expected to be in uniform and ready to deploy. this is according to an internal memo, this is a source who shared this with cnn. officials set up security cameras and barricades as you can see in this video. this is near the courthouse where the grand jury investigation is taking place. i want to bring in my panel, we have new jersey's finest, -- i didn't prove this. elie honig, we also have rabbi jay michaels. in the always opinionated patrick mcenroe, and uconn expert linette lopez. also joining us as former secret service agent jonathan walker. great to have you. jonathan, let's start with you, because of your secret service agent hat. president trump has called on his supporters to, quote, take our nation back. and so, given your law enforcement skills, do you think, what do you think that we will see on the day that he is indicted? if he is indicted? >> well, alison, good evening. the first thing, i'm like

january 6th, law enforcement is prepared for any eventuality that may come out or in response to any type of court action against the former president. while we are not seeing any signs of large groups that are actually animating around trump's call for protest, law enforcement does not taking any chances. and what we have been seeing all day and the last few days is careful coordination between state, federal, and local police and law enforcement agencies. you know, really coming up with consequence management. how do they manage every type of eventuality that could come out, whether it is peaceful protest all the way up to, you know, acts of violence. so i think what we are seeing great now is a lot of planning. hopefully a lot of that planning is not necessary. it doesn't materialize. but law enforcement to new york city's definitely ready for it. >> well i mean that against the january 6th silver lining, they'd learn something after that. and to be repaired for whatever could be a big advanced. back to my panel here for a second. do we think that former

president trump still has the power to summon 1000 bloodthirsty protesters to on his behalf to express outrage if something happens to him? >> i think that one thing we saw in the court appearance after court appearance of the january 6th years if they didn't seem to think there would be consequences for what they did. and now it seemed online that people realized, like, if you listen to donald trump there will be consequences. you might go to jail, you might not get to live in your mom's basement like jason, you know, the qanon or whatever. anymore. so i think people now see that this is a boondoggle. it is not worth it to others put yourself only one for don't trump because he is not going to xavier. >> that is interesting. >> good point about the effect. i would add, having worked in this exact area for eight and a half years, where this courthouse is. are all you will see there is cops meaning fbi, and we have cloudy, secret service, u.s. marshals, prosecutors not the

prosecutors we are really gonna do anything to fight in our near restaurants. and court houses and jails. that is all there is down there. it is one of the most densely secured pieces of land in the country. >> and in fact, law enforcement and jonathan can back us up on this. we are not seeing the kind of online chatter and not seeing the kind of preparations and in fact i think that the capitol police said that they have not received any requests for permits, or demonstrations, or marches. >> well this isn't really the get a permit crowd of protesters, right? but i do think it is true, for me, once shame on you, for me twice, shame on me. these guys have been burned before. politically, dealing with the optics, sort of another violent protest would not favor trump, right? politically? this would kind of characterize this whole wing of the republican party fairly or unfairly as this kind of violent gang. and i don't know that this is, it is not legal people who do a lot of political calculations either. but kind of sitting on the

sidelines the idea that this might be actually a peaceful protest of people airing their grievances, well, that will be good for the trump wing of the party. >> i think that is exactly what trump is open for. i mean, say what do you want about trump, i mean, the guy to me, the guys a genius. i am reading woodward's book, reading wolf spoke, earlier on his presidency everyone was saying this guy is crazy, everything is chaotic in the white house. >> what part of the genius part? >> each one is part of that he knows what he's doing. he knows who is playing to. he knows that by putting this out there he is going to gain even more credibility if that is the word with his team. now with the rest of the public, it is going to be shaky. if he gets indicted these things keep coming down the pipe, that is going to be more and more difficult i think for him to raise money. but it sort of feels like he is running out of time. >> that is because he can raise money off this. it sounds -- like >> he's going to try. to whether or not he can is i think up for debate at this point. i'm not sure he can. he definitely can rally the base. but can you get the huge financial backing that he was

able to get in this previous couple of runs for the presidency? that i think is very much a up for debate right now, real shaky. >> jonathan also strikes me that in terms of peoples grievances as we were just talking about, thinking that an election has been stolen are being told on election has been stolen plays on people's anger more than donald trump paid off a porn star to hide an alleged affair. i don't know if that makes you travel across the country and take up arms? >> yeah, i mean, listen, we know that the former president can draw a crowd, a very large crowd, very quickly. but what is really interesting is since he put out that message, you know, a few days ago. you know, calling for, you know, protests in new york. we are just not seeing that rallying cry as we have before. we are not seeing the crowds marshaling on line, giving that support in that cold action. i don't want to say cold arms but call to even action in new york city. you know, in preparation really

for any type of court action. i just want to go back to the security aspect of this for just one quick second. you know, what is really interesting in talking about sort of the what we refer to as the genus of donald trump, right, there is a lot of focus on the courthouse and the courthouse and the courthouse. but nypd another law enforcement entities have to be, you know, there remains the entire city of new york. so there could be a wildcard -- decide to have a rally me with his supporters. the -- real focus of the nypd, that's why they have to really just beyond their toes and sharing the rapid response capabilities to any type of eventuality. so is really interesting, they are trying to predict the unknown here with donald trump. and we have -- >> patrick, what about that? do you think the people have not been as motivated because of this alleged crime as they

were when they thought something it's been stolen from them. >> i think the individuals that will protest will be still motivated. but i think when you are talking about running for president once you obviously want to do that again, the backing of the big money players will not necessarily be there if this indictment comes out. i think for this base the people it will come out for him, they will be there to some extent, but new york city knows how to deal with this better than any seen a country -- >> from a signature on the road, he is not coming to new york city's not gonna stop talking, gonna do rallies all over the country. maybe in places over -- a call to action a new york city, this isn't necessarily his town. as a new yorker, i think we have suffered enough. but, you know, this isn't the end. and this and not the last indictment. and this is not the last story

is gonna tell. this isn't the last way he's gonna spin it. so -- >> i understand that that is what people are predicting, but we don't know, we don't know if there will be an indictment here, we don't know if there will be featured items, it just feels as though things are gathering steam, elie correct me if i'm wrong from the legal standpoint. doesn't it feel as though things are getting closer. >> yeah, this indictment is clearly an endgame, putting their final what is, they have given donald trump his chance to go in, he sent in that lawyer robert costello today, it tells me that they are now at the decision point. do we present this as prosecutors to a grand jury and ask them to indict, or do we pass on doing that. >> and do you think that, i mean, with all of this in the ether, do you think that alvin bragg would pass on this? >> i think he has gone too far, i think he has led everyone to far down that path to double back now. but i do have real doubts now with this case. i mean when i step back and look at this case i think that the conduct is borderline, really talking about just putting this expense of being

the money in the wrong column on the internal spreadsheets basically. i think the evidence as far as we know and there's a lot we don't know but as far as what we do know is shaky and here's another thing. the consequences here that people have this fantasy of donald trump ending up in prison, it is very likely not going to happen off of this case. this is either going to be a misdemeanor, nobody is going to jail on a misdemeanor. you look at the books and it says up to one year. sorry, no one is going to jail on a first time non violent misdemeanor. now there is a variation where they could get it up to a classy felony, it is the lowest level felony. again, if you practice in new york it is quite rare for someone first-time convicted nonviolent classy felony, likely not sure but likely not going to go to prison. so what is even the endgame here? and i think one that makes a really good point, by leading with the weakest case, it does land fuel to this claim of victimhood. they are trying to take out the leader, he front runner in the republican party over the mischaracterization of hush

money payoff to a porn star. it sounds ridiculous. >> and this is why i think to all of what really just said, this is why trump is loving this. because he is not going to go to jail. it is a crime so to speak that isn't that serious when you look at the grand scheme of things. when you look at georgia and you look at january 6th. that is the stuff that has got some meat on it. this one is just locker room talk if you will. >> heard that before. the winner on this one has to be run and, islam how he managed to we both know trump side both with that line of i don't know it is like to pro of a prostitute for a end -- >> politically that was quite astute. thank you all very much. all right, in the wake of the bank runs that we have seen over the past week is every bank now too big to fail? is that a weak issue to consider them? what about every day americans who are bearing the brunt of rising interest rates? we have a lot to discuss and we will be right back.

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we are on right now. what is going on with banks? are all banks too big to fail at this point? that is how we are treating them, we are also back with jake, patrick, from an. atlanta, can you explain after the svb bank situation. was this a teachable moment for all of us? what are we supposed to be thinking about whether our money is safe and banks? >> i think in america we have a very sophisticated bank system. i don't think depositors should lose their money in american banks. that is something that is currently being debated in washington. et cetera. but remember, in svb, in signature bank. the shareholders will not be compensated. the bottled is what we complicated. and the executives are in trouble. i don't think that is too big to fail. that is failure. these companies no longer exist. >> so the way that happened is how theoretically it is

supposed to happen. when the worst comes to pass. if the worst comes to past that is an example of some of the way it should go down. >> exactly, now, the three banks that have failed were all very heavily focused on silicon valley which is currently, you know, having its bubble popped in the market. tech stocks not doing great, start-ups crypto, all of that is not doing well. now the interest rates have gone up. and so these banks didn't hedge, they didn't have other sources of income. to manage that risk as their assets went down. and so they exploited. the question is, is this contagious? people are worried about the other regional banks, people are worried about banks that have a lot of deposits that are above $250, 000, which is the fdic security limit. but i don't think that the other regional banks in the united states where run like these banks that took on a lot of risk from silicon valley. we will learn, hopefully how we want to deal with banks that

are smaller in size, maybe we need to put in place regulations that we had once rollback during the trump administration. but i don't think silicon valley is going to learn much. we will have another explosion, and we will have another deterioration. like this again coming from that sector. in the meantime the fed is going to continue raising rates. because it is that is how it is managing inflation. and the risk is not over for actors and our economy. those who went a little over their skis. during the last run in stocks and other assets. >> i think your question, excuse me, alison, i think this was an example of where actually the federal government not just here in the united states but also in europe with what happened with credit suisse and in switzerland what that government when it got involved, actually the system is working. they did the right things, regulators did the right things. to your point, lynette, there was clearly mismanagement at the top of silicon valley bank. so should we as individuals be worried, no. but if you are gonna take a big

chance as they did at that bank then you are gonna lose and you're gonna lose big. so for the mid size, we need small and mid sized banks all over the country for the good of the economy and the good of small town. but it assurance to have those big banks behind you supporting them. so i think the danger is for those small and mid level banks over the course of the next few months where everyone is a little bit shaky about their deposits in those particular banks. >> it is an open kimono moment is what i would say, of all of these regional banks that will have to say that this is what we are holding, this is what we are market. this is the value of the assets that we have. and you can judge for yourselves in the market whether or not this is goodenough. and whether or not we are solid. you know, wall street has had questions about regional banks for a while, because they are the main holders of commercial real estate in this company. in this country, and you know that americans aren't going to work the way that they used to. we are not going to the office the way they used to. so it makes sense that we are wondering, hey, what are these assets worth? we need to understand this and become more educated as

investors and market participants. but do i think that there is enough money in the regional banks to handle this? yes, this is a psychological panic. and i don't -- >> i don't know if it is just psychological, right, i think we can have two different conversations. the conversation about did they handle this crisis appropriately? not bailing out the shareholders but making sure the depositors were actually taking care of, for sure, that is one conversation. the of the conversation is you fact about what about all of the other uninsured deposits, right? part of the reason why you have silicon valley bank blowup and signature bank blowup is because they had respectively over 90% at over 80% of uninsured deposits. that type of concentration tends to lead to people having a lot of issues. dealing with a mcfly going to be will get my money out of the bank. the other issue to your point talking about the commercial real estate problem that we have all across this country and all across the globe, you just had blackstone quietly just actually default on a 560 million dollar loan payment over in europe. no one is really talking about

that. so is there going to beacons some contagion, no one can say. but i think the real question is when you have gianna tailing getting on television saying no we are not going to bail out all of the uninsured edibles utters moving forward, this was a special case and a special case only. i think then the question becomes in the case of all of these the ranks, maybe they don't have 90 or 80 but they do blow up, what happens to those banks as well? >> there is also communication gap here, i mean i think there is a real perception that this is wall street versus main street. and i think maybe around this table we understand that preventing attention it's an important thing. again, that is what i just said this is bailing out depositors but not the shareholders. so it is not really a bailout. and yet at the same time there is a profound anger on main street that whenever he rich people get in trouble or they get over their skis they get a bailout or they get their funds covered, and these are two average americans hearing that is a accounts overturning $50,000. i mean, that is an unimaginable amount for the large majority of americans. and i think we should kind of

take this a little more serious. and some of the rage that fills the sort of populist right is rooted in this economic reality. in which some people do very well and some people have nothing. well i think even to that point yes, two of $3,000 for the average american right now who doesn't have, you know, 5000 foreign emergency seems like a nose or tomato money. but most poor people aren't actually hiring people to do other work. and so if we recognize that we have small businesses that are the backbone of our economy. most of them have payroll accounts and they also have receivable accounts and all of these different accounts, so if you are talking about a situation where people who run our government and our making these decisions are going out on tv and saying, aka, injecting uncertainty in the marketplace and saying moving forward we might not be bailing out individuals at those smaller banks, i think that to me is something that isn't discussed, and i think that something that we have to get to the bottom of. because that is what they are telling the marketplace, and that's what this administration and people moving forward thinking, i think that we have

got bigger problems that don't actually need to exist. >> i am not arguing the economic plan on both sides of the aisle there is an understanding that, again, the small businesses are the backbone of the economy can't have small business that took ten years to build disappear overnight because they would lose their deposits. but i think, again, on both sides of the aisle there is been a real failure to communicate what is at stake. to make it understandable to people, again, who see things in a much more stark way and what we have just discussed. >> there was a failure to communicate what was at stake when the trump ministration rollback regulations require these banks to keep a certain of capital to avoid situations like this. so -- we don't really talk, about and it is really boring, i mean, i do it for a living but i don't expect other people to want to do it. >> we can see that. >> but i understand why it is very boring to think about bank regulation but in this case we are seeing the real world consequences of 2018 of a push to deregulate. and also these banks that were then deregulated taking a lot of risk on stupid stuff like crypto.

>> i think jay's point is great about the fact that a lot of people are just off. and they have every right to be passed off. but let's also remember that overall u.s. economy despite all the interest rates rising is doing pretty well. i mean, you have an aging population and you look at the job numbers, they are as high as their venue. have an aging population and you have the fact that this fiscal policy is ending on any of the fact that because of covid how much things have changed in the last couple of years the productivity and with how people are working from home. with the july za'shawn. so there's a lot of things changing. but overall, again, i am looking at the positive. here the governor did the right thing, and overall we are doing pretty well. >> somehow you all made the strict super compelling. so i totally reject -- actually one of those former members of the board -- rollback of -- he thought that crypto itself was under attack. and i think maybe trying to

spread out that political race, the partition -- thought there was going to be singled out and the only right saying -- >> why do crypto attack the bank? that is the question. >> both can be true. >> guys, this is fantastic, i didn't know i was going to have to wrap you so hard on the banks subject. thank you all very much, stick around because president chinese president xi meets with vladimir putin at the kremlin calling the russian leader has dear friend. do americans need to be paying more attention to what is happening there in that picture? we will talk about that next.

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>> you're a pioneer. yes exactly. >> chinese leader xi jinping and vladimir putin slyly and shaking hands in moscow today. this is a critical time russia's invasion of ukraine. and she is framing himself as a possible peacemaker. is this moment a wake up call for the u.s. and for all of us? we are back now with my panel. what are we to make, jay, of that photo of president xi and president putin there, smiling, talking about -- >> for me this is reaping the fruits of four years whites addition is monday sort of rhetoric against china that hasn't been backed up by the kind of meaningful action that would actually prevent this from happening. but, you know, maybe there is, like, a kind of silver lining to this cloud. which to me feels really ole miss. for people who care about fighting authoritarianism. to see two authoritarian leaders kind of reconcile in this way, the silver lining is that ironically, you, know mean

executor china, right? it took somebody who is a hawk against communism to actually reach out to china in the first place. maybe she has the level of credibility that could actually float some kind of proposal down to end the war in ukraine. but to me this is profoundly disturbing. >> i sincerely doubt she has any real intentions of peace and ukraine. i think what he is trying to do is bolster putin, bolster that kind of ideology, but at the same time he has to walk a fine line. because china's economy is still recovering from covid. it is still highly dependent on trade to, experts to the eu and the u.s., so while she is going to relieve backup putin, what we need to watch is what he does. does he send weapons? do does trade when russia and china does, that increase? just trying to pick up the slack in terms of purchasing energy from russia? and how would they get it to china? because that is a land fruit, and we are on the seas? >> well, i, mean a few things.

>> a lot of things. a lot to work out. >> i think number one, i would disagree with you, again, i just have to be that person. look, this began in the big stage in 2012 when president barack obama said that we had last horses in and bayonets that we needed to start thinking about different things. now that might have seemed crazy until two years later we had russia going and invaded crimea. and at president did nothing. and i was co-pilot is back, and the tank several across the border. we should have said something when the russian hackers attacked our fuel supply with the colonial pipeline. we should've done something when the russian hackers hiked our beef supply with the -- packers, nothing was done, nothing was said. and now we have again a reluctant allies joined at the hip to your point about the energy supply, yes, congratulations the number one exporter of actual oil to the chinese communist party right now is russia.

they have surpassed saudi arabia, they have exports going to china, they have one of 55%. we are looking at what is happening on the other way, their exports to russia have gone up 22%. so, yes, happy days are here again for the russians, and for the chinese people. before the rest of the world who are terrified because rachel should have seen this coming and we have done nothing to prevent it from happening. >> i am not sure what we could do, you make a valid point, but the hawk response is then, what? because if you want to call it the biden doctrine, i'm not sure he has won, but if you look at what he has done he has tried to get us back in good graces with our nato partners, particularly with what has happened between russia and ukraine. so he has tried to rebuild what essentially he argued trump dissipated, got rid of it. so if you want to go down that road of playing hard ball, which my instincts sometimes is to do that too, like, screw china, we should take it a harder line. but what does that actually look like? if you actually do that?

>> also what biden to demonstrate to beijing was that if you attack taiwan, which is what we are worried about, there will be consequences, we can coordinate the world against you. obviously china's economy is a lot harder to attack than russia's. but we are actually also doing that in the biden era as well. in terms of our technological export restrictions. and our attempts to create more infrastructure in the united states for semiconductors and all sorts of things. the things we get from east asia. >> we look at that photo doesn't seem ominous to? >> oh it is terribly ominous, but i what i'm saying is that she has to walk a fine line. he is still dependent on the rest of the world. and russia is not going to buy all of the things that we buy from china. and china's -- doesn't need exports, they are desperately trying to create a domestic economy that can run on its own, like the united states, which is run by its own consumer and doesn't

necessarily rely on exports. but china is not there yet. and she has to think about that for his people. >> it is also in it for energy importer. >> i would, but that is also why it is terrifying to meeting, because the type ones that are going from russia to china are accelerating. if we also see right now, again if we just looking at the economy any sanctions, that were put in place were supposed to effectively destroy the ocean economy. they are specially down ten points on gdp. 15% down on gdp. turns out run it we are only down to four point on gdp depending on how you measure it, so again yes i agree, she has to walk that fine line. but at the end of the day, i think when you talk about the biden doctrine it is to show up a day late and $20 short and not actually in with the fact that he could have had the preemptive sanctions against russia and you chose not to do that until the tanks that roll across the border. you could have gone in there and said we are going to stick to the point and we are not going to have the tanks then you have the tanks. then we are not going to give them the fighter, just now we are considering it bring in the

fighter jets. so i, think again, the lap to be doctrine, the lack of saying that we are going to draw this line and as you come -- >> i think that is just making sure that europe is in lockstep with united states. you know, we have been tracking the germans on the front. >> he has got to play politics demented sickly -- domestically -- if you look at what is happening in russia, ukraine. he has made, it by the minute the policies that he is put in place there with our european allies, as mitch a lot more difficult for them to -- >> for like we are in a tie, machine feel like i'm hearing republican talking points which we used to be the consensus reality of centrists and maybe centrists in center white in -- arguably was calling putin, which caused, you know, still cause ukraine to kind of decline, defame are allies. to, me the stark summit feels like the combination of these very irresponsible policies. so i would be very on board with this. >> i don't know we can call it

irresponsible policy when he was the only president that didn't have ukraine go and have a crane -- >> because you need, to putin felt very comfortable with trump in office. he didn't need to poston's. >> it is not, distant you've got a lot of -- so i don't think it is a stunt, i think the hard truth is that no matter how you want to frame this, we need to have a biden doctrine, it is not, exist he has yet to articulate what his victory in ukraine would look. like and part of that is why we have all of australia -- >> i don't find solace that, all i find it realistic. >> okay, thank you all very much for that. now, closer to, when california 's governor is rolling out an ambitious plan to reduce almost us in that state. involves tiny houses. we will explain what that means next. ♪ ♪ ♪

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that's right. >> california governor gavin newsom hoping to cut homelessness in his state by 15% by the year 2025. one of his first steps is this, what you are seeing on your screen right now, 1200 tiny homes. the price tag for these tiny homes, 1200 of them, is $30 million! houston says the project can be finished by this fall. i am back with my panel right now. so, patrick, california has a problem. i, mean all of my friends who live in california say it is noticeable, it is dramatic, the amount of homeless people, tent cities that have propped up their. so anything they are trying, this is a creative idea.

i am not sure how well it would work. i will tell you a little bit more about these tiny homes. they take 90 minutes to assemble. that sounds great, that's quick. >> how big are they? >> 120 square feet. >> got small. >> small. >> but it is better than living on the street. to your point, i was in california last summer with a couple of my daughters and we walked around to go visit one of my ex professors, by the way, where i went to college. and it was scary. i mean, i was like, maybe i should not have brought my daughters. i mean, it was hard to see. it was really hard. i love that part of the country. i went to college out there. so i say to governor newsom, you know, well done to try to do something to help what is obviously a crisis that is pretty much out of control. in a lot of places in the country, but particularly out. there >> are so just a few more stats for you, lynette. in california there is 115,000 homeless people, they estimate. 44 out of every 10,000 people are experiencing homelessness. see 7% of them are unsheltered.

and his accent -- we are about to face economic hardship in this country. i think people are losing their jobs. so, i mean, particularly california people, second tech sector, media. i imagine that this will trickle down and people will be going through a tough time. is going to be harder to pay rent. you know, some people in the economic nerds in my world to talk about to america. one america where people have that savings accounts and whether the pandemic pretty well. and there is an america where people are falling behind on their rent and credit card payments are getting too high and we are seeing this problem in the economy, this is the kind of situation that increases risk of homelessness. so it is good to see governor newsom doing something. >> yeah -- >> we should understand, i mean, this is a really a drop in the bucket. a symbolic amount. you said how many homes people there are, this is like 1%. what i found interesting, medical alive on this issue and

when i heard we were gonna be talking about it. and i look at the republican proposals any democrat proposals in california. they're actually really similar. so a lot of times, you, know there might be a stereotype on the right it is gonna be a long order and on the left might be these causes of social order. but i looked at the republican proposals and they are all about deep causes. this is not an issue which you can kind of walk them up and throwing the key kind of solution, it was occurring to me that in a very hyper partisan environment there's actually a lot of agreement. there is more funding for mental health, better solutions than shelters that often have a lot of violence in them which is really hard to read as kids. a lack of stability and whether it is not possible -- to tell your side here -- that is a model, because democrats have to do something about this issue. polls interesting, the solution seemed kind similar is democrat matters -- on us and crime, we talked with this before. this is not, there has to be a true compassionate way too --

>> thank, you all you want, thank you for, that, next family of a south carolina teenager who died seriously in 2015. once his body exhumed and nice investigation opened -- does this have something to do with the murdaugh murder.

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>> the family of south carolina teenager sadie smith once a new investigation into the mysterious death -- his mysterious death in 2015. the call for this into investigation comes as a result of the investigation into the murders of maggie murdaugh and paul murdaugh. cnn's dianne gallagher has

more. >> what are emergency? >> hello, i -- [inaudible] as he someone laying. >> it's been nearly eight years since the body of 19 year old stadium smith was found in the middle of this country road in south carolina. the teen's death gained national attention in june 2021. near li six years after he was dead when the state line forsman division announced it was opening an investigation into his death, based upon information gathered during the course of the double murder investigation of paul and maggie murdaugh. >> verdict, guilty. >> alex murdaugh was sentenced to life in prison for the murders of his wife and son earlier this month. >> for the next of your natural life -- >> investigators never revealed what information they glean from the murdaugh murders investigation that resulted in this case being opened. today, new private efforts and launched to uncover the circumstances, spearheaded by swiss mother sandy and two

attorneys. the first goal, exhuming smith's body. >> we have cause to believe that -- fresh eyes. a fresh new look at the body. >> an initial report said that the nursing student died on june 8th, 2000 -- of a hit and run. but the accident investigation team reports cited quote no vehicle debris skid marks or injuries consistent with someone being struck by a vehicle. >> i just love my son and since i couldn't protect him, i will fight for. him >> smith smothers says she's worried that her son was targeted because he was. gay according to police files, with during interviews with friends and families after his death, the murdaugh name kept coming up, but no substack has been named and authorities never connected any one of the murdaugh family to switch the. still, rumors and window persisted as the murdaugh case spawned podcast, documentaries, and a rapid social media

following. including buster murdaugh, a classmate of smiths. he broke his silence and spoke to cnn this morning saying apart, quote, i tried my best to ignore the rumors that suggest my involvement in the death of -- this baseless rumors of my involvement with stephen and his death are false. i unequivocally deny any involvement in his death and my heart goes out to the smith family. smith attorney caution the public, this is not about the murdochs. >> this is not an alex murdaugh two point oh or any murdaugh two point oh, this is a steven smith two point oh. it's all about stephen. >> that's what's at the heart of this, it's a mother who for nearly eight years wanted to happen to her son and who didn't have him. his sister started a gofundme, she raised $75,000 already she uses -- plans to use to pay for the independent autopsy to exhume her sons body if a judge signs

off on a petition allowing it. we did ask sled about the death investigation of stevens beth, they told us that they had made progress but said it was still active and ongoing. alison? >> diane, thank you. joining me now, attorney of legal affairs areva martin. this is tragic that this mother has not had any information that they've never resolved this crime after all of these years. so of course he wants the investigation reopened. and this is a strange case to know that there weren't the telltale signs of a normal hit and run around steven smith's body. >> you're right, alison. this is a very strange case and we know that [inaudible] law enforcement as they really -- doing this ahead and run accident because the evidence doesn't support that conclusion. but i also feel bad, alison, for buster murdaugh. he's grieving the loss of his mother and younger brother. his father's incarcerated for life. and yet there are all these in

windows about him and somehow leaking him to the murder when there is no evidence to do so. so i hope that the law enforcement agencies in that town in that county complete that investigation and if buster is not involved, i hope's name is cleared. i can't imagine the trauma and the pain he continues to experience as a result of his own loss. >> you're right, there's certainly no evidence that we know of that the public is privy to. that's true. but there is this feeling that an unusual amount of people end up dead and up around the murdochs. there's a housekeeper who died under some what's a spacious circumstances in the home. there is a young woman who was killed on the boat with paul murdaugh. there is this strange case, i don't know why the murdaugh name keeps coming up in this investigation. and then of course there is maggie and paul who were killed. so it's --

as you, say that is innuendo, that's just innuendo, but it is starting to feel spooky around them. >> and i can see why, alison, there are conspiracy theories that have for his enough -- we have to stick to the evidence. and the evidence that you just identified, they are facts in those cases. and in some cases we know that their link to paul and the young girl who died on the boat. there's evidence linking him to that murder. there's no evidence that ties anyone from the murdaugh family to the death of this young man. tragic hasn't may be, we just have to wait until the law enforcement investigation is completed before we will know any additional information. my heart goes out to this family, but i don't want to traumatize, retraumatized buster because this treasure from has this experience. >> we appreciate the cautionary note. thank you for the note on that. >> thanks, alison. >> before we, go i want to

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