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the free book and receive so much more call 1 808 31 37 100. today the nypd said they have police ready to respond to protests should former president trump become the first former president to be criminally indicted. it's a question of when and also if i'm john berman in for anderson remember, according to the former president's own social media post this weekend. the indictment was supposed to happen today, but he had no proof of that. and so here we are. he had all indications are that something is in the pipeline. but among the litany of things we still don't know about this indictment, apart from if it will actually happen is how we will find out about it . powell trump will he be arrested? will there be a mug shot? will he appear in court? what will the actual charges be ? will it be a misdemeanor about trying to keep it affair with an adult film star secret buying in this would be the potential illegal part. falsifying business records, or does the manhattan da's office believe it has the evidence to sustain a
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felony conviction about this alleged payoff? being part of a much broader charge about trying to influence the election? so that is what we don't know. we do know that many top republicans are aghast that anyone would be investigated over a little simple hush money. alleged, simple hunch money. this was personal money to try to hide. this was seven years ago. statute of limitation. so that was the house speaker kevin mccarthy on the third and final day of republican retreat, trying to do his best. nothing to see here. leslie nielsen impersonation to review according to the reporting of the wall street journal, this money that the former president's then lawyer, michael cohen, paid to stormy daniels. it wasn't done directly. he used an llc in the names he used to refer to trump in daniel's. they were david dennison and peggy peterson. so it kind of sounds like somebody was trying to hide something. and if speaker mccarthy was being a little sly in his defense of the former president, senator rand paul was not. he went full borat, his
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attack of the manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg, tweeting quote. trump indictment would be a disgusting abuse of power. the d a should be put in jail jail. really he must have some serious evidence or something to say something like that, right? wrong cnn asked him about that tweet today. here was his response. quote i think we'll stick with just what we tweeted out if you want to report that no evidence alabama senator tommy tuberville wade into on manhattan, d a. alvin bragg. thank you should be accountable what he's doing. i mean, nobody's ever done this. this is unprecedented going after a former president of united states that uh, is running for president? what if he broke the law? broke the law. you gotta you gotta pay the price. ah, but i mean, i haven't looked into it enough. got it. this is unprecedented, but i haven't looked into it enough. that about sums it up. hammer the talking points fact be, or at
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least distant. look we don't know what's coming down the pipeline or even if anything's coming down the pipeline, but we do know enough to be able to wait and see what happens before suggesting people go to jail. let's start tonight with democratic congressman dan goldman, a former federal prosecutor who was the democratic counsel to the house intelligence committee during president trump first impeachment inquiry, congressman thanks so much for being with us look many of your republican colleagues you just heard speaker mccarthy there are disparaging district attorney alvin bragg and the probe, downplaying the investigation before it's concluded. what do you say to their argument that an indictment would be partisan and politically motivated? well they certainly weren't saying that when alvin bragg a year ago , decided to go against the recommendation of his very experienced prosecutors and not indict donald trump, but what they're trying to basically do is pick and choose what they view as political and what they view as reasonable and following
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the law, and that basically comes down to whatever the outcome is, as it relates to donald trump. it's very clear they're doing the bidding of donald trump and trying to undermine this investigation. even to the point of potentially obstructing it. obstructing now hang on here because you actually use that word in a statement you put out before you said from day one, and this has to do with house judiciary chair jim jordans and others trying to get alvin bragg before the committee. as you said, from day one, i said the so called weaponization subcommittee was more aptly named the committee to obstruct justice, as if on cue house republicans and are using the official power of the congress to try to obstruct a state prosecution of donald trump. so obstruction which you used in that statement, just here is a pretty strong word. what exactly do you mean by obstruction? well when you look at the threats when you look at the accusations, and when you look at the inflammatory language and that letter in particular it is very clear that
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they are trying to influence put it that way. alvin bragg in some way and influencing a prosecutorial decision or witness testimony or otherwise can be obstruction of justice now. i don't i'm not saying that they have committed a crime here . but i think what is very clear is that they are trying to interfere and influence this investigation without knowing the facts and without knowing the evidence, and essentially, they're trying to put donald trump above the law, and that is antithetical to our fundamental rule of law, which is that our government is one of laws, not men. so some legal experts and we're not talking about trump apologists here. have said that this is not the strongest case on its merits as a former federal prosecutor in lead counsel in the first trump impeachment do you think it is? well look, i think if you look at the actual facts, and you went through some of that in
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your opening, donald trump used a home equity loan by taken out by michael cohen to pay $130,000 to a porn star three weeks before the election to silence a decade old affair. he was then reimbursed by falsifying the rationale through the trump organization. it was clear that donald trump was trying to avoid having this become public and a political liability before his election for a variety of reasons. the southern district of new york the federal prosecutor, did not charge this case. and so now it's really up to mr bragg to determine whether or not he thinks that it should be, though that fact pattern should be charged in state court where the law is not as clear on campaign finance fraud as it is federally of all the investing haitians that the former president faces which do you think it is the most legally perilous because you would be hard pressed to find anyone who
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does think it is this case that could be brought by the manhattan d a. i would agree with that. i think the fact that donald trump conspired with a number of others to overturn the 2020 election is far more serious than the conduct here. that doesn't mean that because it's more serious that that and that this conduct is not serious, but that is a fundamental effort to overturn our democracy and the peaceful transfer of power and that investigation by the special counsel to me is far and away the most serious and the most concerning from, you know any american citizen that's that's viewing this manhattan d a is not as serious as the others. but you still think potentially, it would be worth pursuing. that's really up to mr bragg. i don't know the evidence here. i know that there is a process that donald trump can use to challenge the this charge legally or factually that there
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are 12 jurors that need to be unanimous to find his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. and i wish that my republican colleagues would focus on the process that is blade out and has been exist in existence for 250 years to let a defendant like donald trump trump make his defense if he wants to, rather than make these accusations and allegations and try to undermine this investigation, we could wait and see. what happens in other words, congressman dan goldman. great to see you. thanks so much. thank you. john federal authorities, including those at the fbi and homeland security, have detected an increase in violent rhetoric online, including calls for civil war since the former president this weekend asked followers to quote protest is possible impending arrest. we should know this is just online chatter, but something authorities are taking seriously. nonetheless i'm joined now by cnn senior political commentator adam kinzinger, former republican congressman and member of the
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january 6th select committee. and cnn national security analyst juliette kayyem, former u. s. assistant secretary for homeland security, a congressman just before we get to the security situation. what does it say to you that some of your republican colleagues are using their government power to try to keep the former president's legal threats at bay or at least run with dan goldman here, said his interference for him. i think it's pretty chilling. i think, look, let's see what this is. it's like they've already made up their mind. they know all the evidence they've they have come to a conclusion. that's not how justice works. you know, i'll tell you there's a phenomenon will try to do this in 15 seconds that exist when you're a congressman, that is kind of a bit. not all in with donald trump. and your base keeps telling you how come you're not defending trump more and something like this comes along, and you basically emote all of that intensity and defend donald trump the best you can so you can go back to your lincoln day dinners and tell your republican base cm defending donald trump. by the way, i saw that impeachment votes. you see that in holding people in
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contempt for ignoring subpoenas , like in january, 6th. and i think you're seeing some of that here where people can convince themselves that this is egregious. they're going to be extremely loud about it that allows them to go back to their base and say they're fighting to defend donald trump. on the security front. juliet cnn is reporting that federal officials , including those at the fbi department of homeland security , they are monitoring what they say has been an uptick in violent rhetoric online, including calls for civil war. what's your take on this? what are you seeing? absolutely so and one would anticipate a given donald trump's language this weekend seeking a protest but also talking about bringing america taking america back. it's the language that we heard on january 6th. but times are very different. it's very easy for people to go online and talk about civil war. but in terms of the radicalization, i want to focus on the violent radicalization that that showed itself on january 6th. the environment is very different now. i mean, it's not only
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because of what the former congressman and his colleagues did in terms of sort of turning the gop narrative against trump, trying to give an upfront to republicans. in terms of you don't have to be with this guy to the arrest of a couple 100 people which takes away your troops to the fact that donald trump is essentially deep platforms. he cannot give people to get out of jail free card and also that that he cannot fill the protests. i mean, we've already seen him try to and there's like a sort of a big yawn all of those together over the two years means that he may be a lot of smoke and a lot of fire and a lot of anger, but he cannot deliver. on the kind of incitement that we worried about the sort of existential assigned , uh, incitement, the kind that could really harm america that he could before and that is going to take a lot of, i think , hopefully the gas out of
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whatever becomes of trump in this movement in the future after the arrest, but what if he has a few more days? congressman and i asked that because cnn is reporting that if trump is indicted, they don't expect his arrest or initial appearance to happen. before next week so we could find out about an indictment and then have four or five days before he were to show up in new york city for the actual processing. now i get that could be so they can get the security preparations underway, but couldn't he use that time if he wanted to? to drum up protests or or some kind of activity? absolutely i mean, look, you know, in one way, it's a blessing, obviously, that we don't see what he says. most of the time. he's just yelling in the dark room to a few people on truth social, but if you actually look at what he is saying, i mean, we cannot grow numb to this. we can't grow numb to the fact that he has basically said americans are the enemy, not russia. you know, we have to stop justice from occurring. in essence, i don't put anything past them. there's always times resting back and i'm like, well, i don't think donald trump would come out and
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do x, y and z. i know longer believe that there's any restraint on him. so i think it is quite possible that in that intervening time between the indictment and the process, and i'm not sure why there would be a big distance, but you know, i'll leave that to the experts. but in that time he certainly could gin up enough people to show up and try to block the way or create problems. look there's i don't think i agree with you with that. there's not a ton of belief that it's going to be like another january 6th necessarily, but there are a number of people on twitter right now, saying things like civil wars coming civil war is happening. and if just one or 2% of americans believe that that's like what six million americans or something. so juliette, do you think these few days potential few days or a smart idea? and how do you think that city in federal officials should get ready? well this is so this is the unprecedented aspect of this. obviously they have to have an indictment before they can act, right? you cannot sort of just say this. this could happen because trump said it happened so they have to then get the facility ready. they have to hope that they can
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negotiate a very voluntary very quiet. i say, hope not. i wasn't born yesterday, movement for donald trump and work with the secret service to essentially bring this body from florida to new york and back the secret service and the department of homeland security. do not. oh donald trump anything anymore they are. they are. he is a he is someone that they protect protective, but they do not. he does not no longer controls what they can do so they can make this relatively easy for the united states, so there's a lot of activity going on around the person and then, of course, the facility time is not good. in the sense that he can agitate more people. on the other hand, time does give some opportunities to lower the temperature and also to show that he cannot get people out there. i mean, that's the one thing that's been amazing the
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last couple of days. you got, like, four people in front of trump tower and, like, five in front of mara lago, i'm not minimizing the heat out there, but that's a much better. that is a much better scenario than the alternative at this stage. um congressman adam kinzinger. thanks so much still to come the back story about how we got from a former playboy model and adult film actress to a possible indictment of a former president ronan farrow has reported on this story and joins us ahead plus well, reuben murdoch and his son, the ceo of the company that owns fox news. forced to testify. in the billion dollar defamation trial, the latest ahead. i'm joey anita. and this is our real ring story. one time when i was out of town, my husband joy collapsed. i got notified right away and got him to help you needed ring helped save my life more at ring .com. you have chronic kidney disease . there are places you'd like to be. like here and here. and
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they expected discover how rider e commerce makes your customers' experience ever better. it is important to remember that any criminal charge of the former president out of the manhattan grand jury investigation, if it happens would be the culmination of a tale that began before the 2016 election and costar in adult film actress and employed by model as well as the then head of the company that owned the national enquirer. it is a tale very well known by my next guest. he is the author of catch and kill lies spies in a conspiracy to protect predators. we're joined now by author ronan farrow, who is also a contributing writer to the new yorker. so stormy daniels and this gets to a lot of your reporting she had approached the national enquirer with her story and trying to get them to buy it from her. but they turned her down more or less. is it clear why they passed? so my reporting was on a string of interactions that trump and people around
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him, including michael cohen had with am i the parent company at the time of the national enquirer and proved out? i believe pretty thoroughly that there was an ongoing arrangement to pay hush money to catch and kill is the journalistic term that was used in the tabloid world. unflattering stories about trump catch and kill system, which you just brought up, orchestrated or involving david pecker, who was the former publisher of ami. how did it work? the concept is very basic . the enquirer forged an alliance with donald trump, david pecker and his consigliere e, uh, dylan howard. we're both heavily involved in this arrangement by which they would go out and seek unflattering and usually tawdry stories about donald trump, and they would pay money for the rights to those stories. ah which entailed essentially muzzling the people
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in possession of those stories. uh and instead of running the results of that transaction in the enquirer, they would sit on it. and i at one point in my reporting, ah got access to a master list of many, many stories that over the years the enquirer had done this with with respect to trump. so anderson spoke with karen macdougal back in 2018, the playboy model. who said she had an affair with trump and was paid for her silence. i'm gonna play part of that interview where she explains her experience with this catch and kill process. what's your understanding of catching killers? catch us from what i'm learning. a catch and kill is somebody for legacy for yourself, for example, taking a story about somebody you like or care about every friendship about and they squash a story so it doesn't hurt you. so them did you know that? that's what was going on. that's the allegation of what was going on here. did
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you? did you realize that at the time i knew the story wasn't going to be printed yeah. why do you think they squashed the story? back then or now. um. they they didn't want to hurt him. you think it's because of personal relationship? with the guy who runs am i his friends with donald trump. correct. to that point, rohan and why was david pecker? protecting trump like this. what did he what did the enquirer get out of it all? well there's now a lot of literature on this, david pecker appeared to really enjoy the friendship with trump and the largesse trump could afford. and i think david pecker and dylan howard, you know this is according to many, many dozens of hours of interviews with people who are in in the rooms with them around these decisions . um they all wanted to ride on trump's political coattails as
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well. and then there was a dawning realization by dylan, howard and others that what they were doing doing was going to look very bad. i mean, that was said in some of those internal text messages. pretty directly almost word for word, and now we're seeing the consequences. so david pecker did meet with prosecutors in this case that we're dealing with this week and reportedly testified to the grand jury. what kind of information do you think he might be able to provide? well, what's interesting is when i was reporting on these hush payments through am i including karen macdougal story? the enquirer. folks were lying to us and they were giving us statement saying this never happened. you have it all wrong, and subsequently they have had to admit to what was alleged in that reporting in some and substance in their agreement with federal prosecutors. now when these individuals are talking to additional prosecutors after that admission, i think there's going to be a lot more information. it was remarkable
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about this. john is it is not new information. these facts are out there. uh you know they were in my reporting, the wall street journal did really potent reporting on this. um the record is kind of established, and people like pecker can speak to it and reinforce it. the question is, how is it going to resonate with the jury, especially with this novel legal theory that's at the foundation of the case. and how is it going to resonate politically? i you know, i heard from a prosecutor . ah that in their words. this is a billion dollar gift to donald trump, referring in other words to the amount that he will be able to fundraise off the back of this. it has been a long road. we will see where it winds next. ronan farrow, great to see you. thanks so much. always great to see you. up next attorneys for fox news and dominion voting systems battle it out in court today and that $1.6 billion defamation case we have the latest developments ahead. uh huh. mm uh wow. he
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eight time all started telling you about it. wait what? get it before it's gone on the subway out. good morning, everyone we do begin with breaking news this morning. closed captioning brought to you by meso book .com. we offer a free book on mesothelioma call for the free book and receive so much more call 1 808 31 37 100. lawyers for fox news and the voting equipment company. dominion spent about six hours in court today wrangling over the $1.6 billion defamation case against the right wing network, and they will be back at it again tomorrow, a dominion lawyer told the judge today. quote the fix was in arguing that fox hosts knew they were promoting false claims about dominion ringing the 2020 election. and kept booking guests who prompted the lies. fox argues it is protected by the first amendment claims it
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can't be held liable for airing newsworthy allegations from public figures. both sides want the judge to decide the case without going to a jury. but if it does go to trial, dominion wants fox chair rupert murdoch and his ceo son, lachlan to testify. cnn senior media reporter oliver darcy joins us now with much more on all this. so oliver what more was revealed today about what was going on behind the scenes. a lot of what you saw today, john was dominion trying to bring to life the legal filings they have made in this case over the past several months, and so one instance you saw them reading a text message that they obtained during discovery from tucker carlson. that message was to sean hannity and laura ingram, in which he said our viewers are good people , and they believe it, referring to these election conspiracy theories they were pushing on fox's air. even though they knew that they were false. i think a key thing to keep in mind as you watch this play out in court is how the judges reacting to some of fox's arguments, and you saw him today, exceedingly skeptical at times about the defense that
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fox was putting forth in the courtroom, and i think that's going to be very important as these both sides like you said, ask the judge to rule in their favor ahead of a possible trial. at the dominion was trying to make the case that the fix was in the in one case that they pointed to mike lindell, who is obviously an election conspiracy theorists, and they talked about how they knew that he was an election conspiracy theorist, but they still put him on air, arguing that was a business relationship. they wanted to preserve a read to you what one of the dominion lawyers actually said in open court, he said they were putting lindell on air for business purposes. they knew lindell was crazy, but they also knew he was their highest average. tizer and they were just trying to a sausage so you can see this argument taking place here and starting to take shape, as they argue that a lot of the coverage at fox was not based on what was true and what was false but based on business decisions, keeping advertisers happy, keeping ratings up, not
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losing ground to competitors like newsmax. oliver darcy, thank you so much. you're rewatching again tomorrow. perspective now from retired first amendment lawyer lee levine, who was represented who has represented both fox news and cnn in cases lee. thanks for being with us look, tucker carlson messages they've been previously mentioned in court filings, but to have them highlighted in open court in front of the dutch judge. how damaging do you think that is to fox? well, the judges obviously seen all of this stuff in the hundreds of pages of briefing that spending filed, so it's really just the point of emphasis for the judge. it's an opportunity for dominion to show the judge what they think is the most significant evidence and likewise for fox to show the judge what they think is the most significant evidence. i think the most significant thing about today's proceeding was precisely what i wonder just said was that it it took six hours and it's going to continue into tomorrow. i litigated these
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cases for 40 years. i never had a hearing on a motion like this. that lasted more than an hour or two. this judge is taking this very seriously. he has devoting a lot of time and attention to it, and he is going to make sure he understands all the arguments before he rules. do you think that is beneficial to one side or the other? oliver was mentioning the judge seemed to preclude or block or at least be skeptical of some of the possible defenses that fox might make. yeah and i think in fairness, he was skeptical of some of the claims that dominion was making as well. although on balance, i think he was sending signals that. coincide with what many of us have been thinking all along, which is that he might throw out some of the claims based on some of the broadcasts, but he is not going to dismiss this entire case and
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the moonshot that fox has taken this overarching argument that it's allowed to report on allegations that it knows or false. because of reasonable viewer would understand that fox wasn't endorsing those meanings . i think he's going to leave the question of whether fox was endorsing those falsehoods to a jury. so is there a meaningful distinction and that gets to what? you're just talking about there between fox guests spewing fraudulent claims about the 2020 election being stolen? i guess that they know that fox knows when they book them. we're going to say that in fox hosts repeating the same claims. you know, as foxes lawyer admitted in court today, she said that we are not claiming that just because one of our guests said it we're off the hook. what we're claiming is that because one of our guests said it and it was newsworthy and no reasonable viewer would understand that we were endorsing the falsehood. we're not. going to be held
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liable or shouldn't be viable and that's what it comes down to. is there enough evidence from which are reasonable viewer? could come to the conclusion with respect to one or more of these 20 some odd broadcasts that have been challenged that fox as an institution that the hosts through whom fox spoke on these shows were in fact endorsing the false sites. and i think that the judges skeptical questions went directly to that issue with respect to at least several of the broadcast. so you're far more than an average you were here you were a season. first amendment lawyer, you know, there's a high bar for defamation cases against media outlets. so how does the evidence that has been put out there? we've seen an awful lot. measure up here. i've said this before. um i in 40 years of practice. i have never seen a case in which there was stronger evidence of actual malice, which
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is knowledge or falsity or reckless disregard. for the truth. you have the normal kinds of evidence that is often put forward in cases like this that fox out of profit motive. um you know, uh, sensationalism sells and that sort of thing. but you also have the you know the hundreds of text messages and emails that show that responsible people of fox up and down the line or advised by dominion that this information was false. uh between broadcasts between re airing of broadcasts and original broadcasts and. said in text messages and emails that they didn't believe it was true themselves, but yet went ahead and let these guests be booked on the air and knew that they were going to say that the things that they said which fox knew was false. les levine. i have a feeling we're going to speak to you again. thanks so
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it right from the app with one tap download rocket money today i'm dr sanjay gupta. and this is cnn. there are new developments in the talks between china's leader xi jinping and russian president vladimir putin, the two leaders, in a show of unity in moscow, reiterated their pledge to expand ties between the nations as well as signing a joint declaration on their deepening partnership. this comes amid concerns that china might provide cover for russia's military actions in ukraine, as both she and putin called for an end to actions that quote increased tensions. and prolong the conflict. now the ukrainian president vladimir zelensky says he is ready for dialogue with china on ukraine's or on the chinese program for peace there. cnn's senior international correspondent, matthew chance is in moscow for us tonight, and cnn's phil mattingly is at the white house. matthew what more came out of the meeting today between g and putin. well first of all, john. it was a very symbolic affair, that the fact
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that she's been ping was there at all very potent message of support from china to russia, and there were lots of expressions of solidarity between the two countries and promises of sort of bringing closer ties. that was what it was mainly about. a lot of deals were signed as well. more than a dozen projects launched to actually physically joined the country's close together, bridges and things like that and economic ties, bringing them closer and there were discussions about a new pipeline. take russian gas to china, so russia really redirecting its economy. um towards the east. and of course , they also spoke in some detail, according to the kremlin about that chinese peace proposal, which is very controversial because it calls for talks between the two countries, ukraine and russia, but stop short of demanding that russia pull out of the areas. it's conquered, and so these are all the kinds of things that were discussed as she jinping left the meetings today. he you know he could heard be heard on
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camera saying to ademir putin look together. we're trying to bring about changes that haven't happened in 100 years and we're doing it together. and vladimir putin said yes, i agree. and then she jinping drove off the sort of precisely the kind of changes are trying to bring about, it seems, are quite dramatic. so fill at the white house. i should mention how skeptical is the white house of this summit. look i think there is significant skepticism heading into the summer, primarily due to the framing from chinese officials that this was essentially a peace mission tied to that plan that matthew was talking about, and officials were very cognizant of the fact that in the public statements over the course of two days, particularly the statements today, there was no substantial progress cited no concrete or definitive. ah words related to that beyond kind of the broad parameters of things. i think that underscored for us officials. i've spoken to that the skepticism was merited. now i think they are very much acknowledge the reality of a relationship that is growing significantly closer over the course of the last year, but they also frame it in a
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different manner than any kind of alliance or very close relationship between two similar world powers. they view it as clear acknowledgment of russia's dependency and growing dependency and reliance on china on the economics. side of things. and while they are not sending lethal support, at least at this point in time, us officials believe chinese officials are also very cognizant of that reality and playing it to their advantage. but they do make clear they understand the symbolism here. they understand the moment this represents what they don't believe actually transpired as anything significant on a tangible side of things as it relates to the conflict in ukraine, but they will certainly be watching in the days ahead. so, matthew what do you know? or what have you learned about efforts? to organize a call between she and the ukrainian president vladimir zelensky. well i know the efforts underway because i've spoken to my sources inside ukraine, and they said that discussions are actually taking place to try and work out. you know how and when
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there can be a first conversation between president zelinsky of ukraine and she jinping of china to discuss those peace proposals, and of course, as we know vladimir zelensky himself. the ukrainian president has said that he's very open to discussing some sort of peace deal with china. you know if, if it wants to do that. um, but at the moment, ukrainian officials are telling us that you know, nothing concrete has been scheduled yet. we're expecting it soon if it's going to happen at all. all right, matthew. chance phil mattingly, our thanks to both of you. quick programming note tonight on cnn. primetime pamela brown takes a closer look at all of the trump investigations with legal experts, reporters and analysis inside the trump investigations airs live at the top of the hour. still ahead. new details on the man accused of killing four university of idaho students in their off campus home what dozens of court filings reveal about the weeks and days leading up to the
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investigating this as a homicide now back when this first happened, the lead investigator despite it being ruled a hit and run accident, the lead investigator was heard during some tapes from the case file some audio interviews, saying that he didn't think that this was a hit and run. listen to that. typically you don't see the highway patrol working a murder. and that's what this is. there's no doubt we're not classifying this as anything other than a murderer. yeah and this is really important. john, of course for sandy smith, stephen smith's mom, she has said, been saying for years now, now, almost eight years since her son died that she has always believed that there was foul play here that somebody killed her son and laid his body in that roadway to make it look like a hit and run. and so this is very important for her. this is a really, uh, certainly significant move in the case for her, and it also john, it's important to note that there were no visible injuries to him. he had a very significant pick
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unt wound to his head. but other than that, you know if you're hit by a vehicle at a fast speed, his loosely tied shoes were still on him. he didn't have any broken bones. all of this certainly leading his mother and others to believe that there's no way this could have been your standard hit and run, john it's already is it clear what this new investigative avenue could mean ? if anything for the surviving members of the murdoch family. it's unclear at this point. we know from the case file that the murdoch name was mentioned over and over again. we also know that buster murdoch's name was mentioned in the case file. he released a statement just yesterday, saying he wants nothing but the best for the smith family, and he's denied having any involvement in the death of stephen smith. so it's important to note that, but it's unclear what it means for the murdoch family. right now, the focus is on. certainly the smith family they're planning to exume stephen smith. its body. they're going to work with south carolina law enforcement and see
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the same cannot be said for many of the people who have worked for him or been in his circle. cnn's tom foreman has the details. the list of trump allies tied to crimes has been picking up new names for years. start with steve bannon stand with trump and the constitution trumps firebrand advisor was slapped at the fine and four months in prison for ignoring a congressional subpoena about the attack on the capital. his time behind bars is on hold while he appeals. he's also pleaded not guilty to new york state charges of money laundering, conspiracy and fraud. never shut me up not to kill me. first. wisenberg trump's longtime chief financial officer, is serving five months for tax fraud and was ordered to pay $2 million in back taxes, interest and penalties. paul manafort, once trump's campaign chairman, from day one, i always felt they were targeting me and a couple of others. to try and get out the president. the
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president, then candidate trump and then president trump. he has agreed to pay more than $3 million to the government over his tax filings. he spent two years in prison for bank and tax fraud, illegal foreign lobbying and more before trump pardoned him, rick gates pleaded guilty to aiding and abetting manafort in concealing $75 million in foreign bank accounts. he spent 45 days in jail and became a government informant. the next president of the united states right here. trump pardoned. michael flynn wants his national security advisor who admitted lying to the fbi about his contact with russia when he tried to walk that admission back. flynn is now suing the government alleging malicious prosecution advisor george papadopoulos got 12 days for lying to investigators in the russia probe. he was pardoned. george nader wasn't informal campaign adviser who pleaded guilty to sex crimes. elliott brody, a fundraiser pleaded guilty to running a secret.
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lobbying campaign, roger stone was convicted of lying to congress. trump pardoned him, too, and there is former trump attorney michael cohen confined nearly three years after admitting several crimes, including campaign finance violations, routinely called for accountability for his former boss. everyone needs to be held to the same standard of the law, and that includes former presidents. none of this proves donald trump committed any crimes before, during or after his presidency. but it does give his critics a lot to say about the company. he keeps john. yes it does. tom foreman thank you very much. and on that note the cnn primetime special inside the trump investigations. starts right now. tonight former president trump in legal jeopardy charges are inevitable , potentially imminent indictment in new