that's for one trip $450,000. to put that in perspective, you could take a domestic round trip flight, the average you can fly over 1000. times. atlantic one. yes one trip one trip for $450,000. or you can. do you know the road trip in the summer and that you could do the average road trip over 5000 times nearly 6000 times. that seems like a much better use of the time. how big a deal was going into space put in perspective for us back when in the space race beginning of john glenn, right? he was like a hero to everybody. 90% of americans knew who he was in 1963. that was more than you who richard nixon was the former vice president and also the one time presidential candidate obviously became present later on. i don't think there's a single astronaut that more than 60 or 70% of americans can name possibly today. do people want to go into space? is this a popular thing? know what's so interesting is in fact, i have no desire. you have no desire less about going to space, and the majority of americans don't want to go to space only about 40% a little bit more want to go to space,

but i have a question for the crew here. do you guys want to go to space if you were offered the opportunity 11 loud response , but everybody else sort of lackluster, not really lukewarm . lukewarm at best. stanton thanks very much. news continues . cnn prime time with over here . maybe. yeah. caitlin collins starts now. tonight fever pitch legal peril facing former president trump reaches a boiling point to see who's going to indict president trump, first his own attorney is ordered to testify in the classified documents. probe manhattan grand jury nears a final decision in the stormy daniels case completely uncharted territory is an indictment imminent plus balancing act. the federal reserve raises interest rates, but can it fight inflation without sparking another bank crisis, risking pushing our kana me into a recession as the stock market plunges. what does this all mean for your job and your savings? and ticktock goes to

washington direct threat to our way of life. controversial apps ceo preparing to testify on capitol hill politicians have started talking about planning picked the number of americans using the platform swells. could the app actually get banned? cnn prime time starts now. good evening. i'm caitlin collins alongside and all star team of my fellow cnn anchors here, sara seidner, michael smerconish and laura coates. tonight we are going to be breaking down all the day's biggest stories together and justin, we are going to start with this because see it in his learned that the manhattan grand jury that is considering a potential indictment for president trump will be reconvening tomorrow. they did not meet today in that stormy daniels hush money case that we've been talking about all week. the district attorney, alvin bragg, still listed very

little about the status of the probe, and whether or not trump is even going to be charged. but this pro does appear to be nearing a conclusion. and meanwhile, there is also been in another case, a big defeat for trump and another investigation this one into his handling of classified documents. the d c. circuit court of appeals ruled today that trump's own attorney , evan corcoran, must testify again before washington grand jury. this time without the protection of attorney client privilege. that means that the justice department has successfully convinced the court that the former president's interactions with evan parker and his defense attorney or potentially part of a possible crime, overriding that protected attorney client privilege. let's start tonight with cnn's paula reid, who is here, joining us on the set. i want to not start with that investigation. there are two that we're tracking right now. one is moving a little bit slower than the other one. and that is the case here in manhattan, where we solve that the grand jury did not go and have meet today reconvene. we are told they're going to do

so tomorrow. what are you expecting? that's right. we know right now. behind closed doors. prosecutors are weighing whether they should bring michael cohen back. cohen has already testified before the grand jury twice he's met with investigators 20 times. the reason they would have to bring him back, though, is that on monday, a witness robert costello, an attorney testified before the grand jury, and his role was to attack cohen's credibility. this was a witness that the defense the trump team requested. go before the grand jury, so whatever happened grand jury room. whatever, costello said. now we've learned that prosecutors are trying to figure out if they need to bring cohen back to rebut that testimony or if they could bring a different witness back to rebut that testimony, so it's going to be really interesting to see tomorrow if cohen shows up because beyond that, it's unclear what additional work the grand jury has to do. but i mean, one of my big questions is what on earth could costello have said in that grand jury room that would have been news to the prosecutors or the grand jury about michael cohen's

credibility? and he argued, coming out of that that he was pretty effective, he believed in making the case against michael cohen. my question was, why didn't he go and do that sooner? it's a great question again. this is the prosecutor show. it's a grand jury. so this was a request that the defense made and they are allowed to do that. this appears to have perhaps caught prosecutors a little off guard. now it doesn't mean that they're not going to proceed with an indictment. we don't know exactly what the speech for the rest of the investigation, but it's certainly from our reporting. we have learned for some to stop and recalculate about their next move. of course, the question is, what is the next move. what do you what do you think is coming? first of all, if i'm at the grand jury stage, and i'm the prosecutor, the whole adage of i can indict a ham sandwich. the fact that i'm having trouble at this moment in time, i have to maybe rehabilitate a witness. possibly that there is some question that's been raised such as i'm thinking to myself. gosh this person may have undermined significantly my case. this is not beyond a reasonable doubt stage. this is not even, you

know, post indictment. this is a probable cause that this person i'm saying probably committed a crime and i'm going to ask you to give me a little bit of runway to prove it if they're thinking about these things now, you guys there is some trouble afoot. i use that word legally a foot in trouble with foot, so i think it also brings home the importance of michael cohen's testimony. in this case for all the conversation about how there might be some corroborating evidence. if he comes back yet again, it tells me that everything is riding on his testimony. i also have to put this into the mix sitting here tonight, wondering whether there was ever any significance to tuesday or whether that was a smart bomb. the donald trump threw into the mix as you broke the story on saturday morning. by the way, when i was about to come on air, thank you very much upended everything. but maybe that was never done that before does it all the time but was it you know a power move on his part to put pressure on alvin bragg? to try and call attention to tuesday, try and bring costello's testimony into the

mix on monday and just try and pressure the whole situation so that it forces a decision. that's an interesting point because the washington post is reporting that he's raised over a million and a half dollars. well since that happened on saturday. we haven't actually seen with those numbers say that's what sources are telling them, but that could speak to the political aspect. i don't even know why this is a question. it's happened time and time and time again when something comes out about donald trump. that is negative, and it's coming out from a prosecutor or somebody who's a democrat. i can tell you and i know you get the emails to i am on all the list for all the republicans, many of those who follow donald trump and who support him and donald trump himself as well as the list for democrats as well and i am getting dozens of emails per day that are asking me or whoever they're targeting to give them money, and they name donald trump is going to be arrested. look at what these people are doing to your president. so this has been used over and over and over again. this is not new, and

i think he's going to get as much money as possible because right now that's all he can do. why he wants to wear handcuffs right because that would be the ultimate fundraising appeal for him, and i'm sure he's already rehearsed. that mug shot. frank sinatra mug shot appeal, right people have enormous across the country. what technology wants a whole different vibe, but maybe the hair might be a little bit similar. but remember, it had so counterintuitive normally, the power of persuasion you want to use to dissuade someone from doing something like, you know, don't do this. it sounds like he's saying, put up or shut up. either way, i'm going to put these fundraising emails out there, but it's interesting because over time, he consistently says it's essentially him between the rest of them. they're going after me because they really want you trying to get to you. but this is such a disconnect, right? what do they want from you? they want to know whether or not they were campaign donations that were made in excess of the amount they want to know if business records were falsified. well there's that that could be part of the issue and the biggest part of it, and that's his death. his game and i wonder

if it's actually impacting the d a s office. i can't imagine they would say i wonder what he will say it wasn't about just about money, either. he also called for protests. protests protests, protests take our nation back a message that really echoed what he said in the run up to january 6th here he is speculating about an arrest. his own team came out and said, we have no indication that's actually going to happen. not only fundraising but also arguably speculating about an arrest to incite political violence, and it's put republicans now kind of in a bind where they are now having to push back on this. they're calling for alan brags testimony even though we haven't seen an actual indictment of the charges yet, but paula also bring us up to speed on the evan corcoran stuff, because this is a separate investigation that we're talking about. this is when it comes to the classified documents. this is not moving slowly, like we're seeing happen here in manhattan. there were actually a lot of developments overnight in a really rare circumstance that we're about to see play out as scheduled. right now on friday with him testifying exactly. there are legal problems like you have in

manhattan. and then there are problems and this is a big problem for the former president . the fact that his attorney, evan corcoran, could potentially go before a grand jury and testify on friday that now two federal judges are one federal judge and an appellate panel have given the green light for that that is incredibly significant and this is all happening in the special counsel's investigation into the possible mishandling of classified documents. a very serious investigation and again . what does this mean? for me and the country? most people would agree. this is a serious matter. but he's also being investigated for whether he tried to obstruct that investigation. and now the special counsel has successfully obtain potentially this testimony, and they're also getting documents. this is something that's been aggressively pursuing, and it appears unless the supreme court interview intervenes that they will be successful, and it's never a good day when you're a lawyer is testifying about potentially a crime that the two of you conditions, the much stronger case. this is a much stronger case. and if i'm jack smith, and if i'm merrick

garland, i think i'm hoping alvin bragg doesn't land the first blow because then these cases get characterized more as being trivial. it was a case about sex with the porn star seven years ago. this is the real deal, a pretty straightforward set of facts mitigated, though, in the court of public opinion by the fact that joe biden and mike pence both had classified documents themselves, not an apples to apples, but enough to kind of cue it in the court of public opinion, but you know what they don't have right now. biden or pence, frankly, is the district court judge or an appellate panel saying, you know what? whatever the conduct that has been laid out by these prosecutors so far is a prima facie case that there has been some criminal conduct that has taken place for somebody like pen. somebody like biden. we've all been wondering this whole time whether they would cancel each other out. was it going to be the sort of mia culpa moment was going to be much more nefarious, and it's always been this distinguishing between what they did when they learned they had the documents versus trump. now to have a court say this and this is so significant. i can't

even remember a time when the judges said that sacrosanct attorney client privilege. i'm gonna pierce it at the bar. it's they all do it. pence did it by their singling out our guy is going to get there. they all had classified documents at their home. the volume the volume of material into the weeds, obstruction. you had it, but saying you didn't have to raise this issue. the question. is merrick garland going to do when jack smith comes to him and says , okay, here it is, and it's pretty black and white, because now there's a prosecutorial discretion question that smith doesn't have. but garland does. it's a big question. it's a big question of what that looks like. and of course, trump's team was basically cheerleading . when they bind documents were found. documents were found. this is significantly changed all of this, so we will wait to see obviously have incorporated scheduled to testify on friday fright. now we'll see if that changes paula reid, thank you for that reporting. alright,

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our top stories tonight, as cnn has learned that the manhattan grand jury that is hearing testimony about the hush money paid to the adult film actress stormy daniels will be back in session tomorrow. a final decision on whether to indict for president trump in that case could come at any moment now and also today for president trump's own defense attorney has now been ordered to testify before a different grand jury, this one in that classified documents probe so many developments tonight. so i want to bring in democratic congressman adam schiff, who was on the house judiciary committee. he joining us now. he was also the lead prosecutor in trump's first impeachment trial and is now running for a senate seat in california. good evening, congressman. thank you so much for joining us. i want to start with this remarkable ruling we have when it comes to trump's defense attorney, they are piercing this attorney client privilege. how rare is that? how high is the bar for that? and what does it say to you about where the documents investigation is headed. i think it's very rare. i was a

prosecutor in los angeles from a six years. i don't remember this happening now. it did happen actually in the january 6th committee investigation when judge carter and california also found the crime fraud exception to apply in order the production of emails from from mr eastman, you might recall so it's happened and now twice with donald trump and those in his orbit, but it is exceedingly rare. it's a very high burden to be able to prove that because that attorney client privilege is generally so worthy of protection. but here you're going to have the attorney now go into the grand jury and that you know that attorney is going to be faced with potentially, you know, telling the grand jury information that will incriminate his client or if he doesn't? uh then there's a risk if he's not truthful, that is there's a risk of incriminating himself, so i have to imagine that he's going to want to go in there and tell the truth and let the chips fall. where they may. congressman is laura coates. you

know, you know the power of the microscope and of course, that your colleagues in the house and of course, the senate not very silent when it comes to the investigation of things in the trump orbit. given the pressure to threaten to maybe have an investigation or have alvin bragg testify in the house and beyond. is that you think giving pause to the prosecutors now and why there might be a delay with that impact their decision. no it wouldn't impact their decision. and it would be a terrible thing. if it did. we don't know what's going on in the grand jury at the moment, i'm sure there's an explanation for the delay. but i'm very confident it's not because jim jordans or kevin mccarthy are are threatening to bring the district attorney into congress. that is a really abusive act by the speaker by jordan's this is you know what we saw before in the russia and ukraine investigations where basically, republicans in congress view their role as the criminal defense firm for the former president. now that they're in

the majority, though they have the subpoena power, and it at least holds the prospect of it being even more abusive. and the thing of it is that if we're going to have a rule of law if we're going to be a nation of laws and not a nation of persons, it means that law has to play equally to everyone. and you can't have congress weighing in to try to stop prosecutors from prosecuting their party's leader. that would be the end of the rule of law, and it would go a long way to the end of our democracy. congressman it's michael smerconish. you served on the january 6th committee, which of course, made criminal referrals to the justice department. regarding president trump, including insurrection. my question is this does a case based on sex diminished the importance of any charge that might later flow from your committee's work? it doesn't diminish it in an ideal world justice department, which has the greatest resources but also has the most significant potential charges. that is those

involving the effort by donald trump to stop the peaceful transfer of power that violent attack on the capital in january 6th the multiple lines of effort in other states to pressure legislatures. demanding 11,780 votes from the georgia secretary of state that don't exist. those are the far more serious charges . if the justice department we're handling all these cases in georgia in new york, they would undoubtedly bring their strongest case. the most serious case first. but that's not how our system works, and it doesn't mean and it shouldn't mean that the manhattan d a if they have probable cause to believe donald trump has committed a crime, it doesn't mean they shouldn't go forward. they should, and they must, if they're going to treat everyone the same way, congressman sara seidner here since the day that the former president trump went on social media and said, you know, i'm going to be arrested on tuesday, which obviously didn't happen. he has been the headlines across the country. everybody's talking

about him. congress members of congress are talking about him. we're talking about him are we all just sort of playing in to the hands of donald trump where he is using this? it's like, even if he loses, he wins. he's using it to fund raise a million bucks already, and so are other republicans. are you concerned about that? well i mean, this is what donald trump does, and that is he merely doubles down and triples down on any problem he runs into it shouldn't be a source of strength for anyone running for office to be under indictment, and i don't think it will be for donald trump, either. i think the american people are growing fatigued by all the drama and all the trauma that surrounds the former president. and you know, one thing that we have seen in the past is that when there is not accountability, then he goes on to commit worse and worse abuses so the prosecution is necessary if they have found probable cause and believe they can prove it beyond reasonable doubt the prosecution is necessary without

it. i think it breeds a disrespect for the law. a system in which michael cohen is told he needs to go to jail because of his participation in a scheme in which he was directed by donald trump, at least according to that earlier indictment. if he has to go to jail for that, then then why does the guy that did the directing somehow get a pass? so there's a lot at stake here beyond donald trump's future? i think the rule of law and respect for the law is also at stake. congressman i understand your point there, but the argument that has been made even by legal experts who would say that they fall on the liberal side is that if this case goes first, if this is the first thing that he is a is indicted for that it does hurt the other ones that it does allow him to kind of put the georgia investigation or the documents investigation all into one thing to say that they are politically fueled. it has worked for him as a tactic in the past, so do not share those concerns that we've heard from several people that this case

here in new york does not have the same merits as the others. well i do share the concern that the justice department should have moved on this case. if they're going to move on it a long time ago, the justice department has moved very slowly . they moved with alacrity when it came to those that attacked the capital that day and beat police officers. but it was it seemed to be from our outside vantage point at least a year before they, in an in depth way, looked into the multiple lines of effort by the former president to overturn the election. and for that reason you have other prosecutions now that are going forward first, but i certainly think that the justice department should have pursued this with farmer urgency. it appears at least vis a vis the mar a lago case there is that urgency now i've never seen a briefing schedule where you're asked to brief, you know , up until midnight. uh so there is an urgency now, but on the most serious charges, not not,

you know, uh, mara lago, either the most serious charges around january, 6th. and they're the justice department should have moved in my view a long time before now, congressman adam schiff. thank you so much for joining all of us on set here tonight. we really appreciate your time. thank you. alright. also tonight coming up the federal reserve raising interest rates yet again, not as high as initially expected. but will the efforts to fight inflation actually throw millions of americans out of work? the central bank's chairman admits it is possible will explain next . use cpap. now i have this inspires a sleep apnea treatment that works inside my body with a click of this remote. no mask, no hose, just sleep. learn more important safety information at inspire sleep .com. ever better disruption hits your supply

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decision that was made today that is likely to impact everyone in america. it's about inflation, of course, amid concerns about banks collapsing and the prices of goods still remaining as high as they are. the federal reserve just made a move that it even admits could put more than a million people out of work by the end of 2023, but it says this move is necessary to tame inflation. today's interest rate height of a quarter point is the federal reserve's ninth consecutive increase, but the end may now be in sight. cnn's julia chatterley joins us now. of course, this all is this fight of being able to fight inflation, but also with the banking issue that we've seen lately. play out. it did cause them to do a little less than we had expected. it's a very delicate balance. they're trying to find an all solutions. and options hurt. we've got inflation hurting. we've got interest rate hikes, hurting economic slowing, hurting, too, and all of these things combined , and we discussed today but

what i wasn't expecting to sort of steel. the oxygen from the moment was what became a sort of janet versus j off with regards what's going on with these uninsured depositors. so we're talking about amounts over children and $50,000 and the way that the two of them approached it. context is required. but just just listen to this first on what each had to say. these actions demonstrate that all depositors savings in the banking system are safe. understand and that considered or discussed anything having to do with blanket insurance or guarantees of points. okay so the dc message seems to be. don't be fearful, but don't expect any legal protections here and what we've got comfortable with over the last few days or so is this implicit assumption that if a bank gets into trouble if you've got these big deposits in a bank, they're going to be safe that seemed to fly in the place of that and given explicit pushback to say, look, i'm not going to give you a blanket guarantee. i think the message to people watching here

is don't panic. nothing's changed in the last two days. they'll do this on a case by case basis, and what we've seen so far is they protect those big deposits. but the banks are crucial and i think that's what g powell also said today he didn't hike rates as much as expected. he also said look, there is going to be an impact from what we've seen. banks are probably going to lend less. that's going to slow the economy and that might actually. session somehow you remind me of this. keep calm and carry on. perhaps you know the origin some tea out of my depth on this subject, but what i know is that no bank can sustain a run. people need to remain cool. i had a guest on my program on saturday. fellow who is a president of a texas based regional bank. he sent out his personal phone number two, all 70,000 of his clients. only 50 called, but the message was, we're okay. and i'm here. if you need me, not everybody can do that. i'm sure or but somehow

you've got to maintain stability and hedge against inflation. also, your money's here if you need it to. i think that's the point of about one. as long as you can provide that cash. things are okay and i think, keep calm and carry on is the message and the authorities already said this. the deposit outflows have slowed in certain cases they've stopped, so i would reiterate that message wholeheartedly. but what happens when you have five or six banks that struggle and we've seen that in the past couple of weeks is and what we've heard from dc is, you're probably going to have more regulation coming. you're probably going to have more questions being asked of who you are lending to. and while you're lending, so it may have just been about five or six banks, but all of these small and medium sized banks now are going to be looking at the lending that they're doing and going. maybe we need to be a little bit more cautious, and that has an impact on all of us on our credit loans we take when people say, like, keep calm and carry on. right okay, fine. but a lot of americans frankly are pissed because they see these banks doing these things that they could never in their life. do they're trying to pay a

mortgage that's going up there trying to pay for food that's trying to get the mortgage. get 40. that's the key. now. this is why people look at this and they get so upset because of what happened in 2008. you've got people who have seen this happen. time and time again. yes this is very different from 2000 . and i think everyone now realizes that but there is this feeling for regular people just trying to make a living that they always seem to get away with it if you have enough money, or if you're the head of the bank, but when it comes to us, little guys, we lose our houses. we can't pay our food and that's where people are getting great points. and i think there's going to be huge questions asked. and you heard that today not only of the bank executives but that the investors in these banks get wiped out the debt holders in these banks get wiped out, so there is some recompense for reckless behavior, and i think we'll continue to see that but i think your point is so valid at this moment, and that is now how do the banks act in the face of this sort of shape down and that probably means they'll lend

less. the last more questions will be way more cautious. and that is going to slow the economy down. it's going to bring inflation down, perhaps do some of the work that power, but you know, that also has costs two jobs, powell saying in and of itself, it's kind of effectively a rake hay a rate hike on its own. it's doing some of the work for him. remember you know what we're talking about. here is small businesses borrow money from small banks, small businesses. now employing 80% of american workers. you know, that's the connection between jobs and these businesses and banks. well, luckily we have you to break it all down for us, julia. thank you so much joy and chatterley. alright, it is going to be a really significant day on capitol hill tomorrow, congress is preparing to take on the ceo of tiktok over the many national security concerns that we've heard from the white house to the halls of congress. we have new reporting on how the embattled social media ceo is preparing for the high stakes hearing his first in front of congress ahead. let me to feed

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of his testimony to posted this video on tiktok. some politicians have started talking about banning tiktok. now this could take take take away from all 150 million of you. i'll be testifying before congress later this week to share all that we're doing to protect americans using the app and deliver on a mission to inspire creativity and to bring joy. that message from him. joining our roundtable tonight is oliver darcy, our cnn senior media reporter. oliver you've been reporting on how he's preparing for this because he is about to go in his first hearing before a lot of skeptical lawmakers. he's got a essentially make his case. this is really, really important time for tiktok, right. you are seeing calls around the world to ban the app. it's possible that it could happen here in the us and so this is a pivotal moment. he's got to go in front of congress, and he's got to do it really good job. and so what has happened over the past week is he's been participating in these multi hour long sessions where

tiktok personnel play lawmakers with different questioning styles and really tried to polish his presentation. so when he goes in front of congress tomorrow, he delivers a presentation that articulate gets the point across and positions the company to potentially get past this moment where they're under so much scrutiny. interestingly, he's got some you know, unexpected fans. i would say you have a lot of progressive democrats who are now saying, look, this is all about hysteria towards china and give me the actual evidence. there are plenty of other apps out there that are owned or have a connection to china. so why this one you think could be able to be prepared to actually articulate why this one is, in fact, just like the others. why it's not going to be a problem. i wonder if he can actually thread that really hard needle. i mean, they have done some things to really try to allay some of the fears that lawmakers and the public has right, so they've contracted oracle, a u.

s based company, and they basically said, we're going to store all user data on oracle servers. it's going to be run by americans that said there have been these instances in the past year that have really raised concerns among lawmakers and the public. there was an instance of the parent company where people were improperly accessing you us user data, including that of journalists, which we now know according to reports that the department of justice is probing and so you know he's going to get these hard questions. it will be interesting to see how he answers them. he does have some good answers, but whether it's going to be enough for lawmakers, i'm not. there's a national security concern. there's a privacy concern here. but to me the biggest concern is a mental health concern. i was born and raised in bucks county, pennsylvania. you talk about bucks county every four years because it's one of those those burbs that determines the outcome of the presidential race. my county. my home county is the first county in the country, and there's a story on cnn dot com right now about this to participate in litigation against big tech because they say we're bearing the burden of kids in terms of depression,

suicide out all the anxiety, etcetera, etcetera. we now have to spend our resources and we think that big tech ought to pay for it, and tiktok's are part of that litigation. yeah sorry. i just think what you say is probably for parents. and for kids, the number one most important thing out there buying you think bigger than spy. look we have seen if you go on tiktok. how many of us have tiktok here like how many? which is incredible. look at this. look at this table. tiktok voyeur, though i will do the dancing. same i want you to not have it on my phone. i don't dance. but you have done it. yes so the first time i heard about it like everyone i knew under the age of 35 was already on it and already playing, and so many people are on it from very, very young to sort of in the 35. although you're an outlier, i think you're an hour 42. yeah i thought you were 27. but cool. um but when you look at the

numbers of people on it, i think the reason why tiktok is such as people are going after it is because it's so popular. everyone's on it. but it is unfair to say that tiktok is the only one because instagram and facebook i mean they have had huge impact and huge influence on young people and on mental health as well. who knows that president biden didn't he invite a ton of tiktokers ted lasso to tiktokers who have these huge i mean, the combination of the gang was like in the hundreds of millions of people. he knew as democrats do before the midterm elections. right caitlin the power of tiktok in terms of what it can reach and the expanse of it, and so now it's gonna be a little bit interesting to think of how people who actually use tiktok to a political advantage without going to say we now don't want it. the white house actually got asked about this today because they do have national security security concerns about it. biden himself has appeared in tiktok videos. but when it comes to the case

that he's making in front of congressman i was looking at the numbers of how much money tiktok is poured into. lobbying lawmakers. it is enormous compared to what it was even just five years ago into what do you look at it into it now? it's like $13.5 million that they poured into trying to make this case. not just, you know. while they're on the stand and before the actual hearing, but also behind the scenes, they are under pressure like no other tech company, and i think they're also being sucked into this. us. china standstill as as the as as as there is more, uh, i'm forgetting the word here, but they've been become a political football if you will in this in this u s. china stands still and, um i think that's also causing some significant problems from some of the some of the issues are real, but some of this is just to show that they are tough on china lawmakers to each other. they're tough on china, and i think that's become a big problem for tiktok, which is obviously a popular stance over darcy will wait to see what this hearing looks like. thank you

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that the toy has harmed his reputation by associating jack daniels with dark waste. the toy company, however, says it's humorous use of the trademark. it's just a form of parody, thus protecting it under the first amendment. it's an argument that the just supreme court justice elena kagan, was skeptical about. what is there to it? what is the parody here? the parody parody. maybe i just have no sense of humor. but what's the parody parody is to make fun of marks that take themselves seriously. i mean, you say that , but you know, you make fun of a lot of mark's doggy walker dose. pero smell arpa. canine cola mountain drool. are all of these companies taking themselves too seriously? yes, yes. attorneys like yeah, that is what i'm saying here. i mean , it does raise the question. are they taking themselves too? seriously why is this before the supreme court case that makes me

choose between my children? because i love jack daniels and i love dogs. okay i think you've got to pick and choose your battles like why did they choose to go after this day? it gave it such hefty. i think i believe a lot of people right now are googling and saying, how do i get one of those who otherwise? wouldn't be aware of it. i first of all, i'm thinking the supreme court. i was thinking for this. we went to law school were confirmed, however, i actually started out in private practice, doing trademark litigation and doing this sort of work. and although i didn't have crappy cases it, um in that case there, but the same i know i was there, but the same notion here you do have a trademark issue, right? the only value that i have in a trademark is like it to police and control. who gets to use it. i do the energy i associate with reputation. there's a reason you know, you know apple and you think of computers and technology, or you think about other products. they want it associated with them specifically, then thinking about their whiskey being the old number two. it is just half funny to think about that

notion. but if they don't have control to say, who gets to do what in the product that's a different pandora's box. i know that this is the case, but there have been others like nike and others who weighed in to say, hold on. we're behind you here because what is to stop others from saying well, looks just like you, but they'll they'll get the joke if it's mine, and by the way, you lose your trademark rights. if you don't police it everyone goes around having the equivalent of xerox being a synonym for anything kleenex. anything else. you got a problem, so i see why they're going after it. but i mean, the question of parody and first amendment and mind you. this is the first emmett issue because although the company is not the government, the lanham act, which actually regulates trademark law is why the feds are involved to see how it's going to break like it can't tell from reading the transcripts and listening to some of the argument today, but it looks like it may be that rare case that defies you know the liberals on one side and the conservatives on the other. i don't know what the alliances that you can't see the alliance

at all. but you know, one thing you could see, and one thing that this dog company did for all of us. we got to hear the supreme court laugh. yes humans remember, laughing joked. and i actually for me, that was the moment i took away. i'm like, well, i now want one of those just because you know the supreme court members of the spring court were cracking up over all of these things. and i just i looked at those two bottles. do we have the picture? i look at those two things next to each other, and i was like you kind of have to be drunk to get these completely mixed up. but like, you know, you look at it, and it does look a heck of a lot like, uh, jack daniels bottle. so you know that that was the point that the job was asking, he said, could any reasonable person think that jack daniels approved the use of this mark? i don't know. could they have been drinking? gonna be connected to confront the key? i mean, this is not like no one confused. weird i yankovich is eat it for michael jackson's beat it if you did. the supreme court in modern times has been a little bit, um warm towards

parity. think about two live crew and the pretty woman etcetera different reasons for the why they did so. but this case, although it's you know it's laughable. and by the way, i had to go buy one for my dog now because i now want to have it as a because i'm a scholar. have that actual thing right to have it. but the court is going to have to grapple with the idea of if is this going to open the floodgates this case, maybe a little less serious. but what about the next one? that is a little bit of attention between is it real parity or you just knocking the label? jack daniels who just buy it, and then boom, they've got a couple of products is now we all want one. and now you're a businesswoman. yeah what we do know is it won't be a walk in the park there coming up at 10 pm for years, it has been a gold standard of college rankings for countless families. but tonight why more and more universities say it's not worth considering anymore? that's coming up on cnn tonight. stay with us. so we've got one more story here that our team has its eyes on. it is not about jack daniels. don't worry, but we'll

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