allies were applying on pence not to certify the results of the election or currently reviewing, but let me be clear. i have nothing to hide. this is a textbook case of bank mismanagement did not have to be an accountant to figure out what the hell was going on. we have a crisis and you come in here without knowing whether or not you did your job, you say you want more. that's not the way this works. we're learning about who might be called to testify in dominion voting systems. $1.6 billion defamation case against fox news over the 2020 election. the company wants more than 80 witnesses, and they include sean hannity, tucker carlson, maria bartiromo, ingram could always be a sediment right before the clock strikes midnight, but it looks like all things are pointing to a trial happening just a few weeks. i mean, that would be major. if that happened. a trial with, you know, one of the biggest news organizations in the news organizations in the world that would be huge, really significant to see them. those executives testifying we have

got a lot to cover as you saw there in our five things. so let's start with brand new details in nashville and that school shooting and questions about how the shooter was able to buy so many guns. police say the shooter was being treated for an emotional disorder but was able to legally buy seven guns before murdering three children and three staff members at a private christian school in nashville. and there's brand new reporting from the new york times about the shooter's past, now, the shooter's former teacher at an art college told the times that years ago, the shooter had an emotional breakdown in her class when she had trouble creating a password for the school's online student portal, and in recent years a shooter had been grieving on facebook about the loss of a romantic partner. there's new, harrowing police body cam video that shows officers rushing in and confronting the shooter. we have sync up both angles released by officials warning for you now, okay? i just want

to make sure if you have people in the room that shouldn't be watching this, then you should get them out. this video is disturbing. no, no. go go, go! shots fired. shots fired fire moving. right right, right. help. all right. my goodness. we're learning more about the young students and educators who were murdered, including the school's custodian. mike hill.

students called him big mike. he had 14 grandkids. his family says mike loves spending time with them and had a passion. for cooking. holly scruggs. was one of the 39 year olds gunned down. her dad is a pastor of the church that runs the school. evelyn dick house. her family says that their hearts are completely broken. they say evelyn was a shining light, and they cannot believe this has happened. and then there are the survivors brand new video taken by good samaritan. you see students running across a busy street to escape. one running into the adults. arms right there. jason hoffman took that video he had he stopped traffic to help the kids escape. jason thank you so much. we appreciate you joining us. can you please talk about the scene of the shooting and how you i knew something was wrong. why you did what you did. well i, uh i was

just happened to be in the area and i heard probably 10 to 15 or more shots as you saw in the video there. i was hearing that outside, and, um i just took cover in my car. and just tried . to flee the area. um as i was going down the road to get away from the gunshots, sc police everywhere and a woman jumping out into in front of my car waving her arms. i noticed there's children behind her, and i put two and two together. at that moment and it just hit me really hard. it's gonna say, did you did you know what was going on? and what was going through your head? i had no idea at the time. what was going on? i didn't know if it was like a police chase that ended up in a shootout. um it was when i saw the teacher come out of the woods and the kids behind her that my heart sunk and i was hoping that it had nothing to school. but of course, we found

out later on that he did. and no, i didn't have anything. i didn't have any idea what was going on. until it broke on the news while i was sitting there, surrounded by the police still were you able to speak to anyone there in traffic or hear anyone ? can you take us through that? what were they saying? if you heard anything yeah, there were , uh people started to show up at the school that we're friends, family. of some of the staff some of the victims they were sharing their concerns their worry. um people were standing there crying kids got across the street to the other side, and the police saw that they escaped from the woods and came over and actually brought them to a place. so once they were safe. we felt a little bit better about that. they escaped from the woods. yes they came

through, um. there's a the church's up on a big hill, surrounded by woods and they came all the way down the hill. to the road and jumped out in a four lane highway basically on the road there, and so stop the car immediately. we jumped out the people to the left of me. stop get out! and once they see these kids crossing the road, everybody stopped and got out and made sure they were safe. what is this done to you? um. it's just really i have a nine year old myself, and it's really hard to send them to school. it's uh, it's really made me. frightened to do that frightened to send him anywhere. this is the hard world that we live in now, things like this happening everywhere. jason you live in this community, and we've seen this new body camera video that

was released by the police yesterday. i wonder if you've seen it and what you think of how the police responded to this. they jumped into. i can't commend them any anymore for their bravery. their actions. um they jumped great into the line of fire to, um to take down the throat and that that body cam footage is hard to watch. you know what? i was hearing that just right outside. you were able to hear the gunshot? yes yeah, i heard. i heard, um several different calibers going off and i knew that's when it was probably a shootout. the police i just didn't know where it was yet. was that. well, jason, you take care of yourself. um sorry that you experienced that. but we are grateful that you're here to

describe what happened to help. right um, going on. and i did what anybody else anybody would do. i think in that situation helped the kids get to safety. jason hoffman. thank you so much. thank you don. also this morning on capitol hill, republican lawmakers are focusing on mental health not as much on guns after the national shooting. we also heard yesterday from the senate chaplain. his name is very black . you don't often hear from him in a way like this. what we're about to show you where he's urging lawmakers to take action. lord. when babies. die at a church school. it is time for us to move beyond. thoughts. and prayers. lord deliver our senators. from the paralysis of analysis. that waits. for the

miraculous. cnn's lauren fox is live on capitol hill. born in the aftermath of the shooting, we heard president biden say that he wants to see congress and act the assault weapons ban that he's called for. you've been talking to lawmakers, i imagine that still seems just as unlikely as we had initially believed, right? yeah i mean, after dozens of conversations with republicans over the last 48 hours, the resounding analysis that you hear from them is that there is nothing more that they can do when it comes directly to blocking things like purchasing an assault weapon. one of the things that you hear from republicans over and over again is that the country needs more mental health care that there are individuals in this country that want to do harm and that no gun legislation is going to change that. here's one of them congressman tim burchett of tennessee. we can pass all the laws we want, but somebody's gonna three d printed books.

somebody's going to get ammonium nitrate like they did in oklahoma and completely evil didn't have a assault weapon. whatever that is. whatever new definition of that is, didn't have any of that, and that's what we're going to have. the laws don't work until people changed. their hearts were not going to see a change. and i talked to tom tillis. he was instrumental in passing that modest gun reform that passed in the summer of 2022. even he said he didn't see room for new gun legislation. instead he argued that the focus should be on implementing the bill that they passed last summer, he says a lot of that mental health money still is going out to communities and he said, it's really not clear yet. what impact their bill could have arguing that there's just not room for something else. caleb like both. besides the allegory , no action is likely here. i want to ask you about something else. but it's also happening this morning because house speaker kevin mccarthy seems to be asking the white house to have a meeting when it comes to

the debt ceiling. but the white house seems to responding that that's premature in their in their view at this point until they see republicans budget and republicans are backing away from going ahead and putting out a budget before they deal with the debt ceiling. i talked to a source yesterday who told me that the emphasis right now is on that debt ceiling, which really puts both sides in paralysis. at this moment. we also expect that jerome powell, the fed chair is going to be a special guest today at the republican study committee is lunch that is a conservative group that includes many of the house republicans. it's going to be really interesting to see what comes of that lunch, but it's born to remember katelyn polantz been weeks since the president and the speaker sat down to discuss the next steps in the debt ceiling. and while there's no finite deadline right now, we know we're just a couple of months away from meeting congressional action and right now there is no path forward. katelyn polantz lauren fox. thank you so much for that report back to what we're

talking about here when it comes to guns themselves. the question a lot of people have is what makes the ar 15 style so popular in the united states they are was first developed for military use back in the 19 fifties and since become one of those popular weapons in america, according to a new washington post has fallen. not new. excuse me from october. about 16 million americans actually own one on its path to popularity. the weapon has also become a favorite among mass shooters, like the gunman who opened fire at a movie theater theater in aurora, colorado, back in 2012 and the one that slaughtered concertgoers in vegas in 2017, and then again, of course, last year, you baldy, texas elementary school. we have now learned that the nashville shooter also had an air 15 style weapon that is, according to police, one of the three firearms that was found at the scene last year. in the weeks after the multi school shooting, cnn's ellie roof traveled to oklahoma, where she spoke with the gun rights group. okay to a here's a short clip of that interview. many americans saw

the second elementary school massacre in a decade and thought there should be more restrictions on guns. we wanted to know why these guys saw the same thing and thought there should be more guns more openly and everywhere you explain, like , what are you afraid of? because to an outsider, it's like you have all republicans government like why well, i'm afraid you're wrong word concern . it's not so much about guns. it's about our god given rights . good guy or gal with a gun is the only answer to a bad guy with the gun. i've heard that said a lot, but i don't know that it's true. can you give me a logical reason that it wouldn't be true? it didn't work in eovaldi. there was a gun free zone. it was in a school police 19 police officers who had orders from their bosses to stand down. it is with us here. now it is an interesting look to see because obviously there's a lot of gun owners who say hey, i'm a responsible gun owner. why do i have to have my freedoms

restricted because of people in these mass shootings? what else did you learn as you were investigating and reporting this out? oh well, he talked about how he wasn't afraid. but actually a big part of, um their issue is that they are afraid they most of the people we spoke to in this group had created these very elaborate hypothetical situations in which they would need a weapon to defend their families. so the head of okay to eight on spencer told me that what if he drove home and someone was robbing his house? and he interrupted them. he would need an ar 15 so we would have enough ammo to kill them all. okay? um, listen, this is i think it's important here to show the fact that you would katelyn polantz that and we're talking about all of the aurora, colorado. las vegas, rob elementary and you, baldy, newtown, and on and on and on. these are all our 15 style, at least weapons that they use, washington post and ipsos poll asked 400 people why they own an ar 15 l a. um and they said the

largest percentage site itself defense. as you just mentioned protection type for second place was target shooting and recreation, tied for third, the second amendment and hunting from your conversations with these gun does that track because you said they come up with these elaborate situations that but does that poltrack to you? the people who spoke to talked about the black lives matter. protests in 2020. they've been watching a lot of right wing media, and they were afraid that mobs of people were coming to where they lived out in small town america or in the suburbs to do them harm. but that never happened. never seem to erase that fear. and even after we finished our interviews, they would text me these anonymous anonymous messages that were completely like unverifiable. threatening to come attack people out in the middle of the country, and they would say to me well, this is why we need in our air 15. we have to protect ourselves. where are they getting this from? um just like right wing social media accounts. you know, they'll take an anonymous post

on reddit. and then it goes around twitter and facebook. but what about other people? who i mean, i'm from alabama. i know a lot of people who own these kinds of guns. that are careful with them that keep them stored and proper places in their homes and whatnot. and that's the pushback. you know, we've been seeing from a lot of republicans on capitol hill. i was watching our reporters there yesterday, asking people why should people be able to own an ar 15? why why do you think this should be legal and a lot of republicans? kittens immediately answered, saying that they they didn't really waiver on the idea that they should be able to be purchased right. a lot of people said why do i a good person a good citizen need to be punished? for what? a bad citizen. did i? also my family is long line of hillbillies in the missouri ozarks. lot of hunters. but what my family ragged about was being able to shoot the out of the squirrel with the 22 right like you. you don't shoot deer like you're in a quentin tarantino movie. i just remember being in arora and i wanted to see how long i was covering. they were theater

shooting. it took me 20 minutes of an ar 15 and i had a georgia driver's license at the time i lived in georgia. from louisiana . so i relate to what both of you are saying, but i had a friend in georgia. he would just drive around with an a r and his trunk. i remember helping him put stuff in his trunk. he was moving, i said, was that exist? it's just my are carried or drive around with all the time. didn't really need a permit for it was just something that he drove around then that's true in oklahoma as well. they have permanent, permanently scary. they've had it since 2019. the oklahoma reported last month that there have been 100 new bills to expand gun rights there, and some of them seem kind of absurd like that. there's a proposal to allow guns on boats. um, which you know, even lawmakers are like, well, i don't know why about disputes to be settled that way. the interesting thing is that you can be a proponent and support the second amendment but also support sensible gun legislation and also question why people. you know, feel that they must own a ar 15 as you said, you

know, back in the day like a 22 like you wanted to shoot a rifle and you wanted to be precise. you didn't need the a r 15 or that style weapons so but we are here. great reporting. thank you really appreciate them. so the acting head of the faa says that the series of near collisions on runways this year may be linked to the fallout from the pandemic , billy nolan said. quote air travel is coming back in a big way since the pandemic, but the long layoff couple with the increased technical nature of our systems might have caused some professionals to lose some of that muscle. memory mountain joins us now live from washington with more and this is very interesting that he's saying this good morning to you. what else did we hear from nolan? what we're talking about complacency caused by the pandemic, don. it's something we've heard about from pilots from labor unions from kevin kelly sullenberger during our primetime special and our safety earlier this month, and now we're hearing about it from the acting head of the faa, essentially saying that the pandemic rebound is happening faster than workers can handle.

and that is why we're seeing these dramatic near misses on or near runways at major airports involving commercial airliners, which interesting here is that this is something that was echoed by transportation secretary pete buddha judge during my exclusive interview with him last month, and he attributed this to some kind of rust that is happening in the aviation system. listen. there would be one thing if we found a certain piece of technology in the cockpit or a certain control tower where there were there were a lot of issues, but instead what we're finding is that pilots, ground crews and controllers alike seem to be experiencing this uptick. some have described it as a kind of rust. but that that needs to turn into a very concrete diagnosis and specific action steps. we're not going to wait for something worse to happen to act now. the other interesting element here that nolan points to is that retirements accelerated among pilots and air

traffic controllers during the pandemic, the interesting thing here and this is something that captain sullenberger agreed with me during that primetime special is that there's a bit of a brain drain happening in aviation, allowing new people to matriculate much quickly, much more quickly than they have in the past. although the simple explanation here is not all that simple, and the ntsb will have to investigate these six incidents in which these planes came near to colliding at major u. s airports, don so many things have been affected by the pandemic, or people accepting this as a valid reason for ellen issues. there is a chain reaction in all of these incidents, and the dynamic part of aviation is that the conditions are very different. and so you really can't point to any one specific thing. what is interesting now is that we're now hearing a little bit more. more about the shortage of air traffic controllers, something we've been reporting out. although we just have to wait and see. you know each incident is different in the ntsb is investigating, but that could take maybe a year or more for them to reach a final conclusion

on these incidents, martine in washington. thank you, pete. also this morning, we're tracking news out of philadelphia, where officials say the city's water is safe to drink and to use that comes after a chemical spill in the nearby delaware river. so far, officials say no contaminants have been found in the water system since that spill more than 8000 gallons of water soluble latex solution spilled into the bristol township on friday. it raised up ramped up fears that the city's drinking water had been contaminated. but officials say so far safe to drink now. the news mike pence order to testify about former president trump's efforts overturned the 2020 election. so the questions that he still does not have to answer that's next. i have nothing to hide. we're currently speaking to our attorneys about the proper way forward, and as i said, we'll have a decision in the coming days. introducing the new sleep number climate 3 60 smart bet only smart but in the world that actively cools. warms and

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with trump leading up to that day. the former vice president has so far declined to testify, even though he has had publicly and he's written in his book about trump endangering his life. and he says everyone else at the capitol that day. in an interview yesterday, pence told newsmax that he hasn't decided if he was going to appeal this new ruling. the requirements of my testimony going forward are subject of our review right now , and i'll have more to say about that in the days ahead. let me be clear, right? i have nothing to hide. i have a constitution to uphold. we're currently speaking to our attorneys about the proper way forward, and as i said, we'll have a decision in the coming days joins a list of former trump white house officials who have been ordered to testify, including chief of staff, mark meadows, so let's bring in now. jamil jaffer. he was associate counsel to president george w. bush and the founder of executive of the national and executive. i should, say

director of the national security institute at george mason law school. thank you for joining us. good morning, do you? thanks for having think then what are the odds? is he going to end up testifying? you know, i think it's very possible . you know what the what the judge found, and we don't have the actual ruling itself. unfortunately but with the judge found was that the executive privilege, which is what protects the president's advice that he gets from his close advisers, his cabinet like that that didn't apply and didn't borrow vice president pence's testimony. but he did find that the vice president plays this odd role between the executive and legislative branch because under the constitution, he's also the president senate. you found that that might limit some of the testimony that vice president pence has to give about the day of january 6th when he did actually talked to president trump, but his his actions on that day because he was acting as the president senate in his capacity there. yeah, and we should note. the reason we haven't seen it is because it's under seal, so none of us have seen it. this is all based on reporting that we have from sources. but based on that, and the fact that pence already has written about what actually

happened on january 6th. how problematic do you think it is for trump if pence is going to go and testify about the conversations they had leading up to that day? well you know, katelyn polantz. it's potentially very problematic because as we saw in the january 6th hearings of the committee held, there's a lot of information about what president trump knew about what was going to happen at the capitol that day, his role. you know the conversations you have with staff. um and, of course, the vice president pence. he didn't have his conversation on that day. there's a lot of information about the lead of the events that might demonstrate that he had some level of culpability and that he wanted congress to be unable to certify the election. you wanted vice president to overturn the election, and all of that goes right at the issues that the special counsel jack smith is looking at. okay unless i'm hearing wrong, um you sort of alluded to what i want to play. this is pence. this is him back in february, arguing that the separation of powers would give him cover. watch this. i'm going

to fight the biden doj so sure i do it for me to appear before the grand jury because i believe it's unconstitutional and it's unprecedented. my fight is on a principle of separation of powers in the constitution of the united states, wondering what you think of that because he still has the ability to appeal. and on what grounds? do you think he has the best? chance for that the best defense look, you know, it's interesting vice president. pence did not argue that the executive privilege bars is testimony. president trump's lawyers made that argument that would have been an argument could have made but he didn't. he did make the argument that this issue is separation of powers him acting as the president senate legislative capacity, even though he's the vice president of the united states protects him and that the speech or debate clause in the constitution that protects members of congress when they're acting in their official capacity that that protects him and that that ought to be upheld. so if he he's already gotten something of a decent rule, and we don't know the

details, but it sounds like the judge there gave him some room. if he wants to get that ruling to go further and give them more protection from testifying at all. he might go to the court of appeals. but my guess is he probably moves forward and does testify. and then we'll see what happens. of course, the hard thing for vice president pence's he's thinking about running for president. hmm running for president. his team has kind of long conceded privately that they believed he'd have to testify about some stuff. but in the bigger picture that i think is important here is it's not just pets. trump's attorney wouldn't testified in a separate investigation. the docks case last week without attorney client privilege. mark meadows has to go testify in this january 6th case with that executive privilege. the idea that all these people around trump are now being ordered to go and testify without these protections that typically some of them would have about their private conversations with him. remarkable exactly. that's exactly right, caitlyn. and look, these folks have a lot of information with the president knew in the lead up to january 6th on the day of, and so i do think that some of this

testimony could be very to the president who clearly had a sense of what might take place that day. you know, we heard that testimony during the january 6th hearings about the president what he said about the folks around the mall and whether they had weapons or not, and that they weren't there to. they weren't there to harm him. and then he directs into the capital. there's a lot of going on here that the special counsel get into once he has access to testimony from folks like the ones you mentioned. katelyn polantz jameel jaffer. thank you for your perspective this morning. thanks for having me. also federal regulators, slamming the executives of the two failed banks, even suggesting they make clawback bonuses. those executive scott, we're going to ask republican senator mike rounds who was there at that hearing. that's next. not is. age related macular degeneration may lead to severe vision loss. and if you're takaking a multivitamin alone, you may be missing a critical piece. preservation preservation contains the only clinically proven nutrient formula recommended by the

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top banking regulator with some tough words for silicon valley bank's management. of course, svb s downfall sent waves of panic through the financial system earlier this month, regional banks still dealing with the fallout from that now lawmakers investigating are investigating what led to the 2nd and 3rd largest bank collapses in u. s history. why no one saw it coming or why no one did anything about it. joining us now is a member of the senate banking committee. republican senator mike rounds of south dakota who was in that room. thank you so much, senator and this morning, let's start with do you feel like you've got a sufficient answer from the supervisors? and do you think that ultimately this was a will result in raising that $250,000 insurance cap? i think the regulators yesterday. uh i think they've begun to provide the information that we need. it's when it's not. we're not done yet. there's at least three separate investigations that will be looking at. they went a little bit farther than what i had expected them to yesterday

with regard to sharing just how serious the mistakes were that svb made uh, i wasn't sure they were going to go that far. they did make it clear that there's more work to be done. they also made it clear that that there were clear warning signs and that the regulators had notified the bank and that they were expecting an immediate response . but he didn't give us was what that response was or how quickly it was sending back out. so uh, those are the things that we're going to be learning more about. in the next six weeks. this was really a hearing to set up and to make sure that they understood that there was a lot more information that we were expecting them to be able to deliver the other piece that did not come out as well, i think is the regulators themselves are really kind of under scrutiny. were they using the tools that were available to them? i think they wanted to start out with their best foot forward and say, well, look, we were really working on it. but in this case, i think those are some of the

questions. we're going to be asking top of it. did they use the tools that were available to them? i noticed that was one of the big things you pressed on, was the timeline of how long they have to respond to warnings like that. i have a do wonder, though, if you have a concern that this kind of creates a nationalized banking system to a degree, if you are allowing officials to have regulators you know, pay these depositors out, even if they are uninsured, which typically would not be the case. yeah, i think there's two questions to it. first of all, did they do the right thing to do to protect the depositors immediately over the first couple of weeks, and i think they did. i think that helped to slow down the fear that some depositors had that a smaller bank would be at risk with the creation of dodd. frank we've really already created a tiered system in which you have some banks that are too big to fail that the biggest banks and that by almost by default would suggest that if you've got your money in one of those banks is too big to fail. but then you don't have to worry about how large your deposit is, whereas if you're in a medium or a small

bank, you know are they protected, you know, with the federal government step in so there is a really good question moving forward that we don't have the right answer for yet, and that is how do we take out that marketing capability that the big banks have? or that advantage that dodd frank provides to them being too big to fail? part of that could be an increase in the size of the deposit protection program. and but with that comes a question of who pays for that cost who should pick up the major cost of ensuring that or paying the bill , and that's that, i think is something that we want to do. after we get all the facts in then we can sit down and we can actually talk about long term. what is the best way to approach it so that we don't have that disadvantage for small and medium sized banks senator after the shooting in nashville, president biden called on congress to pass an assault weapons ban again. do you think that there should be action here in the wake of that shooting? okay i put myself in a position

where i look at those those families and i see these things . and i look at my colleagues up here and there isn't anybody here. if they could find the right approach wouldn't try to do something because they feel that pain. and yet when we start talking about bands or challenging on the second amendment, i think the things that have already been done have gone about as far as we're going to with gun control. i do think there are some things that can be done and let me just give you one example. it's one that we already started working on. we've already introduced legislation. we've got about $500 million that we think over five year period time. that's already been allocated for putting in solar panels that schools could we reallocate that back over five year period of time, provide grants back to the states and allow them to go back in and help individual school districts to actually protect those. those schools make them more difficult to get into yesterday, one of the things we found out was that in the manifesto this individual had

published. they actually looked at other locations and decided this was the least safe into our location, and they walked away from some of the others. maybe as we take small steps, but more steps to take care of our kids and prevent these kinds of things. maybe the next step should be. how do we protect those most vulnerable in our society? out of place where they should absolutely be safe. it's pretty stark to hear you say that. you don't think there's anything else legislatively that congress can do when it comes to guns. you voted against the gun safety legislation that was passed and signed into law. last year, some of your republican colleagues voted again voted for it. do you still stand by that vote, senator i do it in this case, it's a matter of implementation. and when we start talking about implementing , let's find out exactly what does happen with regard to mental health. and do you have the appropriate safeguards to protect individuals were being accused of not having, uh or not

being able to get a weapon. let's work our way through those that guy, or that particular piece of legislation has not even been implemented yet to the full extent but i'm not prepared to start talking about implementing more stuff when we know right now that we could be making our schools safer than what they are today, if they had the resources to do so, and we know based on yesterday's activities that this particular shooter went out of their way to try to go to one where there was less protection than at other locations. the shooter also purchased these guns legally, we are told the shooter had an emotional disorder, according to the shooter's family, yet they were still able to get access to these guns. do you think tennessee needs a red flag laws that clear that that would have helped here? look, i think there's a little bit more involved in this and i'll just give you an example. um i remember years ago, when i was governor in south dakota, there was actually the move on the part of the federal government

at that time to try to look individually at veterans coming home who were asking for emotional or help working their way back out of war zone back into to, you know, to life back home. and they actually were trying to look at the medical records to determine whether or not they should be put on a list that would have prohibited prohibited them from actually getting a gun. these are the folks who were trying to get help. so when we start talking about whether or not we should prohibit someone from being able to exercise their second amendment right because they've asked for help. i think we're starting to move down the wrong direction. and this is the fine line that you know. i don't think anybody wants to see that happen where you want people that are emotionally disturbed to be able to try and get help. and you don't necessarily want to just simply say that because you're getting help. you should be limited. and those are the types of things that i think, make a lot of us. think whether or not you want to put a red flag law in as opposed to what i

would call a yellow flag, which is where you can actually go get help, but you don't have the case necessarily of having the old rights being prohibited or taken away at that time. i think that's when we start to get to a point where you're really going to have a problem getting something like that through congress think there's a lot of debate on that. but one last question for you go. the former president opened up his rally in waco, texas, on saturday with a choir of people who have been imprisoned for their actions on january 6th singing. do you think that was a mistake on his part? you know, i didn't see it. i saw excerpts of it. uh if it highlights january, 6th and what happened on january 6th? that was a bad day for america. it does highlight it, senator. yeah, and that was that was a bad day for america. it was i was there. i saw it. um what happened on that day? we never want to see happen again. and so my opinion if they're trying to identify that as being an appropriate response, they're wrong. and uh, i personally

think that you know it was the closest thing to an insurrection that we've seen in a long, long time. it was not an appropriate thing to have happened in our country and i don't want to see it happen again. senator rounds. thank you for your time this morning on all of these very important issues. we really appreciate it. thank you. four months after his conviction was vacated the murder charge for edna outside the subject of the serial podcast has been reinstated, unpacking this latest legal twist. at the end of thehe age, i'm afraid i feels right upon us. this is considered a mass suicide investigation. never mind. t ando were the second coming killing themselves, they ensure your mortality. i still love easter, baby. cnn presents a max original heaven's gate sunday at 10 on cnn. if you have diabetes

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prison. in 2014, the serial podcast uncovered new evidence and 2016, a judge granted side a new trial six years later in 2022. his conviction was overturned inside walked free. then yesterday, though, twist court reinstated science conviction because hey, men, lee's family was not given adequate notice to participate in the hearing that resulted in science released, so we want to turn now. two. ayman lee's attorney, family attorney, steve kelly. steve thank you so much. we appreciate you joining us here. what do you what do you think of yesterday's ruling? what does it say about the conduct of the state attorney's office? we are very pleased with yesterday's ruling, and you know more than more so than, um, one person's conduct. we think it really represents a step towards transparency and the rule of law . you know that you can't have a trial by podcast or trial by publicity. we are very proud of

our criminal justice system in maryland. we have issues like everybody else. but we have a various solid judiciary and there's a process and the process wasn't followed here. what happened here was back room , you know, um, secret hearings and, um, things being sort of rammed through. um you know, while a lot of cameras were watching you know what can you respond to what former state attorney marilyn mosby said, because she, in a response said this decision actually said to dangerous president over a prosecutor's ability to reverse and injustice, she says. we notified the families the victim's family in line with maryland law and best practices they attended virtually and spoke, she said. to nelson, this case back to court prolongs the pain not only for the leave family also, there's a cloud hanging over a man. who deserves to be free. what's your response? my response is that that's the whole problem. it's mostly thinks that she is her judgment should be substituted for that of the supreme court of maryland. you know, this is a

conviction that's 21 years old. that's been affirmed by every single court at every single level, and miss mosby was able to use a law because she didn't like the conviction to essentially reverse it. and that's not how things are done. it's in everyone's interests, including mr side to have all the evidence aired publicly. let us know what it is that that she contends. exactly um, you know clouds this this conviction, but they have a prosecutor. you know , substitute her judgment for that of a jury and of the entire maryland judiciary. it's just not appropriate. marilyn mosby said that she moved to have science conviction overturned because of new d n a evidence found on the victim's shoes. that didn't match at an inside. now i understand that your clients are distraught, right? but shouldn't the burden of proof beyond the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that side was guilty and not on side or on a podcast to prove that

somebody else is responsible for the killing. the d n a. is already herring. you know all the dna shows that that is that mr sides d n a. wasn't on the shoes. but you know who else is? dna wasn't on the shoes. him inlay. you know, shoes are notoriously, you know, contaminated with all sorts of dna from all sorts of different places and the absent the maryland court addressed that issue dead on, wood said look the absence of dna does not exonerate someone. especially when you're talking about touch dna. um touch dna on shoes. so the idea that the dna evidence really says anything is really just not true. it's not true. it doesn't show all it shows is that his dna wasn't on there. it wasn't on the shoes, but there was no evidence presented at trial that he handled the shoes. so you know it. it be the d n a. and me and perhaps there is more of the story and that's why we want this hearing. let this let

the information be brought out in the in the public light in a transparent way, so that we can all understand exactly what mr mosby is talking about. it's not enough. for her to say. trust me. you know, this is a bad conviction and you wanted to serve out his time, right? no we don't. we want the truth. you know if i'm not saying that it's not the guy that we want him out. absolutely you know, the family is open minded. they're good people. they're not vengeful, and the last thing they would want is for him to serve a single day that he doesn't deserve to serve. kelly, we thank you for appearing festive luck to you. thanks so much. thank you for having me. real life. ocean's 11. not quite , but we are going to tell you why and attempted casino heist in colorado went bust, take the money and run, not vegas, far less. it's again taking money, not flossing. well, then add the woe of listerine to your routine new science shows it gets in

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