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start with new insights on the mass shooter who murdered three children and three adults inside of nashville elementary school earlier this week. former art school instructors said that she knew audrey hale, the person that's been identified as the killer, maria kalemie told cnn that she met hail in 2017 at the college of art. and she said that for the last year, hill had grieved online over the death of a girl she used to play basketball with me, said it was around this time that he'll wanted to be referred to as he him. and to go by the name aiden. colombia also said that hale was suffering nashville police say it's still not clear why the covenant school was the target, which is where hale had attended elementary school. the chief of police said. hale had pages of details on the attack on the school. detectives are looking at the manifesto. there been a ah. in coordination with
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the fbi and the t b i. and in combing through all of the documents, all of the writings the maps, the maps did have a display of entering into the school, a route that would be taken quite a bit of writing. it's a notebook. um maybe it has 60 pages in and i'm not sure how many of the pages are written on, but i couldn't. i couldn't give you a true estimate on that. cnn national correspondent dianne gallagher is in nashville . diane i know you're learning that police believe audrey hale actually received weapons training. that's right. bianna so the metro nashville police department telling me today that they do believe that the shooter had some kind of firearms training, but they're not sure exactly when or where that would have taken place, or to what extent that weapons training may have gone to, the police chief mentioned on tuesday that they thought that this may be the case because when police arrived
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, he'll shot at them through an upper window, and the chief noted that they thought that perhaps there's been some training to teach how to shoot from above and also the type of the firing of the weapon. and the fact that hale had backed up away from the window to avoid any sort of return fire again. that is something they say they do believe indicates that there is some form of weapons training that hale had. we do know that, according to police purchase at least seven weapons between october 2020 and june 2022. those weapons were purchased legally. bianna boris. and diane . we're also learning that bill lee, the governor of tennessee, he's backed state laws easing restrictions on firearms. he actually also has a personal tie to this mass shooting. yes in fact, according to governor bill lee, in a very lengthy video
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that he put out last night he was expecting to have dinner. he and his wife with one of the people who were killed here at this school on monday morning, cynthia peak, the governor called her cindy was very good friends with his wife, saying that the two of them had taught together as substitute teachers. and he grieved in this video. take a listen. maria woke up this morning without one of her best friends. cindy peak. cindy was supposed to come over to have dinner with maria last night after she filled in as a substitute teacher yesterday. coming in cindy and maria and catherine koontz. we're all teachers at the same school and have been family friends. for decades. we're also learning more about one of the younger victims. nine year old halle scruggs, whose father was a pastor here at this church, her aunt, posting about that young child in a facebook post where
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she just sort of went into what kind of kid this was saying to watch for the past nine years has been a gift and privilege, she said she was incredibly smart, feisty enough to keep up with her three brothers in my four boys love for life that kept her smiling and running and jumping and playing and always on the go, of course. 39 year olds were killed on monday morning inside that school. the city of nashville will remember all six of those victims at a citywide vigil tonight in attendance. we expect there to be religious leaders, city dignitary state leaders as well as singer sheryl crow and the first lady of the united states, dr jill biden. she will also be in attendance tonight in what is expected to be very somber. somber evening here in nashville. diane gallagher. thank you so much for that reporting. let's discuss all of these details further. we've got joshua school with us. he served as the fbi executive assistant director for intelligence. he's now the president of the wave llc. joshua, thanks so much for
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being with us when you watch the footage from inside the school closely, and you hear those details from the officers that the shooter apparently had some kind. some level of training. does that coincide with what you see on the video. so it does coincide boards. it says to me that you can see her movement. you can see her shouldering the long gone the most recent information with her firing from position to cover to this police officers who are responding that all goes to some level of training. i would also say that her her garb looks to me like she has a tactical vest on a bulletproof vest, but a load bearing vest and she's prepared to conduct some sort of battle. so that's what it tells me. we also have. the tennessee has some of the loosest gun laws, gun safety laws in the country and we heard from the police chief earlier this week note that the shooter had a history
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of emotional disorder and was seeking treatment and that law enforcement was unaware of this and had law enforcement been aware of the shooter and of the shooters, background seeking treatment that they would have been able to somehow intervene, but given that the state does not have red flag laws would that have even been possible? it's unlikely if they do not have red flag laws. here's what we know we have a challenge with too many criminals, folks with mental health and juveniles having access to weapons. executive action does not mean inability to do something. so that is some of the discussions that we need to hold our elected officials accountable for there's been too many of these going on too much violence and too many people that think this is the right course of action. when they're feel agreed. so there is action our leaders can take and we need to hold them accountable to do that. joshua, we know investigators are still piecing together a motive. can you describe what that process
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is like and how investigators go about answering the question of why the shooter did this? so investigators, the chief said. you know the fbi. you have natural metro police. you have the tennessee bureau of investigation. undoubtedly the a t, f and other host of folks working together you have law enforcement investigators and analysts. they're going through the shooter's social media. they're interviewing family and friends there, dissecting her manifesto, and at each point they learn more about what is happening and what caused this to happen. when did she start feeling aggrieved? how how? and why did she select this school? when did she go and conduct surveillance? we also have reporting that she is looking at a mall as another target. we know there was another school that was a target that had harder security. all of this is a process that takes a long time to uncover and piece together. certainly what we're seeing is a professional law enforcement organization. nashville pd very
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confident. we witnessed that in the video, the fbi working in concert and this is what we should expect of our law enforcement professionals to put this together to tell the story of what had happened and what caused this. and also as an educational opportunity. when there is something in somebody in in their life that is grieving and is going to potentially conduct violence. folks need to report that to the officials. and we saw that in a text that happened to one of her friends yesterday. yeah and from what? we're hearing from the shooter's parents that they weren't even aware of the number of firearms that their daughter had possessed. joshua school. thank you so much. now let's bring in cnn, senior crime and justice correspondent amount procure peso shimon. no doubt this is night and day, sort of textbook example of how police should respond to a school shooting. we saw it in their body cam video going room to room there and really putting their lives on the lines looking not knowing where the shooter maybe compare that to your
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extensive work in covering just the tragedy that unfolded not only in the shooting and you validate, but the horrific response by police. it started out as a textbook case. right? how are you? to respond to active shooter situations. but what happened was when the officers felt that their lives were in danger that gunfire was now coming at them from the shooter. they retreated. they went back, and they never again which try to get in that classroom for another 77 minutes , so that is the one really big difference in all of this is that you see in nashville officers going towards the sound of gunfire. they know where it's coming from. they are moving in that direction and they go and they eliminate the shooter. you know, there are significant differences in that the shooter in your body was in a classroom that here in nashville, the shooters in the hallway kind of vestibule area, okay, but the point is, officers have to keep going and you volunteer. at some point, they stopped. the other
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thing that i think is significant. and what we're seeing in nashville is how the school responded. those school administrators and the body camera footage that we see in the moments that officers arrived. they're out there. they're on the front line, assisting those officers telling them where to go. in one of the one of the pieces of video you actually see a school administrator, giving officers a key to get inside the school. none of that was done in your body. there was no school administrator directing any of the officers. there was confusion, whether or not they were kids during the day when school's in session and yuval and they were confused over whether or not children were inside a classroom and even when they were told by 911 calls that there were children inside, they still didn't take action and they waited for swat team. so those are really the big differences, and that's why you're seeing the praise that you're that the officers in nashville are getting in the police chief twice. on the day this happened came out and said we will never stop. we will keep moving. in these situations to eliminate the threat because
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there was a lot of concern after you have all the law enforcement community that their people were going to question how officers respond to these situations. there was a lot of worry and clearly what's being demonstrated in natural is that the training works. you go after the shooter and you eliminate the shooter, like the officers have the authority in nashville to just go in. they went in unilaterally, right, as opposed to what we saw. there were so many officers that responded to your body, and yet they were still waiting. for some sort of management. green light, right? they were waiting for some commander. some person who's in charge to say, all right, let's go in. when the training tells you, you don't wait. you see those officers in nashville the minute they get on scene, the one officer is yelling for the team. let's go. let's go. i need three. let's go because they know that's what their training teaches them. you go in you go. you get your team together and you move in. every officer has a different responsibility and you work together. it started that way in your validate. but then
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what happened was the officers were fired on. they got scared and simply had they given themselves some cover and try to open the door. maybe they would have gone inside that class much sooner. you know, people also say in some defense of the holiday officers while you know everyone was already pretty much dead in that classroom, but we don't know that there were some people who were still alive when finally, after 77 minutes that they were pulled out and died later. of course, there were survivors, but every second that one of those kids who survived had to spend in their extra for no reason is just more trauma and more trauma and the trauma that these kids have been suffering from. being inside that classroom is really immeasurable, and you can measure it in time, and it's going to take them years to recovery. and i was just there on monday when nashville happened talking to these kids, and when they hear about school shootings, what it does to theme
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went up to the officer and said. there are two missing, right. great reporting is always shimon. thank you. vice president mike pence will not say one way or another if he's going to testify before a grand jury about his conversations with former president donald trump leading up to the insurrection. we're gonna have more on that when we come back. and as trump eyes, the oval office he's amping up his attacks on florida governor ron desantis again, but are any of his claims actually true fact check them. that's next. there's always a freshsh deal on the subway app like this 1 50% off that deals so good. wewe don't even need an eigight time all started telling you about it.
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testify about his conversations with donald trump leading up to the january 6th insurrection. the former vice president was asked about it just a short time ago in iowa. at the end of the day will obey the law. and but right now we're evaluating with the proper courses on me. reason to challenge a subpoena of a vice president in their role as president of the senate. um wasn't important constitutional argument to have and now for the first time ever federal court has recognized that those protections extend to a vice president. joining us now is cnn senior political analyst gloria borger. gloria always great to get your insight on these matters before we get into testifying before the grand jury, and all of the implications of that we have to acknowledge the backdrop. right. mike pence is in iowa. there's a presidential election looming, and he could potentially be running against the man that he
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may have to testify about. yeah that's a that's a bit of a problem for him. and so that's why he kind of straddles constantly when he talks about donald trump. he doesn't mention his name. unlike chris christie , who is the first candidate out there really to take on donald trump frontally, but in the end , i think, um, and this is a month or so ago talking to some pence advisers. i think there was always some sense that he would have to testify in some way before a grand jury. that's why i think they're not coming out right now and saying we're going to appeal this they want part of this case. and i think they understand as we should understand that at this point, this is not about what? mike pence. this is about donald trump. and this is about trying to learn whether he ever acknowledged that he lost the election and trying to find out some details about what he did and what he may or may not have asked mike pence to do to try and de certify it. so this is
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about discovering whether donald trump behaved unethically or maybe even criminally, and i think that's an uncomfortable position from mike pence to be in to say the least. but of course, he has firsthand knowledge of what trump was saying at the time to him very often privately. yeah, well, it may be uncomfortable for him to say in front of grand jury. he's written about it, though, and he said that he has nothing to hide and that he's going to obey the law. so gloria does this signal to you that he will ultimately do just that, and that he will before this grand tour. right it's hard to predict. i mean, not you can guess about it and say, you know, he was very active, saying, you know, we won this case about presiding over the senate and being the head of the senate. he didn't really talk about about the other case and what he wrote about in his book. bianna as you know, is that he had lunch with donald trump 13 days after the election
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and told him that he should accept defeat. and just think about running again in 2024. and maybe they want to know a little bit more about that kind of conversation. i'm sure there were many of those conversations. on the other hand , mike pence. you know, as boris points out, wants to not alienate that trump base in a state like iowa, where he's still quite quite popular. and so he's walking this kind of funny line, but if he's under subpoena you know, he can say i was forced to do this. so who knows? if they're going to appeal or not? we just don't know at this point. and looking forward to the political implications for a candidate pence. as you noted, he's doing this funny walk on a high wire in a way. is there an audience for him and the republican party that is receptive of that sort of trump without trump? message. yeah i think there is. look i think there is going to be a
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contest for evangelical voters, for example, who will be very socially conservative. and while they might really like donald trump, they may feel that their values at this point are more more in line with the mike pence . i think the question is going to be. how are these candidates going to take on donald trump without taking on donald trump? you've seen that with nikki haley. you've seen that with mike pence to a degree, mike pompeo, you know they can criticize the last administration as pompeo did on the on the debt. um and i think now we got chris christie out there who is actually being the only one out there now to say his name and to criticize him and say, you know, i couldn't support him after january 6th. and what's notable about that is that he was, i believe the first big name at least going back to 2016, who supported and endorsed donald trump at the time, and that was a pivotal moment. gloria how do you envision trump's camp responding now to
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pence and potential testimony? well the same way they've always responded to my pets. you know the president, uh, after january , 6th obviously pulled away from him on the decertification. you know, the president wanted the election decertified. um and they have not. they have not been friends. and if mike pence decides that he needs to testify and doesn't challenge it, the president could say, i hope he does the right thing and tells the truth, but he shouldn't cooperate with the weaponized. justice department. we we've heard all of that. and i'm sure we'll hear about it again and the former president will make himself the victim. but in the end and you hear mike pence now talk about the constitution all the time. he always says now that he did with the constitution told him to do and that he will abide by that. and that he didn't break any laws. and so that will be his refrain.
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yeah you can almost copy and paste some of these statements just based on how many times they put them out there, right. gloria borger. thank you so much for your perspective. thanks, guys. meantime, former president trump is continuing his attacks . excuse me on his potential 2024 republican rival, and that is florida. governor ron desantis. cnn's daniel dale fact check some of trump's claims about desantis. so daniel let's start with his claim that florida is the third worst in crime in the country. is that in fact true well, there's a handy trick for trying to make the country's most populous cities and states look like they're really bad on crime, and that is simply using their absolute totals without factoring in their population. so it is true that florida has as former president, trump said. the third most reported murders, rapes and aggravated assault. what he didn't mention is that that is largely because florida has the third largest most populous state. and so if you look at per capita figures, which is by far the fairer way to actually
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compare between states, florida fares notably better. it's 25th worst on murder, so right in the middle 33rd worst on reported rapes so better than the middle and 23rd worst on aggravated assault again right around the middle, so very important context that the former president is not mentioning here. daniel, something fascinating about the former president is his ability to meld recollections of things like stories change, as he tells them more and more, and there's one that he keeps telling about. yeah, about how desantis for governor because he saw the sentence defend him over his first impeachment battle. um, set the record straight on that one. this is an easy fact check and the fact checked is this could not possibly be true because the president's endorsement of then congressman desantis for florida governor came in mid 2018. the trump first impeachment battle began in late 2019, so he cannot possibly have seen him on tv,
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defending him on impeachment and then said, what the heck i'll endorse him for that reason. now it is possible that trump is thinking of the scientists defending him on the mueller russia probe in 2017, but trump is the one who keeps raising biden. gaffs as if you know they're a sign of serious mental decline or something like that. so i think it's important to point out when trump's own stories are similarly inaccurate. well to be fair. there have been several probes so one can understand how you may confuse them in what year they happened. and daniel trump also has been attacking desantis over his pandemic policies. and in a statement last week, trump claimed that desantis sealed all beaches and other places for ended for extended periods of time. is that one correct? this is an exaggeration. so it is true that governor desantis closed some beaches in florida. he didn't close all of them. in march, 2020. he ordered the closure of public beaches in broward and palm beach counties , too populous counties, but he would not order a statewide closure. in fact, he was sued unsuccessfully for refusing to do a statewide closure on the
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other beaches. he simply ordered that people limit their gatherings to no more than 10 people and stay six ft apart and we know that was in line with what then president trump and the trump administration. we're urging people to do at the time . so the descent disorder certainly did not come out of nowhere. alright daniel dale, keeping us honest by always fact checking everything. thank you so much. thank you. well on capitol hill, federal regulators are grilled over the recent bank failures that put the whole sector on notice and why they were caught off guard. we'll have new details up next. future is here. we've been creatating t for morere than 100 years. puttg the most advanced technology into people's hands. generation after generation. tool after tool. again and again, bringing you the broadest and most reliable network of service
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to helpn they auction it to their network of professional buyers. get more for your jewelry with worthy dot com jeremy diamond at the white house, and this is cnn. people in charge of regulating the country's banks were taken to task today by members of congress about what led to those failures at silicon valley bank and signature bank, the second and largest. rather the 2nd and 3rd largest bank collapses in u. s history. it's particularly ironic. it's the fed that's raising the interest rates and then the fed. that's not examining banks to see if they can survive if interest rates go up. ah, um uh, the concern we all have is, are there other banks that could go under? well joining us now is one of the congressman who sits on the financial services committee. congressman ritchie torres. always great to see you. thanks very much for coming up with us.
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what was notable about these bank collapses was just the sheer speed in which it all happened. i mean, just a matter of hours, and i know you and others have pointed to social media and their role in the bank runs that we saw in sioux afterwards. you have introduced legislation that require the government to monitor social media for warning other banks if , in fact that would indeed happen again. that may sound good in theory, but how would that actually work in practice? or the sheer speed of the silicon valley bank run. is historically unprecedented. so by way of illustration consider the following comparison washington mutual, which was the largest bank failure in american history, saw the loss of $16.7 billion over the course of 10 days. by contrast, silicon valley bank so the loss of 42 billion in the span of a few hours the difference between then and now is social media.
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social media has the power to amplify financial panic to an extent on a scale and at a pace that we've never seen before, and so i have legislation that would require banking regulators. to consider a new kind of financial risk social media risk, which has become a factor in causing bank runs, and one concern i have is that a foreign adversary a malicious foreign adversary could manufacture financial panic on social media in order to destabilize the american banking system, so that's a national security risk that we have to bear in mind as we move forward. yeah, that would be a nightmare congressman and as we've seen with so many other issues, misinformation online from maligned foreign actors, that is a very real possibility. i'm wondering on the legislation, though you have the treasury department essentially overseeing the potential for a social media bank run. why not put that responsibility on the banks themselves if they are already monitoring for things like fraud for their own
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potential weaknesses. is that a possibility as well? i mean, we should do both. i mean the banks themselves should monitor what is happening on social media, but it's important for the regulators to know. weather financial panic whether a bank run is coming so that we can intervene whenever there's a bank run in the making. time is of the essence, the sooner we can intervene. the quicker we can prevent a crisis, so it's all about ensuring that we're proactive and preventing contagion from spreading to the broader banking system. and the concern about potential contagion spreading. it still exists that this issue has not been laid to rest, and i'm wondering specifically in terms of rescuing and preventing any bank runs for smaller to midsize regional banks. would you support new legislation in which the f d i c effectively comes out and says that we ensure all depositors even those above 250,000. um i mean, i'm in favor
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of unlimited deposit insurance for a limited period of time. so that we can stabilize the banking system. i believe that the federal reserve should have put a pause on interest rates. um because these interest rates there's just too much happening too fast, and it's destabilizing the banking system. it's also worth noting that the banks are sitting on more than $600 billion and unrealized losses from securities. a powerful case could be made that the federal reserve reserve should purchase those securities and remove those losses from bank balance sheets because the problem is not the quality of the assets. the problem is that the duration these are long term assets and their values actually has the ability exactly right. so these are valuable assets and so there would be no harm in purchasing them and stabilizing the banking system. congressman ritchie torres. unfortunately we have to leave the conversation there, but i'm afraid we will have plenty to discuss in the coming weeks and months. good to see
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you, congressman. thank you. well in florida. it's statues, its books, and now there's a movie under review by a school district will explain just the latest controversy there up next . good morning, everyone we do begin with b breaking news. joining us now a are two lawmaks from different sides of the aisle also live in ukraine. dr sanjay gupta, clarissa ward, palestinian denmark. luxury. exemplified. innovation. electrified apple music seamlessly integrated. the all new all electric each us suv from mercedes benz c your dealer for exceptional offers on mercedes benz electric vehicles.
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the south. terrible way. a parent of a florida and second grader, filed a formal complaint after students watch the movie earlier this month, objecting to its use of slurs. they also argued that it could teach children that white people hate black people. cnn chief investigative reporter pamela brown is filling in for jake tapper on the lead, and pam i know you'll be speaking with the film screenwriter. yes we will be later on in the league coming up in the next hour. we're going to be speaking to tony and morrison johnson. rather she is a screenwriter for this film about ruby bridges, and we're going to get her reaction to the fact that now this film is under review in the school district in florida because of a parent coming forward and petitioning it and saying that it shouldn't be allowed in the classroom. you know, one of the key questions for her is what her reaction is.
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what does she say to this with this power? erin is arguing that second graders should not see this film because it might make it seem like white people hate black people. i mean, that is that the thrust of the argument and so we're going to ask her about that, and she has made clear that she believes that this film should be shown to second graders and that appearance don't want their child to see it. then they can opt out of it. but she firmly believes that film like this that is so important about the history of this country about ruby bridges, who was six years old and desegregated the school in new orleans in 1960 that that children who were seven and eight in second grade, they should be able to learn about this that teachers should be able to provide it. and if a parent wants to opt out they can. she believes that a parent should not impose their will. on what teachers can and cannot teach. and in this case, we know in this florida case. there was a permission slip that was sent home to parents, and they would could choose whether or not they wanted their child to watch this film. all but two signed it. and
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one of the two was this parent who is now objecting to the film, saying it shouldn't be shown in the school, so it'll be really interesting to hear tony johnson's perspective on this, she says. for her part, she was six years old when she was called the n word. we know ruby bridges with six year old six years old when she did desegregated the school and was also called the n word, so in her view, if a child can be called that and understand the meaning of that, then kids who are seven and eight and second grade, they should be able to learn about the history of racism in this country, so we're going to be able to talk about that with her coming up with the next hour. look forward to that interview. pamela brown. thank you so much. be sure to join pam at the top of the hour on the lead right here on cnn. thanks, pam. a rift in relations. perhaps president biden says that he won't invite israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu to visit the white house in the near term. how netanyahu is responding. that's next. my y most important kitchn
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there over netanyahu's attempts at remaking the judiciary. how much of all of that is putting a strain on netanyahu's relationship with the white house and president biden? well senior israeli government officials here are playing down the tension there saying that this is a tempest in a teapot. but i think what we've seen over the past few months since prime minister netanyahu has formed a government with some extreme right wing elements is that the tensions with the white house have grown. it was just a few months ago that secretary of state antony blinken was here trying to talk to prime minister netanyahu calm tensions between israelis and palestinians and try to persuade netanyahu and his government not to expand settlements. but since that conversation, the government here has ignored that advice. so i think what we're seeing from president biden, who said look, essentially, i hope that prime minister netanyahu is going to
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make a compromise over the issue of the judicial reforms. but let's wait and see. so this is sort of the latest phase in that in that tension and the same israeli government official who said look, you know, let's play this down, has also said well when it comes to the discussions with the leaders of the opposition, the prime minister is saying so far they're going well. but he added, look, the prime minister has got red lines on those judicial reforms as well. so i think at the moment, it's a really an open question. whether or not netanyahu is going to dial back to the city. efficiency of the opposition here to the sufficiency of the protesters. and to the sufficiency of the white house. i think at the moment we can expect these tensions to continue. yeah, these are two men who have known each other going back. some 40 years doesn't always mean that they got along for those 40 years, but they do have a long history with each other. nick robertson. thank you. today the fda approved the first over the
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it's just a nose spray, just like you would use, say an allergy nose spray and it works really well right now. you as we speak, you can get it. get it at drugstores. but you have to ask the pharmacy for it. you don't need a prescription, but you do have to ask the pharmacist. it's behind the counter, so the hope is by moving it on the shelves, which is expected to happen later this year by moving it on the shelves next to the aspirin or the toothpaste of the shampoo that people will be able to buy it more. easily and let's take a look at why this is so important . this is a graph that shows drug deaths from 2020. i'm sorry 1999 to 2021. you can see how swiftly they have grown. these are opioid overdose, drug deaths . and so what we have now is that in 2021, there were more than 80,000 opioid drug. deaths in the united states and nearly 9000 children and teens died between 1999 and 2016 from
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opioids. and so the two questions that are basically left outstanding is a why didn't the fda do this sooner? a lot of people said they should have done this years ago when we're asking for years ago, and then the second one is how much will narcan or naloxone cost when it goes over the counter? if the cost is high, and we don't know what it's going to be, if it's hot okay, then all of this really might be for not because people won't be able to afford to buy it, boris bianna. still a significant question to be answered. elizabeth cohen, thanks so much for the update. and thank you so much for watching today. the lead with jake tapper starts right now. some answers, but the big question remains. why the lead starts right now. the police chief says they have yet
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