enjoy a spotless house for $19. good morning, everyone we do begin with breaking news this morning. close captioning is brought to you by skechers max cushioning. do you struggle to put on your shoes when you leave the house and going audible with new max cushioning hands free sketches slipping. it's easy. just step in and go try new max cushioning handsfree sketches slipping. good evening two big pieces tonight at the former president's multifaceted legal saga one going more slowly than perhaps some, including perhaps the former president might have expected. and tonight we know why the other comparatively moving at warp speed the slow cases. manhattan district attorney alvin brags grand jury probe of the stormy daniels hush money case. no indictments again today, a source telling cnn john miller that brags offices trying to decide whether to call back former fixer michael cohen to rebut defense testimony from monday. we also learned just how much money the former president

has already raised since claiming over the weekend that he had been indicted by yesterday, his campaign telling fox today they've taken in $1.5 million, so making up a story that he would be indicted yesterday. has paid off for the former president donations and as all this plays out, one of the former president's capitol hill enablers showed again today he's not willing to back up his words with evidence. senator rand paul for second straight day, refusing to say why d a brag should be, in the words of his tweet yesterday, put in jail. senator paul. what lie did did the alvin bragg break that needs to go to jail? why do you think he needs to be in jail? that's the slow moving case, the faster one being the federal classified documents probe last night we learned that the d c circuit court of appeals had just demanded legal filings from both sides by this morning arguments on whether to set aside attorney client privilege and compel additional testimony and trump and documents from that man, trump's attorney, evan corcoran. by late this afternoon , the court had ruled against

corcoran, who has source tells us is now scheduled to testify this friday. there's upholds what sources say the judge, barrel howls sealed finding that prosecutors have enough evidence to meet the crime fraud except exception to attorney client privilege, which is a rare thing evidence showing that corcoran's interactions with the former president were part of a possible crime that's stunning in and of itself and remarkable in the sheer speed of it all, so there's a lot to get to tonight. we start here in new york with cnn's paula reid. what is the latest we've learned that the district attorney's office is weighing whether or not they should bring michael cohen back before the grand jury. he's already been before the grand jury twice. but as you may remember, on monday attorney robert costello, he appeared before the grand jury at the request of trump attorneys and his role was to attack cohen's credibility and he could do that because he previously represented cohen back in 2018, and he testified that at that time, cohen told him that these hush money payments or his idea , and, of course that contradicts with cohen has said

subsequently, so now prosecutors are trying to figure out okay. do we need to bring cohen back to buttress or case or should we bring another witness back to button things up before moving on to a vote for an indictment now? the other big question is, you know they're just going to take a little bit of time. the question is how much as they were told, reflect on the historic nature of what they might be starting to do, and also just kind of recon bob pilate after this unexpected event on monday, right, prosecutors run the show at the grand jury. they didn't expect the defense to request this witness also under intense pressure, so interesting to see how they respond to that. is there any clear right now? the review viewed by the former president yeah, well, publicly, he embraces it right. he even speculates about a possible arrest and in the same breath fundraisers and calls for protests behind the scenes. we're told that he does believe this is unfair. but he and his advisers have been become resigned to the fact that it is likely that he will be indicted, but he is trying to play it to

his political advantage, right. he's very good at framing himself. as the victim trying to become a martyr, which is part of why he wants to appear in person, and at least one of his attorneys suggested maybe we could try to request a remote hearings for security reasons. he did not want anything to do with that. he wants to appear. he wants the spectacle. if he's indicted, who do who is the do we know who the other witnesses potential witness that they may bring forth? we don't know. i mean, there are certainly some possibilities. we know. for example, stormy daniels has spoken with investigators has never gone before the grand jury , but we don't have any reporting that suggests she is the other one on deck, but they have to find some way to sort of buttress their case before moving on to a vote on a possible indictment. they clearly feel whatever, costello said monday. change the dynamic here and they need to do a little repair. alright paula reid, stay with us. i want to bring in cnn senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor lee hoenig. his newest book is untouchable. how powerful people get away with it. also cnn senior political commentator scott jennings, former special assistant to president george w. bush so

elliot, the grand jury didn't meet today. in his paula reported the ds wain bringing michael cohen back. what does that tell you about where this may be going? this is a warning sign for prosecutors. and here's why, for the past many weeks, this has been a completely one side. do you show? that's how grand juries work. this has been the prosecutors putting their witnesses in front of the grand jurors asking their questions. no defense lawyers, no cross examinations. now there's a unique feature of new york state law that says a defendant potential defendant can offer his own evidence trump's team took that they put in one witness this robert costello and all of sudden prosecutors are backtracking. and they're wondering, do we need to report this guy? if they believe costello did no damage to their case, they'd say we're good. we don't need to rebut him and the fact that they're considering this is a real problem. was the grand jury is the easy part. grand juries cakewalk for prosecutors. all you need is a majority, not a unanimous jury, like you would would at trial and all you have to prove your case is by probable cause down here, not beyond a reasonable doubt. so if you're struggling, a grand jury, not a good sign for trial, scott, i don't know

why the prosecutors would be surprised that costello would say that michael cohen is a liar. i mean, michael cohen has lied for his entire career for donald trump. uh so i'm not sure what new costello would have added into this. well it it makes me think he might have added very specific things that were germane to getting the grand jurors to believing this theory that the d a here has remembered. this is a seven year old misdemeanor about business records that's being contorted into a novel. felony and so my i'm not a lawyer, eli's lawyer, but i might. my instinct is in order to pull off a high wire act like that. you can have pretty good balance. and if somebody comes in and knocks you off balance, even a little. you could fall right off the falsifying business records. how serious i mean, are people i've been reading that there are a lot of people get prosecuted that for that in new york. it's a misdemeanor, as scott said, which means no one goes to prison for a misdemeanor. there is a way that it can be bumped up to what we call a class e

felony. that's the lowest level of felony coz a through e. if they can show that the records were falsified. in order to commit some second crime. there's a little bit of uncertainty about what that second crime would be here. the thinking is a campaign finance violation. these hush money payments were designed to protect donald trump electorally as opposed to personally. even then, though, it's important to know even if that happens, and he's convicted of that, quite likely, he's not even sentenced to prison. if there is an indictment. do we know what the timeline then is of? the announcing, i mean, does that immediately become known? what how does great question here's what we know about the choreography if they vote to indict the charges will be filed under seal, and i am told that the district attorney's office would then notify the defense attorneys that there has been an indictment but not necessarily the charges. then they would work together both sides to negotiate a self surrender an initial appearance work together on those logistics, told that the former president would absolutely surrender. they would negotiate an initial appearance if he's indicted this week. that wouldn't be until next week. now when might it leak? well based on my years and years of

reporting on the former president, his attorneys, i think once his defense team knows they will likely inform their clients and at that point , it is possible that we could get a truth social post or something on social media, because that's of course what he did with mara lago. he broke the news about the duly executed search warrants. he framed it as a raid. if he can break the news. he can frame it the way he wants, and again at that point, we could be acting in the absence of any knowledge about exactly what the charge prosecutors won't make a public statement about an indictment. they won't hold a press conference to announce it at this point. my reporting is that they do not intend to treat this any differently than any other case, but of course this is unlike any other case, but at this point they do not intend to make any statement prior to that initial appearance reporting now about prior communications between stormy daniels and one of the former president's current attorneys, right, so the lawyer here is joe tacopina. it turns out, joe tacopina had communications with stormy daniels in the past where she was talking to him about maybe

being her lawyer that probably is going to be an attorney client relationship, meaning he owes her a duty of confidentiality. so the question is what happens now? can he still represent donald trump? if stormy, daniels is a witness against him now this actually happens sometimes and what will happen is the judge is going to be very reluctant to throw joe tacopina off this case because judges respect a defendant's right to have his council of choosing so the judge will probably ask donald trump. your lawyer, joe tacopina. has this conflict used to represent a witness. are you okay with that? and if trump says i get it, i'm okay with it. then they can proceed. but tacopina will not be allowed to cross examine stormy daniels will have to wall himself off from that. i mean, i'm sure you've been asked this a million times. what do you think this means for the former president in terms of i mean, this case being brought forward, does it hurt him does is it something he should embrace and lean into? well he's very good at embracing and leaning into to victimization. and look, i'm just gonna level with you guys. most republicans, even the people that don't want to vote for him again. think that in the

history of sex no one's ever had to do as much paperwork about it is donald trump and the idea that you'd be charged with a crime for it. seven years later, i mean it just by a d. a. by the way, who is downgraded a bunch of violent, violent people while they're upgrading some seven year old sex paperwork case, so yeah, he's going to lean into it. republicans are obviously responding to it. they're raising money weakens the other potential charges percent because what they did in georgia quite obviously deadly serious. the documents maybe. january 6th, obviously, uh, this one this one? not should not be your leadoff hitter. this ought to be batting ninth, if not on the bench. is it possible that bragg is getting calls from other the other prosecutors involved in these other cases like, what are you doing? don't do this. it could be. i mean, we have no reporting to that effect, but you know, it's important. understand these are all three separate sovereigns doj, the fulton county d, a. the manhattan d a. they all run their own shops. they don't have to report to each other. if i was the king of all prosecutors and could get everyone together.

i would say let's do the most serious one first. let's do january 6th first. then let's move to classified documents. and i agree with scott here, i would say either the stormy daniels thing goes last or not at all. alright elie honig, scott jennings, polaroid. thank you so much coming up next more on the line about classified documents case today's court defeat for the former president what this says about the government's case against him later, new developments in the death of a young south carolina man found nearly eight years ago in a road in the low country. his death came in light to light in a big way with the alex murdoch story. now police are looking at his death of his death as a homicide for the first time. stephen smith is his name. his mom joins me coming up. make your dream car. a reality.

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donald trump may have committed a crime, and he may have used his attorney to do that. and because of that, that sort of pierces the attorney client privilege. it means that no longer stands, corgan has to answer more questions, and the appeals court upheld that decision. now trump spokesperson , as you said, is weighing in on this this evening, saying there is no factual or legal basis or substance to any case against president trump. the real story here is that prosecutors only attack lawyers when they have no case whatsoever. can you just remind viewers of the role that kevin corcoran has played in the classified documents? saga i mean, he's really a critical witness for prosecutors because he was sort of in the thick of all this. remember last spring when donald trump got this subpoena to hand over any remaining documents at mara lago with classification markings on it, 11 corcoran was one of the people who was involved in that search for documents he was involved in crafting the statement they later provided to the governor. moment saying we've done this diligent search , you know the one christina bob signed and these are all the classified documents that we can find. and then remember, we

learned, of course, when the fbi showed up in search mara lago that that wasn't accurate. there were plenty of other documents. floating around with classification markings. so in january of this year, evan corcoran goes before the grand jury he deserves. preliminary testimony refuses to answer a bunch of questions, and that sort of gets us to where we are now with this flurry of legal motions before these courts, and ultimately this decision by the appeals court that he has to go back in murray appreciate. i want to get some perspective now from cnn contributor john dean, who served as white house counsel in the next administration has certainly familiar with presidents facing legal jeopardy. also harvard law school senior lecturer and former federal judge nancy gertner john how big a deal is this ruling from the federal court in washington. i think it's a big deal. it's a big deal because this contrary to trump's take. he could be a remarkable witness with documents to cooperate his own statements. apparently he made contemporaneous notes that he dictated and then later transcribed. and so this is a this is a real serious ruling. uh and it the exception to the

fried the crime fraud. ah rule shows that the judge thinks there's probable cause there is a crime here. i mean, judge gardner. can you just explain how rare it is for a judge to actually allow prosecutors to pierce the attorney client privilege and the high bar? the prosecutors have to clear for that to happen? well in 17 years on the bench. i don't remember ever, uh, finding that the crime fraud exception had been met really mean the notion the you know the privilege is a very significant privilege in in the law. and so the notion that you set it aside if you believe that the client is using the privilege not to get legal advice, but to hide something and since the key to the moral lago case is whether trump willfully retained, willfully retain classified documents. it's kind of testimony could be very important if the lawyer essentially was told by trump don't worry, i'll take care of it, you know, um and then drafted a document that said, we've done a diligent search

when he hadn't and he was in touch with trump to the opposite effect, then it could have some significance here. but it's very unusual judge gardner just to be clear the court rulings in washington correct me. if i'm wrong. it means that multiple judges concur with the department of justice that they have evidence that former president used his attorney, the further into the crime. and is there any other interpretation of this? no, not only that the speed with which they operated suggests that there really wasn't an issue here. right so judge howell issued the decision . she said that they the government said they wanted to appeal, she said a briefing schedule. the court of appeals rather set up briefing schedule . that was a matter of hours, and they issued their decision a matter of hours later. i mean, it suggested that there is no there there on the president, former president side that is, it's extraordinary and itself and johnny if prosecutors have compelling evidence, the former president used his attorney in furtherance of a crime. what party investigation? do you think that would likely involved

? would you expect it to be the obstruction piece? it's hard to tell. ah as the judge suggested it could show his intent to willfully keep these documents contrary to the statute that makes him forces him to return them. they are classified, and they're all sets of rules that govern classified documents, and the government is very aggressive in going after this kind of information. i don't think the government is comfortable that trump indeed has turned over everything he might have. so that's probably giving them impetus to move quickly, rather than slowly is on this case judge it's not only the corcoran's expected to testify he's also being asked to turn over documents, including handwritten transcribe verbal notes regarding his representation of the former president. hmm what kind of evidence my prosecutors be looking for their what's the advantage of that? it would show what trump knew whether you know when we first when the first the search took place. initially, people were wanted to characterize the documents at

mara lago, as maybe it was a whoops, you know, like the pence documents the documents that have been found in vice president pence's house or the documents found in in president biden vice but then face president biden's house that was like maybe it wasn't named advertisements. this is going to be testimony that suggests that it was intentional and the intentional retention of these documents is key to the crime. nancy gertner, john dean, i appreciate it. thank you. as john dean himself knows his former boss was the gold standard. if you can call it that, for presidents accused of serious crimes, he's only one of two who have even come close to being indicted. the other, of course, bill clinton. more in both now from cnn's randi kaye. five people have been arrested and charged with breaking into the headquarters of the democratic national committee in the middle of the night. 17th 1972 a break in at the watergate building, president richard nixon denied any involvement learned from news reports. of the watergate break in still at

hearings held by the senate watergate committee, witnesses testified about the voice activated taping system in the oval office. on those secret recordings. richard nixon can be heard talking about the watergate break in, when were those devices placed in the oval office? approximately the summer of 1970. nixon invoked executive privilege and refused to give up the tapes to the special prosecutor until the supreme court forced him to. we're not playing nixon knew he was going to be indicted if he stayed in the white house, the wolves were barking at his den. in fact, this document released in 2018 by the national archives is the grand jury's draft indictment dated february 1st 1974. it shows they plan to charge nixon was several crimes, including obstruction of justice. ultimately nixon was named as an unindicted co conspirator, and

after the house judiciary committee passed three articles of impeachment against nixon resigned in disgrace. the full house never voted on the articles of impeachment. i shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow. his successor , president gerald ford, pardoned him and nixon was never indicted. more than 20. years later, another president was staring down. an indictment did not have sexual relations with that woman. miss lewinsky that was president bill clinton in january, 1998 denying he had an affair with then white house intern monica lewinsky. that same month. he denied it again under oath during a deposition in a sexual harassment case brought against him by a woman named paula jones. months later, he reversed course. in a deposition in january, i was asked questions about my relationship with monica lewinsky. while my answers were legally accurate. i did not volunteer information. indeed, i

did have a relationship with mr lynskey that was not appropriate. clinton had perjured himself during that earlier deposition by falsely claiming he hadn't had sexual relations with lewinsky. lying under oath during a deposition is a felony, there was very great drumbeat for him to have criminal charges, not just pressed against him, but to have him arrested for lying to the federal government for perjuring himself months later, during his grand jury testimony, clinton explained whatever happened with lewinsky in his eyes. was not sexual relations did not constitute sexual relations as i understood that term to be defined. at my january 17th 1998 deposition. but they did involve inappropriate. contact. by then the damage was done. still clinton avoided indictment by admitting in an agreement with

the independent counsel that he gave false testimony under oath. there was a whole slew of agreements that clinton made just to kind of clean the air and to allow himself to have a noble post presidency. randi kaye, cnn. coming up on two. santis is no longer just taking punches from the former president. he's now trying to throw some as well. the question is to what effect will talk to david axelrod next. friday on cnn, primetime jason sudeikis joins jake tapper emmy award winning show is back for a new season as he talks one on one about the show's focus on mental health and the recent visit to the white house, cnn, primetime friday and nine fauna, the company who invented car vending machines and buying a car 100% online. now we've created a brand new way for you to sell your car. whether it's a year old or a few years old. we want to buy your car to car vonna, your license plate. answer a few questions and our techno

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which is your favorite nickname that trump's given you so far as it run, rhonda, sanctimonious or meatball rock. why can't even he went off meatball wrong, but i can't i don't know how to spell the sanctimonious. i don't really know what it means. but you know, i kind of like it's long. it's got a lot of valves. i mean, so we'll go with that. that's fine. you know, you can call me you can call me whatever you want. i mean, just as long as you, you know, also call me a winner. today. the former president responded to the interview, he criticized the governor's record on covid crime and education. he also said this quote the fact is, ron is an average governor, but the best by far in the country in one category, public relations where he easily ranks number one, but it is all a mirage. just look at the facts and figures they don't lie. and we don't want ron as our president. i'm joined now by cnn senior political commentator david axelrod, a former senior adviser to president obama, david, i'm wondering what you make of the former president and governor desantis sort of finally directly taking the fight to each other. although i sanders sort of doing it

seemingly reluctantly. um yeah. is that wise? well, first of all , it's isn't it ironic to hear trump criticizing someone for being good at public relations? i mean, you know, he's a master brander, and that's what he's all about. so he's kind of criticizing, uh, santa's for doing what he's done for so long. but i just said, it's really got drawn into this current thing because don donald trump jr and others were baiting him and saying, why aren't you speaking out on behalf of the president against this obviously political prosecution in new york and so he did what he's he did in that broadcast, but earlier to an audience, he said. i don't know anything about what it's like to pay off a porn star , you know, paid hush money to a point star. but and then he slammed the prosecutor for being a. you know george soros supported left wing prosecutor who wants to politicize his prosecution. so he did a little of both right and that's his

message. his messages you can have trumpism without the craziness in the chaos, and that's me. that's what i'm offering here and i think you're going to see that again and again. i want to play just something else, he said in that interview with fox. just in terms of my approach to leadership. you know, i get personnel in the government who have the agenda of the people and share our agenda. if you bring your own agenda in your gone, we're just not going to have that. so the way we run the government, i think is no daily drama focus on the big picture and put points on the board and i think that that's something that's very important. given that the sanders clearly wants to campaign as trump without the drama, you said, is there any bigger gift than for him than the former president fuming all over the place about possibly being indicted? uh no. look well, i think in the short term , the indictment that's pending in new york is a gift to trump.

i think it will rally his base. uh i think that it does underscore the santos's message , and as these things pile up, i think it will further emphasized his message that this is just too much baggage. okay you may like trying. i sat in anderson. i sat in on a focus group with republican voters in downstate illinois for the since two politics uh, at the university of chicago and what they said almost to a person was we liked trump. we think he was a good president. we don't think he got treated all that fairly. but he's just too much trouble. it reminds me of my mother used to say to me, i love you. i just hate the things you do, and that's sort of how they feel about donald trump. they love him, but they kind of hate the things he does. they think it creates too much noise. too much static. that's what the santis is counting on interesting because since december descendants has gone from having a 13 point. point lead over the former president to trailing him by 14 points among republican voters. is that just because

before people didn't really know much about rhonda sanders. and they just say they liked him because of the little. they knew about him. and the more they hear about them, the more they don't like him. or how do you read that? look i think some of it is the impact of trump turning his his his training his fire on two santas and this is going to be you know, you poke the bear. the bear is going to poke you back, and this is something that santos is going to have to endure. presidential races are a gauntlet. and you've got to run that gauntlet and part of the gauntlet on the republican side is that but on the other of the other hand, trump training is guns on the santis really signifies the fact that he believes de santis is his principal opponent, and for the half of the republican party that doesn't want trump to be the nominee than the santis, uh, looks more and more like the guy they should be with, and trump is certifying him as such, so if he can stand up to the fire of trump this can actually strengthen him. thanks very much. appreciate it. coming up.

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person and wounding at least 32 more. now this city is located just about a half hour's drive from active front lines, and it has been pummeled in the past by russian missiles and rockets that have hit apartment buildings here with deadly results these buildings kind of face towards the southwest, and that is in the direction of russian occupied ukrainian territory, so you can kind of come to the conclusion that this deadly projectile would have flown from that direction. we can hear at night now under cover of darkness. some residents in some of the neighboring apartments that have been badly damaged working in the dark. cleaning up rubble and shards of glass in what's left of their homes. missile hits his hair. and my apartment is there is kitchen. my parent's room. and my room when it happened. i

heard a loud explosion. i saw your fire. and i covered my head . uh pavel and on children. they're taking me up to their apartment there right next to i mean, they're part of the same building that was hit today. rosie and rosie rose here. there's a crater. right next door in the side of the building . bible says this does not scare him. please give us more weapons . imagine how terrifying how absolutely shocking it would have been. if you were at home when this massive explosion took place, blowing in all the windows of the kitchen. and then to see just. less than a stone's throw away a huge crater in the side of your neighbors building and it leaves me with this question. what possible strategic military goal could there be to fire deadly long

range missiles? at people's homes. and i've been watching joins us now from from ukraine. and how are residents coping with the aftermath of the attack? you know anderson last week i was in another ukrainian city to the north east of here. that was also there was an apartment building also hit by russian rockets, and there's some similarities. i arrive on the scene several hours later. nobody's crying. nobody's complaining. everybody's just going about the business of cleaning up putting up sheets of wood over their windows that have all been shattered to stay warm. the family that i saw today they were offered hotel rooms by the city government, but they want to be at their home, even though there's no elect. trice itty there no heat there right now, but they say it's their home. that young man that i talked to he's 20 years old, he said. you know, there's something about the russians, they always seem to be shooting at civilians, and he went on to say they destroy everything they

touch. again nobody is complaining, but there is seething anger at the much larger neighbor that seems to be repeatedly firing at ukrainian towns and cities. last night at least eight people killed in the kiev region by iranian shahid drones that the ukrainians say hit dormitories near an educational institution. i've been watching. i appreciate it. thank you. next one on one with the mom of stephen smith and her attorney on her son's mysterious death nearly eight years ago, which gained national attention during the year. alex murdoch investigation her reaction to a crucial new step in the investigation of her son's death ahead. if you think, think or swim isn't for you think again. it's a dynamic suite of trading platforms designed for every kind of traitor whether you're a minimalist a maximalist addicted to the details, type dip in and

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revealed exactly what that information was. but it's important to note just this week , an attorney for smith's mom said, quote. this is not an alec murdoch two point oh, or any murdoch two point oh, this is the stephen smith two point. oh it's all about stephen just before air time. i spoke with stephen smith's mom, sandy, and that attorney eric bland. sandy, i appreciate you joining us. you have been fighting for nearly eight years now, too. to get justice for your son. how do you feel now that the investigation has been is being looked at as a homicide now, finally. i'm just overwhelmed. um, i've been fighting. this is what i've been fighting for. and i'm finally getting it. um. i don't know how to explain it, but i have a little bit of peace in the hall. yeah. do you know? as you said,

you've been fighting to get more attention on and find out exactly what happened to your son, really? from the beginning , and it has been nearly eight years now. it'll be eight years this july. did you know i mean when, early on when they said, well, it looks like it was. you know, it was blunt force trauma , you know, motor vehicle accident. he was probably hit on the road walking on the side of the road. did you believe that at all? i did not told him that i said there's no way this is a hit and run. my son would not walk in that road. there was some at the time, some of law enforcement officials pointed out that there was no car debris . there was no skid marks. there was no sign of actually have there having been any kind of traffic accident or. that that that he was hit by a car. um i know sandy. you've raised more than $80,000 on on a go fund me

page. yeah to have his body exhumed. are you planning to still go ahead to try to get a new autopsy for him? absolutely. you know, from the beginning of always said that, you know. pathologist is a voice for the dead. and the one who finalized his death certificate. i do not believe that she gave justice too much fun. she did not speak his boy for his boys. sandy, you just want answers, and whether do you? do you feel like you know what happened? sandy, or you open to open to whatever it's the evidence will show. i'm open to the evidence and the only dispute i had was that it was not a hit and run. hmm. and that's what i've been saying from the beginning, and i felt

my son was murdered. he was beaten to death. and i think it was a hate crime and i don't care what your name is that has no value to me. but who? whatever your name is union being punished for what you did to my son. sandy tell me if you could about about stephen, you, you i assume you you knew he was gay. i mean being openly gay in the low country. he sounds like a very brave young man. oh he was and i know a lot of people ask. well, how was it when he came out, and i said he never had to come out. he never had to take. hey, mom, i'm gay. he knew he was loved and his choices in life was his choices. and he did not have to answer to me or anybody else who he was. did you worry about him? course. of

course i mean, worried about the haters. do you know what's everywhere and in every situation but. he was careful. it was very careful. he's very cautious. and when he talked about people he never gave a name. hmm. never. eric. what? what do you think happened here? um i do think it was a hate crime. anderson i think we had a courageous 19 year old, openly gay young man. who was a nursing student who wanted to become a doctor. who had relationships that i think will come out with some very important people. uh some who were married and i believe that he was killed for being gay. remember we're in the low country of south carolina anderson. we're not in new york

city or philadelphia, where i grew up. and it wasn't easy to be gay. in, um bamberg, south carolina. not easy at all. and i just think that maybe a relationship that he had was going to be outed or something happened in one of his friendships. or people just have such dark hearts that they just wanted to kill a gay boy. and i think it's despicable and i think that's what's going to come out. sandy, what do you want people to know about your son. pink was my life was my world. he was mischievous and he was just, um. everything so he was mischievous from the time he was a little boy. yes, absolutely. hmm. i think i think he had you wrapped around his finger. he did? yeah, it was my

baby. anderson. don't forget he was a twin so his twin sister stephanie, has to live. without half half her heart. you know, that's a big deal. it's not only the loss of sandy, but we're talking about twins here and, uh extraordinary loss. yeah. well eric, i appreciate you being on and sandy. i appreciate you being with us so much, and i appreciate your courage and i wish you the best and continued strength and peace in the days ahead. well, thank you so much for having a son. mom of stephen smith coming up taking a very different direction into space, with some help from our data guru harry antonov bureau back. mm hmm. car garage shop buy sell

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put that in perspective, you could take a domestic round trip flight, the average you can fly over 1000. times. atlantic one. yes one trip one trip for $450,000. or you can. do you know the road trip in the summer and that you could do the average road trip over 5000 times nearly 6000 times. that seems like a much better use of the time. how big a deal was going into space put in perspective for us back when in the space race beginning of john glenn, right? he was like a hero to everybody. 90% of americans knew who he was in 1963. that was more than you who richard nixon was the former vice president and also the one time presidential candidate obviously became present later on. i don't think there's a single astronaut that more than 60 or 70% of americans can name possibly today. do people want to go into space? is this a popular thing? know what's so interesting is in fact, i have no desire. you have no desire less about going to space, and the majority of americans don't want to go to space only about 40% a little bit more want to go to