you for joining us. you don't want to miss tomorrow night at nine pm on my colleague jake tapper explores the phenomenon that is ted lasso his interview with jason today, kiss is tomorrow night at nine p.m. eastern time and you can join me and catch up on the latest politics on inside politics sunday. it airs at a new time starting this sunday. 11 a.m. eastern time. i hope to see you there. but for now, cnn tonight with alison camerata. it starts right now. good evening, everyone. i'm alison camerata. welcome to cnn tonight, one of former president trump's lawyers has to answer questions and turn over his notes to a grand jury tomorrow relating to those classified documents found at mara lago. meanwhile we're waiting for any

next steps in the investigation into those hush money payments to stormy daniels. the house judiciary committee wants to investigate the d a. in that case, alvin bragg, bragg says that would violate new york law also, why was this grieving father pinned to the ground by capitol police today? you're about to see parkland parent, manuel oliver, whose son joaquin, was shot to death in his high school. don't even touch you to make a second. i'm going to. manuel and patricia oliver are here tonight to explain what happened and we have more gwyneth paltrow news. she's expected to take the stand tomorrow in the trial about her skiing accident. we'll tell you about the piece of missing evidence revealed in court today . okay, but let's start with today's developments into the various trump investigations. let's bring in national security expert juliette kayyem. rolling stone writer slash rabbi jay michaelson. dispatch editor in

chief and dog lover jonah goldberg and legal analyst joey jackson. also joining us remotely is john sale, who turned down an offer to join donald trump's legal team, john . thank you very much for being with us remotely tonight. really looking forward to having you here. do you regret your decision not to take on trump as a legal client tonight? no i have absolutely no regrets, but i'm happy to be with you tonight, alice. happy to have you so you say that you sense legally the walls closing in around donald trump. how so? well. there are four different investigations and briefly as to each one of them. i think the most serious one right now is the most serious threat is the moral lago. the document? uh, classified document case and with evan corcoran what he has the ability either to severely incriminate the former president . or he could also exonerate him

because what we don't know is we don't know what he's going to say. but if he does say that he unknowingly acted at the former president's behest and misled the grand jury and did not tell the truth. that could be 1000 and one violation obstruction violation, so, but we're not going to know because it's all under seal in a sealed proceeding. so stay tuned in terms of that one. but let me say well, i have an opportunity. i saw the barricades in front of the manhattan district attorney's office. yeah i worked in the u. s attorney's office right near there, and that was really disturbing. obviously it's necessary but anybody through social media posts or otherwise, who is expressing the possibility of violence. we all have to sing out and say that is totally unacceptable. i think our constitution is going to work. it's worked since 17 88, and i think it's gonna work now. but regarding the new york county district attorney

investigation well, hold on before we get there. let me just ask. i just wanna ask you, john about that. what you were just saying about the barricades around the d a s office. do you think that former president trump has implied that violence would be acceptable when he says, take back our country. well, i can't get into his head , but i'm concerned that people could interpret something that way and that's something which i mean, we heard there was a bomb threat today yesterday and the security is necessary, but we just have to all stand up for whether we agree or disagree with what's going on. we cannot have violence. we can't have mob rule. okay, john, let me pause there and just touch on with my panel. a few of the things that you brought up so the evan corcoran testimony joy tomorrow in front of the grand jury. john's right. we don't know what he's going to say. but we do know what he's going to be asked so are reporting has that they want to focus in on three things. the may 2022 subpoena and the subsequent search for classified documents at mara lago the next month, june 2022

document that evan corcoran crafted, claiming that a diligent search had been conducted. and then that same month, a call between donald trump and evan corcoran that took place the same day that the trump organization was subpoenaed from our lago surveillance footage. so those are the three things they want to dive into. tell us the significance. well, one significance beyond the obvious , which is that you cannot have classified documents. whether you're the president or not right. you can't magically or in your mind, declassify them is the issue of obstruction of justice. and so if you make a representation that everything has been transmitted and turned over and you say there's nothing else to see here and then we'll wait a second. there's plenty else to see. and there's plenty else that they find the problem if you didn't know look, it's very important allison and that's a great question. because in law, there's a there's sort of this mindset issue. it's called men's ria not to get too technical, but in order to commit a crime, you have to have the mental state and so you have to act knowingly or intentionally to do something.

it's another way to act negligently or recklessly, etcetera. and so i think that's significant. but when you say what if you did don't know if who didn't know if the attorney didn't know. or if donald trump didn't know. you know, we're only as good as lawyers. as what our turney's excuse me. what our clients. it buys us as lawyers as to what the facts are, and sometimes a lawyer can be misled . and so i think it's going to be critical as to the president's state of mind, and whether he intentionally made misrepresentations to his lawyer , and that's going to be critical. and that will be met. met it out with the other evidence. juliet what about what john was bringing up in terms of the security concerns? surrounding all of these possible legal developments, so there's 22 ways that i've been looking at it so first. clearly the threat environment is increased. we know what trump means. what he says things like, take america back or fight from your protest. it's interpreted by some small percentage, so not all of his supporters are violence, while some small percentage of his of his supporters as a justification for violence, you're always

going to be worried about that group. they're online. they're doing things to make the threat environment increase, and that's why you're seeing whatever happens. trump is unbelievably good. it just driving activity like there could be. you know, we've been waiting a week and everyone is now focused on the security of these facilities there and the people who are bringing the case against him. but what's been amazing to me is someone who's sort of followed violent extremism before january , 6th and then after in terms of how trump was able to incite without actually directing, it is the his ability to deliver now has changed significantly and whether it's because of his own isolation from the major social media platforms. the arrest of a couple 100 people, the disruption of terror groups like the oath keepers, an attempt by the january 6th committee to give some off ramps to the report to republicans who don't want to be part of this anymore. so you're even now seeing whatever the republicans are saying in terms of this is a

witch hunt against trump. they're also all saying, do not protest. they know, but i don't know. i know they're doing the polling and the pulling, says the american public does does not want to go back to that. and is actually, um, not wants to move on for the best wants to move on from january 6th. there's something here also, you know, curious kind of trying to get into trump's mind is always a bad idea. there's this incredible gross negligence right where sometimes there's a term called stochastic terrorism where you don't say take up a gun and do all these things. but you know that some of your followers will inter correct your ambiguous words in just such a way. and we've seen this again and again and again, and it is it does feel. sometimes the walls are closing in at the same time. there's also this profound disrespect for the rule of law. jonah one of the things that's happening with alvin bragg, so the manhattan d. a that he's gotten a letter from the house judiciary. um so chairman jim jordans basically wants to do an inquiry into

whether um, the prosecutor alvin bragg is doing a political. this is a political investigation, and alvin bragg sent a letter back. his office sent a letter back today. basically saying, that's against state law. you have no jurisdiction over what we're doing. tell us how you're seeing everything. it's also against the constitution. but at the same time look i? well, i just want to be really clear. i think brags if the publicly reported theory that he is working on where he's bootstrapping, basically, uh, out of date laws that have passed the statute of limitations and tying it in a new way to a federal case, but it's never been done before. it is outrageous what he's doing, and it's very political. and anyone who says that he's not being political has a very steep hill to climb with me. that said that doesn't give permission for the house republicans to essentially threaten a an officer of the court and the district attorney and in an area they do not have jurisdiction. for something that we don't know what the theory is yet. i mean, he literally hasn't charged anybody yet and to say if you do

this, we're gonna be penalizing all that. it is also it is grotesquely against the nature of the rule of law. it is either getting out of their lane when rand, paul says, you know, he should be in jail and then asked, well on for what crime and he just says, i refer you to the talmud of my tweet. it's really kind of pathetic and theatrical, music sky personal offense to that out of your food bowl. i apologize, but it's an example of how this tick for tat logic that is overtaken washington and our politics. brings out the worst and all of the actors, john final thoughts. well, i do not think alvin briggs being political at all. but i agree. i think the case would be very ill advised. i think both. i think robert costello's testimony probably gave them pause and they're trying to regroup and there are much better cases to bring them this contrived case, but i think they're in good faith. they're

not political. but you know if you do a thorough investigation, and you do not prosecute, you have not failed. you've done justice quickly thing is that there's always going to be contrary evidence. i have not tried a case in 20 years. with is not evidence that's in controversy. the issue about someone coming and saying that i have other information. michael cohen told me differently. that shouldn't give anyone pause. that's what trials are about. they're about making factual distinctions. moreover in climbing your steep hill, jonah , the reality is that i've had clients prosecuted for far less at what point is there, accountability for everyone and everyone trust the system that works for everyone. the fact is, is that it has to be such a difficult case to be an a felony. it should be a b. it should be a c it should be a day at what point point should the president appointed it's an out of date should be expired by the statute of limitations, and you shouldn't have a d, a who campaigned on process and bragging about prosecuting trump. carrying the first indictment of a former president. look, the reality is that if the president if the

president is violated any laws, we have a process i'm going alumni of that office that processes to bring it before grand jury. that grand jury makes an assessment as to a is a reasonable cause to believe a crime was committed and be that the subject mr trump committed and if they don't believe that, don't indict, but if you do believe it, have it, go to trial and have reasonable minded people of 12 week. a consensus or not that this criminality the president does. serves like everyone else in every client. i sit next to in court. to have his day in court, and to really be evenly applied the law very reasonable. i also think that that that alvin bragg has prosecutor prosecutorial discretion, and this was not the case to bring if you want to have the first prosecution of former prison and look, i take a backseat to nobody in my criticism of donald trump, and i think he's guilty of all of this. so like i'm not trying to defend donald trump. but like the law, the rule of law should actually matter, particularly for people who are in charge of fairness. alvin bragg has not brought that case yet. so we wait to see what happens? john's

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breaching protocol and disorder . the committee room, my son away from me anywhere. i'm gonna listen to your absurd. yes. how do you remove resident general too? folks who contend that the committee welcomes the public to this meeting. we have people on both sides of the aisle. we have people on both sides of the aisle. you will see. scotty burger holding commitment, having the right to say whatever father that lots of stuff. he's not violent. violent violent. those are the parents of parkland shooting victim, joaquin oliver at a congressional hearing on gun rights today, capitol police as

you can see, pinned joaquin's father, manuel oliver to the ground and arrested him outside of the hearing room while his wife and a crowd looked on. manuel and patricia oliver joined me now they're also the co founders of the gun safety nonprofit changed the ref. guys thank you so much for being here. manuel, what was happening there? what were we seeing? uh well, you see me getting arrested and, um, but wars and that is that we were seeing how how these side of the hearing was just telling us lie after lie after lie. um i think that the story is not about me getting arrested. um it's more about patricia, representing all mothers. that have solved for them. losing their son or daughter's. she was right there , um, putting her voice very loud, so these liars will know where we are and what we stand

for, but we lost our son and that should be addressed in some way. patricia. what was it that you were hoping to accomplish? what were the lies? were you trying to combat some information? what were you trying to do in that hearing room? really? what i was trying to do in the hearing room is to listen to them. so we were just they were just discussing about removed the a t f office. because they don't consider that this is a new office that he has to be working and doing something that is really needed today, which is gun violence that is happening every single moment of the day every day, and when i was listening to them over and over, going through issues that they were related to the main reason we were on the hearing. ah, just. lost it, and i got to say to the speaker to the leader speaker there. that i lost my son because of them because they way to see them.

the view that they have about gun violence is totally different is away from reality. um manuel, they say that you were being you were both being disruptive. um and. you know that that that can't stand in the hearing room? was there a better way to have a discussion with lawmakers? well, you know what? i'm ready to have a discussion at any time. i wasn't there planning to do this, like someone called me narcissist today. i'm not enjoying this. i mean, some of these guys were moving from one room to the other one. they were debating that dangers. actions at the adf has an ongoing ownership and second amendment there. also debating about banning tiktok. because it damages our kids springs don't have to remind people that they autopsy of my son revealed that his brain exploded. they found pieces of joaquin's brain around what kean's body. so no one is

banning assault weapons. as of today, the reason why we were there was to represent all parents. we were not planning to do this, but i will not tolerate any more lies from these people . and i really hope that people will realize that they have to get involved like we got involved. at one point, the chairman, one of the chairman of this pat fallon, uh, likened the outburst to january 6th. so let me just play you that exchange. is this an insurrection? so will they be held to the same? uh i don't want another january. 6th do we trying to overthrow the government? they ought to be held to the same standard, but i think they're trying to express their woes. oh, members out of line. there's the capitol police not do their jobs. where the hell is going on. what are your thoughts on that? well, these guys making a joke about this really? chairman in this session

, is joking about what's happening, comparing what i did with the interaction. honestly you're doing that showing the whole country what your opinion is? how your how your thoughts your process of thinking works. shame on you. shame on you. that's what i think. patricia. it's very cynical. i was outside. meanwhile, they were arresting manuel. and i was just saying to the security guys that they were very rude at that point. that we were just using our first amendment and that's what i did. when i was inside the room. i was the one who stand up and say what i said to this speaker. i don't want to even say his name either. same he's not worth to be named, and i think that they just act the way they acting because they want to grab attention. and that's so bad. so we're playing

here to get attention in any at any price. so why you don't do your job and say what you have to do, you have to say and move forward with the laws that we need to get done. instead of in complaining about and joking about what happened on january 6th. there was very sick and everybody's still working on that and punish people because of that, yeah. well, we know that you two are still fighting for this cause and that you're still trying to act as your son joaquin's voice and we really appreciate you being here and sharing what happened today with us. thank you. thank you take care youtube. i'll be right back with my panel. so what are we eating today? join me. eva longoria on a brand new culinary adventure, and first up my new home mexico city restaurant with

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setting case. the pair is facing four counts of involuntary manslaughter. their son pleaded guilty in october and could be facing life in prison without the chance of parole. i'm back with my panel. juliet your thoughts like this case, you know, obviously, it's troublesome. in the sense are you opening up a pandora's box? any of us who are parents? you know your kids at some stage to take responsibility for their actions, so i just want to put this in perspective. this is a unique case, because these are uniquely horrible parents and, uh and if you just look at it that way, then then it starts to make sense. they they give him first of all they give him the gun. i mean, you know, let's just start there. they know his mental state. he's essentially i'm not defending him begging for help. he is telling teachers . teachers are then telling the parents about what's going on. when he's caught it one stage the mother sort of gives a wink nod kind of emoji and says i'm not mad at you just don't get caught next time. so these are parents who are somewhat colluding. there's a line in the

in the court here. the court decision, saying that they can go forward and i think it's helpful putting this in perspective, they said. the parents also guided him with the weapon he used to kill the victims. and that their actions inactions were in accepting my god. i told you i was gonna screw it up. thank you. he's translating love agents just learned english and with their son's actions. in other words, it was what they did that that helped him do it. it wasn't just bad parenting with it really reasonable concern that, like every parent could possibly be responsible for something horrible. their son did, and i think it's really important to bring out that nuance. that this was something and again they're being they're being charged with manslaughter. and this is basically a negligent standard wasn't negligent to just ignore all of these warnings. i think we have the work that the so called math worksheet where their son took a math worksheet and drew these horrible gun, and he says things like my life is useless. he says. the world is

dead. he shows a gun, he shows a body bleeding. and that, uh, was, i assume at some point, i think that might have been the morning of the that's when the teachers called the parents. they then come into the class. they come to the school. they insist that he stay in the classroom and in the school, they also either know or should have had reason to believe that the gun is missing. it's there. so that's exactly right. it is this conduct which let's remember resulted in four dead children, so it wasn't just they were bad parents. is it's a new kind of case. i would not bring it often, but every once in a while the facts fit the uniqueness of the case. on the flip side, one of the things that they that were presented. one of the bits of evidence that was presented was his journal. and so today. they said that the part of the reason the parents should have known what was going on was because here's the evidence. um every one of the 21 pages in his journal of written

material had reference to plans to commit a school shooting. in one entry. for example, ethan wrote, i will cause the biggest school shooting in michigan's history and i will kill everyone i effing c even probably also described a specific plan explaining the first victim has to be a pretty girl with the future so she can suffer like me . but are we expected to know what's in all of our children's journals? i don't think i've never looked at my daughter's journal. you're not supposed to look at your kids journals. but if you've got a kid who's got serious mental health issues and proclivity to violence, some of those privacy rules start go by the wayside. the way i look at this, my instinctive thing is the it's really hard cases make bad law like, but i agree with you. these are uniquely crap tacular parents that said, um, the way i think about it, okay? what if it's not the parents? what if it is that the dean of students or the dorm master at a boarding school and it was this foreseeable you knew this was

happening and you gave the kid a gun. yeah obviously, that person would be charged with something ensued and we can get in an argument about whether they're overcharged or undercharged. i don't know from the law. but um , so the idea that just because they're the parents, and they actually knew more and we're more responsible, they should get a pass. that doesn't work for me, so i'm it's icky, but i'm in favor. good for the prosecutor in michigan for moving forward. why i think that certainly parents shouldn't be held accountable for what their children do unless there are always exceptions unless you're on notice. put the journal to the side for one moment, and you don't look through your daughter's journal and you give your children the privacy they deserve. but you do know that your son has mental maladies. and you're aware of that? you're on notice of that. you purchase a weapon and you don't secure that weapon in a way that it is separate and apart, and there is no way that your child is getting a hold of that. then your child gets ahold of it with you. knowing what the

capabilities the mental proclivities of your child are going back to what juliette said right now that day in school, you're told to take your child out when he's doing things like we just saw, and you say nothing to see here. i'm not taking him anywhere. the fact is, is that when you look at someone dying, it's not only the misconception that some have that you have to have intent. it is this other thing, and it's just this agree gis reckless, careless, irresponsible behavior, so if you're going to be this irresponsible than you need to deal with the consequences last point, and that is this every case turns on its facts and if there are facts that are comparable in the next case charge in the next case charge in the next case charge. it's not a matter of using it sparingly. it's a matter of using prosecution appropriately when the facts call for it in this case they do. and by the way, i mean, all of this will come out in trial. that's allegedly they knew about all these warning signs, and there appears to be evidence that they

did, but that's what is going to happen and drop makes sure not to leave one item on the table, which is which is about the storage and the lack of that insecure this gun. so michigan legislature passed safe storage act pretty reasonable. you have to store your gun properly. and you, you can't you have you know i can't let you could get to it. the michigan gop responded with holocaust analogies. michigan gop twitter account ever and from a tweeted out an incredibly anti semitic analogy that said before they collected all these wedding rings, they collected all the guns and in or, in other words, analogizing any gun control to germany, and they double down when called on this and then went further saying that this this policy was like slavery and like the japanese internment and native american massacres. and i think it's important that we're not. we don't only focus on these two parents, but this is an outrageously irresponsible response and an anti semitic response, which we also see by the way in a previous segment around the trump cases. where soros soros soros, this kind of anti semitic done, you know, dog whistle is tweeted out again and again and again, and it's really

disappointing that even a safe storage bill, which is pretty reasonable and has widespread public support, garners this extremist rhetoric from the official twitter account of the michigan gop. thank you for making that point. amen. to that appreciate that. alright everyone stick around a texas university cancels a drag show for an unusual reason that's next. what youou got. whwhat? yu guys show me what you've got? yeah stuck. watch this powerful is invite only fortunately, you're invited. experience the capability of the complete line of suvs. the invitation to lexus sales event. julian is about to learn that free food is a personal eating trigger. no, it

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yeah. that was rupaul's drag shell. just for a little mid show entertainment for everyone. trying to get my friends to watch the show. and now finally, the yeah, it takes a fall in there. there you go. i'm certainly doing here. yes finally spiced it up. well the president of west texas and m university, canceling a student drag show that was set for next friday. it was a fundraiser for the trevor project, which is a suicide prevention organization for lgbtq young people and in an email to the university community, the president walter wendell. right drag shows stereotype women in cartoon like extremes for the amusement of others and discriminate against womanhood. drag shows are derisive, divisive and demoralizing misogyny, no matter the stated intent. end quote he goes on to compare drag to

blackface, saying, quote as a university president, i would not support blackface performances on our campuses, even if told the performance is a form of free speech or intended as humor. it is wrong. i'm back with my panel. this is interesting to me. this is an interesting analogy that i had never thought of. so, um juliet . your thoughts woman? yes offended by dragon. oh, i wait a minute. you're not offended by jake. let me just say no, no, no. is it it isn't it? doesn't it? stereotype women in a cartoon like extreme. yeah i mean, you're gonna cancel performative, a well known performative concert because you've read something that says some women it denigrates woman, as if drag was not also an expression by the lgbtq community of being able to express the gender, the lack of gender binary nous right that

things are fluid. so you're not going to really win this one? i mean, in other words, if you're the president of the university, and it just felt like he read some article you were saying the read some article and was like, oh, i'm going to be clever, right that i'm gonna be and so, but i want to talk about the black facing it is not like black face, right? it is an absolutely not like the reason why i mean the history of blackface is that african american actors would not get hired. often it was either making fun of the color or they wouldn't get higher. so if you wanted to have someone in african american role or character, you would put the actor in blackface, so it's. it's apples and oranges. ah and it's it makes a very complicated issue about gender. and yeah, seems so simplistic, and that's what sort of frustrating about it bicycles like. it's that's not even exactly, uh, i mean, he wanted to like, double up on his

homophobia, racism as well. that wasn't enough. i feel like people like this need to just meet the people who are stigmatizing all the time. we've seen all this like wave of anti trans legislation. if these people ever met someone, trans trans friends like if you spend a few minutes with the transfer seuin or in this case with the drag queen or with whatever group you want to stereotype and stigmatized and say, stupid stuff about you know, on the internet, you wouldn't have these stupid ideas. i don't want to be the skunk at the garden party. first of all i have i have no problem with a private university republic university, saying that certain things are inappropriate. they can be wrong , and that's fine. you can have arguments about it. i certainly agree that drag shows have a long history into all of a sudden be, as freaked out by them is a little weird. that said. um i have transference like one of the biggest intellectual influences on it on my life is deirdre mccloskey was a brilliant economist, um and she is trans. i do think there is something fundamentally weird that says, you have to show your

solidarity and your appreciation for serious for serious people who happen to be trans by being really into an indulging in what are essentially transgender strip shows and like if you had ever said something about you, you don't understand gay people unless you go to a gay strip show. people look at you like you're crazy, and it is somebody saying that or people just saying they enjoy you follow on twitter if you if you could guarantee you by the end of tonight for me saying even this much i will be attacked by people. you don't understand what what drag shows really her about, and they're wonderful. and why can't kids go to them and all that kind of stuff? i think it is. it is a more complicated thing than simply rank bigotry to say you have. a problem with with drag shows in certain contexts than i lot of people who are on the other side of it wanted to be driving hold on to win in terms of person on the panel has been to the most directions. i don't know about that lots of alaska named herself i feel like you know, i've probably been to i don't know several 100, maybe 1000 you win. not seen people don't take

their clothes off. the whole point is to where the look and look really good. yeah, there's a couple where i guess you know you might take off a layer and end up in like it's of a bikini or something. these are strip shows. that's not what this is about, and that's also not the complaint this in a far more simplistic way. i look at universities, colleges, community colleges. i was at a college today. speaking to young people, go guttman community college. keep going kids. reality is that these are laboratories of learning. and i think if the young adults want to be expressive, and they want to engage in certain behavior, how dare the president or anybody else suggests what's appropriate and what's not appropriate for young adults? how about our young adults be allowed to express themselves and not have you? press for them and be opinionated in that regard. i think that's furthermore well, listen, that's okay. you can think it's like cancer defending institutions that are supposed to mold character and actually train people towards something but now the second part of the educational process to protest

and to express yourself and not actually to absorb information or value one else to suggest and judge what's appropriate. and what's inappropriate. who is anyone? the university president of the university has students there. so one thing because you're the president you say is wrong. the next thing you say is right. don't what? isn't this a democracy? know when does it not democracies? students don't get to vote on the curriculum. do they get they get to vote on they get to vote on their development. they get to vote on who they're going to give money to. they get to vote on the fact that the proceeds from this we're going to mental health issues relating to those who are lgbt and had these mental health maladies. and i think students should be students be expressive and college university shouldn't tell them what to do. about the blackface analogy. i think it's preposterous. i think it's absolutely ridiculous to make that comparison. and enough said in that regard and because the president believes it's comparable to blackface, it

makes him right and students get out of here. i just don't think that you should have as a laboratory of learning were children. young adults are developing and growing. i don't think there should be censorship , and i don't think this should be distinctions between what's appropriate. what's inappropriate. what you can do what you won't do what you should do, which it's ridiculous are allowed to decide what's appropriate for their class and they're still a buy. right? i think i think presidents are allowed to decide what is appropriate and they can be fired. if they make stupid decisions. that's fine. but this idea that it's a what 1000 flowers boom and whatever floats your boat and students just get to say i'm going to say express myself, however, i want is how you get things like you just had at stanford law school where you have wildly inappropriate reactions. that are training kids to think that somehow constraints on their id or somehow, inherently illegitimate . i think it's a terrible way to educate. you never want to quickly very quickly, but i think jonah is right in the sense that i may teach at a university that that there is standard setting. here's what the problem with this cases. it

was a stupid standard like i mean, it was just absolutely preposterous notion to think that you're going to ban drag and he should be fired or change his mind or whatever, but the idea that that president or a university professor doesn't have some standard setting for a university is just it's. it's actually kind of dangerous determine what the standard is. trustees appoints the president, but the president is not a dictator there, the president of the university and they're very astute. you want to be expressive eyes hold on to defend cancel culture that we can just we'll take it up in the commercial bridge. i love like obviously lost control. i told them to talk and mix it up, but they're really doing it. alright guys, hold on. i just want to correct something that was in one of our banners. just now the university we've been discussing is west texas and m university, not texas, and we'll be right

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fake photos of donald trump being arrested have been flooding the internet this week . we, of course, normally focused on information, not misinformation, but we're going to show you these photos to highlight the danger of fake ai generated pictures. this has been misinformation on steroids. basically here is an example. this is an ai generated photo of donald trump. we have put the word fake over it, so it's clear that it's not real, and it can't be reproduced. but perhaps you can see just behind the k. there it is. donald trump running away from police. this was created by a man named eliot higgins. he's the founder of the investigative group belling cat after donald trump said, falsely that he'd be arrested on tuesday. um we'll show you more of these in a second, but let's bring in our panel we have juliette kayyem, cnn national security analyst in litchfield of wired jessica washington from the root and political commentator evan siegfried. guys great to have you i think