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a fiber freelancer. former vice president mike pence joins wolf blitzer, cnn primetime tonight at nine. top of the hour this thursday. i'm jim sciutto. great to be with you, jim. hi, everyone. i'm jessica dean. and any moment now, officials at fort campbell in kentucky will be giving everyone an update after two blackhawk helicopters collided overnight, killing nine u. s service members that is, according to an army official. we're standing by for that, and we'll bring it to you live as soon as it happens. the governor among those who will speak their plus russia has now arrested an american journalist, it says on suspicion of espionage. even draskovic, a reporter for the wall street journal, detained in a small town east of moscow, the wall street journal strongly defending their reporter, the kremlin says. he was caught red handed, refuses to offer any details their track record on this kind of thing. begs a lot

of questions. we're going to have details ahead. we begin this hour with that tragedy in kentucky again. we're waiting for that press conference to begin at any moment. but first cnn pentagon correspondent oren liebermann joining us with more or in what are you learning this morning? the latest update we got from the u. s army official was that nine service members were killed when these two h 60 black hawk helicopters crashed. we're trying to learn more details about what the crash exactly was whether it was a collision with each other a collision with some other object. those are the key questions right now, and perhaps some of those will be answered in just a few moments when we expect a press conference to start now. all right. it sounds like that's starting now. so let's listen in the army has deployed an aircraft safety team from fort rucker, alabama, who arrived later today and will immediately initiate an investigation to help us understand what caused this crash. in order to prevent accidents like this from happening again. this is a truly tragic loss for our families.

our division. and fort campbell. and our number one priority is caring for the families and the soldiers within our combat aviation brigade. our entire fort campbell community is surging resources and support. and our thoughts and prayers are with these families and these soldiers during this difficult time. ladies and gentlemen, governor bashir would like to deliver some short remarks. good morning. today is a tough and a tragic day for kentucky. for the four campbell and for the 101st. the nine individuals. we lost our children of god. they will be mourned and missed by their families. by their communities. we are blessed to live in the freest country in the history. planet earth, but we must

remember. but that freedom relies on those who are willing to serve. some of which pay the ultimate price. you know a lot about loss in kentucky, especially these last three years. we're going to do what we always do. we're gonna wrap our arms around these families. and we're going to be there with them, not just for the days, but the weeks and the months and the years to come. we're gonna let them know that they are loved. they are special. and if they'll allow us to carry some of their grief. we'll do that for as long as we can. my faith teaches me that while while the body is mortal soul is eternal, and we will see them again. this morning, i talked to governor bill lee, who expressed history for this loss and his similar commitment to these families. there are no state lines. when it comes to taking care. of these families and helping them

with their grief. finally i also want to thank the first responders who came from the entire region there on the ground immediately after this incident, doing everything that they could. the first responders included the kentucky state police. trigg county emergency management, trig and christian county sheriff's offices. trig and marshall county rescue squads. east golden pond and other trigg county fire departments, trick county e. m s and the christian county emergency management. fort campbell. we love all the people that live here and work here. they are part of our community of who we are. they're lost. today is our loss, and we're gonna stand with both those that are here today and again. we're gonna make sure that these families know that they are loved and they are not alone.

thank you. ladies and gentlemen , i'm prepared to answer your questions. yes, ma'am. what is this training entailed. yes ma'am. this is a training progression, and specifically, they were flying a multi ship formation. two ships under night vision goggles at night. that's right. channel four out of nashville. for folks unfamiliar with the training exercises. um, is it typical to have that many people on the helicopter was five and four or how many were on each helicopter is a typical to have that many on a helicopter and that sort of training exercise. yes sir. it was five and four, and that is fairly typical. there's a pilot and co pilot crew chief, and then often you'll have medics or other personnel. on the aircraft as well. yes, ma'am. um we have

a safety team coming from fort rucker, alabama, who specialize in aircraft safety and specifically these investigations. we hope to have them on the ground sometime later today. and they're bringing a very diverse and talented team that will look at every possible contributing factor. and i think in a short time, we will have a much better understanding of what may have contributed to the to this accident. yes, ma'am. morning helicopters based here in fort campbell. yes ma'am. thank you. they were all based at fort campbell in 101st airborne division. yes, ma'am.

interesting word equally here. can you just give us a little. or a variant of the black hawk, in this specific desantis aircraft were medical evacuation aircraft. however we believe that they were the action occurred when they were doing flying, not deliberate medical of actual evacuation drills. correct. yes, ma'am. yes, ma'am. at this point, we don't know. we're hopeful that when we get the team from fort rucker here, and they're able to pull some of the data out of the on board computers that will have a better understanding of exactly what happened. yes, ma'am. the signal radioing for health or anything like that happening? no, ma'am. yes, ma'am. location

as to where the crash happened. what's it in and. yes ma'am. despite our losses, we were lucky because they're able to land in an open field across from a residential area. so thankfully, there were no additional casualties or injuries as a result of the aircraft crash. yes sir. abc on nashville. are these helicopters you talked about getting data from members equipment like a black box likely here. passenger planes go down or is it for this computer type instruments situated yes, sir. they do have something very similar to the black boxes that we see on the larger aircraft. and we're hopeful that that will provide quite a bit of information of what what occurred. yes, ma'am. do you expect to reach out to the please. yes ma'am. we

started next of kin notification early this morning. we have some family members that are in the local area that we were able to contact fairly quickly, but we also have some family members across the united states and a few outside of the united states , so that product process is ongoing. um we're doing everything we can to notify families as quickly as we can. but i don't have a good estimation on when the final notifications will occur. yes, ma'am, sir. ktc. have any sort of an estimate. as to the rapid response time that's been talked about a lot in average time wish for cable and trick county christian county were able to respond. yeah i don't have an actual response time. but i will tell you that we know that. um they responded incredibly quickly, and, um, immediately established communication with our leadership here at fort campbell. and then jointly we were able to secure that location and get the right folks there to start. helping at the

site. yes, ma'am. was there any transports to medical facilities, hereby, or worse? so no, ma'am. there were no transports off the car site. yes, sir. howard how was the post made aware of the crash? where they breathe? being monitored by radar was their radio communication, or was it people in the area that called number? yes we had other aircraft in the vicinity, so we were actually notified via multiple means. one was by the trick. county um, first responders was was one of the calls and then we also had aircraft that were able to quickly move to that location. and actually stayed overhead for quite some time. we'll take two more questions. yes ma'am. box 17 in nashville when to your knowledge, or ever did something like this happened here at fort campbell derma training exercise. um that i will have to follow up with you. i'm not sure

of the actual date of the last accident, especially to this extent, but i can follow up with you after this with an answer. yes, ma'am. going forward. how will you take extra safety precautions to ensure that this doesn't happen? yeah that's that's a great question. everything we do, um safety is integrated into this and for context when we do any training , but especially aviation training. they do very, very detailed, planning very detailed rehearsals, depending on the risk of the operation they're doing has different levels of approval from the command. so we will always relook our safety precautions in our measures, but this was like all of these training events. safety is a primary focus for us. thank you. thank you all for attending. this concludes the press conference, you'll be able to find a press kit with the q r code provided if you didn't get one will provide one to you. and

again. you were getting an update there on that helicopter crash what they called a truly tragic loss. we know that nine service members were killed, they were flying two blackhawk helicopters, five soldiers and 14 in the other. getting more details. it was it happened at night. they were using night vision i want to bring in cnn's oren liebermann, who is still with us from the pentagon, cnn military analyst lieutenant general mark hertling, former commanding general for the u. s. army europe and seventh army. great to have you both with us or in let's start first with you walk us through what we've learned now about the training and what was going on. when this collision. this crash happened. this crash of these two h h. 60. black hawk helicopters happened last night as part of a training exercise we learned from brigadier general john lucas there he is the deputy commander for operations for the 101st airborne division, and he gave us some more information about what was happening here. as you pointed out, there were five

soldiers on board one of the helicopters for on board the other and he said, that's typical in terms of the crew that would be on board these black hawk helicopters, helicopters that are specific variant of the black hawk. for medical evacuations in terms of the crew, that would be a pilot copilot, a crew chief as well as some medics onboard the blackhawks themselves when the crash occurred now it's unclear what the circumstances were. that led to the crash, whether it was a collision between these two helicopters that were flying in a two ship formation, whether they collided with something else at low altitude or whether it was some other circumstance that led to these crashes. that killed the nine service members on board the helicopters. there were no survivors. we learned a short time before the print press conference, according to a u s army official. he did say he hopes that we learn more soon because there will be an investigative team or investigations team coming from fort rucker, alabama, that he hopes will arrive in a short time they will be able to look at some of the data on board from the helicopters themselves , he said. those are similar to

black boxes what we would look at from a civilian aircraft crash, which would be something like a car. cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder. and he was looking to those who give some more information about the circumstances that led to the crash or the moments before the crash. he said. emergency responders actually was governor andy bashir, who said emergency responders from a number of different services and a number of different areas near fort campbell in kentucky, right by the kentucky tennessee. lying arrived on scene very quickly after the crash. ah but at that point late because of the circumstances of the crash as we learned again, nine service members killed in the crash nine soldiers members of the 101st airborne division, there were no survivors. and now the question what happened that led to this and of course, the efforts on the part of the army to reach out to the family members of those who were killed here, jim and jessica gallagher in fort campbell. we also have general mark hertling, who's of course, served for many years and flew many times in black hawk helicopters. mark general hertling in your experience

here. ah, a couple of points, one. the fact that a medevac helicopter was was part of this . what does that tell us and just the danger as well of nighttime operations, even even during exercises. yeah, a couple of things. jim and orange summed it up very well on a black hawk . there are always two pilots and pilot and a copilot. and there are always two crew chiefs both on the left and right doors , so one helicopter had their crew. the other one had an additional passenger more than likely a medic in the back. ahh helicopters have the medevac helicopters. the ones with the big red cross on the side are there to evacuate wounded soldiers, so they were training in the evacuation. and when you had that one other soldier in the back more than likely a medic but in the back of those hh helicopters, there are cassettes that you can load up litters and, uh, that you put wounded soldiers onto and carry

them away from the battlefield. the other thing that point out that this is all happening at night u. s army trains continuously at night, but that's a challenge for aviators . they have to do it. but when you're talking about night vision goggles when you're flying an aircraft, and i'll demonstrate pardon me for this, but you have to goggles like this in front of you. her face and that's where you can see using the illumination from whatever is out there. stars moonlight last night i looked it up. the moon rose at noon yesterday. it's set at 3 59 this morning, so they had good moonlight about 50% illumination from moon illumination last night, and that helps see with night vision goggles. the problem is, it's a limited scope of, uh, being able to see because you're literally reduce used just the two soda straws of your binoculars. the other thing i would say, you know, they're they're gonna look through. what

might have happened is orange said also, it could have been a wire strike. the aircraft could have hit each other. they could have you know, their tail rotor could have hit a tree as they were coming off the landing zone or going into the landing zone. that's why general lupus said that they were going to bring in experts. there's a safety center at fort rucker, alabama, that immediately sends out teams to investigate these kind of crashes. the last point i'd make well, two more. if i'm a gym, general lucas. i noticed i don't know him. but when he stepped away from the podium, i noticed he had 201st patches on his left and his right sleeve. that means he's been to combat with this unit. he knows the capabilities of this air assault unit with helicopters, and he mentioned how much planning goes into any kind of helicopter operations. that's critical to understand. the last point i'd make is, you know the majority of us army soldiers today are married, more than 60% are married. so when you're talking about the north

station and next to kin, you have to go. go to both, you know , potentially wives and children , spouses and children as well as family members. yeah good point. that's a great point and so much context there and again just to remind everybody we were told in that press conference that they are in the process of notifying next of kin that they're spread out, not just in that general area but across the country and the world. i want to go to diane gallagher, who's on the ground there. diane what more are you learning about the recovery and response effort there? so general hertling mentioned that the safety team coming in from fort rocker will be here. they're going to sort of put that together and asking , trying to get to the scene or anything like that. i was told it would be several hours before we would be able to get closer to the scene there. intrigue county and look county, a rural kentucky county but part of fort campbell actually is within that county. it's a sprawling installation that straddles the tennessee and kentucky line. i lived here as a kid. i'm an army brat. this is their service

members and their families who live out in trig. county. it's rural and, according to kentucky state police, where this crash happened was a field in a wooded area and there were no other civilian injuries, casualties impact whatsoever. there were plenty of witnesses who described hearing a pop and then the helicopters crashing. i do think that it's important that brigadier general lewis said that they were flying. they believe when this happened that they do not believe there was something else going on. they do believe that they were flying when this happened, noting again that this was a multi ship formation under night vision goggles, uh, mentioning jessica the fact that they are still working to notify next of kin. the fact that some of them are outside of the united states or across the country here, trying to make sure that they do that, they said before they have any sort of identification is released of these members of the 101st. it was a planned training flight. they this is something they said. a lot goes into this.

they work to do this. the governor andy beshear, coming out here and speaking he got here this morning. he was initially one of the first confirmed there were, in fact, a tallit ease in this crash soon after 101st doing the same again , all nine members of those two blackhawk helicopters died in this crash just before around. 10 pm, central times. 11 p.m. eastern time. they also noted that there was no sort of radioing. there was no signal or call for help before this happened. there was no notification to anybody back here at the post or any sort of anybody else to let them know that perhaps something was going wrong. general hertling made the point in night vision goggles. your field of vision is limited. we'll see if that was a factor here. diane gallagher. lieutenant general mark hertling. thanks so much to both of you. and let's turn now to an alarming headline out of russia this morning. american journalist evan gorski vich is right now in russian custody

after the wall street journal reporter who is based in moscow , was arrested on suspicion of espionage. cnn's jeremy diamond standing by at the white house. first we go to cnn senior international correspondent matthew chance who is in moscow. i wonder matthew how russian authorities are describing this at this point. well they're absolutely kind of committed to the idea that this individual 11 girls, covic, 32, year old reporter for the wall street journal, was not was up to no good. the foreign ministry saying that he whatever he was doing in yekaterinburg, russian city, 1100 miles or so from moscow. it was nothing to do with journalism within the past hour or so, a court in moscow where he's been arraigned, has designated his case top secret, it's revealed in a press statement. that goes. covic has . um denied guilt. he hasn't accepted that he is guilty of

espionage. and so they've remanded him in custody in a pretrial detention center. we don't know exactly where, but probably here in moscow for nearly two months, until may, the 29th. and so that may well be the next time we catch a glimpse of this 32 year old american citizen. there's been a brief media scrum outside the courthouse where that decision was handed down. the lawyer who has been designated dated to defend evan gush covic came out and said, look, i wasn't even permitted access to the case. i haven't even been allowed to take part in the process. and so that does not bode well for the prospects of this young wall street journal reporter who now faces these very serious charges, which remember carry a maximum sentence of 20 years in a russian jail. mm hmm. all right, matthew. thank you for that reporting. i want to go now to jeremy diamond at the white house. jeremy, the wall street journal, which employs him,

released a statement saying the wall street journal is deeply concerned for the safety of mr gerst devic. what more are us officials in the white house saying this morning, jeremy. yeah that's right. jessica the wall street journal also said that they have vehemently deny any of these spying charges that are being leveled against their reporter. the white house has yet to release a formal statement on this matter. but what i can tell you is that white house officials and state department officials have been working together information about his arrest, the state department actually began tracking this matter yesterday before news of his detention and ultimate arrest actually became public. this is obviously going comes at a time of severe tensions between the united states and russia over russia's invasion of ukraine, and this is going to be yet another facet of the diplomatic tensions between these two countries, and you can expect that this is going to be at the very top of president

biden's intelligence briefing this morning and going to become a top priority for this white house, which we have seen in the past when americans are detained that they do work with governor. moments with actors, a third party actors as well as individuals, families to try and secure their release, but a very concerning situation that's going to become a top priority here at the white house today, we should note russia's track record on this does not inspire confidence. they often trump up charges. we had adam schiff on in the last hour. just riding him in effect as a hostage and the trouble. of course, they can often be an attention for years . ongoing negotiations for the release of paul whelan, also accused of espionage. how does this factor into those efforts? yeah, that's right. and you'll recall jim that you know the u. s. tried to secure paul whelan's released alongside the release of brittney griner back in december grinder was released in a prisoner swap in exchange for the russian convicted russian arms dealer viktor bout's russia

would only accept a one for one swap rather than the two for one that the us had originally proposed. and so this now further complicates matters as it relates to efforts to secure paul whelan's released because now you once again following a situation where there are two america dickens, who have been accused of spying. one paul whelan, who was already convicted to 16 years in prison . and now evan gersh devic, who faces a similar charges, and we know that you know when you see the kremlin already coming out and saying that they believe that they have caught this reporter quote unquote red handed that significantly decreases the possibility of this being ruled some kind of misunderstanding. instead it appears that this is following russia's playbook of using americans. imprisoned on trumped up charges as bargaining chips. jim yeah. as you said, jim, they don't have a great track record on this jeremy diamond at the white house for us. thanks so much for that reporting still to come this morning, nothing to hide. that's what former vice

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within the next few minutes. it's remarkable to watch because this is the latest in a string of derailments that are leaving many communities across the country in fear. cnn's gabe cohen is following the story for us game in this particular case, ethanol leaking here. it's a dangerous chemical. what do we know about the spill and what might have caused the derailment? and so, jim jessica, we just got an update from epa. and to be clear this is still a developing story, but the agency did offer us some more information about the derailment and that spill so that the agency says of four cars containing ethanol, a highly flammable product caught fire and continue to burn for additional cars carrying ethanol may also released. the local fire department is currently the lead for the response and ordered a mandatory evacuation of the city and that evacuation remains. in place. and as you mentioned jim ethanol is this very dangerous chemical exposure can lead to coughing, dizziness , burning eyes, drowsiness and so first responders. are really

taking this seriously at the scene to be clear at this point . there are no injuries reported and the cause of that derailment is still under investigation. we have learned that the ntsb is now sending their own team to investigate. but as you can see on your screen, several cars were ignited in this derailment and have burned for hours at forced those evacuations, everyone within a half mile of this site in this small town raymond, minnesota, the population there less than 1000 people. and this comes nearly two months after that derailment in east palestine. several incidents but that one the highest profile, which also caused a large fire and evacuation. and, of course, those concerns, health concerns environmental concerns, and so this is a very active scene. we know the governor is heading there now, and we'll have more. updates throughout the morning. jim jessica just amazing how many we've seen in recent weeks. get gabe cohen thanks so much for following today. russia is

clarifying its stance on missile testing, saying it will still give the us advanced notice when it conducts tests. clarification comes after moscow said it would be suspending all nuclear notifications with the u. s. this is russia continues. to falter on water down aspects of a critical nuclear deal they've had for decades with the us cnn's natasha bertrand joins us now, tasha lots of back and forth about this right because the foreign minister's statement was it seemed deliberately confusing yesterday. so what notices is russia going to give now? and which notices aren't they going to get yeah. there was some confusion yesterday, with the deputy foreign minister, initially saying that the russians would not be providing any kind of notification to the u. s under the new start treaty, which is that bilateral nuclear treaty between the us and russia that russia actually pulled out of suspended its participation in just last month that was taken to mean that that would include all notifications to include these missile tests will now the

deputy foreign minister is coming out and clarifying and saying that actually, there is a separate 1988 agreement under which the u. s and russia. to have agreed to inform each other of when they conduct these missile launches and that russia will continue to abide by that agreement. but look, there's still a lot of questions here about how much the u. s can rely on russia to actually tell the united states right because, as i mentioned they did suspend their participation in the new start treaty last month, and that has raised a lot of concerns among us officials about how the u. s and russia are essentially going to keep track of each other's nuclear posture as well. as the warheads that they have the missiles, etcetera, and actually, it was a senior pentagon official testifying just the other day on capitol hill, who revealed for the first time that when the us reached out to the russians recently to get a sense as part of that agreement for nuclear for russia's nuclear posture, its capabilities, something that the u. s and russia exchange twice a year, the russians

informed them that they would not be giving the americans that information anymore. well, in response, the u. s. says that it is not going to give that information to russia anymore, either. so that kind of line of communication just determining, you know, both countries' nuclear capabilities here and the amount of warheads each country has that has appeared to be suspended. however the actual notification of when russia conducts a missile launch, for example, that will continue important gym because it could help avoid some serious miscalculations by both countries. yeah, fascinating. alright natasha bertrand with that update for us a critical update. thanks so much. let's continue the conversation now with john wolfstahl. he's a nuclear expert who formerly served as senior director at the national security council. this under president obama. john good to have you on this morning. thanks for having me. alright so help us understand where we stand now because there's been a gradual watering down of nuclear agreements that pulling out of the new the intermediate nuclear

forces treaty, pulling back from some of the notifications as required under start, but also open threats to use nuclear weapons right in and around ukraine. what actually remains of the notifications and the other parts of the start treaty right now, in the wake of this so very little. unfortunately both russia and the united states have said that even though they won't be providing the notifications every six months of how many nuclear forces they have, where they're located, and movements of those forces that both sides will stay under the limits established by the treaty. under new start, both sides will have no more than 1550 offensive strategic nuclear weapons deployed. and we believe the u. s government has said. we believe that russia continues to be under that limit . but natasha was exactly right that the transparency that predictability that the information the two sides of

exchanged is important both for tracking how many they have and what they're trying to do with them, and the loss of that information is dangerous. russia's behavior really undermines its own security and our security and we have to recognize this is a tactic that vladimir putin is trying to use. to scare europe to divide the west so that we don't support ukraine and i think we have to be cautious not to play into that narrative. i think president biden has been very, very cautious about this. but at the same time, i don't think we should race to the bottom and just replicate russia's behavior because i don't think that's in our interest. these treaties were designed partly to limit nuclear forces deployed warheads, etcetera, but also to reduce that the chances for miscalculation that one side reads another sides move exercise test as an actual threat offensive operation. does this put us closer, the two nations closer to this reading each other. absolutely um, look, we have spent the last 50 years trying to build up a pattern of

behavior levels of transparency , exchanges of information norms of acting that russia is now actively undermining and to be fair. the trump administration also pulled out of a number of treaties. they made it easier for russia to actually behave this way and not suffer international condemnation. but the reality is that in my view, we are at the most dangerous point in terms of our nuclear relationship with russia than we were since before gorbachev in the mid 19 eighties. we no longer have confidence that russia is going to act in a reasonable way, and russia is increasingly flying blinds. because their intelligence is not as good as ours. their satellites aren't as good as ours, so they need this information. in fact, more than we do, and in fact, i would argue and have mentioned to my friends in government. but i don't think we should just say to russia. okay, you're gonna pull back. we're going to pull back because they're the ones who benefit if the world gets closer to the nuclear brink, not us if i could ask you before we go because you have another nuclear player, major nuclear player here that, of course,

being china, and there are no treaties between the us and china to limit nuclear warheads, etcetera. in fact, u. s. officials have warned quite publicly that china is rapidly expanding its nuclear arsenal. where where does that put us given the not just declining relations with russia, but but openly hostile? more and more relations between the us and china? well first, i think we have to be cautious. china is building up its nuclear forces. but the us has about 4000 nuclear weapons and china has about 400. so we still outnumber them 10 to 1. now that may not be the case in 20 years, but right now, that is the case. we can deter china at the nuclear level, but it's i think, another reason why we shouldn't just adopt russia's now very opaque lack of transparency. what we want to do is establish a high bar and be able to go to russia and china and say, look, this is the way of responsible country behaves. you actually notify each other when you have nuclear operations. when you test missiles when you move these things from one place to another, because things can get out of hand. it wasn't that long ago that a russian aircraft

bumped a u. s drone over the black sea. and it wasn't that long ago when a chinese aircraft down u. s aircraft over hainan island, so these things can spiral quickly and the u. s. should be trying to create the flow of information that avoids that are possible. yeah we were chinese surveillance balloon flew over the continental us before being shot down. you have these interactions, john wolf stock. good to have you on. i'm sure we'll be keeping up the conversation. okay. thank you. brand new audio from a nashville emergency center as the former classmate of that shooter made a call for help. it was just minutes after the deadly gunfire that killed six people at a nearby elementary school. what that call reveals, we'll talk about it next. is it real quick? ah! i just sold the car to car vanna. what to o do is answer a couple of questionss and got a real offer in seconds. then they just picked up the car right on the spot. your car at carbonneau .com today. about the same, hmm

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words of area rihanna patton to a non emergency dispatcher here in nashville. ah shortly as this shooting rather was playing out , so we know that patent receives this direct message from the 28 year old shooter a little bit before the shooting gets underway on monday. it's a little bit before 10 o'clock in the morning. now she calls a suicide prevention hotline and someone there tells her look, you should probably call the sheriff's office, she finally gets ahold of someone at the sheriff's office and they tell her you need to call a non emergency phone number. by the time she reaches someone at that phone number. it is now 10 at 21 in the morning and the shooting is well underway. now. what's unclear at this hour is exactly why pat and kept being passed from one department to another. it's quite possible that she just had very little information to pass along. she did not know the shooter's name and did not have an address for where the shooter lived. here now is just a part of that phone call. i was

seeing a very, very weird message from a friend or instagram. i think it's like a suicidal thinking. i called the hotline and they told me, says department on the car, you guys so i'm just trying to ge can anybody are you don't want it on my conscience is somebody check on her? only thing i have is our instagram. i want to see her in middle school, but i don't. i don't know. no friends, no numbers or anything like that. you don't know her address. mhm. i don't. i don't have her address. okay unfortunately, we can't send anything up without an address. we're told that several hours would pass by before eventually, uh, law enforcement was able to make a contact with patton one final note this morning. we're also learning about the first two funerals of the six victims of this school shooting evelyn dick

house. one of the nine year olds that was killed is going to be laid to rest tomorrow friday, and then a funeral service is scheduled to take place. for hayley scruggs on saturday. guys. funerals for 29 year old little girls, carlos suarez. thanks so much for covering. still become this morning. former vice president mike pence says he has nothing to hide, but it still isn't clear how he'll respond to george judge ordering him to testify in the january 6th probe will discuss it all that's next. so whwho climbs ladders to clean n their gutter? dad. i keep telling you, it's dangerous. climbing ladders is too dangerous. lee filtlter puts an end to thatat. so how does it work? lee filters three piece system filters out leaves and debris water flow through freely. do we need to replace our gutters? great question filter could be installed right on top of your existing gutters

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week and sorting out what our next steps are obviously have nothing to hide. i've been speaking about those days writing about them extensively over the last two years. joining me now to talk about today's political headlines. we've got usa today, white house correspondent francesca chambers and boston globe washington bureau chief jackie cosign. it's great to see both of you, francesca. let's start first with you. we just heard from vice president pence there in that clip is pretty tight lipped about everything, but he is in iowa. and i think that's worth remembering even though he hasn't announced a 2024 run yet. he has a very different approach than trump to all of this yet he also maybe running for president. how does he thread this needle? well he's not claiming executive privilege like trump is in these cases, he's actually arguing a constitutional basis essentially for him not to testify because of the role he played overseeing the senate on january 6th and you hit the nail on the head

there. he wants to be president . he's expected to run for president. so for him. this is about protecting his ability if he does run and end up for future presidents in office. jackie if vice president pence does decide to run, he is obviously dealing with the ghosts of 2020 and january 6th. he's trying to separate himself from former president trump, who would be a gop rival. where does this put him with the gop base as he seeks to win primaries? you know, it's been really interesting to watch him because he has gone to the line of confronting former president trump and then he has dialed it back. he said that trump threatened his family, he said that history will judge him. and yet in another interview, he would say that he doesn't know that he would support him. he wouldn't say if he would support him if he was the nominee, so he seems to be taking the tax. you see a lot of the former

president's advisers, or, um, officials doing is he's trying to go around and not through the former president and in order to defeat him one day, that's that's what's going to happen happen. you're gonna have to go through. you're gonna have to take that. that knockout punch. francesca i want to talk about some polling a new fox poll showing trump is gaining ground among republican voters. 56% say they want trump as their 2024 nominee. desantis is at 24% you can see that polling now on your screen. trump has doubled his lead on to santa since they took that same poll in february. and this is happening at the same time as trump has been really sharpening his attacks on desantis. do you think that there is a correlation there or do you think it's also having to do with the fact that desantis is more in the spotlight now? republicans would say the latter who i've spoken to that desantis is in the in the spotlight, so he's taking some hits. but if you look at a quinnipiac

university poll that was released this week, also, there's another factor here, which is that republicans say by and large that they share trump's opinion on these investigations into him. they share his opinion that they are politically motivated. they do not think that if he was indicted that that would be disqualifying, so he is winning the political argument within the republican party. now, if you go broader than that, of course, you have most americans saying that they believe that these are serious allegations levied against him and potentially the indictment in the manhattan district attorney's office. but even with independence if you're looking at these numbers, you are seeing that that trump's version of this this argument is swaying many of them too. right and obviously you make a great point. this is really a discussion that has to be separated out between a primary race and a general election racing and how people would feel about that, jackie. i want to go back to the point you just made because i think it's so smart and write that who, if anyone is going to beat former president trump, they're going to have to go through. not around him and

ron desantis we saw when they announced around this manhattan d a s case we saw him kind of take some jabs. at trump and essentially kind of making the case. look, i can have trump policy but not carry his baggage. essentially do you think he's capable of delivering that of going through former president trump instead of around. i think we're just going to have to wait and see eric and i hate answering it like that. but it's so early and what you're seeing right now is former president trump trying to define governor desantis. you're seeing it on true social yet, although he's clearly threatened by him now how desantis has has , you know, um does let's say on a debate stage. let's say how he confronts trump that is really going to matter here and when he says to donors is one thing. he's not a chaos agent what he says when he's actually confronted. we've seen a lot of candidates fall by the wayside in you, and uh and in republican primaries to the former president, and that's going to be his biggest test as we go

forward. yes there's no question about it, how he will react to your point on a debate stage or when these attacks continue and get sharper. francesca chambers jackie houston it thanks so much to both of you always good to see you. and be sure to tune in tonight when cnn's wolf blitzer sits down with former vice president mike pence for a wide ranging interview on everything from his political future to the investigations into former president trump again, it's tonight at nine p.m. eastern, right here on cnn. and thanks so much for joining us today. i'm jessica dean. and i'm jim sciutto at the sour with amber walker starts right after a quick break. works hard at our one twice as hard when you take it again the next day, so betty can be the code beat conductor go, betty must be more than our allergies. z's the day with zyrtec fernando live outside of boston. i've been with consumer cellular for five years.

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