ever ingredients to help you lose fat get lean, absolutely free, rugged 321321. this is cnn. the world's news network. this is cnn breaking news. hello. i'm alex marquardt in washington. thank you so much for joining us. today we are following some fast moving stories at this hour any minute now we expect to hear from israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu as an unprecedented wave of protests and strikes consuming israel, leaving it on the brink of a shutdown. the mass demonstrations in opposition to his proposed judicial reforms we will be bringing you the latest, but first we have breaking news out of nashville, tennessee police. they're saying an active shooter is dead and a private christian

elementary school. we are learning that multiple patients , law enforcement says multiple patients are being treated. cnn's emerald walker has been tracking this fast developing story. amra another horrific shooting in america. what are you learning? yeah listen, it's always heartbreaking, but it's starting to feel routine. unfortunately right, because we're constantly feels like reporting about a school shooting in this country. we don't have much. but as you said, multiple patients is what we are getting from nashville fire. we are expecting local law enforcement to give the media an update on the situation. as we are told it is an active scene. some new information we are learning. is that the fbi? this is according to cnn's nick valencia. the fbi has deployed agents to assist in this active shooter investigation. the gunman is dead. as you said, apparently he or she had engaged with police. we don't know the

circumstances surrounding that, but again, the most important thing, and i'm sure the thing that most people care about are these victims. we don't know the extent of their injuries. we don't know if their students staff faculty, but you know, we are learning right now that three children. have died as a result of the shooting. we are getting this is this from the vanderbilt university medical center? this is the information that we're getting right now, the nashville medical center has confirmed that three children have died. alex just heartbreaking. we don't know how old they are, but clearly they were the victims of what was a shooting event inside their small school. this is the covenant school, a private christian school. alex for pre k through sixth graders. the website says that the average enrollment is a around 200, the

teacher student to teacher ratio is about 8 to 1. so this goes to show that this has to be a very tight knit small community. and right now there is an area for parents to go to try to reunify with their children, and that also has to be a terrifying situation for parents showing up giving their names of their children to police and waiting for information on whether their children or not were victims in this shooting events so again? three children tragically have died as a result of the shooting at the covenant school in nashville, tennessee, alex camera and i just learned that news as she was speaking right after the top of the hour. we do know that this attack at this private schools and was saying happened just just a few hours ago. we've been waiting for more details. we have just gotten the tragic breaking news that three young students from this school

in nashville, tennessee, have been killed. as amra just noted , this is a school that has pre k through sixth grade. so those children we do not know their ages right now, but they could be very young. three children. and the gunman killed after this school shooting in nashville, tennessee, just a short time ago. amra we know that you will stay on top of all of the details that are coming in to cnn, and we will be back with you very soon. but in the meantime i want to bring in cnn law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe. andrew thank you for joining us. you've been on with me with so many of our colleagues so many times in the wake of the shootings. i do want to start with this news that three of the victims are for young students from this school again, this school pre pre k through sixth graders. what is your first reaction? when you hear that that this was at this private school with young students and that three of the victims are young children. sure

alex. well, i mean, it's my first reaction is horror and shock. and you know when the day comes that we don't react that way to this all too common news. we're in serious trouble, but we're heading a little closer to that every day. this is, you know, it's a little more than 10 years since sandy hook if we remember how that tragedy impacted the nation yet here we are 10 years later we've had you've all day. we've had so many other school shootings and really the situation. in is has not changed much in terms of the sort of security and protection were able to present to our most vulnerable population, our own children. we've raised a generation of young people who have gone to school, knowing that they could get shot at school and killed on any given day. it happened really anywhere in america. so um, i had my heart goes out to the to the parents of the victims. the parents of the other students who have had to now live through

this and will certainly grapple with handling it and also to the first responders to those men and women who rushed to the scene who mitigated the threat and who now have to deal with just a horrific, horrific um, crime scene that has to be forensically processed in order to support an investigation so we can answer some of the many questions about what happened here. and andrew, we are getting word that nashville metro police department will be giving a briefing in just 15 minutes time . of course, we will be bringing that to everybody live in the meantime, andrew, when you look at this, and you see that this is a private school, it is just an elementary school from a law enforcement perspective. is there anything that you can glean? or that you might immediately think about in terms of the identity of the shooter? who that person may be who we should? mind. our viewers is dead. sure. so obviously we

don't know who that person is yet. but you you kind of enter this problem with the presumption that that shooter had some sort of connection to the school could have been could have been a student we've had. we had a six year old in virginia just in january who brought a gun to school and shot his teacher? um could be a someone who is on staff on faculty could be someone who's related to a student or staff or faculty member, but they will there's likely some connection between the shooter and the school. how they ever landed at this as their plan for what they're going to do today. that's for the investigators to try to determine and to do that . they will be doing all the same things they do. after every one of these mass shootings. it'll be really tearing into that person's life as much as they can to understand what they may have been going through what they may have written or said or posted on social media what they might have told friends or family members, things that people around them. they have observed in the lead up to this situation, because, quite frankly, alex, we have to get

better at trying to figure out who these people are. because we have so few other recourses to better protect our children and our society and our safe spaces, spaces that are supposed to be safe across this country. alright andrew mccabe, stay with me. we are learning more. we have just heard from the daughter of one of the teachers at this school in nashville, speaking about when she learned about this horrible shooting earlier today, let's take a listen. and i just woke me up this morning and told me that my mom said there was a shooter at the school and then i texted her and i said, just like what was going on. she said she was hiding in the closet and that they were shooting all over and that they had potentially tried to get into her room. really scary, really sad, just praying for all the families out there. andrew as we know that we are going to hear from law enforcement in just a few minutes. what? what? what are you hoping to learn? what would

you be asking them? well you know, i think everyone's hoping to learn a little bit more about the shooter here. who is this person? what's their connection to the school? why did they end up here today? they might not have the answers to all those questions yet, but that's certainly foremost in people's minds. and then about the victims. i mean, we understand that there are three innocent children who have been killed and the shooter himself. of course his or herself is also dead. um and you know what? how is the local community preparing to support this group of victims , family members and parents and fellow students who are going to have a really tough, tough, tough experience to try to navigate over the next days and months and years? really? um and alex. it will be very routine. you will see police officers and first responders say the same sorts of things. we've seen time and time again in pretty much

every state around the country, and it seems to be happening at a greater rate this year. so um, we need to be prepared for it. horribly routine. you're absolutely right that that many of the things that we will be hearing. we have certainly heard many times before. andrew have you seen any shift in the conversation from a law enforcement perspective or sorry from a legislative perspective from the laws that we are implementing in this country or not? is there any reason to think that the country has reacted in any way to this rash ? this plague of mass shootings, particularly in schools? alex you're definitely some folks on the hill. uh in our in our national government who are dedicated to trying to make a difference, at least in terms of the availability of firearms, and we've made some progress on that in the last year, although i have to say those accomplishments are very minor compared to the size scope. of

this problem if you look back across the trajectory of the standing technical over 10 years ago, the fact is really closet on the front of the things that we could do to be more responsible about how we control access to firearms not know he's nobody's saying, getting rid of firearms or any of that sort of stuff. we have a second amendment in this country that protects that right for people. but but there are many ways we could administer that more responsibly by doing background checks and a more complete and better fashion by keeping guns out of the hands of children and people who are really struggling with issues that might lead them to a place to resort to violence . um and you on those major issues, major points, alex, we see very, very little progress. and andrew, we are getting yet another tragic update. in addition to the three children who were killed, we're also getting reports that too. adults. have also been killed. so five victims so far in the

shooting, plus the shooter, so that is a death toll of six so far, we don't know i'm told whether the two adults include the shooter, but the total death toll so far, andrew is five. would you expect it? i imagine there is an expectation that this death toll could continue to rise and that we may learn learn of more who were killed in this upcoming press conference. that's absolutely positive possible. alex as chief ramsey mentioned just a little while ago one of the very first things that law enforcement has to do after they address the immediate threat, which they appear to have done here by by, um, taking out the shooter is they have to conduct a very thorough search of the entire grounds just to see how many victims they have see how many injured folks they need to send off to the hospital? that sort of thing. and you know, as that work

continues, it's always possible to find additional victims, additional casualties and fatalities. so um, we may we may hear and see those numbers change as we get more from the local authorities and again we are hearing from vanderbilt medical center that the death toll is at least 53 children. two adults killed at this private school at a church in nashville, tennessee, andrew explained to me. obviously we have all kinds of law enforcement on the scene. what would the federal role be? 80 f fbi how they be assisting the local police and local authorities. so actually these this process of federal support to state and local law enforcement agencies is very well worn. it's um we have the authority at the federal level to step in and assist with local investigative efforts specifically in response to shooting incidents and mass shootings. the fbi typically provides investigative resources

that will help um, help with search warrants that have to be executed at the shooter's residents or place of work or on their vehicle. things like that. there's certainly offered to support with forensic examination services at the crime scene itself. so the these crime scenes are always mapped out in excruciating detail, to understand exactly how the shooting took place. and so there's all sorts of resources that the federal government can bring to police agencies. not nashville is a pretty, you know , it's a good size city with a strong and professional police force so they may not need as much help as someplace like, you know, you've all day. texas for example, um, on the other hand, are 80 f? um rtf colleagues also have countries capabilities they'll be able to go back and see the history of whatever firearms were used in this attack. understand whether or not they were purchased legally,

how did they end up in the that shooter on this day, and that's important to understand if there are other people that that, uh that prosecutors might try to hold accountable. we've seen that in places like michigan, where the parents of a young of a young man who shot several people at his high school and oakland, michigan of those his parents are now being held responsible for essentially providing him with the weapon that he used. so there's a lot of things that the federal government can do to help but absolutely the local police force their investigators. they're detectives are really leading the charge in terms of responding to this event. and now, of course, taking care of those folks in the community who are going to need a lot of help. well certainly a law enforcement would be looking to find out as much as they can. about the shooter who we do understand has been killed three children, two adults. um sorry. i'm being told by the we are expecting we're going to be right back. we are

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for meticulous in the second level, the immediately went to the gunfire. when the officers got to the second level, they saw a shooter and female who was firing. the officers engaged her she was fatally shot. by responding police officers. there was a five member team who was on that was on the second floor at that time to individuals from that five member team opened fire on the shooter. we know at this point that this shooter is a female. she appears to be in her teens, although her identification has not been confirmed at this juncture. we know that she was armed with at least two assault type rifles and a handgun. we are efforting now to identify her. she entered the school through a side entrance. and

traversed her way from the first floor to the second floor, firing multiple shots. we now know that there are three students. who were fatally wounded. as well as three adults inside the school. we are working to identify. those victims. including the shooter. a total of seven persons were killed as a result of this morning's incident at the school. by 10 27. the shooter was deceased. the officers had engaged the shooter by 10 27, and she was deceased. again i said the first call came in at 10 13 this morning. we'll have more details to give you later in the morning, chief drake will be here in a bit. now. kendra bologna from nashville fire. fire department crews are dispatched for active shooter incidents as well for medical

support, but also for an rtf response, which is a rescue task force response to go in alongside of em. npd response. our crews are right there on the scene to provide medical aid to any survivors, but also be there for victims so that we could try lifesaving efforts in this case. so we went in as soon as it was safe for our responders to do so to try to provide life saving efforts for those that were impacted by this incident and this tragedy, our crews were able to be on scene to pull out those that had viable signs of life, those that were still showing the option for to be saved, and we did make transport of three individuals and three children and then. two adults that were taken from the scene. our crews then set up a reunification unit. that

reunification unit is at 2100 would martin boulevard. that's where parents can go to be reunited with their children. all of the remaining students were able to be escorted out of the building with faculty and staff were not sure about the processes that they had in place, but we were on scene to help them mitigate anyone from seeing exactly what else was going on. but we are sure that they heard the chaos that was surrounding this, so we do have mental health specialists and professionals that are at that reunification site for both the students and the families that are going to be affected by this today, r o. e m units were able to provide busses to make transport from this covenant school to the reunification site . we had one bus that carried 74 students and faculty staff member spurs to the unification reunification site and an additional bus that had 34 students on them. so all of

those persons were carried. it was difficult for us to kind of identify who was just there as part of staff for the church versus who was there for the school because it's all housed in one building, but at this time we were able to get that number of persons transported out of the building and into that reunification site, so that is where parents can go to be reunited. with their students. there is a hotline being set up for parents to call. but right now that is where they should go. 2100 woodmont boulevard, which is what my baptist church additionally we do have a debriefing site set up for on staff are personnel who are working this incident, and there are mental health professionals set up there for them as well. there was one police officer that was injured with a hand injury as a result of making an attack on this incident. but other than that, there have been no additional injuries to first

responders or personnel responding to this, and as don mentioned earlier, we will have further updates coming later on in the afternoon. so on a typical day there would be about 209 students. inside the school and approximately 40 to 50 staff members about 42 staff members. i'll take just a couple of questions before you go back to the seventh dead and then nature of injuries. how many injured, you know? maybe you're being treated still or injuries. i never first responders weren't an officer had a wound from cut glass. that is the only other injury that i'm aware of. injuries. students are critical. three students are deceased. three students who were shot are deceased. three staff members who were shot or deceased. that's a total of six victims.

and then you have the shooter who was engaged by two of our police officers, part of the five member team, and she is deceased. for a total of seven individuals. there are no other gunshot victims nonlethal that i'm aware of that present. many people were shot. do you know how many people were shot before the police engaged the shooter? no shot anyone after they engaged the shooter. do you know if the shooter was able to shoot anyone else? what have any connections that we know of? we do not know who she is. at this juncture. we're trying to identify her. she does appear to be in her teams. again with two assault type rifles and at least one pistol. we all got a lot of this. recent incidents to the school of the church. no i'm not working in the school. no. this is a church that operates a private school. there was no metro police personnel assigned

to that building at any time, and you know if i were to adults that were shot maybe confronted . to a total of three adults, three adults who have been fatally wounded, one of them being the shooter. no three children. so let me let me go over this again. you have a total of six victims. three students who are deceased and three adults. staff members from the school who are deceased. the shooter herself. makes seven bunch of three adults may be confronted her. i do not the teachers. there is video from the school that we are viewing now to try to learn exactly how all of this happened. can you say where the victims were located? hallway and classroom cannot at this juncture, as you know, five of the six were transported. so we will get that information. later in the day, police engaged with the shooter inside the classroom or in the

hallway location is an upper level part of the school that's kind of a lobby type area. it was not in a classroom per se. all right, we'll be back. shortly. more details will tweet out. give you 15 minutes or so noticed before the next one. okay, thanks. alright, that press conference conference in nashville wrapping up we are learning more details. many details confirmed many questions still remain the metropolitan police department there in nashville, saying that the shooter was a young woman, a female who was possibly in her teens. they also confirmed the death toll. three children, three adults and the shooter for a total. of seven. i want to bring back in our senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe. andrew i think certainly what stuck out most to me in that press conference was that the shooter was a woman who was

possibly in her teens. what do you make of that? it's exceedingly rare. um you know, mass shootings are committed overwhelmingly by males. it's not, uh, it's happened before that. we've had females engaged in mass shootings. but as i said out, it's unbelievably rare. and in this case, i would say, maybe even more rare by the fact that she's potentially a teenager. but i guess you know we need more. more facts on that. um, i was also struck alex by the timing here, so they received their first call. the police did at 10 13 and the shooter was dead by 10 27. so that means you had a very, very fast tactical response by law enforcement. they had a five person team that entered the building. went immediately to the sound of the gunfire to the second floor where the gun was being shot and engaged that shooter and eliminated her. we also know

that they responded with what the fire department referred to as an rtf, a rescue task force. and what that tells us is that the police department and the fire department have done extensive training to understand how to respond to mass shootings together in the case where you have these sorts of task forces, you have, uh ah! e. m t s and folks associated with the fire department who actually have ballistic tactical vests. they go in with the tactical team for the purpose of triaging and attending to victims on scene before the entire structure is has been cleared by police. it's the fastest, most tactically sound way to bring medical resources into those victims right away. so what you have here is about as highly evolved , well trained responses you're going to get, you know, anyplace in the country, and still we have seven victims. we have a shooter, two rifles and a

handgun that is very heavily armed with lots of rounds of ammunition, undoubtedly. there is just, you know, hard to imagine a, uh what few facts. we have to be a better response. and yet it's still an absolute tragedy for this community. yeah it's six victims. three adults, three children, and i think andrew's speaking to the speed of that response of, according to metropolitan police and the fire department just there. in that press conference. there were no other wounded there was an officer who hurt their hands on some glass. but other than that, there were no wounded that we know of five people were transported to the hospital. we were told ah, they were all deceased. but as you just touched on, andrew, um not only is it exceedingly rare that a young woman carries out a mass shooting more than 90% of the shootings are carried out by men

. but this young woman also had access to these extraordinarily strong firearms to assault type rifles. and a handgun, so i imagine law enforcement will be looking into not only who she is. they don't have her identification yet, but certainly how she got ahold if she is indeed a minor of these of these guns. that's absolutely right. and you know the gun restrictions or different state by state, as we all know now and whether or not she was able to legally possess those those weapons. that's that's something for the investigators, and particularly the a t f to figure out, but they're also going to be looking at, like, where did where, if she wasn't able to purchase these things, or have them lawfully? how did she get them? did she get them from her parents or family members or friends? friends and are those any of those folks in a position to be held responsible criminally responsible for what

happened here today. um i thought it was also excuse me, really notable, alex that cuba's she was interdicted on the second floor of what the school and in what was described as a lobby area, so they got there fast enough to stop her before she got into a classroom, she was still in kind of an open space on the second floor, not actually in a classroom, which probably also saved many lives. as we think back to the horrible tragedy that you've all day in the situation where a shooter actually was able to kind of hide in a classroom with those victims and you know, according to the gun violence archive, we're not even in april. yet this is just the end of march. and this was the 129th mass shooting in this country just this year. that's of course, more than one per day. it's actually in fact, closer to 22 per day, but andrew when we see

that there were no wounded that all of the victims are now dead. does that speak to the power of these weapons? that this that this young woman is this girl if she's in her teens was able to get there were no wounded. uh which is which is just incredible in a shooting like this. it is, but i think, um, you know, it's another. it's another characteristic of the of commission of mass shootings by people who are armed with assault weapons, and we don't know exactly what kind of weapons the shooter was carrying , but we know that the police described them as assault weapons, typically assault weapons or weapons that can fire in at least semi automatic mode , which means you can fire a you know as many boats as you as quickly as you can pull the trigger. that's how many rounds that you can fire they typically

have removable magazines that enable this the gun to be loaded with with, you know 10 20 sometimes 30 bullets before being reloaded so that sort of technology weapons technology, which was designed for the battlefield is but per se, more lethal. it enables a shooter to dispense more rounds more accurately on target more targets more quickly, and that leads you with more fatalities rather than people who are simply wounded. and again to reiterate your point the fact that there weren't more fatalities, given the fact that there were these two assault style rifles really does speak to the speed with which law enforcement responded. understand by we want to play a little bit of sound from a woman who had a family member at the scene. let's take a listen. is ashby beasley from highland park, illinois. i was actually in town just on vacation. but

i'm a mass shooting survivor. my son and i survived a mass shooting in highland park where there was a shooting at a parade that we were at. we ran for our lives, and this is just unacceptable. it's only in america. can somebody survive a mass shooting and then go on vacation? um, to visit another person that they have met through, you know, fighting for gun safety. and find themselves in another involved like near another mass shooting, like only you know what i mean? like only in america. does this happen where we keep seeing this again and again and again? only in america does her son survived a mass shooting and then you know, end up in a lockdown school because there is another mass shooting. this is an epidemic. gun. violence is an epidemic and it needs it needs it needs to be resolved. it needs to be addressed when you hear about it happening at his school again. what what goes through your head? um i mean through me, the statistics start running like it's likely this gun was purchased legally, it's likely it was not stored properly in a

child took if i heard that it might have been a child or sixth grader. and i mean just how preventable this is how preventable these incidences are , how we should pass gun safety legislation and lock up weapons. and, you know, um but background checks require background checks on every single gun purchase assault weapons. and until we do those things, this is going to continue. and andrew. it's not just horribly routine that the school shootings, the shootings are happening over and over again that they're happening over and over at schools. but as we heard there we now have people in america. and this is not the first time we've heard this who have experienced more than one mass shooting. that woman was at highland park. she's now she's now a witness to the shooting in nashville. i mean, we have a growing number of the population here in the united states that have witnessed more than one mass shooting and not a long period of time. yes you're right. and

that woman was absolutely right when she repeatedly said only in america only in america, this does not happen anyplace else on earth with the frequency and lethality that it happens here in america and the driving reason behind that alex is because we have twice twice as many guns twice as many guns in the hands of civilians as the second highest gun, you know, uh , possessing country on earth. we have 120 guns for every 100 people in this country. it is the easy and largely poorly regulated access to firearms that provides the opportunity for people with grievances with complaints with mental health challenges. what have you to lash out in a way that reeks this kind of violence on society , and it happens at schools. it

happens at places of worship. it happens in hospitals, places of medical care. no place is immune from this sort of violence in america. it happens all over the place. we're not instinctively more violent than other countries. we just have many, many, many more guns and what drove this young woman this someone who maybe a teenager to carry out the shooting. obviously we will be at the center of this investigation again. law enforcement there nashville, saying that they have not yet identified her. they don't know who she is. obviously don't know what drove her to do this. we do know from the fbi field office in nashville that they do have a role in this investigation, but they are deferring to the local authorities, and we just heard in that press conference, local officials saying that they will offer more details later on throughout the course of the day when they have them but andrew the fbi now that we know that they are involved, what specifically would be their role in this event investigation at this early stage. what's

primaries primarily in two lanes . it could be two lanes. one is assisting with the actual processing of this crime scene. the fbi has extensive resources teams that are specially trained to be able to respond to places like this to collect the sort of evidence that we need to properly document. um and understand how this happened, you know, detail by detail the second way that the fbi predominantly helps is by assisting with the investigation of the shooter themselves, and this is going to be everything from helping to draft and execute search warrants at the shooter's residents, maybe at their place of work, um, identifying and interviewing family members, associates, friends, colleagues, whatever that might, for whatever understanding that might shed on why this person did this. and then, of course, executing lawful. um uh, process legal

process like search warrants and subpoenas and things like that to collect information about this person's online life, the sorts of things they may have posted on social media or the things they were looking at on social media or search history from their their electronic devices, things like that. that will all help to understand why this person did this. and that will go into the library of understanding that is growing every day about what motivates mass shooters we can get, we can no more and more about them, but it's getting harder and harder to stop them before they kill people in the way that people in nashville have experienced today. of course, so many just learning about this horrific shooting earlier today that has left at least six victims dead in nashville. i expect we will be hearing from all kinds of people in the coming hours and days, but we have just heard from the first later, dr jill biden. she reacted at an event

here in washington, d. c. let's take a listen. you know, i hate to so what i'm gonna say next because you know you're so enthusiastic. it was so much energy and hope and i feel it. but why you've been in this room? i don't know whether you've been on your phones, but we just learned about another shooting in tennessee. a school shooting. and i am truly without words. our children deserve better. and we stand all of us. we stand with nashville in prayer. our children deserve better. the first lady dr jill biden saying there, of course, the first lady and educator herself, you could see the

anguish and the sadness on her face. i do want to bring back in andrew mccabe are lawrence law enforcement analyst andrew, you were just laying out what's the fbi would be doing right now in great detail. they obviously have a lot in their place. but in terms of the speed, how quickly do you think they will be able to accomplish that? how quickly do you think that whether it's federal or local law enforcement will be able to figure out the identity of the shooter? considering that she is dead? you know, alex say under normal circumstances, you would know that the identity of the shooter pretty quickly within a few hours of the actual attack taking place. there could be a little bit more challenging here. if it is, in fact a young person, someone in their teens as the local police representative indicated, um you know, you can take one of the ways you understand who the shooter is, or identify a shooters by taking their fingerprints. if you're a teenager, it's unless likely not

possible, but less likely that you would have been fingerprinted in the past, so those records might not be there. to identify you, but i expect certainly, by the end of the day. today they'll have an understanding of who this person is, and that will lead directly to the execution of search warrants at her at her residence and any other location they can associate with her to look for that sort of evidence that we discussed a few minutes ago that might shed some light on her motivation and why she did this. alright andrew, stay with me. we're going to take a quick break. if you're just joining us, just to recap at least six victims in a school shooting in nashville, tennessee. we will be taking a quick break and be right back with more breaking news f from cnn. stay with us. y most important kitchen tool, my brain choose new areva plus, unlike some others, areva plus is a multitasker supporting six key indicators of brain health.

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training teachers arming teachers for more guns in schools. what what do you say to that? well you know, i think first we need to look at what happened here. alex this there are there are many indications that this was an incredibly professional. well trained response. they got there in minutes. it was a large tactical team, five member team that entered the building. they had medical support services integrated in that team from the fire department who are trained and equipped to do so. uh you know, there's obviously a lot more we'd like to know. but at this point, all indications are this was an eye. the ideal law enforcement response and still you have seven people dead. the sad fact is, you will never be faster than the shooter. you are always behind the shooter. you're the best you can do is limit the damage and the idea that okay, let's flood the zone with civilians carrying firearms

, civilians who aren't trained to the level of law enforcement. you are no more prepared than your average agents. to the idea that have a violent person walked through the door one day. it's just it's fiction to think that that's going to change this situation. the weight of the way we need to start thinking is about prevention of how is it that these troubled violent people are able to become so heavily armed and walk into schools? it's just into we start thinking about the problem through the lens of prevention. we're always going to be behind the issue and cleaning up the mess and ideal law enforcement response. you say that resulted still in the deaths of six people, including three young people. so in your mind, andrew, there is no law enforcement response to this. this is a political and a legislative question. yeah you know, we tend

to think of every every issue like this is certainly any issue that involves violence as a law enforcement problem. the problem with that thinking is there is no perfect law enforcement solution we can keep getting better are folks can be better trained. they can be faster on scene, but they're always going to be behind the attacker. so we have to. that's this is a problem that law enforcement alone cannot solve for this country. we have to start thinking differently about how we regulate our access. us to firearms. what we do with people who we think are truly in trouble and in danger of engaging in activity like this. it's not something that law enforcement can do on their own. when you see an incident like this, how worried do you get that there may be others quickly on its heels, copycat attacks that kind of thing. so that's you know, for me, that's kind of a vestige of the many years that i spent in counterterrorism work, and any time you have an

attack that looked, and i am not suggesting that this attack looks that way or is any in any way connected to terrorism. but in the terrorism context, you're always worried about another operative. another a follow on attack or something like that. so yeah. when i hear about these things, i instinctively wonder if there could be another act of violence that's coordinated in. it's almost never happens in the run of the mill day to day mass shootings that we experience in this country, but it is why a tactical team after eliminating the threat in the way they did in this school, they can't just dropped their guard and immediately start um, you know, thinking about tending to the victims, they have to proceed to clear the entire space. they've got to go room to room to understand if there's another threat and also to find additional victims and casualties. we are getting word that we may be having maybe getting more. ah comments from officials in just a few moments

, andrew, i think both you and i had the same reaction when we heard from them last time. absolute surprise, stunning really? that this attacker was a girl, a young woman, possibly in her teens, according to the metropolitan police department, is that question of her identity, the biggest one that you have right now. well, it certainly is like who is this person? everything else that follows all the other questions that will have really come from that. like once we understand who she is, we can better understand what her connection is to the school and what brought her to this place today to engage in this attack. and it is relatively uncommon, is it not that these kinds of things these shootings take place at private schools? doesn't that raise more questions? you know it does, alex, but i think schools figure so prominently in

the locations, the chosen locations for mass shootings that i think you can. really um i don't i don't have the data on this, but it would be interesting to see how they are represented proportionately in that in that universe of andrew one second, the white house's speaking officials about what is known so far. we want to express the president's appreciation for the first responders and prayers for all the families affected by this shooting. what? we don't know yet all the details in this latest tragic shooting. we know that too often our schools and communities are being devastated by gun violence. schools should be safe spaces for our kids to grow. and learn and for our educators to teach. as you all know, president biden has taken more action than any president in history. on gun safety from nearly two dozens, two dozen

actions, including the executive order he just signed last month or this this month. pardon me to the bipartisan, bipartisan safer communities act legislation he signed into law after the tragedies and you, baldy and buffalo. he also believe it's not enough. we must do more, and he wants congress to act because enough is enough. in his state of the union. the president called on congress to do something to stop the epidemic of gun violence, tearing families apart, tearing communities apart. how many more children have have to be murdered. before republicans in congress will step up and act to pass the assault weapons ban. to close loopholes in our background and our in our background check system. or to require the safe storage of guns. we need to do something. once again, the president calls

on congress to do something before another child is senselessly killed in a preventable act of gun violence again. we need to do something. i also wanted to say a few words about the deadly tornadoes that tore through mississippi on friday night as the president said in a statement over the weekend at the white house press secretary korean jean pierre speaking there at the white house podium in the briefing room, asking very bluntly how many more children need to be murdered before something is done? she listed the various things that president joe biden has done to try to enforce. go and safety and efforts had gun regulation. she brought up there . andrew mccabe, the assault weapons ban. this is something that president biden has been very vocal about. the fact of the matter is, however, congress is divided. democrats control the senate republicans control the house, so it is very difficult to get any kind of

substantive legislation through, however, and he if there were an assault weapons ban, knowing that this young woman this teenager had two assault style weapons on her how effective at preventing these deaths, do you think that could have been. well it's hard to stay with great clarity how any potential legislation might have affected this individual situation? especially not knowing how this young woman came into possession of these two assault rifles, rifles and a handgun. however what we can do is look back at the period in which we had an assault weapons ban, and it's undeniably clear that these sort of mass shootings declined during that period that we had an assault weapons ban in place . now that ben was not perfect. i know from personal experience, working as a street fbi agent in

new york city and trying to prosecute people for gun crimes . it was not the easiest statute to work with. but when you look across the country in general during that period, you had a decline of mass shootings. um and so i think, putting the prospect of an assault weapons been back on the table. i you know, it's is something logical and sound aspirational likely for the administration to do because you've mentioned the political reality we live in today is probably doesn't make that even remotely possible. but um, the numbers would tell you that it would likely be a good thing to do, and we only have a minute left. but and i hesitated to leave on a sad note. but it is, of course, an incredibly sad day. so on that, what is we've just learned just being told that the shooter was in fact, not a teenager, but a 28 year old nashville woman so she was 28 years old, went into the

covenant school just a few hours ago and shot and killed at least three adults and three children . she herself was shot, andrew, we only have 30 seconds left any reaction to this news that she was not a teenager, but 28 years old. doesn't affect the tragedy in any way, alex. it's still an absolutely horrific thing that's happened. it may shed light on how she came and in possession of those weapons much easier for 28 year old to purchase firearms . and it is for a teenager. um but we'll have to. we'll have to wait and see is that plays out we get more information from the locals on the scene. alright andrew mccabe. thanks as always, for all of your expertise. we're sorry they got to come in for this horrible news. cnn breaking news continues right now. this is cnn breaking news. hello and welcome to the