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whiskey against a dog toy. check this out on the left a bottle of jack daniels and then on the right a squeaky toy called bad spaniels where you can see here what the toymaker is going for, but the booze maker is not laughing, it's lawyers say. ah bad daniels. bad spaniels. pardon me is likely to confuse consumers and harm jack daniel's brand, including by associating whiskey with excrement and toys that appeal to children. the bad spaniels maker says the toy is clearly a joke, and that parody is protected under the first amendment. so why is this case in front of the justices? will the white house actually asked the court to take it? the justice department is citing with jack daniels, nike and levi strauss, also supporting the whiskey maker. the supreme court could wind up issuing a landmark ruling in this case. we'll keep you posted. that's it for us more breaking news right now.
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hello and welcome to the cnn newsroom. i'm boris sanchez. hi everyone. i'm jessica. dean. great to be with you this afternoon. any moment now, the federal reserve will announce whether or not it will raise interest rates yet again. this decision, of course, critical in the fight against inflation, and it will impact everything from home prices to credit card bills , car payments, but today's decision is especially crucial. it comes as the country faces a banking industry crisis. the central bank has to decide whether to march on with these historic rate hikes or pause and give the financial system time to recover. so let's take you live right now to the federal reserve, where cnn's matt eagan is tracking the very latest matt what was the fed's decision 25 basis points. the federal just delivered its ninth street interest rate hike. that comes
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despite the fact that there is this bank crisis. failure of banks that actually prompted some experts to call for the federal reserve to pause this interest rate campaign now. today's move lifts borrowing costs from the fed to the highest level since september of 2007 was right before the great recession. and interest rates are going up rapidly at the fastest pace. since since the early 19 eighties. all of this, of course, is part of this campaign to get inflation under control for everyone at home. that means higher borrowing costs. mortgage rates, credit cards, car loans. now the fed also inserted significant changes to its statement to acknowledge these bank failures. the biggest that we've seen since 2008. the feds are a new paragraph that says the banking system is sound and resilient. they say that recent developments are likely to have caused tighter credit conditions and make it harder and more expensive for families and businesses to get loans. they say that's going to slow down
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the economy. it's also going to weigh on hiring and inflation, and the fed acknowledges that the extent of the banking crisis is uncertain. but the fed is making clear through today's move that they are definitely focused right now, despite all the banking pressure on getting inflation down. kind of outlined a little bit what the fed was saying more broadly about its economic projections there. is there anything else you want to kind of expand on there that people should know at home? well, the yeah, so that the fed also changed its assessment on the economy somewhat up there, making clear that the economy still running hotter than they wanted to. they say that job gains have quote picked up in recent months. they're also getting more pessimistic. in some ways on the inflation outlook. they took out a line that previously said inflation has eased. they say inflation remains elevated. the fed also issued new projections on where they see the economy going. and importantly, the fed didn't really change where they see interest rates going. they still think they're going to have to
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raise interest rates, probably one more time. one more quarter point move. they also made some changes to the unemployment rate . they actually upgraded their view on the unemployment rate. they now see unemployment rate going up, but not going up quite as high as before. they also upgraded their view on inflation, though they do think that it's going to take some time before inflation gets back to normal. all right. maddy. didn't madigan stay with us? we're going to bring in cnn economics and political commentator catherine rampell of the washington post. catherine great to see you. i just want to ask you first. we know that the fed was really trying to do a delicate balancing act here between and controlling inflation and also dealing with this baking instability that we've seen over the last several weeks. was this the right call? this is certainly what markets were expecting. if you look at where forecasts were how contracts reprised prior to this announcement, there was a very high probability in the markets that the fed will raise rates by 25 basis points. so to the extent that they don't you don't
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want to surprise markets. yes, i think this was the right call. i think either a modest hike like the one that they did or a pause could have been warranted. however the fed needs to communicate and i think that is part of why they decided to raise rates that the war on inflation is not yet over. they are confident in the banking system. they're not worried that a modest type of 25 basis points will break the financial system . they have other tools to deal with that. hopefully they are deploying them competently. um but that moreover, the main war is the one on inflation. and if you look at in fact, some of those other projections that matt was talking about that came out today. not only did they modestly improve prove their their forecast the median forecast anyway. for what happens to unemployment, they did not change how high they forecast interest rates will ultimately go again. at least the median forecast was basically about the same. there
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had been this question of well might get a little bit scared of its shadow and decide maybe they're not going to pause today. maybe they will pause today, but they're going, you know, either way, they're going to communicate that they're gonna let let off. i'll little bit lay off a little bit in the months ahead. and they're saying nope. nothing has changed. the trajectory is the same. we're still fighting inflation. we're still barreling forward. and there was, as matt pointed out the omission of any reference to inflation cooling, which clearly indicates that they are not comfortable with more than 6% inflation. they wanted to get down to 2% so looking into the future. how aggressively do you think the fed is going to go? do you think that they might hesitate next time around, depending on where the banking industry is? well, the fed keeps on saying that they are data dependent that is one of the chair powell's favorite terms, so i think we're really going to have to see what the inflation numbers look like the inflation numbers, among other metrics, by
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the way, what they look like in the months ahead. um you know the reason why that language was taken out about inflation cooling, presumably is that there was a reversal in the numbers. it looked like inflation was moderating. and then some other recent data that we got in in the last month or so. hated that. maybe that's not the case. so i think they are going to be paying close attention to what the numbers look like in the months ahead. i know that there are some forecasters who are predicting that later this year they fit you know things will get so dire. the economy will weaken so much that the federal have to cut rates. the fed is not predicting that right now, right? they are saying, um you know what we've seen so far. what we've seen to date indicates that we will have to continue raising rates for a little while yet, so i think that's what we should assume is the case until the data come in, otherwise i want to get to some new reporting you have. it was a letter that was that was shared exclusively with cnn, about from senator elizabeth warren and
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several other senators. they want to crack down on these more regional banks, the larger regional banks. she also has no fan of jerome powell. what more did you learn? right there is a push from democrats specifically progressives led by elizabeth warren to get the federal reserve to really crack down on regulation on these large regional banks, the ones between 100 billion and $250 billion in assets, and this is because of the failure of silicon valley bank and signature bank. now they're trying to get legislation through congress. i don't know if that's going anywhere. but in the meantime, they are urging the fed to sort of act unilaterally and ramp up supervision on these banks because of the stress that we've seen, and this concern that the 2018 rollback of dodd frank went too far and so we should expect to hear some questions to drawn powell today about this issue. i mean, he's got to talk about first of all. what the stress
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and the bank market means to the economy. how much is it going to slow down interest, a slow down the economy. at what point does it cause the fed to pause interest rates? he also has to talk about, um whether or not he is concerned about more being failures. and then lastly, he's got to answer questions about what went wrong here, including the regulatory front at the fed . how some of these red flags about these banks were missed. so after a very difficult decision made here by powell and his colleagues to raise interest rates decision i should note was unanimous. now he's going to face some tough questions about the road ahead. yeah pal, certainly going to face some scrutiny and for our very perceptive viewers. they just saw a bit of a tease, because the author of that letter that jessica mentioned senator elizabeth warren is going to be with jake tapper on the lead at four pm today. also at four pm the bills closed, we'll see or the markets close. i should say the bell rings will see how
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markets respond to these 25 basis points. catherine rampell matt eagan, thank you both so much. let's get you now to some breaking news out of denver, where a male student reportedly shot two faculty members at east high school. those two faculty members have been hospitalized. cnn's whitney wild has been tracking all of this for us. winning one of the victims is in serious but stable condition. the other is now in surgery in critical condition. oh the student, though, is not in custody. he apparently fled the scene after the shooting. that's right. and police say that that that he is armed and dangerous and they recognize that there may be a risk to the greater public right now. they are asking for the public's help trying to find this suspect. they say he is a juvenile. that's why they're not releasing his name. but he was under 18 years old. he was a student at the school, according to mayor michael hancock, the mayor of denver. he was an african american juvenile. he wears an afro, and he had a hoodie that had an astronaut on it. that's the description that they're
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putting out to the general public, hoping, of course, the public doesn't approach. him but the public can help police find this suspect. this all happened around 9 15 mountain time when the student was undergoing a daily safety check. according to police, he had been patted down every day had never produced a handgun before, but today, things were different. here's the police chief. this particular student actually had a safety plan that was in place where they were to be searched at the beginning of the school day. every day. they have been searched previously to today and had never had a weapon on them before, however, today during that search, which was which took place away from other students away from other school staff, they did produce that weapon and fire shots. no students were injured in the actual shooting. but there was a student who witnessed what happened and had such a such a deep emotional reaction of physical reaction to the incident that that student was also hospitalized. it just so happened that at the very same
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time the shooting happened there were paramedics inside the building, responding to another medical incident with a student , boris they were able to rush to this scene and they were able to administer aid within seconds of this happening, and so is you mentioned. one of those faculty members is in stable condition alert enough to give a description of what happened. the other is in surgery and critical condition. but according to mayor michael hancock, is the quick action and just the sheer good luck of having having paramedics inside that building that will likely contribute, you know, hopefully at least, certainly saving the life of the faculty member who is in stable but hopefully saving the life of the other faculty member who is in critical condition back to you. hmm incredibly fortunate that those paramedics were there. whitney wild. please keep us posted on what comes out of east high school. thank you so much. now to the ongoing waiting game indictment watch and whether the nation will see something it has never seen before. a former
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american president under arrest , some of his advisers say that donald trump appears resigned that it is going to happen, and he's apparently even toying with the idea of making this into a media spectacle. you have. the new york times is reporting that trump is ready for his perp walk. in the meantime, some supporters have gathered near his home at mara lago in florida, hoping that he'll see that they're there for him. all i know is that he can, at least from video. see that he has people that really love him and that we're not deceived by the media were not put off by what we hear that we still believe in him. let's start now to cnn, senior legal affairs correspondent paula reid and paula, you've got some breaking new details on this grand jury and how today is playing out for them. that's right, jess. we learned that the grand jury is not meeting today. and is that significant? well grand juries don't meet every single day, particularly when they don't have any work to do. it's unclear if they're going to meet
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tomorrow. but what we've learned is behind the scenes prosecutors in recent days have reached out to an attorney for at least one witness and signal that that individual may need to come back before the grand jury for additional testimony was one of the big questions here is whether the grand jury is actually done hearing evidence that they could even move to a vote on a possible indictment. but right now, our reporting indicates that there could be at least one other witness who goes before the grand jury before it could move ahead to that vote. we've also learned from multiple sources that behind the scenes, the district attorney's office prosecutors, they're they're taking a moment to just contemplate the historic nature of what they may be doing here again and being the first indictment potentially of a former president, and they're just taking a moment to regroup. it's been an unexpectedly busy week. on monday. they had a defense witness go before the grand jury something that is allowed but somewhat unusual because that was a request from the former president's legal team. that was robert costello.
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he went on as an attorney, a former attorney for michael cohen to attack cohen's credibility. that's significant because colon is really at the center of this case, so it's unclear right now. the grand jury will meet tomorrow if they will hear from another witness that we know it is possible now if there is a vote on an indictment this week, and if the former president is indicted, we are told that his initial appearance in court would not be until next week. and notably, trump has an event in waco, texas, this weekend. we'll see if he follows through with that, if he is, in fact indicted paula reid from new york. thank you so much, paula. let's get to cnn legal analyst jennifer rogers. she is a former federal prosecutor. jennifer this pause in the action as apologists described it, the reporting that they're taking a moment to regroup. what do you make of that? well not too much, boris. because we don't know exactly what it means. i mean, we know that they had a witness in on
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monday. they need to take some time to absorb that and think about what the grandeur is thought of that. sometimes grandeur is themselves asked for more information or testimony after hearing from someone, so i'm not surprised that they wanted to absorb what they heard on monday. think about whether there's anything else they want to do. as we all know, this is completely uncharted territory, right, charging a former president, so i think it's very wise. i'm glad that alvin bragg and his team are thinking through everything they need to think through before actually asking for that indictment, so i don't make too much of it other than they're doing what they should be doing. and jennifer ever ever followed, turning specifically to new york's prosecution of trump. the new york times did bring up an interesting point. check this out. new york state prosecutors have never before filed an election law case involving a federal campaign bringing an untested case against anyone, let alone a former president of the united states carries the risk that a court could throw out or narrow that case. what's
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your take on that? does that make the prosecution harder for the d a. well, it certainly makes it a little bit harder to figure out what's going to happen, right? i mean, there's a first time for everything. there's no reason not to bring a case because the particular way that you're charging it hasn't been done before. if you think it's well grounded in the law, and you have the facts to support it, so if they choose to proceed this way, it will be because they think that they can get this case through and it will hold up now it's possible that they're wrong and this doesn't affect the underlying misdemeanor of falsifying records, but it would affect the elevation. of that to a felony, and if they're wrong, it could get thrown out before trial. it could actually get through to trial and after conviction, it could get thrown out on appeal. so there are some unknowns here, but you know they need to make their decision based on what they would do in any other case, no one is above the law. so if they would bring this case, and they would bring it in this way against anyone else, i think they should bring it against donald trump and, you know, see
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what happens, make their best arguments made in good faith, and we'll see where the chips fall. and jennifer before we let you go. we've got new details on one of the separate cases against the former president. this is the federal case in which we learned kind of overnight that the doj the department of justice has convinced a federal judge that trump used his attorney in the furtherance of a crime. this isn't that classified documents case. how significant is that development? so this is really interesting. judge beryl howell on her last day is the chief judge issues this ruling that not only does evan corcoran, the former president's lawyer, have to testify and cannot invoke the attorney client privilege anymore, like he did the first time, but they have to turn over notes and other information about the conversations that he had with the former president. this goes directly to whether the former president obstructed justice, but it also goes to the underlying crime about the documents because what happened was in corcoran was representing him in front of the national archives and with doj,
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representing her his client statements that there were no more documents. they had done a diligent search. and now judge howell is saying effectively that the former president lied to evan corporate about that. so that's going to be very, very fruitful terrain, i think for doj to mine with evan corcoran and if it is that it is, as it is reported to be, and that's of course, a big if we'll have to see what they actually get out of the furnace it it could be really huge. something to watch for sure. alright jennifer rogers. thanks so much. we appreciate it. ukrainian officials say russia is launching direct attacks on civilians after a missile strike hits an apartment block tereza or live in the ukraine next. and after calling it a hit and run for years, south carolina investigators now say 19 year old steven smith died from homicide. how this all stems from the murdoch murder investigation ahead. what will
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ground, telling cnn a drone strike hit a residential building in the region that surrounds kiev. meantime there was a separate russian attack on an apartment building in separate asia. at least one person was killed there. dozens more are missing and injured, including kids. officials in ukraine say that there are no military targets nearby. they're calling this a deliberate strike on civilians. joining us now is cnn's david mckenzie, who is live for us in ukraine. david officials say that people are still missing and potentially underneath that rubble. that's right. boris and jessica. it's been a desperate search for survivors on this awful strike separation, the strike, having in broad daylight, hitting that apartment building, people describe how they rescued or saved by even the smallest of margins. ukraine saying this is a deliberate strike impossible to verify that, but certainly every single day, it seems
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russian missiles, artillery shells and drones are hitting civilian areas and killing civilians, sometimes very far from any military positions. we've been in kosan close to odessa for two days on and off where you see these incoming and you hear the incoming rounds and the rocket strikes, which just in the last few days have hit the city. multiple times. this is the fear that civilians are living with here. and walk us through this. we also know that there have been some developments on us weapons that are heading to ukraine. but i guess the question is, are they arriving quickly enough. it's a great question, jessica. you know, president zelensky, as we know by now is continuously agitating to get weapons in more quickly, and the reason is you get a sense that ukrainians are really trying to build up their forces, their strategy and their armaments for a counter
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offensive to take on this endless bombardment from the russians and push the front lines back. the latest news is that the us government has committed to send those abrams tanks a slightly older version. to ukraine as soon as this fall and more than 30 of them. that's definitely significant and also the patriot missiles systems that they say ukrainians have been quick learners. they might might also come in the coming weeks. i think all of this is important from the ukrainian perspective. if it comes fast enough, that's the question because they certainly calling for it as fast as they can get it. jessica boris. alright, david mckenzie really laying it out for us there in odessa, ukraine. thanks so much. and as we get those updates from the front lines in ukraine that highly anticipated meeting between vladimir putin and chinese president xi ended without a thorough discussion of that chinese peace proposal for the war in ukraine. the two leaders made it clear, though, that their partnership is strong and only going to grow.
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historian douglas brinkley is joining us now and douglas. it's great to see you. there is clearly a desire here from putin and sheet disrupt this world order that's been in place for decades. what are the chances of that happening? and what should the us expect in the coming years? i think the disruption just happened, you know? look, the russian ukraine war is taxing everybody. it's become a which side are you on scenario? you know japan, for example, and great britain or nato allies are all with ukraine. with us. china is seeming to pivot to russia, and that means a problem for the united states. we still have the great trade agreements with china. there are great economic partner but on issues of energy and security, military affairs global world strategy. we're seeing the tilt to china with russia, and i think history will treat this summit meeting with president xi and president putin had as being an epic moment
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because we're now seeing as you just showed on the clips of what's going on in ukraine, a putin coming home feeling very empowered that china has his back that he's going to be able to get money out of them through his energy, corridor, gas, petroleum, minerals and much more, so it's been a very exasperatingly week. if you're worried about the u. s chinese relationship doug. i'm really fascinated by the way you described the world sort of moving into different camps or different blocks. if you will. it's very reminiscent of the cold war, and i'm reminded in the language that she jinping has used recently talking about the u. s strategy of containment against china and his desire to have china and russia be the guards of the world order. is this headed toward a new cold war? i think now it is, uh, i hate to say that i'm a cold war
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scholar by nature, you know, i wrote a biography of dean acheson, harry truman's secretary of state and studied george kennan's containment strategy against then soviet expansion after world war two, but we are seeing under putin and expansion first in the crimea. then into the ukraine. he has a desire desire to be the peter of the great of our time. in china is getting fed up with the united states. they have a long term strategy of strengthening or taking over their ties with taiwan. they like to minimize america's military presence in the pacific . they're doing technology heist from us all the time. you know, we're right now in congress sentenced talking about getting rid of tiktok. there's kind of a where were at loggerheads, and it's not good because back when nixon was president during the cold war when he went to china 18 72. he was wedging russia away from china and playing this middle ground between them both right now. i see china on on
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with team russia, certainly in the ukraine and certainly on their vision for having an authoritarian world order, not a democratic one like we fought for under franklin roosevelt and world war two. and you know it's interesting douglas because yesterday we saw xi and putin together there in russia. but then we also saw the japanese prime minister on the ground, making that surprise visit to ukraine, of course, the key western ally key us ally japan. ah this is really underscores. it would seem just how pivotal this war in ukraine is and what a role it is playing in this push and pull that we're seeing , but between these two worldviews. absolutely it's like which side are you on? you know, when i was growing up, you do a globe of the world and you paint communism and red and democracy and blue. something like that's happening now in japan, thank goodness is declaring their continued alliance with the united states. they're upping up , they're upping their military spending to historic heights.
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they're standing in solidarity with democracy in the ukraine, and so it is reassuring to have an ally like japan and you know, but nevertheless. less china is the big player now in international affairs, and you wonder. if this is going to start leading american suspicion of china is going to create in the political sphere here in 2024 more but made in america, you know, kind of economic program for both biden and whoever the republican might be , because we can't build cars in america if we can't if all of our products are being made in china, they can in many ways hold our economy hostage in addition to great cyberwar, cyber mischief problems to come . so we're at a nato in our us chinese relations right now. i haven't seen this happened since. you know the pre nixon years where the tension seems to be this tight. yeah, and part of what you just described about american manufacturing. so many of our chips come from taiwan, and that's why it's such an
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originally his cause of death was ruled as a hit and run. but investigators who were looking into the murders of maggie and paul murdoch said they found information that led them to open a homicide investigation into smith's death. cnn's dianne gallagher is joining us now live with the latest diane tell us about these new developments. so look, this is the first real update that we have received from state investigators since they announced that they were opening that investigation into the killing of stephen smith back in june of 2021, if you remember, they said the reason they were opening that investigation was because of information gathered during the course of a different investigation. into the murders of paul and maggie murdock. now look, there's never been any official connection made between the murdoch family and stephen smith's death. sled has never explained what information they gleaned. but in this
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conversation with an attorney for stephen smith's mother yesterday, they said that they, too, believed that he had not been hit by a car and was not the victim of a hit and run this mirrors what highway patrol said at the time. now look, there are a lot of questions about the murdoch connection here again. no suspects no one's ever been arrested. no one's ever been named as a suspect in stephen smith's death, but the name of buster murdoch has been thrown around in rumors, documentary social media podcast things like that. murdoch name was brought up by witnesses in highway patrol investigations back in 2015, but again no connection buster murdoch, releasing a statement this week, calling these vicious rumors, saying he's just been trying to grieve the death of his mother and his brother, his father, of course, convicted life in prison without parole for those murders earlier this month. buster murdoch, saying this has gone on far too long. these baseless rumors of my involvement with steven and his death are false, unequivocally deny any
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involvement in his death, and my heart goes out to the smith family look, as far as the smith family is concerned, his mother has said that all she cares about now is getting justice for her son. state law enforcement officials are asking anybody who may know anything about the death of stephen smith. to contact them in south carolina. diane gallagher. thank you so much for the update on that story. as former president donald trump wants to see if the manhattan district attorney will indict him is 2024 presidential campaign is getting more complicated? we'll explain. so what are we eating today? join me. eva lonongoria on a brand nw culinaryry adventure. first stop mexico city. you have to come here when you're in mexico city area, searching for mexico premiere sunday a10 on cnn always a fresh deal on the subway app like this 1 50% off.
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of his 2024 campaign in texas. but the big question, of course it's overshadowing this event. will he be indicted by the manhattan d, a on his alleged role in the hush money case, and we just learned we're gonna have to wait a bit longer for that. answer the grand jury hearing evidence in the case says it is not going to be meeting today with us now. olivia troy, former adviser to former vice president mike pence. and joe walsh, former republican congressman and host of the white flag podcast. olivia starting with you are reporting indicates that former president trump has sort of resigned to the fact that he could potentially be indicted. he believes it's going to happen , but he's apparently also considering turning it into a media spectacle. um being an alumni of the trump administration. i bet that doesn't surprise you. not at all . i think it's all part of the trump playbook. i think he started that spectacle when he decided that he was going to announce that he would be indicted and he had set a date
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for it. no one else had said this and confirmed it. it's called coming from him and look , he's he's running the playbook that works every single time very efficiently because what happened? republican officials still in line right behind him, and people are sitting here wondering why is he still the front runner in the republican party? why is he gaining traction? well, he's gaining traction. because the pundits out there and the republican officials are helping him. by pushing these narratives and standing behind him. and joe, i want to go to you for a second, because once again, republicans are talking about donald trump. and he is, of course not. only that was we were just talking about kind of created this medical media spectacle around what's going on, but he's under investigation in multiple cases . republicans want to be talking about agenda items. when i'm in the halls of congress, they don't want to be talking about donald trump. but what does this mean for the 2024 presidential race? but even the house and senate races as we look ahead to all of that? it's a great
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question. what it means is donald trump is the front runner, and, in all likelihood, he'll be the republican party nominee and in all like the republicans will lose that house and, uh, continue out of power in the united states senate look for republicans were living in donald trump's world. i know for the rest of us. this is crazy, right? trump could be indicted 234 times this year, and you know what? in a weird way that will. it's not a weird way that will help him in the republican party because republican party voters look at him as a victim. the deep state is after him. and if you're nikki haley or mike pence, aronda santis. you can't disagree with that, because that's not what republican voters want to hear. so trump's actually strengthened with all of this potential criminal activity. joe i'm glad you
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mentioned rhonda santis because we have a sound bite from his interview with piers morgan that i want to play for everyone. listen to this. which is your favorite nickname that trump's given you so far as it run, rhonda, sanctimonious or meatball, right? why can't he went off meatball wrong? i can't i don't know how to spell the sanctimonious. i don't really know what it means. but you know, i kind of like it's long. it's got a lot of valves. i mean, so we'll go with that. that's fine. you know, you can call me you can call me whatever you want. i mean, just as long as you you know, also call me a winner because that's what we've been able to do in florida has put a lot of points on the board and really take this state to the next level. this santis joking about the nicknames that trump has given him but also pointing out that, in contrast to trump in 2020, he won re election in the state of florida by a sizable margin. joe predicted that donald trump was likely to be the republican nominee. olivia as you watch rhonda santa's here, where do you put his odds of potentially beating trump? well i think he's
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still trying to separate himself from trump at the reality is if you look at what rhonda sanders is doing, he's parroting trump's talking points. he parents every all the actions, the parents all of these initiatives, so he's trump's mini me right. and so i think when it comes down to the voters, i think they're gonna turn around at some point and be like, well, actually, he's he's trump and we're already behind trump, so why not stick with him? um and again like i don't see any differentiating between the two of them. i don't see any actual substantive policy initiatives behind us santas, but unfortunately, if you look at the polling, uh, it's trump into santa's certainly at the top. none of these other people that i think would be more traditional responsible conservatives. that are behind in the polling. but look, this is still trump's party and all of these people are helping him, including my former boss, mike pence, who was out there pushing the this is a political hit job, talking points with the percent potential trump indictment. i
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mean, that that's absolutely shameful. i don't know what kind of path he's on for political suicide there. but why not just speak about this honestly and stop undermining our judicial system? and i hear what? olivia what you're saying in terms of the santas kind of parenting, parroting the same policy initiatives and whatnot. but joe he seems to be trying to based on the comments he had a couple of days ago. kind of thread the needle where he has the trump policies, but he's going to try to make the case that he doesn't have the trump baggage. do you think he can sell that to primary voters? no i think that's an impossible needle to thread and i don't think the census has the skill to thread it because he's not real, and he's not authentic. look the polling after the midterms between trump and the santis were neck and neck, and now trump is way up. why what changed? well trump's in the news every day, and you've got new york going after trump and soon georgia will go after trump
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and then the justice department may indict trump. for criminal behavior but from republican party base voters perspective this is the deep state going after our guy and republican party base, voters are going to rally around their guy, and there's really nothing to santis or haley or any of them can do about that. alright olivia, troy and joe walsh. we got to leave it there. thanks so much for your insight. we appreciate it. so major news for folks looking for an organ transplant. the u. s government is planning a massive overhaul of the organ transplant system. explain what's in the new plan when we come back. when i started my new kombuchaha business, thought the would be a lot more kombucha and a lolot less business as a new small business owner. i've learned that trying to be the cool boss is a lot harder when you're actually stressed boss
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that helps without asking twain prize for american humor. celebrate adam sandler sunday on cnn. the biden administration is planning a major overhaul of the u. s organ transplant system. this new proposal seeks to break up the current monopoly over the system by one organization in an effort to shorten wait times and reduced the death toll among patients. cnn's elizabeth cohen joins us now, with more details on this, elizabeth, this is big news for anybody out there waiting for an organ transplant. it certainly is big news. the organ transplant system in this country has basically been run by the same people for more than 30 years. they've had a contract with the federal government. this group is called the united network for organ sharing, or you knows, and let's take a look at the state of organ transplantation in the country. right now, the numbers are are not fabulous. 100,000 people are waiting for organ transplantation that includes kidneys, lungs, hearts,
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everything 6000 people a year die waiting for trans plants. 70 deaths have been reported due to system failures from 2010 to 2020. that's, according to a senate finance committee report that was done last year. that report was scathing. rarely have i seen a report that was so critical. let's take a look at what they said they said from the top down. the us transplant network is not working. putting americans lives at risks the you know this information technology system is outdated, mismanaged and insecure. the report went on to say that technology is quote , decrepit and that they see no apparent solution in sight. so we reached out to, you know, to see what they think about this, and here's what they said. they said, you know, supports hearses , which is a part of hhs hearses plan to introduce additional reforms into the nation's organ donation and transplantation system. we also stand united with her so in our shared goal to get as many donor organs as possible to the patients in need, while increasing
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accountability, transparency and oversight, so here's what the toral government is going to do they are going to seek others to get this contract. not just you knows jessica boris wow 70 deaths caused by systemic failures. that is unacceptable. elizabeth cohen. thank you so much for your reporting. stay with cnn newsroom, we're back in just moments. what does it mean to be ever better? it's your customers getting what they ordered when they expected discover how rider e commerce makes your customers' experience ever better. who from tried and true to try something new. so many ways to save life ready wallet happy that's 3 65 by whole foods market. future is here. we've been creating it for more than 100 years. putting the
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