stated that investigation is still ongoing school have school shooter protocol. they did have protocol to my understanding. we had unfortunately, three kids that would tragically hurt. it could have been far, far worse. okay folks, we'll be back again before four o'clock. okay. thank you. that was a press briefing from nashville police and other officials in that city. as six people, three of which were kids are dead from another shooting rampage in the united states. but this mass shooting wall obviously all too common is also very rare national police confirming they have identified the shooter 28 year old white woman. who forced her way into

the covenant school, a small private school inside a church that the chief of police in nashville chief john drake, says appears at one point was apparently a student at that school. they were led to her by what he said was a vehicle parked nearby that they wouldn't go into further detail about her as this investigation is just underway. police say that she killed three adults staffers as well as those three children and students. the first call came in at 10 13 am local time and police say within 15 minutes of the call. the attacker was dead. cnn's dianne gallagher is tracking all the latest developments for us and diane police just gave an update. all of the families of those killed have been notified. they have identified all of the victims, and for now they are not releasing the names. that's right. and also bianna was noticeable that they said they did not want to release the ages, either. we are likely dealing with very young children

. here is the covenant school at covenant presbyterian church serves pre k to sixth graders. and so three of those six who were killed by that 28 year old shooter, of course, our children . we're talking about young children here. were murdered inside their school, which is inside of a church. now some of the new information that we learned from the police chief there was again as you said, this is a 28 year old white female who they say does live in the nashville area. the chief said that there was a car that helped lead them to identifying that suspect and noting that it one point, although they are still looking into this and investigating this perhaps she had attended the school again. a 28 year old woman. they're still trying to investigate. earlier today, we were told that there is video from the school that they are going through trying to learn more about what happened, said that she did try and force her way into a side door. now

according to the initial description of what happened, we're told that it happened on an upper level inside. the covenant school, not in a classroom per se. it was described by the metro nashville police media representative don errands as being a lobby of sorts inside that school. it's just a small school. we're talking just over 200 students again from preschool to sixth grade. about 40 to 50 staff members in total, according to metro nashville police there look, they have said that they are still trying again to piece together what happened in this, but they had a five person team and there was a lot of talk about how quickly they were able to respond at 10 13 am call that the shooter was killed after engaging with two police officers by 10 26 am so we're talking about less than 15 minutes from that initial call. they say the shooter was dead,

they say five person team responded to the shooting to engaged on that upper level two officers engaging with the again. this is a community they mentioned they had these shootings. unfortunately mass shootings in the area before i've covered mass shootings in nashville before this is something that the metro nashville police department said that sadly, they are very prepared for and that some of the students were able to quickly respond to this and get out because it is so sad and unfortunate that preschoolers through sixth graders know what to do in this situation, because , unfortunately, so many of their parents, their friends, their communities or schools have had to be familiar with. it's something that we do know is that because this was a small private school inside a church. there was no school resource officer associated with the police department there again right now they're still investigating and trying to again comfort a community that once again has just been destroyed by an absolute tragedy , but something that

unfortunately is still very common. and to that point day in, the police chief noted that some of these students reminding our viewers there as young as four years old at this school. some of them had the wherewithal to escape together. i believe, he said, into a separate part of the church as they awaited for first responders just gives you a sense of once again. um how we are just letting our children down. given that this is sort of a new normal for them and their schools. and these drills. diane gallagher, thank you. joining us now. on the phone is tennessee state representative bob freeman . he represents the area where the screw shooting occurred. thank you so much for joining us again. as we said to a state senator in the last hour. i'm so sorry that this is happening right now in your community. i'm sorry that we have to speak under these circumstances. we spoke in the last hour to state senator heidi campbell, who attributed this to just a sick gun culture and said that she had been there with the families of these students at this small school just to 209 students

inside the school on any given day. talk about your interaction with the community and some of these families and parents of these students there today. yes. thank you. thank you for having me and thank you for, um, covering this today. it's a it's a terrible day here in nashville. um yeah. you hit it on the head. this is a small school. that is that is part of the community that i represent. and um i would. i would wager that everybody in the neighborhood either has attended church there or has a as a child at school or has a friend that has a college school and just receiving the phone calls from from my constituents asking if i knew anything that they hadn't heard if their kid was okay is excuse me. um is not something you wanna you wanna you want to have to field calls for? i've got three young kids, um all within the ages of that school. um and you know, there is a very

high likelihood that, uh, one of their friends or acquaintance was was was one of the injured and or deceased? um, all across our city tonight at dinner. we're going to have some tough conversations with our kids and the echo what senator campbell said, uh, try to make them understand why we continue to have these things when we have opportunities to stop it. and um elected officials don't have the courage to do it. representative freeman on that question, something that popped out at me . reportedly governor bill lee last year in june of 2022 following the massacre, and you've aldi signed an executive order to harden schools to actually try to prevent the very thing that we are witnessing today. and yet that executive order included no new gun restrictions. was that a mistake? uh i think it's clearly a mistake. you know, we continue

to act as if there isn't a solution or we don't know what to do. and the answer is before us. other countries have had meaningful impact on, um on on gun violence, and there's a there's a playbook that we should follow. and, um folks into the sea. just don't don't have the courage in the background to do it. um i'm at a loss for words as we're watching video. we just had up. i believe shot by a resident nearby if we can pull that back up for viewers of children, um walking across the street hand in hand. as you know, people all see the ties see all the time with small children walking on field trips or going to the school bus. and in this case, the children who look very young in this video are walking away from a crime scene in something that we heard from the chief mentioning that there at least taught, and they had the intuition to leave their

classrooms and go to a different area of the church. i'm just curious. what are the things you're going to be telling this community and what are they going to be needing as the healing process begins? i mean, you know, go back to what you said. i watched that video as well. and um, as as that was happening. my wife called me and i just broke down in tears. it's unbelievable that our community as communes across the united states are having to deal with this. are we're going to need. we're gonna need answers. we're gonna need some comfort to at least move forward to believe that this can't happen again. we're gonna need to trust that our kids are safe. you you drop your kids off at school. um, you expect to pick him up at the end of the day and you expect the school in the school system to keep them safe? that's a pretty pretty low bar to expect from from from the school system and we've got to do better. and so

i'm also curious to get your perspective on one of the common aspects of the shooting. typically when we discuss these all too often horrific crimes, the shooter is a male and he's typically, uh, in his early twenties and not a teenager. in this case. this was a 28 year old. adult woman. what does that say to you? i honestly don't know. but i think like you i was shocked and when? when i heard that it was a 28 year old woman, actually, um, assumed it would follow the typical playbook of you know that 22 late. email um i hope this is this is a one off. we don't see more of this. that would actually more of this period. no one wants to see any more of this will recover it far too frequently. ah! representative freeman. what was your reaction when you heard

from the chief there in his description of the shooter? that the only thing they know about her and any sort of affiliation with the school or the churches that she may have been a student? you know again? i don't . i don't really have a chance to process that. but the thing that i was impressed with what the chief said was within 15 minutes. uh they responded the level of training that our metro police officers have here to go to the to the danger and again try to save the lives of as many people as they can. i was was was heartwarming to me at some degree to know that you know, these men and women are willing to put their lives at risk for, um, the members of our community. yeah. i'm not sure if you obviously have your hands full at the moment. i'm not sure if you were able to listen to president biden within the last hour, making remarks about this

from the white house, he was in the east room for an unrelated event and said that these events are quote ripping at the soul of this nation. he called on congress to act. but as you previously noted, there does not appear to be much momentum on capitol hill for any kind of significant federal gun reform. what's your message to lawmakers at the state and national level about the urgency at which you believe that change needs to take place? you know, the reality is that if weird or not as elected officials creating an environment to better and protect our children. what are we doing? and this? this should be the most bipartisan issue we should handle. there's got to be change every time i hear one of these stories. you know, i'm yelling at the tv. you know, we can't this can't be the there can't be another one. this has got to be the last one. and then

there's another one, and we're going to have to have some real bold leaders step up and demand change that people want change. the your average voter wants change. children understand there has to be changed, and i mean it's across the board. everybody understand that something needs to happen. we've got to act. um there have been proposals after proposals that get killed by special interest groups here in tennessee. we're seeing an expansion of where you can carry guns who can carry guns, the lack of a of a license . you know, people talk about constitutional carry here. we're going the wrong way. we have got to create an environment that's going to make sure that our kids are saved. um and until people start voting people out that aren't doing it. nothing is going to change. representative bob freeman. thank you for your time. and i'm so sorry that this

has happened to your community to your home and please take care of those around you. who needs you right now? thank you. thank you, sir. we want to bring in a law enforcement voice into this conversation. joining us now is charles ramsey, a former washington d c police chief. he's also a cnn law enforcement analyst. we also have with a senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe, former fbi deputy director. gentlemen thank you both for being with us chief first to you, obviously, the thing that stands out in all the details that we're getting early on in this investigation a 28 year old woman that the police chief says appears to at one point potentially have been a student at the school. first your impressions on that and then also walk us through what an investigation into her potential motive entails. well, i have no idea what the motive is. that's part of the investigation, and i certainly

don't want to speculate on that . as far as being a former student. she's 28 years old. so what's 15 20 years ago? perhaps a student and whether or not that has any connection as to what took place? uh you know again, don't be searching social media. there will be going through her vehicle as well as car as as our home with search warrants to try to find something that would pinpoint why, um, there are some cases where you never really understand why, but that's something that they will definitely be working on. um and um and we'll see. i doubt if we get any real information today. uh it's really gonna be very difficult to have any definitive answers this quickly. it was interesting also to hear that the vehicle nearby led them ultimately to the suspect. but you're right, chief. this is just the beginning of this investigation, and we're expected to hear more in the hours and days to come. we're

expecting another briefing before four pm they said this our andy, i'm curious. what stood out to you from what you heard from these briefings and how this all went down. well bianna, one of the things that really jumps out to me or the details that we have about the response how quickly they were able to get there how many officers were able to go into the building immediately? and so a five person team that sounds like they split up three on the first floor and two went up to the second floor, and it was ultimately those two who engaged with and took out the shooter. they had a integrated fire department response with them, so they've clearly been doing a lot of training with the tactical folks, uh, with fire department representatives who are able to go in with the tactical team and administer first aid to those folks who need it more quickly than they otherwise would be able to do so. you have really looks like a

pretty remarkable response. highly trained, um, very quick. and yet we still have this number of casualties. i think it draws a lot of attention to the core of this problem that no matter how good law enforcement gets, they are always behind the shooter. they are there to try to limit damages. they can't possibly prevent these things from happening so for me. that's a really strong take away from this particular tragedy. and i'm curious to get your response to this argument from governor bill lee of tennessee. in our previous conversation with the state representative, i noted he signed an executive order last year after you, baldy that attempted to harden schools as targets. they're soft targets, right, but that executive order included no new gun restrictions and his reasoning for not pursuing say, a ban on assault style weapons. was that quote criminals don't follow laws. what do you make of that

argument? we hear so often from lawmakers that criminals aren't going to follow the law. well, boris. it doesn't really hold any water in the mass shootings like this one and many others we end up having to report on the statistics are pretty clear. many uh i would say most mass shooters we ultimately find out in the investigation. the of the aftermath came across their weapons lawfully or they got them. you know, through the family or some other way that would not have been prohibited. so this idea that all mass shooters are, you know, have have committed some sort of crime and coming across there a r fifteens or their assault weapons or their handguns or whatever that might be, is just simply not true. the facts, however, are pretty clear that we have uh, twice almost three times as many guns in this country as the next highest

heavily armed gun country and on on the planet. you know it. we have your 18 times more likely to die of firearm inflicted homicide in this country than any other similar, well developed nation on earth. you're almost 44 times more likely to die of a gun inflicted suicide. in the united states of america. than anyplace else. so all of these societal problems are connected in some way, not entirely but in some way to the easy, easy access of unbelievably lethal weapons in this country. 129 mass shootings this year alone, and we are not even into the month of april yet, uh chief. again this is all early, but what we did hear from law enforcement was that the shooter and again she would have graduated from the school or

completed this school many, many years ago, but nonetheless, she went through a side door of the church or the school to enter. does that perhaps raise the speculation that this was preplanned that that perhaps the school was cased or is it too early? to be asking these questions right now. well, i mean, listen, i wouldn't be surprised at all if it was not preplanned. in fact, i'd be surprised if it was not preplanned. uh because she was a student at the school. she wouldn't know entry points and so forth, whether or not that door was locked or it was a forced entry remains to be seen . that's all part of the investigation, but you know, she was heavily armed. i mean to assault weapons. a handgun. i mean, you know, you just don't wake up and just suddenly decide to grab your you know, a ar fifteens or whatever, and handgun and go shoot some kids at the school. i would think that once they get into this investigation, start going

through social media, other evidence they find as they start executing search warrants. they'll find that you know, there was some thought put into this. um obviously, this is all speculation because we just don't know, but i just would find it hard to believe that this was a spur of the moment. uh, you got that took place. we suspect will start getting more details in the hours and days to come for now chief charles ramsey and andrew mccabe. please stand by, because our continuing coverage of this deadly school shooting out of nashville is going to continue. we're also going to have the latest on the president's reaction to today's tragedy. stay with cnn. we're back in moments. my most important kitchenen tool, my brn choose new areva plus, unlike some others, areva plus is a multitasker supporting six key

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from that area shot and killed six people at a private elementary school, three adults and three children. let's bring in cnn's phil mattingly fill the president just address this shooting at an event at the white house, once again, reiterating his call for the assault weapons ban. what what else did he say? you'll be on a it is a painfully familiar call one the president has made repeatedly over the course of his two plus years in office after shooting after shooting school shootings, grocery store shootings and yet another one today, and while there is certainly a sense of exhaustion and fatigue with the fact that when the president calls for lawmakers in particular to do more, there are significant limits due to the political dynamics in the u. s congress to actually get something done. the president reiterating those calls today take a look. it's heartbreaking. family's worst nightmare. and i want to commend the police who responded incredibly swiftly within

minutes and the danger reminder of the situation really closely. ban as you know. and we have to do more to stop gun violence. it's ripping our communities apart, ripping a soulless nation, the very soul of the nation. and we have to do more to protect our school so they aren't turned into prisons. you know, the shooter in this situation reportedly had to assault weapons and a pistol. two ak 47. so i call on congress again to pass my assault weapons ban. it's about time that we began to make some more progress, but there's more to learn. but i just wanted to send my concerned hearts out to so many parents out there. guys i think as a parent, i think all parents can speak for the horror of these types of moments, watching this play out and can't even imagine what the parents of three children who were killed are feeling at this moment. the president also talking about

those who were in the building that experienced this that we're able to escape alive in the mental toll that takes on them people paying attention to that, as well as for legislative prospects, two critical points here. we don't know exactly what happened, or if anything that's being at least proposed on the legislative front would prevent that. but the president has been very clear that despite passing bipartisan gun safety legislation last congress despite series of executive orders that he wants more done in particular, bringing back the assault weapons ban that used to be in place the reality, of course, and what else? officials are keenly aware of this, they simply do not have the votes to do that. certainly. with the republicans holding the majority in the house, but officials saying the president is still going to continue to push for that, particularly in the wake of moments like this guys. yeah the president reiterating how long he'd been working specifically on this issue with senator ben cardin, who referred to in that sound bite phil mattingly. thank you so much for that update from the white house. today's shooting at covenant school in nashville,

now part of the tragic list of statistics tracked by the gun violence archive. there have been 129 mass shootings across the u. s so far this year. keep in mind in 2020 to the u. s sites. 1/100 mass shooting on march 19th. the previous year. we hit that grim milestone in late march as well. so if you're keeping track of the math were on record or surpass what we saw the last two years from 2018 to 2020 to the u. s didn't see 100 mass shootings until may. the gun violence archive, which, like cnn, tracks these things that defines a mass shooting as an incident in which at least four people are shot. excluding the shooter. we want to bring in albany clayton. she's the leader , reporter on the guns and lies in america. project for the guardian. ebony. thank you so much for sharing your time and expertise with us, one of the things that we have reiterated it is unusual about this case is

the fact that it breaks the mold of the typical school shooter. we're used to seeing young in their late teens, early twenties white men in this case it is an adult at 28 year old white woman. what do you make of that? you know, the first thing that came to mind was a bit of deja vu. honestly we had the same conversation around a shooter not fitting the typical mold when we were talking about half moon bay and monterey park. both of those shooters were older asian men, and i think that seeing this situation be a woman is something that yes, shocking , but we don't know if it doesn't fit these profiles yet. we don't know enough about this person who don't know their motivations. we don't know if there are resentments and, um you know things that should have been flagged on a background check that we talk about after it is a younger white man. how could we have known this person

who's going to do this? how could we? you know how could we have stopped them from getting access to a gun? these are questions. we're going to have to ask in this situation again. so while statistically it um it's not common for a woman to do this. it wasn't coming for, you know older asian men to do it. it's um not necessarily. i think we're learning that the things that lead to these horrific incidents transcend race and age and have more to do with mental health, of course, and with access to firearms. but while it's shocking, we don't know if it's not in line with what we've seen before, just yet because we don't know enough about the individual. as you're speaking. we're looking at new photos that we're getting in from outside of the covenant school, their children on school busses surrounded by police. this one gets me all the time, children and walking arm and arm and see just how young they are being escorted out of the school and for safety drills. these are images that typically we see where children are going on

field trips are being walked to the bus, but not being walked out of a shooting. event at their own school. um, and of course, they are the fortunate ones, albany because as we know we've lost three students, three faculty members, and we look at the statistics again, 100 and 29 shootings this year alone. we talked about michigan state just a few weeks ago, where some of the students there had survived another recent shooting in michigan. what is your reporting , telling you about the prevalence and it looks like the increased trend that we're seeing? of school shootings. you know, it's something that is, of course hard to report on because it's so devastating, but also because school shootings, children being exposed to violence on campus. it happens in so many different formats. i feel like the ones that capture the public's attention. the most are these, you know, very public

. of course, the death toll is high. it's elementary school. sounds like we don't know yet, but it sounds like it's young kids, and at the same time we have shootings that happened after football games. there are armed robberies that happened near schools all the time, so it's really difficult. to contend with how ubiquitous gun violence and violence exposure is to like our youngest and most vulnerable, especially in the places where they're supposed to be the safest, you know, it's difficult to think about, and i hear the emotion in your voice beyond and i'm feeling a lot of the same things. it's it seems like there is there are a few places that you can truly say okay, my kids gonna be good here, like okay, i can send my sibling here and they'll be all right, because if it's not someone coming into the school and a lot of the most underserved communities where we see these things happen regularly and it goes unaddressed. kids are walking past vigils. you know they're coming to school and having to

talk about what happened most recently in their neighborhoods. and then on days like this, you know, my coverage ends up shifting from these long term stories to these immediate, horrible things that just put everything in context in a way that is, um, striking and devastating all at once, and in a way that i feel like we continue to respond to you know , we talk about the i saw andrew mccabe earlier talking about this very precise police response. we know that so many departments have these conversations after you've all day about like, how do we make sure we don't make these mistakes. but when you really think about it, all they can do is respond. they can only get there after the shots are fired. and at that point, it's unfortunately, too late. if you're talking about the trauma that is inflicted on students and teachers and families like it's really hard to contend with. i don't want to ramble on your television show, but it's a lot and just the images of the children and to know what they're going to deal with. in the coming months and years is, um it's too much to think about

were not built for it. there and especially as we look at at this image, as we noted earlier, powerful image of young children interlocking hands being led away from horrifying scene by officials. you you have to wonder what life will be like for those kids when they grow up , um, in light of what they have survived. albany i'm curious to get your perspective because you hinted at the idea of prevention being something that uh, could possibly, you know, or rather taking action on legislation could be something that might prevent these acts in the future. and so often when you hear the counter argument from folks that are opposed to any kind of gun reform legislation, they argue that if you look at places where there are very strict gun laws in place, they still have a high incidence of gun violence. does the data bear that out? what does the data reveal about passing legislation against say, for example,

assault style weapons? um that is something that is always top of mind. i think something that i always like to keep track of is how well these things are implemented. you know when we talk about after a mass shooting after something high profile, the question is always. how did this person get the gun we saw with colorado springs recently. this the individual who who shot up the club. he um, should have been flagged by all accounts is someone who a emergency risk protection order gun violence. restraining order should have been used on but in addition to the political strife around these laws, sometimes people simply don't educate their constituents on the options that they have if they feel that someone is a danger to themselves or others. so um, you know, we just came off of, uh, president biden announcing these executive orders that are meant to strengthen the policies that

were in the bipartisan, safer communities act, and when i was asked a question about you know what is going to do for mass shootings and assault rifles? my answer is always these things are only as good as their implementation among people who are selling guns out of a store people who are selling guns to you know on an individual basis, whether background checks are being done. whether local police and sheriff's offices are one in support of this sort of legislation and to are already taking advantage of what is available to stop not only high profile mass shootings, but the everyday incidents of gun violence that just compound trauma on trauma and continue to go unaddressed. so whenever i hear things about legislation, i hesitate to be pessimistic because i think it's something that needs to be done. but i always wonder what is this going to do to change people's immediate circumstances that are contributing to, um to kinda every day and community gun violence. and then what is going to do to, um. i guess to provide

long term support and care to people who are affected. i really think we don't look enough at those two lanes and we stay so focused on like, isn't assault weapons ban going to happen? what is congress doing? i think that sometimes our where we're looking isn't exactly where the problem is, and where the most potential for solutions lie because we know it's going to be. excuse me. it's going to be a stalemate every single time. and um, i just worry that we're putting a lot of our energy. in places where you know it can be better served like i said, contributing to long term support and bolstering prevention efforts that communities have already you know, come up with and have been fighting tooth and nail to have funded sustainably, and we haven't seen it happen yet. albany were really tight on time. but while you're here, i'm just curious. do you speak to students in your reporting? what do they tell you? about this issue and about the fact that this is something that they face

as their reality every single day. um it's funny because i actually shifted focus from this mass shooting to work on a long term story about gun violence exposure near schools in the most underserved areas in my hometown of richmond, california , and i talked to teams all the time, mainly about community violence and how they feel about you know the role that social media plays and how they fear for themselves and their friends when they're going to and from school, and at the same time. these are the same folks in the lockdown generation. you know so well. they're dealing with things outside. they go into school, and they're hearing about another shooting and maybe a suburban place, but it's among students who look and have the extreme experiences of them. so i think the kids are doing their best. when i talked to them. they always sound like they really want adults and older generations to get it together. but i would be lying if i didn't say there's a lot of hurt and trauma that's evident in the way they speak and kind of the

pessimism that i hear from them . so i talked to young folks. as much as i can, especially those who are most impacted by the gun violence that isn't always talked about, you know, places like cnn and is relegated to like a local crime coverage, and they are nonetheless affected by those shootings and are just similarly devastated when things like this happen, especially at an elementary school, so it's um it's a really difficult day all around, and it's going to be a really tough next few days to come, and unfortunately, i don't know that i can say i won't be back to talk about the same topic. as you noted, it happens all too frequently, but we're grateful to get your perspective . albany clayton thank you so much for the time. there's still much more ahead on our coverage of the deadly school shooting out of nashville. as we take a look at these heartbreaking new images of the moments these students were evacuating the

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private school inside a church, the teachers roughly 200 students with 40 to 50 staff. the first call came in at 10 13 am local time, and police say teams cleared the first floor of the building, heard gunshots and then found the shooter as she was opening fire. they say by 10 27 am they had shot and killed her. cnn's dianne gallagher is back with us and diane police now know and have identified the victims, but they are not releasing their names, and they're not releasing the ages, notably of those killed as well. yeah. yeah and that's especially poignant because this school is small, private christian school inside covenant presbyterian church in nashville serves preschool through sixth grader. so regardless, those three children who were killed are very likely. young now three staff members also killed, according to police investigators. still trying to put together exactly what happened here. they say that 28 year old woman from the

nashville area gained entry through a side door. they're still trying to figure out how she forced her way into the school. because they say all of the doors were locked. police say that she made her way to an upper level and that the shooting took place in a lobby type area, not classroom area. and again, they had a team of responders who showed up two of them, they said, engaged in their words with the shooter, and then she was killed less than 15 minutes after they received that first call now. identifying that 28 year old woman, the shooter, they said. in part, they used a vehicle that they found near the scene that they were able to try and link to that person. they're still trying to figure out why she may have targeted the school, the chief of metro nashville police, saying that they believe that she may have been a former student. but again, this is a pre k through sixth grade student. she's a 28 year old woman. there's quite a bit of time in between there when she may have attended that school, looking into all of this

at this point, police say. they do have video from the school that they are currently going over. they also note that she was armed, they say within their words, to assault style rifles and a handgun again, trying to speak with people trying to go over what happened at this point , and, you know, we've talked about this video of first responders and staff trying to escort those little children out the fire department, noting that they're going to make sure there's resources because even if the children didn't see it, everything they've experienced today. has been beyond traumatic for that entire community, just like you, said 200 students. they're very small, close knit church. yeah and all those children surrounded by police officers there, diane gallagher. thank you. back with us now our cnn senior law enforcement analyst charles ramsey and andy mccabe, thank you both for sticking with us, andy. i'm curious from your perspective in this investigation, as officials

review some of the footage that diane was talking about what exactly might they be looking for? what is it that they're trying to review? what details are they trying to gather and watching that footage? well boris. we only have to remind folks to think back to how essential the interior video recordings from the school shooting in uvalde a were in that situation, it was helpful to understand better. the law enforcement response here. there don't appear to be at this point any serious questions about the law enforcement response. but the interior videos are going to give you that same sort of very intimate. look at the shooter entering the location moving, you know, from her point of entry and that side door through whatever hallways and up with their ever stairs she needed to go to get to where she was ultimately confronted. it could give you an idea as to her sense of purpose, whether she was going whether she appeared to be

going to a specific place to engage in a certain room or with certain people or if she was just kind of wandering, you know, room to room, trying doors and essentially going wherever she could opportunistically gain access, so there's all kinds of things that are going to be very relevant to the investigators as they watch her movements into the building, whether or not she struggled with a locked door, whether or not she had some sort of access. privileged access like a key card or something like that. and then how she moved through the building and, of course, where she ultimately ended up. you mentioned you validate. that, of course, will go down in history as a case study of a horrific response and failure by law enforcement to a school shooting. as we're getting more details here. it appears that everything worked orderly and the police arrived within just 14 minutes of being notified and in sort of a sick way. it is reassuring. to see such a large police presence

around those children. just letting them know at least right now, at this point, after everything they witnessed, they are indeed safe, chief. let me ask you in terms of how other schools in the area of respond. this is something that the police chief in nashville they are well trained for and prepared for. do you think there will be a change in the security around other schools and perhaps other private church affiliated schools? yeah i think that all schools will assess their current security. um whether or not they keep their doors locked. do they have cameras? do they have a school resource officer? all those kinds of things. i think the biggest mistake you could possibly make is to think that it can't happen. uh at your school or your location because i think we've seen now that yeah, it can happen anywhere at any particular time. so uh, you know , i would imagine there is a lot

of thought being given into that as we speak, and that's going to continue, but that doesn't mean it's not gonna happen again, you know? you know, when you think about the number of firearms we have in our in our in our country, particularly assault weapons, and andy mentioned it earlier. so did miss clayton. you know, when 911 is called, it's after the fact this first shot has been fired already and these weapons, the salt weapons in particular. they're absolutely devastating, and they can kill in huge numbers in a very short period of time, seconds, literally seconds. and so the police response in this case was very good. it was very quick. there's no question about it. i'm sure they saved more lives. but the bottom line is there will be loss of life. if you have a situation like this. ah you know, it is just absolutely devastating with these assault type weapons can do to the human body. and uh,

lot of people just don't understand that. i think the president's right there needs to be a ban on these weapons. there needs to be an effort to try to get the ones that are already out there. these serve no purpose in a in a civilian setting. none whatsoever, and i just don't understand why we keep you know, messing around with this and just continue to, you know, think that somehow it's gonna change. it's not gonna happen again. 129 so far this year, i guarantee you that there will be double if not triple that number by the end of the year. it's unfortunate. but it's just a fact. it's not going to stop on its own. chief charles ramsey. andrew mccabe, we have to leave the conversation there. thank you both so much. we are anticipating we will hear from nashville police close to the top of the hour. we have much more of our coverage coming up in just moments stay with us. mm hmm. tomorrow on cnn primetime

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have been stalled for many years to explain, really extended assault weapons ban that had expired more than a decade ago, as well as to expand background checks on gun purchases, something that also has been difficult to get through congress even when all democratic control but just moments ago, the senate judiciary chairman dick durbin, who's also the number two democrat, renewed calls for legislative action. the fact that this is a daily occurrence in america is unconscionable. i urge my colleagues to come together on a bipartisan basis. we can't say that we've solved this problem or even address it seriously. when incidents like the one that happened today in nashville, tennessee, continue in america. we need to so i just caught up with dick durbin after he gave that speech, and i asked him whether or not his committee would act on expanding background checks on commercial sales and private transfer something known as universal background checks, he said. i'm a realist, and he has not made a decision yet about whether to do that, just because of the math

here in order to get legislation through the united states senate, you need to have 60 votes to overcome likely filibuster attempt. there are 51 members of the senate democratic caucus, meaning nine republicans would need to break ranks something that is very unlikely they couldn't do that last congress they did pass gun related legislation. they left out the expansion of universal background checks and the reinstating the assault weapons ban, but nevertheless still calls to do that, even though the political realities here say it's probably not gonna happen. guys. raju another mass shooting another shooting at a school in america. another tragic day in america. our coverage of the school shooting in nashville will continue the lead starts right now. three children and three adults victims killed at a school in nashville, tennessee. the lead starts right now a private christian school becomes a crime scene and mass shooting number 129 in the us