cnn primetime inside the trump investigations live tonight at nine. close captioning brought to you by meso book .com. we proudly help veterans with mesothelioma. call for a free book 1 808 220400 or go to missouri book .com. another school shooting this time in nashville, tennessee. police say a shooter opened fire. they're killing 39 year olds and three adults at this private christian elementary school. police identified the shooter as a 28 year old former student at the school. i want to bring in my panel, catherine schweiz is the former head of the fbi active shooter program. lz. granderson is an op ed columnist at the los angeles times. nicholas carson is a global editor in chief of insider. scott jennings is our cnn political commentator and lauren leader is a political list. thanks to all of you for being here, catherine. i want to start with you because you

studied active shooters from i believe 2008 to 2013 no sorry 2000 to 2013. i think you studied 160 of them. what can you glean from the facts we know at this hour about this one. boy i don't know. this is a tough panel you've got tonight. so they're on fire. so i have to be careful what i say. but they you know what we what we've learned so far. is that the that we have exactly what we see a lot of situations exactly what occurs in a lot of situations. you've got an individual who has some real or perceived grievance and they formulate this plan and they buy the equipment. they need to execute it. they do the surveillance and purchase their ammunition and plot their way out so that they can leave their message and send a message for whatever that is, and we'll see what that is, but it will be pretty common what we see in a lot of times and very troubled person, right? who has, who

wants to leave their mark and say something when maybe they don't feel like they had an opportunity to voice whatever that was? yes i suspect it will be something that we've seen before. because we've seen so many. of these and scott, you and i have had these conversations all too many times . i often ask you for solutions. i don't know if you have any tonight, but i just feel that we have a circular conversation always when this happens and i want to stop having that circular conversation. i want this to stop happening and i just don't know what more we can say about a troubled person with access to guns going in and taking it out on little kids. well, i'd like to see what was going on in this person's life. what do we know? we know that the police chief has indicated that there may be some resentment towards this school. sure, but it's just the a r s entry school. this person is 28 years old. so these are these are the chief's words, not mine. just telling you what he said. that one is a little bit hard for me to digest because that was 20 years ago or or, you

know, 15 years ago, but go on. we also know this person wrote some kind of manifesto, which they haven't released yet. we also know this person made diagrams. which tells me there was some sort of premeditation here, so i'd like to know what was going on in this person's life because i would like to know who else knew about it. i mean, one of the one of the things that that strikes me, as is really important here is that other people in this person's life know that this person was potentially violent, potentially harmful person. and if they did, did they tell anyone and if they didn't? why not? that's that's one of the things i'd like to know. this is the red flag conversation. you know that that some states have enacted and it's not all it's not foolproof, but that's one thing before i turn it over to the panel. i just wanted to say we need to say god bless the nashville police. showed up and minutes and took care of the situation totally different than you, baldy and also ah, god bless those parents. i mean, can i

mean like i've got a kid who's nine years old and the idea of dropping off your child only to have them never returned. i can't even i can't even i don't even want to talk about. i don't want to talk about the shooter anymore. i'm so tired of talking about these shooters. because the story is the same thing over and over again. it doesn't matter. i want to talk about the fact that millions of children are living every day with her going to school, which is supposed to be safe. my entire life. i never once there was not one school shooting my entire childhood. why because they are 15 assault rifles were banned into the late 19 nineties. and so i never lived with this and millions of children are living with it, so i personally want to stop talking about the shooter's stop trying to diagnose what's happening all over the world. there's crazy people all over the world. there's aggrieved people. only in america. do we have these mass shootings day after day after day? it's not even close. the numbers are not even close, and there's a red line when you watch the numbers in the chart. it changes the day it changes the day we start

seeing this massive spike in shootings in mass shootings is when the assault weapons ban expired. it is as simple as it gets. so we are allowing our children to live like this. we are prioritizing weapons over children's lives, and i think millions of america we are sick of it. it's really the only conversation we should be having is. when are we going to ban the a. r s? every mass shooting has been an air 15 for the last year. all you can do is a parent. i have a five year old and a seven year old. it's just throw your hands up. you know, i mean, i remember sandy hook, and it was like, well, this will change it. you know these things just not changing, and i don't know. we just wake up. it's going to happen again. i mean, it's gonna happen again feeling of helplessness, and there is a feeling of well i guess we can't do anything or kids are sitting ducks. it's got to that point where we're feeling like, well, this conversation is intractable. so i guess we'll just send our kids and cross our fingers treating this democracy work or not. yes it does the real question. yes, it does. if

it works, why are we sitting here saying there's nothing we can do? absolutely there is something we can do these elected officials that are protecting gun bob protecting all these. these winds that are pro guns to the point in which does not responsibility and accountability being used as the center of the conversation, but rather access is the center of the conversation. access shouldn't be the end of the conversation. it wasn't in the constitution. what does it say? regulated militia regulated who was regulating? what if you go back and look to the forefathers? it was the government. it wasn't individuals regulating themselves somehow, some way the n r a and those who are misusing the second amendment in order to have done proliferation have taken what we know that the forefathers met and bastardized their intent in order to allow this gun manufacturing continue and have all this money that's invest investing in the gun lobby. that's what it is leading cause of death now for children . i don't none of the rest of it matters. the fact that we let this happen is malpractice. but if you want to know what we do

about it go look at the playbook for every town for gun safety and moms. demand are doing every day they are on statehouse grounds there in washington every day organizing, mobilizing and pushing for changes in state laws, and actually, they've been incredibly successful in passing. a huge number of gun control measures in the states across the country. we need more of that, and democracy does work when we stand up and participate, but at this point like we've also, i think the where you're so in nerd that that is the response, which is we feel we can't do anything. and that is a self fulfilling prophecy. yes we can you just report on what happened in israel. you know what israelis were angry about what their government were doing. they went in the streets and they protested. we have all the same rights all the same rights to petition our government for our grievances as other democracies. in fact, we created at the standard for that we absolutely have the ability to change this. catherine, what do you think? as you listen to this conversation? we have a lot. we are making a lot of progress. politicians be . i can tell you that l z. we

have a definition for mass shootings at doj came up with in 2022. they just haven't really it's been publicized, but not well enough, apparently right, and there are things that are being done in san jose, california they passed law that is certainly standing up right now. that says that if you own one of those weapons, you have to have insurance so that you're going to have to. you're gonna have to pay for it. if there's an injury done with it, the red flag laws. i think law enforcement is asking me privately. they're saying we'd like to see something that i would call an enhanced red flag law where, instead of having to go to court if they go to somebody's house, and they find that there's a person who's a danger to themselves and the others they want to be able to take those guns, then not when there's an adjudication afterwards. and so i think that's something that some, um then there could be an adjudication, but the guns will be out of the home. i think that's something that some communities are looking for. in addition to that, you know you talk about training training for weapons before you're allowed to get them. other work on suicide

prevention and understanding that more gun deaths are caused from our part of suicides in this country that a third of the homes do not have secured guns. when you have guns in your homes , a third of those homes have at least one unsecured gun so better campaigning about secured firearms requiring reporting when they're lost or stolen. i just read yesterday that the largest number of stolen guns that occurs is in the seat is in cars because now everybody is carrying a gun. they go into a sporting event and they talked their gun in the car and the kids go through the parking lot and take all the guns, so we have to hone down those individual things that are going to help us to make those problems that process, you know , take the guns out of the people's hands that are dangerous and then do it despite or in addition to these additional gun laws, you are a fart. of information that was so helpful to have you wrap it up. we're gonna have to say something just i don't know. i just i'm just surprised to hear

the lack of curiosity about the shooters. motivation i mean, i mean, it's quite apparent this person. had something going on in their life. but do you think there's something going on in there? but that's but that's the point is i mean, in a few of these cases, we don't like the las vegas shooter. i mean, i think that was still a mystery mystery, but in most cases what is going on in this particular shooters, life that caused the chief of police to say, i think they had a resentment about having attended a christian school. yes, i mean, is this is this an anti christian hate crime is no one can is interested in that pump the brakes on the what? because you don't know the religion of the shooter, either. so how do you wanna call it? anti christian? you don't even know, chief said. there is a theory that the shooter had a resentment about going to the school. what was on our air tonight? based on religion or some other factor? your shooter like the shooter is dead. but millions of children are going to school tomorrow. and so it's not that i'm disinterested in what happens to the shooter, but i care more

about what's happening to my kids when they get to the school tomorrow, very interested in that, but then it didn't change anything right knowing that they were disturbed. it didn't end up changing anything. so i've i've changed a little bit and being that interested about the shooter because they do all seem mostly to have mental health issues, and there were precursors, but i want to show you this. this is we are now getting the video, the national police department tonight is releasing the security camera footage of the suspect shooting their way into the school. obviously, we warn you, this will be very disturbing. cnn's carlos torres has more carlos, what have you learned? well alison just a few minutes ago, authorities out here in nashville released about two minutes worth of video showing the 28 year old. the shooter essentially coming into this school here. the video shows the 28 year old shooting out the window of the of the glass door and then eventually making making themselves making the shooter gets inside of the

school. not the surveillance video also goes on to show this shooter walking around. what appears to be a hallway once inside, this school shooter does have this a r style type of weapon. you can see it in the surveillance video. it is important to note here that at no point in the video that was released today, do you see any staff members or any children in it now for a good part of the video, the shooter seems to go inside of one room spends some time there then comes right back out and then is seen once again pointing this weapon making the shooter is then. goes from one room to another, and then eventually passes down one hallway the entire night, really ? the nashville police department has been releasing photos of the scene out here, this front door at the building that was shot out, and so they've been giving us an indication that they were going to release this video. and so just a few minutes ago, they shared that piece of video again. it's about two minutes in

length, and it shows the 28 year old. um getting into the building, which, according to authorities, the shooter had really meticulously planned out . she had a great deal of time and effort it appears have been spent on planning this attack, which they believe was targeted . and so tonight again, alison, we are getting our first look at some surveillance video inside of the school as this shooting was taking place. carlos thank you very much, nicholas. it's obviously so. disturbing person walking around the school looking for children to shoot. it's unbelievable. i mean, i've never seen this kind of imagery of a shooter in a school for you know, i went and picked up my kids the other day. one of them was sick. it looks just like that. i mean, it's just terrifying. i don't know it's horrible. it's horrible. i mean, what? what more can you say about it? it's just so sickening to see that and see how quickly they were able to get into the school by shooting their way through a door. catherine, what did you think watching that yeah

, it's kind of. it's a little surreal, right for everybody. you notice how slowly the shooter's walking around looking for some target because they spend so much time planning. for this event, and once they get there, it's almost, uh there are no hail of bullets, so it's kind of a kind of a letdown. we see that with a lot of shooters. the other thing i noticed there were several rounds that went through the front through the door before she came through the doorway. and then she just got in then? okay. all of that flurry was over. now she's just looking and she spent a long time so i felt like she was looking for someone in particular, not just a student. yeah i'm katherine. thank you very much for your expertise. really? great to have you join us on the panel tonight? thanks so much. panelists thank you very much for all of your thoughts. so the manhattan grand jury investigating former president trump's alleged role in this scheme to pay hush money to the adult film star stormy daniels will they adjourned today without taking a vote on whether or not to indict we'll tell you, who testified today. i

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because there are other cases that they think should go for ourselves. e complaining the two right because he is right right. there are a lot of democrats saying, don't do it, but it's because they want the more substantial case to go through. not this one. but with that being said i don't think it really matters if he did something wrong if he didn't do something wrong, supporters are going to be there for him. they've already proven that i think at this point it's about whether or not the rest of the american people want to see a u. s. president go to jail because it's never happened before. well, i would submit they don't i mean, i would submit that americans don't like to see former presidents go to the polls on this. there are polls on this most recent poll is that i actually more americans than not so 43. of americans, paul versus 34% said. they want to see the president. they believe the president that they should believe donald trump should be indicted and that he should be subject to indictment that that that's the polls so supporters clearly not. but there is a turning tide. i think of public opinion, which believes that he should be held accountable if he breaks the law. to be clear. i

wasn't where i thought what i thought you were saying is a former president. i think it's um i think it's it can be upsetting to the fundamental kind of bedrock of the united states of thinking about that. but donald trump when you put it in the donald trump form, it's different because you know, people don't like there are lots of bedrock. well no, fundamentally, the bedrock of american democracy is that we don't have a king and that no one is above the law, and i actually think it's as american as it gets that if we believe in the principles on which our nation was founded, then everybody should be subject to the same laws and the same rules and everyone should able to be indicted if they break the law. if it's a jury of their peers, as established in the united states constitution finds that there's reasonable cause then they should be, and that's part of what actually that is fundamental to our system also in favor of people getting arrested and indicted if they if the prosecutor thinks it's a crime, here's the other thing. i think people are looking at this in a three d chess way a little too much. you know, it's not

going to help donald trump if he's indicted, and then he's indicted again. and then there's another case later. and are you sure? because he has raised millions of dollars off can raise a lot of money, and he's always going to be raised a lot of money, but i'm sure if you look at his record as a person who's sort of very involved in elections following 2016, he's lost every single one of them, and it's because of a big mess scandal. gross stuff like this, you know suburban voters in the atlanta suburbs are going to look at this and they're gonna look at the other seven scandals between now and whenever they no , no, give us the other guy or the other lady. and here's what one of his supporters and i know that's not who you're talking about. you're talking about suburban swing voters. but here's at the trump rally this weekend. talked about what what? this person thinks would happen if donald trump were indicted on this particular stormy daniels crime. listen to this. she wins 100% if they do that, he'll be issuing a million people are going to vote for them. if they

do, indict them. you're going to get 100 20 million people voting for them. because they're not. they're just you know, you can't take take an honest man down. it doesn't change a thing about his integrity and everything else we all have seen. we all have some things that we've done. your thoughts and all this stuff i dispute the political wisdom of believing that this indictment will deliver 50 million extra modes, although that would be the most amazing program and the history of american politics. the reality is, though the people going to the rally who got in line several hours in advance, i mean, they're right or die. nothing i mean, look, he he has a base of support that it's not going to change. it's going to be there. the only question is whether someone else in the republican party can can consolidate the what i think is over 50% of republicans who who want to do something else. and right now there's one person who is in position to do that, and that's desantis. and he's not there yet. but but that's the thing. analyzing this whole political situation like no

one's going to take those voters that we just showed away from donald trump. nobody the d a ron desantis ones taking him away for what you have to do is consolidate. an anti base. who just thinks it would be better if we did not have a rematch between trump and biden. and you know that's a great strategy because, like 80% of americans are dreading this rematch, and i think that's a message that will sell. let's talk about stormy daniels. i'd love to have a great angle and take on her. what do you think that she has done so effectively? so i wrote a piece for politico today called in the headline really speaks for itself. stormy daniels feminist hero question mark, but i asked the question, actually very seriously, and i really break it down. because when you look at the history of past presidential sex scandals from gary hart to monica lewinsky you know these were women who were forced or chose to remain silent for decades and monica lewinsky's case. she didn't speak publicly for 10 years. rice did not speak publicly for 31 years, and part of it was because they were only

they would only lose in the public eye, and i think what's interesting and different about stormy is that this entire case is about her wanting to speak and her trying to speak. and in fact, you know it starts because you know, in 2011. she tries to sell her story. then she tries again in 2016. pecker strikes his deal with cohen to silence her to pay her off to kill the story. but over and over again, she comes back to try to tell her truth. and she certainly trying to do that every day on twitter, which i got to say she's a master of the medium. if you haven't seen her twitter feed, it is really worth a particular gem. it was magical. i don't think it's appropriate for these airways. somebody tweeted at her. donald trump trump supporter tweeted at her, donald trump wouldn't touch you with a 10 ft pole. and she had a spicy relationship. instead it was it it, it said. it's a three inch pulpit anyway. only ever refers to him on twitter as tiny like she has this incredible ability to use humor and, frankly, her history and her

profession to emasculate him and he, you know his whole persona is built on this macho idea, but it's very it's funny, but it's also really serious because ultimately one of the biggest issues in this country is the silencing of women are in ability to speak out when we've been you know, when we've been when men have tried to silence us, and in this case, she rejects that. and i really walked through in the p is like why that's actually important and that i hope that it actually changes things is uniquely able to do that in a way because she's chosen a life of, you know, let's say no boundaries. other women who might want more traditional lives and not have their sex lives, you know, splashed across all the front pages might feel differently, but i think what she's done is actually really important. and we're at this point, potentially at an indictment. really because of her, so i so agree with you because it's not just about being an adult film star right. it's about being sex positive, and i think part of the reason why women are silenced. it's because culturally. we're not sex positive, but because strawberry danes profession she

is and so you couldn't handcuff her to her sexuality because she celebrates it, and she's rejected all the norms that would have held her back from speaking out publicly and you can say what you will about the industry. i think it can be very expletive of women. i'm not endorsing it, but i am saying that i think in this moment it's worth acknowledging how hard it is to speak out. no matter who you are, where you come from. she's faced threats she's had to hire extra security. it's real stuff for her. and i think we should take her seriously. but i sense you're itching to say something, scott. no i've celebrated entire catalog. it's fine. i don't i mean, i thought you were going to have a question for you. do you think she's a role model for young women? oh tough question. uh i think all young women should have been free to choose whatever life and profession they want. um i think there is something powerful and brave about being willing to confront a bully who tries to silence you. no matter what you do, no matter what. your profession. i don't care who you are. where you come from. every woman should have that. right. thank you all very much. now to this

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and city blocks. you can see the aftermath on your screen, meteorologists warned. more dangerous weather could be on the way. so joining me right now we have cnn chief climate correspondent bill were and my panel is back as well. so bill there have been 296 tornado reports this year alone. that's the highest in six years. i think we have some, um, satellite imagery of before enrolling fork, mississippi and after enrolling fork, and so can we say, conclusively? this is climate change. you can't when it comes to science, the confidence of scientists who study this stuff. tornadoes are way down on the confidence list because you can watch a hurricane for a couple of weeks. a tornado touches down for 30 seconds or a few minutes. the historical record is really sketchy, but a tornado loves warm, moist air. we got a lot more of that these days. it likes in predictable shifting winds. we've got a lot more of that happening. and so yeah, the numbers are going up, and also it's all about sort of like what they say about real estate. it's

location, location, location. you can have a lot of tornadoes in an unpopulated area and the numbers don't look that bad, but they seem to be over time. the tornado belt that i grew up in. i went to high school in oklahoma and texas for a bit. is shifting east. it's moving across the mississippi river, so you're seeing a lot more in the southeast. that's strange, but, yeah, i mean, we just live on a much more unpredictable planet these days. i'm guessing you have some tornado experience. well, i'm from dawson springs, kentucky, where the tornadoes hit. um not this past december, but the one before last, you know, every home that jennings ever lived in was destroyed by a tornado there. my dad's house was destroyed, and, uh, the house he grew up in his parents' house was destroyed and his entire street virtually another rebuilding and coming back. but it was. it was the first time anyone there could remember a tornado. there's always warnings and watches but like in terms of actual destruction and i think it took out like three quarters of the houses, and it's sort of cut a swath from, you know, far western kentucky all the way

through, uh, up up heading east into, you know, into central rebuild after that, you don't think about leaving my dad left. actually you know, he decided not to rebuild now his neighbor who he sold his lot to, they did rebuild and a lot of people are rebuilding and they're trying to come back. but some people didn't make that choice. you know, my dad's on up there and he's semi retired. so he had that, but you know, some people have young families and that's their home and they want to raise their kids. they're so these these dessert when i saw the pictures from mississippi, it it reminded me an awful lot of what i saw on the ground and informed the way he rebuilt. you know, stronger, more resilient. can you afford that sort of thing? well just financially. truthfully what he ended up getting out of it was not near enough to rebuild the house that he owned and i, you know, i don't know everybody's individual financial positions, but but he just decided that he was gonna do something else for a while. and uh and, uh, you know, try something out at the later stages of his life. but you know, a lot of people don't

have that luxury. exactly and they're stuck where they are and so something like this happens. it's not an incident rebuild, either. if you go to these places that are destroyed. like in western kentucky, and you can definitely tell there's still still working on it for our communities that have suffered the worst of climate change. i mean, you look at what happened in texas in terms of like the massive power outages and droughts and communities and fires and carrot, california you know, all across the world. what you see is that is often folks who really can't afford the worst of the impacts of extreme weather events who are most harmed by it and most displaced by it and different from folks on the coast. the outer banks. you can see a beach house going, you know, maybe you don't rebuild their you don't make that calculation if you live in kentucky or mississippi, keep moving. is the tornado alley going to keep going to the east and the south east? should people in atlanta be like? yeah. who knows? who knows? i mean, they're figuring all this out. the tornado season is getting longer. it seems to be getting

more a little bit of that, but also more intensive events clustered together on the same day, so more bad days is a good way to think about it. thank you for all of that, for more information on how you can help the victims of the deadly tornado and the severe storms that swept through mississippi, you can go to cnn dot com slash impact. all right, so just ahead . of course you've heard about the reparations debate in san francisco. well, one city has already passed the reparations program. that's edmonston, illinois. not everybody is happy about it. we'll explain what's happening there next. out here. you're more than just a landowner. you're a gardener. landscape er hunter. because you didn't settle for ordinary same goes for your equipment. versatile powerful durable taboada equipment more goes into it, so you get more out of it.

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already passed the reparations program and started distributing funds. evanston's illinois says it had planned to award $25,000 in reparations to eligible residents. but so far five years later, after they had passed this plan, the city has only spent a little more than $300,000 of the 10 million that they had promised in 2019 panel is back with me. so this is interesting. evanston's illinois decided that they wanted to do this. it was going to be $25,000 in housing grants. but now tonight just tonight they were talking about whether they should change it to $25,000 cash payment to every eligible black resident. that has tax repercussions, so the housing grants made more sense for some people, and yet they have been talking about this l z since 2019. so not only is it a controversial and complicated topic to discuss the devil's in the details, i mean, even in illinois that wants to do this

is having a hard time so far only of 650 black residents who have applied in everson 16. have received the money of them. that 16 of them. um i used to be an adjunct at northwestern university. so evanston's is a is a piece of chicago that i think finally of, and so it doesn't surprise me at all that they would want to try to do this. the execution of the clumsiness of it doesn't surprise me that because it is a complicated conversation, but it's not a new conversation conversation that started hundreds of years ago to be quite honest with you because former slave owners they got their reparations, so it's not as if this is a new word. it's not as a government hasn't done this multiple times already. they just haven't done it for the people who actually deserve and earned the reparations. yet that's the difference. thoughts reparations ever since i read tallahassee coats is big atlantic article. i think it took up the whole issue that one time i was like, whoa. i mean, it was a mind blower, and just for people who don't know exactly why anybody would kind of check like that. yeah, i mean, it's about you read that article. it's like, okay. people

in america build wealth by owning homes. they take that that's their equity. they pass it on. that's the loan that they used to fund things. that's how kids get go to college. even kids getting alone to go to college. you know, black families and that in that part of the country and all over this country didn't get that opportunity had to live in different neighborhoods. they couldn't get in there. and so it's not to do with slavery. it's to do with that. and so you know, logically, you look at it like that makes a lot of sense. it's always going to be very unpopular. i mean, it's very difficult. politics depends when you ask people want it. sure yeah, we talked about how it's a democracy before and at the end of the day. it's one of these very divisive issues. and people just kind of recoil from it. you know, you can go in and make the case and then people like uh, well, and you know, it's just very that is. why do i think it's so divisive, so dramatically unpopular? i looked at that. i looked at that stat and said that they had $10 million and it's 300,000 going out and it's just sort of reminds me. you know, it's a very small thing, but it reminds me that like social programs get

very popular when they're not means tested when they're not for one group of people were there for everybody. and then you know you look at social security. obviously it's very popular. you can, but this is for everybody. and that's the part you to answer your question. the reason why it's not popular with white people because actually just mentioned the post show is popular with black people. um it's because the history there's some gaps there. in terms of understanding what the impact of slavery actually was. we made a joke about the wall street journal. there will be no wall street without black people. but a lot of americans don't know that part of the history don't understand how important slavery was to financing banks the early days of this country, and so when people don't have this information, and they hear reparations, they think it's a handout with no, actually it's a delayed check, and there's a clip. anyone can go and google it. dr martin luther king jr eloquently describes why reparations is important, and he talked about how this government helped white. okay? immigrants move west gave him land built colleges help them understand how to till the land and actually grow and take care of themselves. but when it came to

actual black people being released from from slavery, we weren't given anything. you don't even have to go back. you don't even have to go far that far back because redlining and housing discrimination was rampant in this country well into the 19 eighties and in very diverse parts of the country that you wouldn't expect chevy chase maryland outside of washington, d. c. a place i grew up was established. as a white enclave in the articles of incorporation for the town. they did not change that until 1988. i grew up a block away and so like for families who have not only been excluded, but actually were, in many cases, they've had homes, real estate etcetera taken without compensation. there are cases in california of oceanfront property that were owned by black families that were essentially just taken and they were never given. any american dream is owning your home and then you get that and then you can use that in all sorts of ways. finance actually, people were barred from doing that in a way that i want to get scott and i know you're skeptical of this. i mean, i think the reason it is so

dramatically unpopular. you're correct about that is because most people think it's fundamentally unfair and believe it's divisive and believe it's not the correct way for the country to atone for the issues that i think you have correctly describe. i think you're 100% right about the history of this country. but the people that are living today i don't feel like they're responsible for things that people did decades or hundreds of years ago. that's the right way to return. well i think i think this country has made massive strides in race relations over the last 100. that's not funny. financially i told you last week. i don't. i'm not. i don't believe any reparations program is ever going to be popular enough to be politically viable because most people don't think it is the correct way of saying most saying most people when you know what we're talking about. because i can read a poll, can you? yeah, i can read a poll. yeah, but when you say most people you make it sound as if there's not some variations there. that's very easily identifiable and i went back and i've done some research in terms

of gallup polls and it's very clear. there's a racial divide on this conversation. and so when you say most people, but you really mean it's like a lot of white people. and so let's be honest about this conversation about so let's let's let's be honest about what kind of country we live in. we all live here together. yes, we don't make decisions based on one race gets to decide what to do to the other race or vice versa. we all make decisions together as americans as americans start, and so when you when you're talking about, well, one race because we just talked about something happened when did that start work? just curious. when did that start? this utopia that you just presented with rates wasn't an impact in terms of people's lives. i want to come curious. when did i start in this country didn't describe america as a utopia. but right now, what did you say? what would she say earlier? but you're you seem to believe that in this country based on race, we should have people of a certain race making policy decisions for everyone else. do you think that's how the majority of congress so that's actually the objective? reality is the election. that's alright

. that's the order. i don't know. i think it's interesting. scott where you were saying that you do think that there needs to be an atonement. but wow is trying to fit levinson is trying to do that. the united states of america hasn't made dramatic strides. questions are different. that's not the question this country question is about financial report about the financial impact of policy tone mint looks to you. if it's not tied to finances. then what does it look like to you period mean? i think that this country needs to provide equality. to every single american citizen platitude specific. it's not a planet. it's a deeply held value for me and most americans value . how does that value play out legislatively? what is that look like? because winston has something that's on paper that they're trying to execute. so your world in terms of atonement . i'm just curious. what does that look like? legislative grand total of a whopping 16 people were able to take part in this fantastic idea about your

sense of atonement. if it's not going to be financial, then what do you think should be executed in order to reach this equality that you talk about just told you that this country and its government ought to provide every american citizen equal opportunity to succeed. but you heard what nicholas said about how for that has in terms of a generational wealth and the accumulation of generational wealth that hasn't happened. and so wouldn't it be helpful to be very specific having this series brand would it be helpful? to just redistribute all the wealth. is that what you're arguing for the same thing? helping your your gaslighting the conversation that's actually really legitimate, but everybody at this table is for redistributing. no no hold on a second, except for me, and i'm the only one in the majority of any survey. any survey. it's not even clues. that's not fair, but that you made a really important point. i think, which is about what americans do and don't understand about what's actually happened and that is at the core. what the reparations conversation has always bad, which is that we have been and we are having this conversation

every week about how much of our history now we're trying to erase from school curriculums, etcetera. the fact is, is that african americans have been systemically consistently excluded from the ability to build wealth for decades, and there should be a serious conversation about what that means for them, and about what, how we solve that problem, not just with platitudes. chelsea's point, but with policy on that note, thank you all for this conversation, and we'll be right back. future i is here. we've bn creating it for more than 100 years. putting the most advanced technology into people's hands. generation after generation. tool after tool. again. and again, bringing you the broadest and most reliable network of service dealers always moving forward. others follow the earth

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