the worst auditions i've ever heard in my life. >> i'm like, that's the whole show. so you know, without him it's not gonna work. and it was a big fight internally. and of course we got him on and of course, that is what sparked the show. >> well, here they are. the judges have made their choices. now america, it's all up to you. >> american idol reunited the family audience in front of the tv. 9-year-olds to 90-year-olds would root for somebody on american idol. it's not like it hadn't been done before. but the way that the producers of these shows could manipulate drama, the way they could find stories, that was the core of making those shows successful. >> this is the weakest romance i've ever seen. this romance is pathetic. was there a romance?

>> well, i think we just decided we were meant to be very close friends. >> very close friends, that's right. >> i've had some very close friends. >> yeah, me too. it's cost me a lot of money. >> the apprentice has its lasting effect even today. donald trump becomes a star. >> you're fired. >> all of it kind of reality show fake. people who worked on it have come forward and said, you know, we kind of made the whole thing up, and yet it sells. >> and then there's just this explosion. >> are you interested in tattoos? weight loss? plastic surgery? >> breast augmentation, tummy tuck, facial surgery. >> hoarders, substance abuse, flipping your house -- that's a big one. like, there's literally a reality show for everyone now. >> networks would be out of business without reality tv.

if you have to fill 40 hours of television with scripted shows, it costs you an arm and a leg. you will be out of business because those scripted shows most likely will do no better and probably worse than the reality shows did. >> oh my god. >> bravo starts doing things aimed at gay viewers and women. and so you know, you have like queer eye for the straight guy. >> that taste kills. >> and project runway. >> this is a search for the next , >> project runway was not an instantaneous hit. we sort of had this crisis. we're like, is anyone going to want to sit around watching people sew. >> i am feeling the race against time now, yes. >> bravo played like three or four episodes over the christmas holidays. and all of a sudden, it just caught on like wildfire. >> make it work. >> people have come into runway and top chef, and they know that this can change their lives. >> one of you is about to win the title of top chef. >> rock and roll!

>> and we had the osbornes, and it was fun. because you know, the whole idea of, you know, the guy who bit the heads off of bats, you know, being domestic and his wife and his teenage kids. >> please don't get drunk or get stoned tonight. >> that sort of sparks this movement of we can put celebrities on tv and just let them do what they do. >> i've always heard that people hang out at walmart. >> why? >> i don't know. >> what is walmart? >> because like they sell wall stuff? >> no. >> what is that? >> of course, that reaches its peak or nadir, depending on your opinion, with the kardashians. >> i hate you all. >> welcome to my family. >> there's something about watching someone who's maybe slightly like yourself but more obnoxious. >> you're so evil. >> there's a lot of baggage that comes with us. but it's like louis vuitton baggage, you always want it. >> or they're, you know more of a disaster. >> prostitution whore. you are [bleep] engaged. you [bleep] stupid [bleep]

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at some point, it stops. >> in the year 2000, we get malcolm in the middle and this is a pivotal show for a lot of reasons. >> dude. >> not least of which because it gives us bryan cranston. but because this is a single camera comic. >> around here, being smart is exactly like being radioactive. >> single camera comedies were

funny, and the fact that you could shoot them like movies and they could be terrific every week. >> yep, class president felt really good. but later that night, i had a dream. >> you know, critics loved that because it was something new. it was something that they weren't expecting. >> you should see the traffic. the only thing moving is the carpool lane. >> hey, danny. you want a date with mama? >> get in the car. >> curb came because larry wanted to do a special. it was his, you know, just -- eh, for my life. but he would only make it with the stipulation that if he didn't like it, he could buy it back. lucky for us, he liked it. >> you trying to act like you're not with me? >> no, i'm not trying to act like i'm not with you. what are you saying? >> i'm gonna pull a [bleep] out in this thing? >> don't you dare do that.

>> the actors wouldn't get an outline for the show. they wouldn't even read what the scene was about. >> yeah. >> judy. >> judy. oh my god. >> by the way, that shelf coming down was not planned. that shelf really did come down. and larry and jeff just acted their way through it. >> what do i do? >> stick it in your jacket. >> it's too big. >> what do i plan? >> do something. >> help me up. >> i think curb in many ways is the ultimate descendant of seinfeld. it's an a much more real, truthful place where morality is a gray area. >> where's the [bleep] head? >> and everybody is redefining it all the time. >> the kid is home hysterical because her doll judy has been decapitated because you two sickos took the head for god knows what reason, some voodoo [bleep] you're doing. >> larry and i would play a game of worst case scenario. >> i was talking to a friend of mine, and he's a survivor. and he would love to meet you. would it be possible, i mean,

for me to bring him to dinner? i mean, i don't know. >> of course. >> you would take the basic premise from something that actually happened and then just exploit it. >> where's this survivor? what? >> he's the survivor, from the television show. >> the guy from the survivor tv show and the holocaust survivor get into an argument about who had it worse. >> i'm saying we spent 42 days trying to survive. we had very little rations, no snacks. >> snacks? why you talking snacks? they didn't eat, sometimes all week, for a month. i ate nothing. >> i couldn't even work out when i was over there. they certainly didn't have a gym. >> a what? >> i mean, i wore my sneakers out and then the next thing, you know, i've got a pair of flip flops. >> flip flops? >> they flip on the ground. >> that was to me larry david at his best because he managed to take a subject that no one really find funny and make it hilarious and palatable. >> i am a survivor. >> i'm a survivor. >> i'm a survivor. >> is there any taboo that you

wouldn't break? >> no, not if it was a funny idea. >> it's all about funny. >> yeah. >> so this is the magic trick, huh? >> illusion, michael. a trick is something a whore does from money. >> arrested development was absolutely firing on all cylinders from the first episode to the last. >> don't you judge me? you're the selfish one. you're the one who charged his own brother for a bluth frozen banana. i mean, it's one banana, michael. what could it cost, $10. >> you've never actually set foot in the supermarket, have you? >> if you got it, it was the funniest thing you ever saw. because it assumed its audience was as smart as its writers. >> when you got there, don't be afraid to make a -- >> i'm not gonna beat myself up over that. >> it was so clever and more meta than just about any show that's ever been on television. >> your average american male is in a perpetual state of adolescence, you know, arrested development. >> hey, that's the name of the show. >> it was really smart in the eye that you can kind of break all these rules, and also have a

lot of characters on a comedy who were extremely unlikable. >> there are a lot more important things than jokes in a comedy. jokes aren't the most important thing in a comedy. >> what's the most important thing? >> character. >> that's all stuff. you just like take control of the body and it's all that now, isn't it? >> yeah. >> busy? >> yeah, keeping up morale. >> can we have a chat? >> yeah. >> i'd watched the british show the office. it's one of the greatest cringe shows of all time. >> no, i don't have a great many ethnic employees. that's true, but it's not company policy. i haven't got a sign on the door that says white people only. you know, i don't care if you're black, brown, yellow. orientals make very good workers. >> whassup?

>> don't do that. >> when a decision was made to make an american version -- >> whassup? >> whassup? whassup? >> there was there was a lot of head shaking of, oh god, american tv -- they're gonna ruin it. >> are they breathing? >> no, rose. they are not breathing, and they have no arms or legs. >> no, that's not part of it. >> where are they? >> it used the same mockumentary format that the british show had. >> oh my god. >> dwight. >> what are we doing? >> we search for the organs. where's the heart, the precious heart? >> that show works. everybody you go to in that cast is hilarious. >> oh my god. >> oh my god. >> dwight! >> the mockumentary format, it was different and all of a sudden it became something that you just realized the audience was very comfortable and very conversant. >> hey, park lady.

>> yeah? >> you suck. >> hear that? he called me park lady. >> the office, parks and rec, modern family, the conceit is they're making a documentary. >> i'm okay, i'm good. i'm good. the idea of these shows is, you know, they sit down on the couch or they catch them in a separate part of the office, and everybody does a confessional like reality television. >> i've gained a few extra pounds while we were expecting the baby, which has been very difficult. but apparently your body does a nesting, very maternal primal thing where it retains nutrients, some sort of molecular physiology thing. but that's science. you can't fight it. >> we didn't need to explain that there's a documentary, because like, yeah, it's a documentary. we don't need to know who he's talking about. i got it. and it's funny. >> this year's emmy nominations have been announced. the comedy series 30 rock was the top nominee. >> 30 rock. >> 30 rock is having the last

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people were concerned, should we stop airing it because it's a war story and now the country is at war again? >> it turned out to be something that was necessary. because now almost every american, i think, felt as though they had enlisted in something that they had not enlisted in before. after 9/11, we were all part of something. >> we deserve long and happy lives in peace. >> i know that face. >> historical dramas of the founding of the nation have been overly rosy. >> when i go to the cupboard and i find no coffee, no sugar, no pins, no meat, am i not living politics? >> one of the things that was amazing to me about john adams was it was done as realism. >> we will fight for what is rightfully hours. >> what will you probe? >> a brutal and illegal act to

enforce a political -- >> just the grittiness of founding a nation. >> and liberty will reign in america. >> and trying to figure out what a president is. >> god bless george washington, president of the united states. >> it's a gift to be given 12 hours on hbo. god help you if you don't have something to say. >> let's understand each other. in our western district, i'm not a narco. i don't dirty people, because i don't give a [bleep] about a possession charge. i'm a murder police. and they're about the bodies. >> david simon was a newspaper reporter in baltimore. he spent a year embedded with the baltimore homicide unit to write a book. he and ed burns, who was a police officer, got together and said, well, what if we tell the whole story of the death of the american city, the futility of the war on drugs, through the eyes of cops? of drug dealers? >> i've got the best territory

and no kind of product. >> i got the best product, but could stand a little more territory. >> of teachers, of politicians. just make the entire city into the character itself. >> you follow drugs, you get drug addicts and drug dealers. but you start to follow the money, and you don't know where the [bleep] it's gonna take you. >> the wire broke down systemic racism and the cycle of poverty like no other television show had. >> come on, get up. school day. y'all gonna be late. let's go. >> it wasn't just about, hey, look at these black kids chilling drugs on the street. you were in the apartment with them, where they had no parents, where they were taking care of their siblings, where they were

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in news, it splinted largely along political lines. >> you're watching fox news, real journalism. >> roger wheels had the brilliant idea of creating a network for conserves, fox news. >> the controversy over john kerry and vietnam war medal it's gotten worse. >> ms nbc kind of stumble i do not the idea of a liberal county part. >> people watch fox news think thinking there's news, the conspirator theorists and pin heads. >> there was no longer a shared factual basis for political views, we didn't all go home and watch walter cronkite. >> on fire. on the left, james car vel and paul. on the right, robert novack and tucker carlson. in the cross fire. >> i remember when john stewart went on cross fire, it was 2024 john kerry was the democratic presidential nominee facing george w bush and i thought

watching it this will be a 91 enoree show. >> can i say something quickly? why do we have to fight? >> ha half >> the two of you can't >> say something nice about john kerry now. >> i care about john kerry >> and something about president bush. >> he'll be unemployed soon. >> i think anyone who enjoyed paying attention to the news and watch the daily show will forever remember john stewart going on cross fire and reading those guys the riot act. >> you're doing theater when you should be doing debate. which would be great. it's not honest, >> it's not honest. what you do is partisan hackery. >> you had john kerry on your show sniff his thrown and you're accusing us us of partisan hackery. >> you're on cnn the show that leads into me is puppets making crank phone calls, what is wrong with you? >> comedians and satire when done wright will take on hypocrisy where it comes from.

>> i believe the vice president and his wife love their daughter. i think they love her very much. and you can't have anything but respect for the fact that they're willing to talk about the fact that they have a gay daughter. >> yes. we admire your love for your gay daughter. >> if they stepped in it. a trusted comic will bring it to the forefront i think that's what people like about the daily show. >> there's an upcoming election evidently i didn't know that, you're the chief political correspondent, every two years we elect a brand new house of representatives, third of the senate called big term elections, he will president, i can't be running around every two years voting i have a life. >> i not have lived without the

daily show and colbert becomes the companion show, so compelling to watch, hilarious pseudo conservative dumb guy, who are the heros? the people who watch this show of >> average hard working americans you're not the i elites, not the country club. steven would say it himself, was he was playing a character. >> the book is the nine inside the secret spooky world of the supreme court. >> steven had the to respond in real time to the guests as his character, not as himself. which was an incredible feat of acts as well as journalism.

>> how much did the justices political views play a role how they decide case >> why would political views go into it these guys, except the activist judges four liberal activist judges would affect them because they're judges. but the conservative judges are not activists, they're in activists >> they -- yeah, i guess you're exactly right. >> what i remember is the moment that barack obama was named president of the united states >> cnn projects that barack obama is the next president of the united states of america, it is now official. he has passed the 270 electoral votes. >> when you watched the tape, you can see the colbert begins to cry. and that character can't cry. because that's not what the character does. and john stewart he loves colbert so much as a human being he covers for colbert.

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chasing after middle eastern terrorists becomes most timely thing on television because that's all america could tam to a talk about after 9/11. >> the name is it's 24 episodes in a season, each episode one hour in day and jack bauer has the worst days. >> running out of time. pull the trigger. >> employees don't make me do this cif you care about me, you will pull the trigger. >> sorry, i can't. >> pull the trigger. pull the trigger. i can't do it. >> the commercial breaks in that show were almost welcome so that you could catch your breath. 24 was really the first bin show if you think about it. there were a lot of people in the later years of 24 that would only about the dvds. >> you think he'll come after you. >> yes, and a lot of the subjecties and complexities the storytellers had been doing my god this is blowing me and my i can see it now because i just

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>> i remember gathering at a friend's house to watch. and it was long enough ago and the internet was still young enough and social media was i mean, not -- it was what, friendster? jj abrams ambition for the lost pilot was grandiose. he always talked about it as making a movie every week. i think when we say the word cinematic, what we really mean is opening it up a little bit more, but also the ambition of an action set piece. jj was very aggressive, he's like if you want me to do this pilot, you'll need to give me the resource in order to do it and i want to shoot it as a movie and we got to keep that bar up. >> you start off you think this is just a survival drama here's people plane crashed how will

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perform the and rehearse it like a play in front of a studio audience. when someone gets a laugh on that stage, they actually hold as you do not in real life as you do in single camera holding for that laugh. >> it's an abstract >> not abstract enough. >> you done an amazing job. >> looks like something what does it look like? >> you can get close you can even touch it. >> i'm fine. >> this is bugging me. where have i seen this before >> i started studying what phil rosenthal was doing with raymond and he was embracing the best of what the genre could do, which was interesting characters, he

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>> must be humbling to suck on so many different levels. >> big bang had this weird hurdle, not only are you fighting natural fight about getting the audience stay on the air and keep your job. >> oh, no. >> this is why i wanted to have a costume meeting. >> then there was also a weird wave of energy coming like you're in a genre that we're done with this, we don't want to see this anymore. >> the emmy goes to >> jim paul, the big bang theory. >> obviously we didn't go away and i believe strongly that the multi-cam the way they're shot in front of the studio audience you hear the people laughing, ignites something that's innate in all of us pry mall almost which is that desire to gather as a group and hear a story. >> laura, look. live from new york, it's

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>> just tltl we're already doing this show about rome. >> thieves will be strangled. desserters will be crucified. >> david took the underlying theme of his rome show and put it in dead wood. >> no law at all in dead wood. is that true? . >> set of nero, there was a lot of order and no law, dead wood was a similar environment. >> maybe you don't value keeping your guts inside your belly enough. >> those are the days behind us, no, those are the days to my (bleep) left >> the character just steals the show just lock, stock and barrel away from everybody else. you kind of want to go in that lesson of his and have a drink and try to engage him in conversation, but then you say to yourself, that would be a good idea? i say something wrong i'm going to get my guts cut out with a booey knife? he's a fascinating character in

that he scares and attracts you at the same time. that's kind of a rare thing. >> can we see your fangs? my step daddy hated vampires. we don't. >> i think true blood was an enjoyable beach read. with blood all over it. you'd say well, it wasn't many times to be taken seriously. it wasn't taking itself seriously. except it was such a big alagoywith what's going on with the gay community. >> you used an anti-vampire trovert. >> there's monsters all over. >> but the scariest most deadly characters in the whole show. >> let me go and have a dead vampire. >> are the human beings. >> show time looked at tony

saprano and they said you want an anti-hero? how about a mass murderer, who's the hero of our show? dexter based on a series of novels about blood splatter expert worked for the miami pd who is secretly a serial killer. >> soon you'll be packed into a few neatly wrapped hefties. and my own small corner. world. will be a neater happier place. >> he was raised by a policeman to channel his social pathic impulls to only kill other killers, so he's a bad guy but a good guy. >> i kill reprehensible people. the idea is maybe you're to identify and maybe root for a serial killer. he killed horrible be people.

if i was killing people willy-nilly i think all bets would be off. >> where is the fun in that. >> in the 2000s, the anti-hero really rose to prominence. >> that's a -- >> don't point that there. >> nice work. hate to see it >> and i think they were popular because they were surprising. >> you're a free woman. you struck a deal. the da dropped the charges. >> thank you. >> a show for me that was incredibly memorable was damages. now, where is the tape? >> it really was about following the twisted relationship of patty and ellen. >> what are you looking at her for. >> fraud, conspiracy, obstruction of justice. >> mr. night tells us you might

have reason for your own wanting to take down ms. hughes. >> yes. i do. >> i was just so taken with the fact that there was this incredibly dark unapologetically morally compromised lead character, who was a woman. >> i told pete to have you killed. it was sort of the beginning of a real emergence of rich women on television. >> sure take my last one. somehow. >> is this cab free? are you (bleep) nuts >> i have heard unnecessary jackie referred to as an anti-hero. she was at the mercy of her addiction. that always got her fullest

attention. >> what are you looking at. >> beyond that, i think she really cared there wasn't money in the budget for extra blankets for someone who came in off the street and she would go and steal it from another department. she wanted to be a good nurse, wanted to be married, kids and good wife and mother. >> why do you always have to work? >> yeah. >> and there was no way she could do all of them. >> mommy. >> edie, falco for me can do no wrong. >> she's the female anti-hero with the own show and she's the ones who's more likelies are questionable because she's having an affair. >> can't talking love you. >> she's stealing drugs and is she an unfit mother and all those things and you feel for

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he's actually secretly a man named dick whitman, stolen the identity of the real don draper due to an incident during the korean war, living another man's life battling his own demons at the same time and seen him rise and fall over the course of the 1960's. >> in a lot of ways the most interesting show was peggy olson's career. she goes from this little church mouse secretary to a tough and bold confident career woman >> i like the way she's handing out the pops >> knows what she can do and will try to get it even during a really sexist period for the industry, when it was so hard for a woman to get anything. >> can you get me coffee, peggy? >> no, the female characters in mad men are great because they represent different aspects of what women were going through at that time. >> glide around that office like some magnificent ship. >> i had this incredible experience of reading the for them in him mistook and sex and

the single girl in the same week and said this is my show. >> the heros of mad men were the women and the men were obstructions of one kind or another. >> i'm here all day alone with them, out numbered. >> carla doesn't she count. >> it's not her job to raise our children. >> it was incorporating the music of the times, the images of the times, the history of the times, and the attitudes of the times. >> tell me we'll have to find out. >> what color pan teas are you wearing >> what? >> blue, who had blue? >> can i walk you home? mad men had absolutely no nostalgia for the period, showed that people were jerks and

adulters and ka knifers even back in the glory days officers 1960's how they communicated the kennedy assassination was actually exactly as it came to pass. >> they drew the pistols because the damage was done. the back seat of a car. >> everything stopped, nothing seemed important ever again. and it just so happened to be the weekend that roger's daughter was getting married. it was a big wedding. i would put mad men and sapranos in a position of the most important shows of the history of television. >> i was about to turn 40 years old and this is 2004 two years

after the end over the x files kind of at sea wasn't sure what to do next, frankly was having trouble getting employed. mi buddy tom had been on the x files too and he said i think we should put a meth lab in the back of an rv, and you know, see america make some dough on the side. he's got a warped sense of humor. but when i heard that idea >> i thought to myself, what if i really did that? what would it take? then i thought well i made money really bad why would i need money. >> lung cancer inoperable. >> we pitched breaking bad to not only a handful of places some people liked it some not so much, it kind of been dead six months a year something like that. and suddenly i hear hey, would you like to go meet the folks at amc? they're interested in doing

breaking bad. >> surprise. >> when we were making the decision to do breaking bad, we absolutely were looking for an anti-hero show. and we wanted a guy that was going against the grain. >> dad, come check this out. >> i see it. >> come on, take it. >> check it out, walt. >> they tell you you need a good one sentence pitch and i came up with we're going to take mr. chips and turn him into scar face. what we were really going for was change. walter white says it the first hour of the show. >> electrons, they change their energy levels, molecules change their bonds. >> breaking bad was a study in change. >> we got the money, money ♪ ♪. >> the change that happens to one character as he deinvolves from good to bad.

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while it's tempting to play it safe, the more we're willing to risk, the more alive we are. in the end, what we regret most are the chances we never took. >> there's an old showbiz axiom. you've got to get off the stage before somebody says, "hey, you should get off the stage." ♪ >> endings are hard in general. and i think "the sopranos" was able to accomplish this thing that everybody in television is always trying to accomplish, which is do something that no one has ever seen before.

♪ >> tony is meeting the family at a restaurant, and we're listening to a journey song and watching as one by one the family members come in, and there's these sinister people lurking around. ♪ strangers waiting ♪ >> we were wondering, was tony going to survive this? was tony going to be shot? what was going to happen? >> [ bleep ]. >> they're cutting to meadow parking the car. you know, all these things that are completely normal, but they're imbued with this dread. ♪ don't stop believing hold on to that feeling ♪ >> nothing's happening. they're enjoying a family meal, listening to journey. ♪ street lights people ♪ >> and it's building and it's building. ♪ don't stop ♪ >> the long black in which everybody said, did i just lose my hbo signal? what's going on there?

i actually thought was kind of like the chord at the end of "sergeant pepper" in which nine pianos just hit this long, long major boooonnng, and it goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. that black was sort of like what the series needed in order to communicate the fact that it is now officially over. >> as for "sopranos" creator david chase, he got whacked in the headlines. he got whacked by the "new york post" cartoonist, who showed fans getting whacked. and chase literally got whacked online. >> three or four days later carlton and i were in new york talking to a couple of television critics about how amazing it was. and they're like oh, there's a lot of controversy about the "sopranos" finale. and we're like, what? they're like oh, yeah, some people just absolutely hate it. the whole cut to black, it's pretentious, nobody knows what it means. they're all discussing whether tony is alive or dead. we're like, those are all the things that make it brilliant!

right then we realized we were completely and totally [ bleep ]ed. >> if you've been fortunate enough to be successful, they've gone along for a long ride with you. and the viewer has a throughline for every character and the show that you could never possibly have. >> you know i love you, right? more than anything. >> of course, honey. >> so it is a fool's errand to try and please anyone but yourself when you're writing a series finale. >> finales have become increasingly more important. if you don't do a really good finale to a really good series, the series can sort of lose its luster. but "six feet under" comes up with a perfect ending, and the show is even enhanced a little bit.

the end of "six feet under" has the daughter just driving away in the car, and music starts to play. it's sia's "breathe me." and she looks up in the rearview mirror. so she's looking backwards. but then the show looks ahead. ♪ ouch, i have lost myself ♪ ♪ lost myself ♪ >> that season ended, and everybody died. and i thought it was brilliant. >> the work on tv is as good as any work that's on a big screen. and so that hierarchy of film

and television i think has been changed dramatically. partially because of the great work that people did at hbo, and also because of the work they did at a lot of other places. >> i've waited a long time for this. >> coming up as an actor, film was the thing. tv was like less than. >> i said bull [ bleep ]. >> so to suddenly be in an era where we could tell these rich stories -- >> entrance has been gained! >> -- and really create the suspense of them and the trajectory of them. >> get over whatever it is and do your job. >> in ways that maybe we couldn't necessarily in film. i do think that led to where we are now where everybody wants to do tv. >> sit down, you guys.

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