almost certainly going to go onto the statute book is likely to be enacted by the end of the year. the unions have called for dialogue with the government. the governments agreed to that, but not to any kind of discussion about a u turn. so ultimately then the only option available to certainly the very hard line opposition here is the sort of street protests and demonstrations that we can see here, abby. it continues to be a pretty volatile situation on the streets there of paris on a spring evening here, sam kiley, thank you very much. and thank you for joining us on inside politics. alex marquardt is picking up our coverage right now. hello i'm alex marquardt in washington. thank you so much for joining us today, 14 minutes of terror and six lives stolen inside an elementary school. we now have more information about

what happened during the mass shooting at covenant school, that private christian school in nashville, tennessee, chilling security camera footage which you see right there, showing the attacker 20, who was 28 year old former student. name audrey hale , stalking the hallways armed with an assault rifle and two other firearms. that was just yesterday. police body cam video has also just been released, showing hail engaging with law enforcement. hale was killed in that shootout. we have to warn you that some may find this footage disturbing. take a look. just an update is going to be first four million lobby. well i'm making injury on the front side. yeah. that we don't know where they are. okay? yes, ma'am.

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police showing how quick and intense that response was, but it was not fast enough to save the six victims who were shot by audrey hale. they are 39 year olds and three adults, including the head of covenant school, and with those tragic deaths that means more than 400 children have now been shot dead in america so far this year, 420 23. we are expecting an update from nashville police in just a few minutes. that is where we find cnn's emery walker, who is live on the scene, amara the grief in these communities following these mass shootings, particularly when they take the lives of such young children, it really is overwhelming. what are we learning about those six victims? it's overwhelming, alex . it's definitely palpable here . you know the families of the six victims. they're never going to be the same again and let's talk about these victims. for a moment. we now have a photo of

nine year old evelyn dick house who died in this mass shooting at her school. reportedly she has an older sister, and she was quoted in the tennessee in at a prayer vigil last night. saying that i don't want to be an only child again. this is a sister of this young girl who was killed yesterday. evelyn dick house in this school shooting. nine year old halle scruggs also killed. she was the daughter of the lead pastor here, covenant presbyterian school. there she is, it's more of an updated photo than we've been seeing for much of the day. also killed nine year old william kenny. 60 year old katherine coons. she was the head of school. we spoke with a friend of hers, who said they were friends for 15 years, and she texted her yesterday morning as soon as you heard that there was a shooting hair and she never heard back and when she went to the reunification center and didn't see her friend, the head of the

school at that location. which she should have been there, she realized that something was terribly wrong. 61 year old cynthia peak, she was a substitute teacher and 61 year old mike hill, who was a custodian of the school. alex you talk about the grief in this community, and i tell you we can feel it. when you look behind me here. there's a makeshift memorial that has been growing throughout the day and all morning and day long. we have seen people strangers, people from the community coming with teddy bears and flowers. there was also a small group of elderly people who walked over from a senior center just right next door to the school that brookdale assisted living center. they came with their walkers walk slowly. many of them crying. and, uh, they said that they fell in love with his children because they were coming as elementary school students every year during the holidays to sing to them. i want you to listen to what one woman

101 year old elderly woman said about what she was feeling when she arrived. here. listen. can i ask you what's on your heart right now, particularly i can't tell you. i just feel so for them face people there, but i love them all. good thank you. but i'm not. but i know god is with them. yeah so, and the irony and all this to um you know, this is 101 year old woman who said she is about to turn 102. and she is visiting and honoring the lives of nine year old children, along with their adult counterparts. but yes, a very sad day and a day that people are still trying to process just what happened yesterday. alex. just so heartbreaking to see those young

faces those innocent children camera. as i noted, we are expecting to hear from the police and just about seven minutes time, at least that's what's being scheduled. we know that, of course, they are working to determine the motive that what drove audrey hale to carry out this horrific attack, but they have said that the attack was meticulously planned. that is correct, and hopefully the expectation is that we'll learn more about this planning. apparently maps were drawn out by the shooter. this is, according to memphis, tennessee nashville police and that there were several writings found inside the shooter's car as well. that basically detailed plans for this shooting, so that is what we're expecting to hear about. i also want to show you, um, surveillance video from outside and inside the school when the shooting happened on monday, and what you see is the

shooter. driving up. to hunt a gray honda fit. you can't see from the vantage point the way that we edited it. but from some angles what you'll see our children playing in the background as a shooter is parking in the parking lot of the covenant school. and then you see the shooter using a rifle to shoot the glass doors of the side entrance. kicking out the glass climbing through the chute is wearing a red hat. there. you see the shooting, you see a red hat, the shooter's wearing camouflage pants walking around the hallways with this huge rifle and pointing it in a few directions before um, the shooter walks off camera, so you know, just it's unimaginable to think about what transpired in those few minutes. but again right now, the focus is the motive. alex trying to figure out you know what possessed this person to do such a heinous thing? and maybe we will get

some indication and just a few minutes when police provide an update, we know it will be listening very carefully, admiral. we will get back to you as soon as that happens, walker. thank you. for all your terrific reporting on this very, very difficult story. emery walker in nashville, tennessee. we're joined now by a nashville council member at large. sharon hurt councilwoman. first of all, i just want to send my condolences to you and to the community. we certainly know how difficult these circumstances are. we thank you so much for joining us today. under the circumstances, it has been just over 24 hours since the shooting took place. i just want to ask you first of all, how is the community faring? okay? barely it's been, uh, mixed emotions are over the place. everyone is sad. everyone is angry. enough is enough. we've got to do something. those are the cries

i've heard from constituents who are neighbors of some of the little kids, saying how they would hear the squeals and the labs out, especially during this time of easter, and they had easter and constant now. they will not hear them and like some of those at the senior facility that you interviewed earlier. these are their neighbors, those that they loved and who loved them the heart of the matter is that we've got to have better gun laws. you know, i heard from some of my sorority sisters who are indies where i just left on yesterday, right before coming to bring unification center, and they said they met with congressman ogles, and he's saying that it's mental health issues. that created this? no the gun did not have any idea that someone with a mental

health issue was behind the trigger. i think the combination is a disastrous tragic outcome. as we witnessed on yesterday. we must have a national ban on assault weapons. the urgency is here. how many more people must die? council member sharon hurt . certainly we hope that that conversation takes place. i apologize. we do have to leave it there. we have some breaking news. our condolences again. our thoughts are certainly with your community in this moment of grief, and as you try to recover , council member sharon hurt. thank you for joining us. thank you is cnn breaking news? breaking news. a judge has just ordered former vice president mike pence to testify before a federal grand jury that is

related to the special counsel's january 6th investigation. let's get straight to our reporter, cnn's katelyn polantz. well i'm just learning from a source that mike pence. the former vice president does have to testify to the grand jury investigating january 6th federal grand jury in washington, d. c not only does he have to testify, but he will have to testify about conversations he had with donald trump himself leading up to january 6th. so that crucial piece of information that the justice department has sought and that pence has sort of divulged in his public speeches and in his book previously but that the grand jury has not heard about yet. the conversations before january 6th when donald trump and mike pence were on the phone, one on one, and donald trump apparently was berating him, calling him names that sort of thing in this criminal investigation. he is gonna have to share that now we have confirmed to that this ruling came down yesterday in

the d. c district court from the new chief judge, jeb boasberg. he also shot down donald trump's arguments that the conversation should be protected because of presidential secrecy. executive privilege so trump lost in this court fight and pence does have to testify about some of these things. but pence also got a little bit of a win himself in that this judge decided that mike pence as the vice president should have some protection about his around his work on january 6th when he says he was operating as somebody is part of congress as the vice president, the presiding officer over the senate, so he doesn't know necessarily have to testify about what happened on january 6th itself. but those crucial questions about what happened before that date and what happened between him and trump. this judge says he is going to have to share that. of course he could appeal, but this is a major ruling in the special counsel investigation. katelyn polantz this for jack

smith, a special counsel. it's another victory for special counsel jack smith. he has gotten locked up testimony from mike pence's top aides, he has gotten many, many rulings in his favor where donald trump has tried to block answers before this grand jury. i mean, this is a really crucial one, because in a lot of ways, mike pence is one of the ultimate victims on january 6th. and so what his interactions were with trump could be quite important to criminal case. if that is what the grand jury is investigating right now. so alex, it is quite serious. it also is quite serious that the courts are diving into this question of what is the vice president. does he get the protections of congress and it looks like there is a ruling there. we'll have to see if the appeals court firms up any of the law around that, though alex special counsel, of course, also carrying out a simultaneous investigation on the classified documents proceeding quietly but quickly,

it seems and as katelyn polantz . katelyn polantz terrific reporting, we'll get back to you. thank you so much. with me now is cnn anchor and senior legal analyst laura coates and cnn senior political analyst gloria borger. laura i want to go to you first your reaction to this ruling extraordinary. we have the former vice president of united states having to testify in the grand jury against the person that he served under the former president donald trump. remember, he has been thinking that he may have to use for quite some time. let's delineate two things here, alex. on the one hand, it's his role as the president of the senate. the vice president. so what he's talking about on the floor as a member of the senate, so to speak, and that capacity is not part of this inquiry. what is relevant? here is what trump may have said to him prior to january, 6th did he acknowledge that he had lost the election? did he seek to try to block certification? what specifically ? did he say? was there anything

threatening? what were the terms that he wanted him penned to abide by what steps were actually taken to try to disrupt the peaceful transit transfer of power in our american democracy , all of this extremely relevant and yet another defeat. remember you've got former attorneysthe f power in our american democracy , all of this extremely relevant and yet another defeat. remember you've got former attorneys and current attorneys of trump, who have been asked to testify in the grand jury. a federal grand jury. now you've got somebody who was the second in command, who, of course, was threatened on january 6th, who was a bit of a hero for so many on that day for standing true now having to testify about things that the president said to him. this is an extraordinary moment in american history. and gloria pence's in an interesting position. he was subpoenaed. he defied the subpoena. he has the same time been critical of

president donald trump and his actions around january. 6th pence, of course, was in the capital. so what was the pence thinking here in and not in resisting having to testify? well in conversations that i've had. i think that the people who are close to pants sort of assumed at some point, he would have to testify about something and it's katelyn polantz. ations uh, you know, between donald trump and mike pence before january. 6th are very important because what they're trying to find out is any instances in which donald trump may have acted corruptly whether he spoke with mike pence about trying to overturn the election, for example, his lower was saying whether he actually admitted to his vice president at any point that he knew that he had lost the election. and you know, in

mike pence's book he wrote about a private launch 13 days after the election, in which he told donald trump that he should just accept defeat and go on and think about, perhaps running again. i think they're going to want to flush that out about whether donald trump actually indicated to him that he knew. that he had been defeated. so this is very, very important. when you talk about the insurrection and how they might want to build a case against the former president and whether he incited an insurrection, knowing full well that he had lost an election. and laura, this does come on the heels of this judge brooke also ordering other top aides, including chief of staff mark meadows to testify in this very same case. i correct me if i'm wrong, but i think there's a sense that the classified documents investigation is nearing its end, while jack smith's other investigations into january 6th might not be as

far along, but what does this tell us about where this investigation stands? well you can imagine almost the idea about a boa constrictor going around its particular victim because it's tightening around the former president of the united states were almost color coding the various investigations surrounding donald trump at this point in time, and now you have the loss of privilege of the executive privilege level. the attorney client privilege has now been pearson a variety of ways and then you've got this idea of a probably more clear cut case about the classified documents. it's a finite universe, you know. when they were supposed to be handed over. you know that they were not handed over. he has admitted to not wanting to do so, and it's provided some justification in his mind that is not really viable as to why it can retain them. that's a little bit more open and shut. either you handed him over, or you did not. either you had your attorney do something to feria sor you did not the january 6th one, as we all know, is a much more comprehensive and complex case to look at. it involves

whether or not he gave a virtual code red. was there a conspiracy? he was there a seditious action by a former president, united states at the time, he was the president, so it would make sense. if the jackson my special counsel is to essentially complete one investigation that's far less complex and then continue to build on the next one simultaneously. and i bet, which is a very quickly interrupt lauren. gloria we have to leave her there right now. we are hearing from the metropolitan police department in nashville. let's listen in. there are those who think that specific individuals were targeted by the shooter. who entered the building on monday. we have no evidence that individuals were specifically targeted. this school, this church building. was a target of the shooter, but we have no information at present to indicate that the shooter was specifically targeting any one of the six individuals. who were murdered.

chief john drake will now update you on the progress of the investigation overnight and this morning, including what we know about the individuals purchases of firearms over the past couple of years. again this will be a brief briefing today. chief john drake. good afternoon, everyone. thank you again for being here. just a brief update of what we know. right now. we've interviewed the parents of audrey hale, and we've determined that audrey boat seven firearms. from five different local gun stores here legally. ah they were legally purchased. three of those weapons were used yesterday during this horrific tragedy. that happened. we know that they

felt that she had one weapon and that she sold it. she was under care. doctors care for an emotional disorder. ah law enforcement knew nothing about the treatment she was receiving. about her parents felt that she should not own weapons. they were under the impression that was when she sold the one weapon that she did not own any more. as it turned out, she had been hiding several weapons within the house. we also i don't have a motive at this time. we feel that the students that were targeted were randomly targeted. there was not any particular student that they were that she was looking for at the time of the incident. and that's what we know as i speak, and we'll take any questions that you have manifesto manifesto manifesto. there's several different

writings about other locations. there were locations there was talks about the school. there was a map. other school drawing of how potentially she would enter and salts that would take place. that's it's quite a bit of writing to it. i have not read the whole entire manifesto . our team and the fbi has been working on this where exactly the victims were located. you mentioned the common area but where they all together the students and the adults at the same time. where were they in the building, so they were spread out in different locations and when i went into the actual church, the kids had already been transported to the hospital. also two of the adults date. see the head. ah school person. and she was in the hallway by the office. and so only one they will spread out

wasn't in one common area, but they were spread out. chief chief response in terms of targeting other buildings. other places there was some writings in the manifesto about other locations, but as far as it's been an actual target, i can't confirm that at this time about the children and the people who were targeted one at a time walker with cnn just about the six victims who were killed. where exactly were they? you know where they walking through the hallways when this happened, and i also, um heard peripherally that perhaps the head of the school may have ran towards the, um, the god of the shooter. it's very possible to head of the school could have done that. i can't confirm that one way. the other. i do know she was in the hallway by ourselves. there was a confrontation. i'm sure entailed the way she was laying in the hallway. there was the custodian african american and she shot through the door to enter. she

sprayed rounds through the glass striking him. you could see where he came to rest. as far as others, they will just spread out in different locations. confrontation that you said between the confrontation, but they were met, she met the head person in the hallway. this man right here. thank you, chief. you mentioned the guns, the multiple guns and that the shooter was under the care of a doctor. is there any law in this state that would have allowed police to take those guns away from this person had been reported if it had been reported. there's not a law for that. but had it been reported that she was suicidal? or whether she was going to kill someone and had been made known to us then we would have tried to get those weapons. but as it stands, we had absolutely no idea actually who this person was that she even existed. so can you talk a little bit about the time? what else did the parents say that they expect anything like this to happen? so we know yesterday the, uh miss

hill was leaving out of the residents. she had a red bag. they asked her what was in the red bag, and i think she gets dismissed it because it was a motherly thing, and i didn't look in the back because at the time she didn't know that her daughter had any weapons and didn't think any differently. um again. they lost the child, so it's very traumatic for the body. cam first. could you talk about the police response? i know they engaged the shooter. pretty quickly once they got to the school, but can you talk about the events that led up from when they got the call? what time did they arrive at the school? and could you talk about that? at that time he hears about maybe, like 14 minutes or so. so they got the call at 10 13 and about 10 24. they had engaged the suspect. as they arrived on the property. there were police cars been hit by

gunfire. the suspect was in the upper level. we believe there has been some training have been able to shoot from a higher level. and her gunfire from the video i've seen she stood away from the glass so she wouldn't be an easy target to be shot. but as officers were ah, approaching the building, there was gunfire going on. they went in. they went through, um, door by door as we clear buildings. they heard gunfire. n immediately ran to that and then took care of the this horrible situation. and how long did it take officers to actually get to the school initially from when the first call came in from the time it went out from 10 13 to 10 24. it was over the exact time of arrival time. i'm not sure i know that myself. i ran emergency and as i got there. they were coming out bloody and all kinds of things were happening, so i barely missed

being able or being there to go in as well. so it was really quick response. and i think you would next. so i was just going to ask you about the two officers whose body can we've seen this morning? have they ever been faced in a situation like that before? to my knowledge. i do not remember if those tube in particular have been in that situation. also, collazo has worked as a paramedic with the swat team, so i'm sure he's had some type of weapons training. um i was really impressed that would all that was going on. the danger that somebody took control and said, let's go. let's go. let's go and win in and took care and just try to end this situation. but as far as being in this before, i'm not sure you sir, a friend of the family's has reported in front of the hill families reportedly said that audrey was artistic. can you speak to that if you know if that's in fact true. i can't

confirm that i've heard that, but i can't confirm if that's true or not. one more question. one more question, and we're gonna stop one more hour. they faring today. 24 hours on. indication of the significance of yesterday why the shooter may have done this yesterday. and also do you have anything that could indicate whether the school is targeted for religious reasons. have i can't confirm either. not sure if that we're approaching holy period easter and all of that. i can't confirm any of that. do not know. um and so why she targeted that particular church? we do know she was a student at that. ah, at that church at one point but unsure right now, that was the reason why i think you will take one more officers there. how they feeling today? 24 hours on , so i talked to them earlier and they're trying to decompress trying to make sense of all of

this. um i talked to president biden. he's going to reach out and talk to them as well, um, that just trying to do whatever they can with their families, and just kind of remove themselves from all it is. thank you all very much. thank you. thank you for a significant update there from metropolitan police department's chief john drake in nashville, tennessee. we just learned that the shooter at that school shooting 28 year old audrey hale was under a doctor's care, according to the chief for what he called an emotional disorder. ah her the audrey's parents did not think, according to the police chief that that audrey should have weapons. i want to bring our legal analyst laura coates back in with us. laura this update from chief john drake. really, quite remarkable. he said that audrey hale had some seven firearms. that had been bought at five different stores legally

now we did know yesterday. i'm going to go back to this press conference. laura, stay with me. alright never mind that appears to be over. but laura there there is no law in tennessee that would have, according to the police chief, had these guns taken away from audrey hale, despite the fact that hale was under a doctor's care, so this will i imagine prompt another conversation about red flag laws. it will and as it should, as we continue to think about the constraints are and what the law enforcement community needs to be armed with relatively speaking in order to deter crimes like this. he also noted that the parents believe that perhaps she was impression of only one weapon and that it had been returned or given away or sold in some capacity piercing here because we're used to. unfortunately the tragedy that happened in michigan not too long ago with mr crumbly his

parents charged with involuntary manslaughter. his parents charged for the responsibility of what he had done in his school shooting. that's quite a precedent thinking about this. we're talking about the parents here, not a minor child. that's very significant here. this is 28 year old person who lived with her parents, and we know that there was some connection in terms of obviously the living arrangement. but the same legal requirements we would normally have for somebody who is a minor in the care of adults will likely be different. red flag laws more broadly, are intended to alert authorities that somebody poses an extraordinary risk to themselves or other people, and there is a period of time when a gun is removed or not able to have weapons to protect themselves and allow a kind of due process to unfold to determine whether the person is an ongoing threat to the community going forward, and so in this instance, if she was not known to law enforcement if there was not any because a bridge between the police the medical care issues receiving two then that period that gray

area is going to likely be the biggest talking point about how can one deter if they do not know, but ultimately, alex, this tragedy that has happened the idea of listening to yet another police chief. talk about the reaction time the response time and the lives of nine year olds and though, and three adults who were there as well, i mean, i'm a mom of an eight year old and a 10 year old have to try to explain to my children gun laws in america why they have safety drills at their school that police officers following you, baldy will respond. to have to describe them. the second amendment and the heller decision and all sorts of nuance doesn't do a whole lot to make our children or the parents of this world feel very safe, but red flag laws are continuously debated in the era of well, does it deprive somebody of the right that they have to have weapons, a notice and opportunity to be heard, and that factor really looms very large here. and that

conversation that you're having with your children is certainly one that millions of american parents are having all across the country today. laura stay with me. i do want to bring in rmr walker, who was at that press conference in nashville, tennessee, amra. it's clear that the police in nashville are still grappling with the question of a motive. the police chief saying there that they school was targeted. but that individuals were not. that's correct. and i do want to mention you know, just seeing chief john drake. you could see just in his eyes how emotionally depleted he is, and this is obviously something that has impacted him greatly along with his officers, who he has said in interviews this morning that even his officers are questioning if they can continue to work in this line of work. so some of the headlines from this news conference. i mean, the fact that uh, this shooter had bought seven firearms all legally. three of those firearms were used in this school

shooting here at covenant school , but they were all purchased legally and locally at several different stores here in the nashville area, and you heard there from chief john drake that they interviewed the parents. they did reveal that audrey hale had some emotional disorder. he wasn't sure if it was autism. that's errantly. one reporter asked about but had some kind of emotional disorder, and i don't want to obviously equipped autism, too emotional disorders, but that's what was asked about and he said. he wasn't sure about that. but, um chief john drake also mentioned that even if audrey hale or reported in terms of her mental fitness or emotional disorder, were there any laws in tennessee that would have prevented her and that's how the chief referred to audrey hale as a herd because again, you know, there have been questions about you know how the shooter identified. um chief john drake said that there are

no laws currently knows of that would have prevented her from purchasing. all of these guns were also really stuck out was the fact that the mother saw audrey hale leaving the house on monday morning with the bag. clearly there were weapons and ammunition inside. the mother didn't stop to open the bag. the mother did ask audrey hale. what's in that bag? and she basically kind of, you know, said there's nothing in here dismissed it. told police that she didn't know her daughter had weapons inside and let her go off to wherever she was head. and obviously that was here to the covenant school, where six lives were just horrifically taken. alex the chief, they're saying that the parents thought that that audrey had sold the guns because i believe one weapon had been sold, but but audrey had bought seven of them legally. at five different stores. three were used in

yesterday's attack, and amra, the police chief there. talking about what was in audrey's writings, saying that the school was targeted. but audrey did talk about other locations. but it wasn't clear. it seems to the police that those were other targets as well. that's correct . so the other thing and i'm glad you mentioned this. alex is that we didn't learn more about any kind of motive. and so in these writings, apparently it was more of a technical document where the shooter was kind of planning, which targets would be feasible in this person's mind, um, and had mapped out literally drew out the maps of at least this school here, so in terms of the motive. we haven't learned much we don't know again. what we do know that none of these individuals were specifically targeted. perhaps it was the

building or the school that was specifically targeted. and we don't know if the shooter had some kind of grievance against the church or the school or the staff or the people inside. but all in all the big picture here is that you have this shooter who had a history of some kind of emotional or mental disorder that the parents had known about . um apparently, that wasn't reported, and still, ah. audrey hale was able to purchase seven guns, seven weapons i should say all legally in this area, and i think you know, obviously this is the time that our country is going through this soul searching phase again, alex. it certainly is aymara, the police chief. they're calling it an emotional disorder. not going to any sort of detail. amorous. stay with us. i want to bring back in laura coates on this question of the motive. laura you heard there? um ra talking about how how the police chief making clear that they're still

looking into this motive and they they have learned a lot and they have shared a lot in the past 24 hours. they have spoken to audrey's parents. they have read audrey's writings. how much more can they do to try to get at this question of motive? well they could certainly look into social media. they could look into things that are not the tangible writings but through documents it might be found on her computer documents or correspondence to different people. there might be a social circle or network that she is involved in trying to figure out if she gave warning to somebody else if she was egged on by someone else did she act alone and the planning of any of this was there somebody who conspired or could have prevented we're talking a lot about the red flag laws or the absence thereof. for what her parents may have been able to see the police investigation. now we'll look at whether this was truly foreseeable. what can they look to figure out and i just want to take a step back here. every time we talk about motive, we do

not use that term anonymously with justification. there is no justification for what has happened. but the motive is what the police officers and investigators will look at as a kind of forward thinking. deterrence what can we learn from what's happened here to either create laws or create new law enforcement protocol or to create some nuance and the law to be able well to prosecute or to prevent these actions from happening in the future. so i want to be clear. whenever people hear that term. there is a very big cringe factor as we look for a motive, because people think it's somehow would mean you feel better about what's happened. we will not, but what it can do is be used proactively by law enforcement and the greater legal and legislative community to try to prevent it from happening again. there is still so much to be learned whether it will be acted upon is another question. laura

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you view what netanyahu did yesterday in terms of backing down. is that a victory even if it's just temporary. it's a major victory for the protest. there were half a million people . it's about 10% of the population of israel. and kind of equivalent on 150 or more millions in america in the streets in order to block the last moment, and netanyahu basically capitulate the last moment, but that doesn't mean that he gave up his intention. you might try to take the steam of the winds out of the sayings of the protest and review mu somewhere in the early summer to resume the effort once again, but we will be on lived festive . all the inner core of protests will continue, even while the negotiations taking place and will resume full volume the moment he will try. any step

towards loud a family of democracy. and how much do you think that the prime minister risked his fragile coalition? he is, of course, aligned right now , with far right parties that gave him the prime minister ship . they are not in any real mood for compromise. so as president , prime minister netanyahu kicks this can down the road. how much do you think he is losing power ? and does he stand a chance of losing his position as prime minister? he loved a lot of popular support in favorability numbers is in a threefold. and he loved the trust of the leading groups in every way of life in israel from the economists, uh, leaders of the industry leaders of fighter can for sure within the defense forces and intelligence community where there is basically during a part of the

whole result. extent volunteering system. so you found himself compelled. they cannot influence the economy you cannot influence is reservists. uh fighting force of israeli in time between walls and he probably will hold somehow to his coalition because each one of the worst certain interest but he will end up much weaker but still alive and kicking every try to resume this effort, which the supreme court chief decide defined, as she said, it's not the reform its attempt to crush the independence of the supreme court and to push israel out of the family of democratic nation. we are not going to be there. we are not holding that conduit. you did mention the intelligence community. you, of course, are a former defense minister. i want to read our viewers a little bit of what the

head of the israeli military said the chief of staff, he said. this hour is different to any that we have known before. we have not known such days of external threats coalescing while a storm is brewing at home , mr brooke, what are you hearing from your former military and intelligence colleagues about the security threat to israel. hold it. the these erode a in the middle east is a tough neighborhood. is there nothing? nothing to compare with the midwest. and we have a lot of fair neighbors looking into our weaknesses. uh two days ago, the minister of defense nominated just leave three months ago, is a ranking generally in his path. he asked the prime minister to bring together the cabinet, the inner cabinet of the government to discuss what he defined as immediate and the parent sweat to our nation of security. netanyahu in unprecedented step

. give didn't convince the cabinet many people to believe that baby is losing his a lot of calibrating judgment of reality . right prime minister brock thank you so much for joining us today, the very important moment for your country really appreciate your insight. thank you for having me we are going to win over the become thank you, sir. happening right now protesters are filling the streets of france. and here you can see what that looks like potentially tear gas being fired. into this crowd. it is the 10th straight day of demonstrations in france over government pension reforms. our senior international correspondent sam kiley joins us live from the streets of paris. sam what are you seeing there? well, alex here on the boulevard voltaire. at the end of that boulevard, there is the plastic surgeon. that's the end of the

procession route. if you like for this union organized protests against macron's plans to change the pensionable age from 62 to 64. now the government here has deployed a huge number of extra police. you can see a hat, relatively speaking a handful. there are very large numbers of police. out on the streets of paris, an extra 5.5 1000 on the streets of paris 13,000 around the rest of the country that were deep concerns that there was going to be violence following the demonstration. that has been a lot of tear gas. a lot of throwing of rocks and stones at the police and the gendarmerie, but they seem to be containing it. by the standards of paris. now the whole city has got fairly used to these demonstrations. this is the 10th in a row, but the numbers are down, according to the government is 740,000 people demonstrating around the country 93,000 here in paris, down from 120,000 last thursday, but that

doesn't take away from the boiling anger that is here over these. the problem for the opposition is that the legislation is all but done. there's almost nothing they can do to reverse it other than have street protests, and that means the possibility of escalating violence and, of course strikes . the problem with strikes is that the country has been on and off strike since the middle of january, and people are really suffering from strikes. they're not getting paid, alex. that means that, even for example, here in paris, the garbage collections are going to restart tomorrow simply because the garbage collectors run out of wages. so this steam may go out of some of these protests over the next few weeks. the problem is for macron, the anger against him and his legislative program is definitely not going away, alex. and sam. we do have less than a minute left. and these are just extraordinary scenes with that fire burning behind you and riot police right behind you. but has president macron

done anything to try to attempt down this temperature? well no, not in effect. he has said that there is a right to protest peacefully, he says he's regretful that he has to do these pension reforms that there are necessary part of balancing the budget effectively, and even his government has agreed to open a dialogue with the unions , but not on the matter of these pension reforms. they are absolutely not for turning on that and arguably politically after these sorts of demonstrations, the level of violence that we've seen the clashes between the police and the protesters. he doesn't want to be seen to be doing a u turn in response to violence on the streets. alex riley on the streets of paris. thank you very much, sir. that does it for me. don't go anywhere. we have much more breaking news ahead. take cacare. the only thing i regret about m my life was hiring local talent. . if i knew about up wo, i would have hired actually

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