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tonight. my exclusive conversation with the attorney for stormy daniels, his thoughts on where the case is heading and whether his client wants to see the former president indicted. mr trump has been seeking donations. as you know, from his supporters fundraising off his claims he was going to be arrested this past tuesday and in a new series of statements on the social network is calling the manhattan district attorney alvin bragg, quote, danger to our country and to quote animal . he is also linked to an article with a photo of bragg next to a photo of himself with a baseball bat looking like he's ready to take a swing. brags office, meantime, sent a letter to house republicans who are seeking to investigate the investigators. the letter says. house republicans only got involved quote after donald trump created a false expectation that he would be arrested the next day, and his lawyers reportedly urged you to intervene. neither fact the letter continues is a legitimate basis for congressional inquiry. here's how speaker mccarthy's reply. he doesn't. i don't understand why you only does
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political ones development as well on the federal side. lawyers for the former vice president were in court today behind closed doors, trying to block a grand jury subpoena for his testimony in the january 6th case, and in the classified documents case. tomorrow is the day the former prisons attorney , evan corcoran, is expected to give additional testimony and turned over documents after the d. c district appeals court. upheld. the judge is incredibly rare decision to set aside attorney client privilege under the crime fraud exception. now we have reporting tonight on all of the above cnn's kara scannell on them and hadn't case and kaylen poland's on the federal action caress canal starts us off. so any idea why things have slowed down with the grand jury in new york. this grand jury has been hearing evidence in this case since january. we've seen a number of the witnesses close to this david pecker at the national enquirer. um michael cohen, who is trump's fixed or the man in the middle of these payments, and some people from the trump organization. you know we were getting toward the end of this investigation. the da's office invited trump to go in
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before the grand jury. he declined, but he asked them to put a witness in and we saw that witness go in on monday. it was one of cohen's former advisers, bob costello. now the prosecutors had michael cohen on hand as a rebuttal witness. they didn't call him that there was physically there. but costello's testimony went to 4:50 p.m. in the grand jury ends at six. so they're sitting here regrouping, looking at how they're next going to make this move. the grand jury sat today, but it was always intending to hear another case. that's just how the grand jury's work. they here a couple of cases at a time, so we now know they're going to be back on monday, sources tell us are likely to call another witness. at least one more witness and other sources say they're weighing whether or not they want to bring cohen back or it could be someone else. so all of this takes place behind closed doors where they're watching every day, but it's really just the decision making inside the d. a's office of how they want to continue moving forward in this is it. is there any possibility that the d a. the bragg is rethinking the merits of his case. prosecutors are always evaluating the evidence and given the magnitude of this
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decision the first time to bring a criminal indictment against a former president is something that's never been done before. and i think with this case, there also has been a lot of public criticism of the strength of the evidence, particularly because it's a law that hasn't been used before. that does not mean they're not going to bring this case, but i think like any prosecutor would they're looking at this and evaluating constantly the strength of their case from where they feel that they are, but on the strength of the case, i mean getting indictment from a grand jury. that's a much lower level bar than it is from actually getting it from a jury at the trial. prosecutors don't want to lose and it's the saying is like you don't shoot at the king and miss right. so there already is a lot of criticism of is this the case given how many criminal investigations trump is under, is this the one that you want to go with first? and you know, each prosecutor looks at their case to their own lands. at their facts. this this fact pattern has been around for seven years now. federal prosecutors have looked at it
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and passed the previous da had looked at it and was only going to include it in a large indictment and involving, you know questions about the financial statements and the accuracy of them at the trump organization. so it's very interesting that brag now taking a look at all of the evidence that they have is focusing in on this. you know, but it's still a big decision and something that he's going to want to get right. scannell appreciate it. thank you so much now, my exclusive conversation with clark brewster , attorney for stormy daniels. i talked to him just before airtime. mr brewster appreciate you joining us? can you just explain the level of cooperation that stormy daniels has had with manhattan investigators and what they've asked her so far. well sure, stormy is always made it known that she would share any information she had and any chronological information or any documents and we until i was meeting with them have some length. actually i think there were four or five prosecutors
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present. we did it over zoom, but she's been very open and cooperative with them. i interviewed ms daniels for 60 minutes back in 2018. i asked her about the payment that was made to her, and i just want to play that for our viewers. was it hush money to stay silent? yes, um the story was coming out again. i was concerned for my family and their safety. i think some people watching this are going to doubt that you entered into this negotiation. uh because you feared for your safety. they're going to think that you saw an opportunity. i think the fact that i didn't even negotiate. i just quickly said yes to this. hmm very, you know, strict contract and what most people will agree with me. extremely low number is all the proof i need. as you know, the former president denies any wrongdoing. he says it was an extortion plot. some of his political allies have downplayed it as a mere personal transaction. is there any doubt
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in your view that the payment was designed to help protect his campaign? well it means i think that reasonable people knowing the facts, and the timing would reach that conclusion. i see no reason to believe otherwise. what does miss daniels want to see happen here, which should be pleased if the former president was indeed indicted. well, i don't know about pleased. i will tell you that in my interactions whether i represented her now since march of 2019, she's always been very straightforward truth telling. and i think more than anything she desires that, uh, that took truth be told and found by re and the denials and the in the accusations of dishonesty cease, so i think she's more interested in the resolution of this being determined upon the truth rather
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than anything else, as you know, the timing of this investigation has been called into question, given that it centers around a payment from back in 2016. did miss daniels think this was all behind her? i mean, not just the legal saga, but but having to you know, deal with the former president insults and things like that. well, she's been through quite a lot of as your your station as reported. i mean, she's been through the abenaki chronicles the issues associated with a defamation lawsuit in california as well as the nondisclosure litigation out there. um but more than anything else, i mean, she doesn't have any control over. how this is prosecuted or brought to a jury in any way. she simply is there and willing to support and tell the truth, whichever way decides to go if the former president is in fact indicted and she was called to be a witness, would
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she be prepared to testify? yes and she's made that very clear. she would be willing to testify and she would support her testimony with a documented documents and evidence and corroboration with witnesses. sorry i also know you provided the prosecution with communications between the former president's attorney in this matter, joe tacopina and stormy daniels from back in 2018. can you explain and kind of layman's terms what those communications were about how they may possibly impact any court proceedings. yes. so, mr tacopina. um, that you never met miss daniels and didn't have any , uh, attorney client? uh relationship. in fact, in february of 2018, there was a fair amount of exchange between miss daniels and mr tacopina is firm. uh she had a number of not only conversations but extensive emails outlining details of this
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transaction involving the former president as well as witnesses. in a chronology and what took place that series of written exchanges led to a direct, conversational, lengthy conference with mr to campinas firm so i would say that he's at least conflicted to a point where he couldn't represent opposition on that issue against her. and the was there a retainer that tacopina asked for from miss daniels. yes at the conclusion of the exchange of information. a few days and the conversations in the emails, mr tacopina, according to stormy, uh, trademark stuff quoted a retainer figure that she would have to come up with and cash she told him she would consider and see whether she could raise those funds. ultimately she then interviewed michaela banotti and chose to go that route. and so
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mr tacopina wasn't formally retained, but all the information which led to his decision the quota retainer figure. had occurred. clark clark brewster. i appreciate your time. thank you. my pleasure of the new york grand jury case, maybe moving slowly. not so. the classified documents case, donald trump's attorney goes back in front of a grand jury tomorrow. this time attorney client privilege does not apply. that story is coming up, as is the latest from ukraine will take you to a ukrainian orphanage that's now a crime scene. russian occupiers took children from there and you'll meet the ukrainians have risked their lives to try to get them back. make your dream car. a reality.
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before the things that his client, donald trump wanted him not to share with the grand jury and things that he himself was did not feel he was able to share because they were part of his work as an attorney. now even corcoran he's not just any attorney working for donald trump. he was essentially the primary defense attorney. responding to all of the parts of the mara lago investigation, as the criminal prosecutors have been trying to figure out why they couldn't get back or if they had even gotten back over the classified documents that were at mara lago. so if you look at that timeline, the timeline of all of the things he was part of that is what we know now through reporting from my colleague, sara murray tonight what he's going to be asked about tomorrow, so he's going to be asked about the may subpoena that they got from the justice department last year, saying return all the classified documents you have. their response to that the searches they did the draft letter they wrote back to the justice department, saying here it is. here's what we found. we did searches. you've got all and everything. at that time. they didn't get everything back. but that's what he was. he and other
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lawyers were saying and then also, there was a june phone call between evan corcoran and donald trump that the prosecutors could learn about and it was on the same day that the trump organization was subpoenaed for surveillance videos that then showed people moving boxes. so those are the things he's going to be asked. about and that's a lot that he didn't say before that he will have to say now, and he also has to turn over documents. i mean, contemporaneous notes or any recordings, right? that's right. and it's very likely that if the prosecutors don't have those already, it's very likely that he will be carrying them into the grand jury tomorrow. that was specified in the court order that we saw yesterday afternoon that he did have to turn those over to clear why the former president's legal team has not appealed the order, forcing him to testify. it's not actually donald trump tends to appeal everything, even if it's a really long shot, but in this case you know, anderson. the best way to look at this is they were essentially out of time. they were clearly running out of time going into yesterday whenever they were asking the
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appeals court for this help and this federal appeals court, they would have had to step up to put on hold the testimony. it wasn't just like a passive appeal that would put everything on ice. and so whenever yesterday the speed that the appeals court came back at this with that they hadn't appeared to write anything. additionally, even though it's all under seal it don't look like they were explaining or weighing law in any way. it was just a flat out denial on both the documents and the testimony . they weren't gonna block it, and that's it, so they would have had to get somebody to step up and help them in a very short time before friday, and they didn't do it. i appreciate it, killing poland's now the law firm of roth coats and eisen. former federal prosecutor jessica roth currently have cardoza law school here in manhattan. cnn anchor laura coates, also former federal prosecutor, and cnn legal analyst, norm eisen, who served as counsel to house democrats in the first trump impeachment. lauren given that evan corcoran is expected to not only testify tomorrow, but turn over these
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documents. how likely do you think it is? the prosecutors may students find a smoking gun of sorts. if there is one, he would have it, wouldn't he? absolutely and of course, it seems as though there's already been some smoke that was conveyed to the court at two different levels to suggest that there was some um, extraordinary reason to actually pierce what has been so sacrosanct. i mean, the idea of piercing the attorney client privilege and saying, look we normally will hold this very dear. but it seems as though there may have been an attempt to use an attorney as some conduit of crime or fraud or some way to sufficient to pierce it. that's very significant. so the contemporary is notes. he's written any kind of things he has in his own possession that will have to convey right now. these could ultimately lead to one of two things either could confirm what the doj likely already knows through their grand jury of other witnesses, or could exonerate completely and say this attorney that he was supposed to do to court to confirm that everything had been turned in or that he was played for a fool. one of those two things are gonna happen, and
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we'll see what the result is just i mean, if you were the former president and given the totality of all these things. how concerned would you be that you're former attorney or attorney is having to testify. i would be extremely concerned because the very fact that the district court and the court of appeals have both found that the crime crime fraud exception applies means that they have seen evidence that the president was consulting his lawyer in furtherance of committing a crime. and that means not just one judge has seen it. but others and the appellate court judges right that panel, so i'd be very concerned because judges do not lightly pierce the attorney client privilege, as has already been said it's extreme. seemly rare for a court to do that. so if i were the former president, i would be extremely concerned about what it is that the that persuaded the judges that this was one of those rare circumstances where the attorney client privilege should be pierced and what evan cortland is going to go in and say and what evidence he's going to present norm does the speed at which the courts have moved
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to compel corcoran to testify. tell you anything about the possible strength? the boj's case. um, anderson. it does. we already knew it was a powerful case. i mean, you can't hang on to hundreds of classified documents and do that, despite requests we already knew there was a probable cause, finding of obstruction and other crimes for the search warrant. but now what the speed tells us is number one. that the conduct was so serious. this means that the judge how the district court judge found a prima facie case of crime that's even stronger than probable cause and number two that things are moving very rapidly. there's some reason that jack smith is accelerating this way that suggests peril as well. so it does have the feel that together with donald trump's other legal problems he has got not a big one on these
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moral lago classified documents with the hush money case here in new york. how do you interpret the delay so far in the grand jury's proceedings? well, you know, it could be a delay that's caused by recollection and reflection to say, listen, we may have an instance of getting more testimony, more witnesses to cross and, uh t or dot an i or it could very well be that there is more information for a charge that we are yet to know about that. they're trying to buttress in some way, although it does give me pause if the reporting is accurate, and they're thinking about using another witness or recalling a witness, either rehabilitate or but trust some testimony. that gives me pause anderson because normally, the grand jury stage is one of the easiest parts for a prosecutor. the statement you can indict a ham sandwich. it's a probable cause thing. it's not beyond a reasonable doubt. not that you want to be dismissive of that ultimate burden. but if you're having trouble right now, convincing a number of grand jurors that you want to indict a particular case and they're
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reluctant that will inform you a great deal. so remember you have 23 grand jurors say you have the majority of 12 who want to go forward with something that doesn't give you much comfort that, 11 said. you don't even have probable cause if that's where they are, that's a whole different ballgame. the other consideration just is you had this rebuttal witness on monday . it's very possible that they may call somebody else into good to rebut the rebuttal route witness. it is possible and it's possible that they're taking some time to evaluate what is the best response to that rebuttal witness. that could be one explanation. it could also be that they're taking time to evaluate whether they want to use the power that they have by issuing grand jury subpoenas to collect any further evidence or subpoena any further witnesses because of prosecutors hand is strongest when using the grand jury, you can still issue subpoenas to appear before trial. but your hand is strongest when you can issue grand jury subpoenas, and so it may just be that they are taking their time to see if there's anything else that they want to use that power to collect before
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the case proceeds to this next public stage. do you think about the pressure that that the d a is under from house republicans ? well, i think that it's as as the d a said in his letter. i think that the request for him to come testify before congress , i think was extraordinary and inappropriate, and i was glad to see that he issued a very strong , forceful response. enormous interesting. i mean, they don't even know exactly what evidence he has or what argument he's making. they just outright said don't pursue anything. anderson it's extraordinary in my decades of doing criminal law and working on congressional investigations, and, uh, as part of legal teams defending them, i have never seen such a blatant nakedly political partisan. effort to interfere with a state
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or federal prosecution when we were doing the first impeachment of trump bill barr wouldn't even come talk to us about the mueller investigation, which at that point had been closed without charges. so i think that that it is wrong. i was glad to see ah, the district attorney fire back with that smackdown letter, and i will say that i don't think that is the letter of a man who is wobbly or shaky or blinking on bringing charges . having practiced in new york. there's often some routine up and downs as you're ending a grand jury and i think that they are moving with all deliberate speed. i continue to expect charges and soon, laura coates just go on. thanks so much just ahead. the political gamification to the investigations as house republicans. rally around the former president expand their investigation to the manhattan district attorney. i'm eva
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congressional inquiry with a blistering five page letter today, as we discussed, she wrote that the republican inquiry into what could be the first criminal indictment of former president lacked a quote legitimate basis for congressional inquiry. she goes on to say that the claims the investigation is politically motivated or unfounded. comes after republican chairman of the judiciary committee jim jordan's last night expanded it's investigation with requests for more documents and testimony, joining by two cnn political commentators, jonah goldberg, co founder and editor in chief, the dispatch, and van jones, former special adviser of president obama and also by cnn senior political analyst gloria borger . jonah how first of all what do you think of the republicans efforts to stop this? um without he actually even knowing the details of it. i think it's wildly inappropriate right if it would be one thing if the brad came out with a really faulty, preposterous legal theory. i'm inclined to think that the legal theory behind this is really not easy to defend and bad people who feel that one cannot
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threaten a law enforcement officer, an officer of the court with political retribution for something they haven't done yet . based upon rumors in a newspaper it is it's just it's apparently you can you can. it's wildly inappropriate. i do think. look i think the bragg investigations politically motivated. i think this is politically motivated. this is one of these eye for an eye leaves the world blind thing. everybody is going outside of their lanes. everyone's everyone's bad behavior is justifying worse behavior on the other side, and but there's no justification for what they're doing because it is just simply an attempt at political intimidation. um, based on nothing at this point and i it's embarrassing. i against law enforcement. this is a crazy thing. the republican party's what we believe in law and order and less federalism. unless you're saying something mean about our former public president are for former president. now all the rules go out the door and you're going to
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try to intimidate a district attorney and insists that politics now be a part of this process. and so i think it's outrageous. gloria do you? i mean, i guess it's not unexpected. they did this conventional wisdom not long ago was that a lot of republican lawmakers were growing tired of the former president. how do you score that? with three powerful committee chairs and the speaker of the house going to the mat for him against brag, of course , it's easier for them to go against alvin bragg that it is for them to go and against donald trump. and if you listen to what they're saying, they're not saying oh, this is completely defamatory. no one could ever imagine this truly happening in the real world. they're not addressing the case itself. they are addressing a prosecutor who may think is incredibly political. i think it's a dangerous road for them, because when you look what might be coming down the road, which is the georgia grand jury on trying to overturn the election , and the special counsel jackson smith. questions of the mara lago document case, for
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example, what are they going to go out and say then it's politically motivated and just take donald trump's line on that they all have elections to win. there's a presidential election coming up, and they have to look for those voters who may be tired of donald trump. are those independent voters. are they going to keep on with the same line. i think many of them could peel away. nobody should be surprised during that the former president is fundraising off all of this, he said. they're going to arrest me. on tuesday, his campaign had said they raised, i think $1.5 million as of a couple of days ago. um does that help him? i mean, it helps him obviously financially, but just if his goal which i assume should be to expand his base. does that help him do that? no i think it's a sign that he's not expanding his base. i think 1.5 million actually, shockingly low . i think that there was a time where if this was happening to trump the number would be much, much bigger. i think he is, uh, squeezing last bits of juice about his from his diehard small
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donors. um and at the same time that's a sign that he's actually like. he's not adding any voters to his column with any of this, i mean, um, and so i think that this is a this in conjunction with what may play out in the future. with future indictments and all this. i think it's all contributing to an atmosphere or an attitude towards trump that can be boiled down to his. it's always something with this guy, right? just a lot of friggin baggage with this guy. and so even among a lot of people who like him and really don't like his enemies, it may be that this could reach a tipping point where they, you know, desantis. at least it's a fresh start so interesting. you know, the former president calling for protests and there wasn't you know, a huge swelling in the streets in cities across the country like not not at all, and i felt badly because first of all, we got head faked. you know , the donald trump says. i'm getting arrested on tuesday. everybody protest the only people who believed him. we're reporters. so like his crowd was
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like, nah, we're gonna stay at home. so we're not going. we're not going to new york city fist guy, and so it really is. i think a situation where um, you're right. i think he's trying to squeeze this for all it's worth. he's trying to get money. he's trying to get sympathy. he's trying to get support. you do see some rise in the polls, but you know, it's probably a sugar high and at the end of the day, he's looking down. the barrel of his own lawyer is now going to have to testify against him. this is what he can try to profile because when it's okay, these are very, very tough days of donald trump. gloria were you surprised that they didn't try to appeal the decision that evan corcoran had to testify. well they probably didn't have a lot of time and i also think they probably knew that they were going to lose given you know what i mean. given the fact that this ruling was so quick, they must have been some evidence there is your legal eagles were talking about before, so i'm not really surprised by that. what i what i am surprised by is sort
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of the republicans trying to figure out um, how they dance around. this is jonah was saying before because right now the republican race for the presidency, such as it is, is all about donald trump, and they know full well. what's good for donald trump is not necessarily good for the republican party, and i think that we have to watch this play out over the next days and the next coming months because there's going to be more of this stuff. and right now no one knows how to react to this anymore. republican can say they didn't know then this is this was gonna happen not not necessarily the particular case, but it's been clear that donald trump is not good for the republican party or the future of the republican party. certainly for a long time. no it's like this just in pairs are using our national forest as toilets. i mean, this is fairly well known thing at the same
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time, i think to scratch their backs on trees, family family show. i should have said that. but look at the same time. there is this double bind that i think democrats and a lot of people in the media get into they want to have it both ways. with all these republicans they want to say, look there. it's a personality called the colt. they're all in for trump, and they're all cowards for not speaking out against them. well, if they're cowards, that means they know the truth. and they're afraid to say it. and yeah, there were three committee chairs who did this stuff, but there any enormous number of republicans who are just keeping their head down, including some are running for president who just don't want to get mud on their shoes one way or the other because of all of this will have to jones floor abortion as well. thanks so much coming up an extraordinary tale. now. of ukrainians risking their lives to save orphan kids from what the international criminal court is now calling forced deportation to russia war crime. the rolex. salud. longoria
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even try to cover up what they were doing. quoting the chief prosecutor again, he said. quote the simple reality said these crimes have not been hidden. cnn's david mckenzie travel close to the front lines and spoke to ukrainians who risked their lives to try and stop would appear to be war crimes. approaching the southern front line in kherson. in the liberated city. many have fled. it's deceptively quiet. until the relentless terror. the often indiscriminate, almost daily russian shelling. we've come to investigate a very deliberate horror of the russian occupation , so the children who stayed here were under five years old. mostly this orphanage had more than 40 children here. elena was a nurse here for 17 years. not a single child is left open. i
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feel emptiness, emptiness. everything is just stopped. she says. the children had everything. they were so happy. the children were happy. now it's just silence and small reminders of them. their names still on each locker, children's home is now a crime scene. brelo warned us to collect their clothes, says elena, the russians and collaborators called in the evening and said to prepare the children for the morning busses arrived at eight. the heartbreaking scenes captured for russian propaganda shared on a russian mps telegram channel. the bewildered children taken from their beloved nurses in october, transported to russian occupied crimea or russia itself, say ukrainian investigators, but instead of hiding this alleged war crime russians advertised it. children will be taken to safe conditions
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in crimea, he says. i'll definitely go and visit. investigators said was part of a premeditated russian mission to take ukrainian children even targeted hospitals. there was a lot of pressure by the russians to take these children, weren't you afraid? it was scary, very, very scary. so much pressure says all appealing casca twice a day, they demanded. we show them lists of the kids to take to russia, poland, her team came up with an extraordinary deception . the head orphans in the icu forged medical assessments, saying healthy children were severely sick. even faked an emergency ventilation, she says . we understood that the russians and collaborators would not forgive us, she says. we knew there would be serious retribution. we understood this , but they took the risks and managed to save children. and a
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critical care nurse took it a step further. tatiana says she fell in love with one of the orphan children. she worked desperately to keep the child of the list. are you adopting kira ? nice to meet you? we met them at home and ukrainian mom with her treasured ukrainian child, kira. kira is almost ready to walk. what does she mean to you? kira nada. she means everything to me, says tatiana. just don't even know to be honest, i can't imagine my life without kira. this awful war has given her a precious gift. so secondly, to see this david mckenzie joins us now from ukraine. from what you've been hearing, how else have kids been taken out of ukraine and into russia? addison they've been taken like this in
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the most egregious way. but if you see how they do it so brazenly openly in front of the cameras in busses like this from an orphanage, the russians didn't seem to care. they seemed like they were thinking they were doing the right thing. they also took them from parents coerced them. sometimes parents gave them willingly to go to russian reeducation camps, summer camps. they called it, the president, zelensky says, the up to 15,000 children taken in those kind of camps in the most serious cases like the one we reported on there are many hundreds, perhaps thousands, and it's these kind of cases anderson that the prosecutor is looking at very closely and in kherson, all those children who have gone well. they've ended up in occupied crimea or russia, some of them already adopted to russian parents given russian citizenship in a way losing the ukrainian identity. the ukrainians have no idea how they will get them back during this awful war and even post this
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will win it ever ends. the prosecutor is looking at this to arrest putin and his chief advisor on these issues, whether they ever get them to just as well. that remains to be seen. mackenzie i appreciate it. thank you still to come how much prison time and muslim cleric is facing here in new york for recruiting and inspiring followers to pledge allegiance to isis and includes playing matchmaker for would be isis brides is the first person tried under state terror laws passed after the september 11th attacks will show you what happened in court today. make your dream car. a reality. mercedes benz certified pre owned vehicles are rigorously
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times. they said he inspired several convicted terrorists and even acted as a marriage broker for isis. it'll be the first person to be tried under new york state terror laws passed after the september 11th attacks , even though he never set foot here will spreading isis propaganda more now from cnn's brendan grass. i can give you what you want. i can link you to someone there. we will plan together. these are messages that sealed the fate of sheikh abdullah el faisal, a jamaican born radical muslim cleric to the training camp. learn how. learn how to shoot a gun. learn how to make i e. d s terrorism experts say is one of the most influential promoters of violent extremism. to date those promises made to a woman living in new york city who faisal was helping to recruit. i was a single female trying to travel to overseas to the islamic state territory. he was actually corresponding with an undercover nypd officer whose identity
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remains concealed for her security. she spoke to cnn exclusively when i found out like what um this individual was involved in and what he had in the past, if all great to be part of this case, in part because of her work, faisal is now a convicted felon. the combination of a years long nypd investigation and two month trial by the manhattan district attorney's office. he never stepped foot in manhattan. and yet you guys charged him. i think it shows. the reach of the office. while he may not have set foot here, his message, his voice and his horrific impacted became radicalized. in the early nineties, his career as a preacher began in london, where he gave fiery sermons to large crowds forward is not the bullock the way forward is the bullet, eventually posting his preachings online in english. the english speaking element enables him to reach a crowd of people. that hadn't really been focused upon ultimately achieving global influence.
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authorities have tied his teachings to notorious terrorists, including one of the 9 11 plotters. the shoe bomber in 2001, the 2009 underwear bomber, and faisal shahzad, who planted a car bomb in times square in 2010 every time they were interviewed after their attack, and to our their arrest from a plant. it seems that his name kept coming up that they were a follower of sheikh faisal, and then it became very personal to us here in this city as he was trying to not just radicalized individuals, um, but facilitate their mobilization to join isis. so we realized that we really needed to do something to try. and arrest this individual that was in 2016. faisal was living in jamaica. the nypd intelligence bureau enlisted an undercover officer who gained faisal's trust through online communications lectures. he portrayed himself this strict, you know, she but when talking to him, everything was totally different. he was
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just straight, like flirting and kind of like acting like like a nonbeliever. authorities say faisal was a master networker. he alternately connected the officer to an isis fighter in syria. give me your whatsapp. and you're telegraphing showed up. and somebody from us. we'll contact you both men offering to help her gain entry into isis controlled territory. violating new york state terror laws put in place after 9 11. the nypd arrested faisal in jamaica in 2017. later extraditing him to new york. he's the first person to stand trial on charges under the state terrorism laws, his defense argued faisal's words and communications, although distasteful weren't a crime, whether the terror is from isis or domestic threat, it's terror, and we want to address it in any and all of its forms in a manhattan courtroom, the undercover officer faced faisal for the first time. i was happy
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that he was there because of the amount of people that he harmed and we were able to get him. enbridge ingress joins us now to talk more about how the bureau was able to gain his trust. this is an investigation that spanned over a year, and it's pretty fascinating. we're talking about undercover detectives just in the nypd counterterrorism and intelligence bureau and gaining their trust. they literally went to different countries. i mean, there were times faisal was asking this undercover. show me the some landmark in abu dhabi, and they would have to go there to show him to just prove that she was who she said she was. in fact, of course, she was talking to his undercover and you know, you kind of forget about this. especially when you're talking about like a local new york city police department. i mean, this is someone the undercover detective acting kind of like the cia. i mean, had a completely separate life than what she was showing him and literally. her family didn't even know. even when we did this interview. we went to a separate room. yeah family doesn't doesn't even know the work that she did putting this, you know, huge terrorist influencer behind
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