meso book .com. we proudly help veterans with mesothelioma. call for a free book 1 808 220400 or go to miso book .com. no sitting or former president has ever been charged with a crime until now, so they're not coming after me. they're coming after you and i'm just standing in their way. i think the unprecedented indictment of a former president of the united states on a campaign finance issue is an outrage that crime was enough for me to be charged, find, convicted and sent to prison. why am i any different than donald trump? today the rule of law in the united states america died. i think this is a much stronger case than people recognize. you follow the facts doesn't matter. what party you are doesn't want your backgrounds. what did you do? and what does the law say? this is literally legal voodoo. this is political persecution. this is a combination of political

hatred and selective prosecution on steroids. this is necessary, but obviously it's a momentous and tragedy. good morning, everyone and here we are unprecedented moment in american history. donald trump, now the first ex president in the history of this country to be indicted and face criminal charges, charges, sources are telling cnn he is facing more than 30 counts related to business fraud here in new york . he is expected to turn himself in. on tuesday. the manhattan district attorney's case is centered around the accounting of hush money payments to stormy daniels. we've learned about the grand jury's historic decision. we learned about that last night katelyn polantz some members of trump's camp or caught off guard because his legal team was speculating that maybe this case

by the manhattan d a was falling apart. so later this hour. one of trump's current attorneys is going to join us live. also this morning. i want to show you just what everyone is waking up to and reading. these are some of the morning's front pages is down, has been talking about here and showing us what whatever is looking at every major newspaper around the country. the new york times this morning trump indicted above the fold. here thing. trump indicted over hush money payments above the fold washington post as well just to show you a grand jury indicted trump and, of course, always the orthodox headline. you see there, the center the gathering storm e from the um, new york post here, but as you saw the full screen of all the papers there of the former president's picture and what is happening, that's in every major newspaper around the country. right now. i want to talk about how we got here. and what is going on what we can expect going forward. i

want to bring in now our senior legal affairs correspondent paula reid, she has been following this from the very beginning. good morning to you. what do you learning about? still the indictment and what we have to go through, and it is still yet. to be unsealed. it's amazing. even the former president's attorney still don't know the charges that he has been that have been filed under seal. that's because they want to treat him the same way they would treat any other defendant and what we expected to see on tuesday is that he will go before judge you'll be fingerprinted. he will be photographed again. they want this to be like any other case, but don, we know this is unlike any other case in us history. a manhattan grand jury voting to indict former president donald trump thursday while the case is still under seal sources tell cnn he faces more than 30 counts related to business fraud. the former president, responding to the indictment, calling the manhattan district attorney alvin bragg, a disgrace and claiming the entire

investigation is a witch hunt to fight. you know, he's the toughest guy. no. shocked you know, because we really were. i was shocked today. the rule of law in the united states america died, indictment concludes a years long probe investigating a hush money payment to adult film star stormy daniels to remain silent about an alleged affair with trump and affair. trump denies relies in part on the testimony of trump's former personal attorney, michael cohen , who has in the past pleaded guilty to nine federal crimes, including lying, convicted felon. i am a disbarred lawyer, but i also brought the documents. there's plenty of testimony corroborating testimony to go around paid daniels $130,000 just weeks before the 2016 presidential election, according to court

filings. the trump organization reimbursed cohen $420,000. it's a fight against his rejection of truth and his manufacturing of stories that really motivated her. the manhattan district attorney's office was also asking questions during the grand jury proceedings about karen macdougal. she was paid $150,000 by the company that publishes the national enquirer to stay silent about another alleged affair with trump. trump has denied any affair with mcdougal. trump's longtime friend and then chairman of the national enquirer's parent company, david pecker, is believed to have orchestrated the payment and was one of the last witnesses to testify before the grand jury monday. but even trump's potential republican presidential rivals criticizing the indictment. governor ron desantis tweeting american and trump's former vice

president mike pence, telling cnn. i think the unprecedented indictment. former president of the united states on a campaign finance issue. is an outrage. and one of the former president's attorneys tells me that the district attorney actually wanted him to surrender today. that would have been a really tight turnaround, considering all the security that they would need to get in, place down the circus like atmosphere that is sure to follow, so they want it instead of waiting till tuesday over the weekend time for people to gather and so forth. they wanted him to turn himself in so that this can be over and done with at least the appearance so much for that. we'll see him on tuesday, right in what will surely be a circus like atmosphere. thank you very much. paula reid will continue to follow this, caitlin. well, i think it's important this morning to step back and look at how we got here. this didn't just come out of nowhere, and it was back in 2006. actually, that trump first met both stormy daniels and karen macdougal five years after that is when stormy daniels tried to sell her story

to a publication known as life and style. but michael cohen, then working for trump threatened a lawsuit and the story was never published. fast forward to 2015 trump announces that he's running for president . of course, he came down the escalator at trump tower the following spring that daniel's tries to sell her story again. no one bite's not even the national enquirer. that summer. karen macdougal story is caught and killed. and remember, cnn obtained secret a secret audiotape at the time of trump and cohen discussing how all of it would play out. you hear them mentioned david as in david pecker of the national enquirer , who also testified this week before the grand jury. and alan that's alan weisberg, who was the cfo of the trump organization is right now still serving a jail sentence. i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david. i'm all over that, and i spoke to alan about it when it comes time

for the financing, which will be awesome. financing. painting your song hold. no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. a few months after that conversation is one of bombshell dropped in the access hollywood published a tape of former president trump that's candidate trump at the time. the very next day on october, 8th is when daniel's seemed to sense there was opportunity to picture story once again after years of failing to sell it. this time there was interest. october 10th three days after the access hollywood tape about a month before the presidential election , michael cohen agreed to pay stormy daniels $130,000 in exchange for her silence. that deal threatened daniels with severe financial penalties if she ever spoke about the alleged affair on the 28th. that agreement was signed 11 days before election day. of course, an election we now all know. trump won. probably all of this is the heart of what the

district attorney is now looking at what they are going into. it is remarkable. the time that has lapsed here and the fact that it has culminated with this indictment that we saw walk through from 2006 until where we were and where we are now is remarkable indeed, kaylin. thank you. so that's the timeline. let's talk about what came immediately after right 16 4017 donald trump paid michael cohen back. but the series of monthly checks right $35,000 a month month after month different case , but when michael cohen was looking at charges, the doj said that those checks or accounted for his legal expenses, even though they were not part of any legal services provided to trump that year. so now what? ellie hoenig is back, cnn senior legal analyst okay, ellie let's start . i guess where we are. now where will be on tuesday? what happens now? so this is historic . this is unprecedented. but you know what? it's just a case as well. it will be titled people of the state of new york versus donald trump. so what are we

going to see on tuesday? this is what we call an arraignment. it's a first appearance in court, donald trump will be in all likelihood, fingerprinted. he may have his mug shot taken as well. mug shots, by the way, are typically not available to the public under new york state law at that proceeding, the indictment will be unsealed. that's what and we'll see it. that's when we'll know what the charges are. the judge will read the charges to donald trump asked him to enter his plea. he will certainly plead not guilty. and then the judge will almost certainly released donald trump. what we call his own recognizance, meaning come back when you were one important thing. i want to notice this court. where we're going to be is a state court. it is called somewhat confusingly new york supreme court, you hear supreme court you think of nine justices in robes, the supreme court here means the trial level court in downtown manhattan. after that arraignment we're going to be in to the trial process. we're going to have motions watch for donald trump's team to ask to downgrade or dismiss some of the charges, then discovery prosecutors have to turn over all their evidence, good and bad to the defense and we will get to a trial. if there's a

conviction. we will get to sentencing and then it's all got to go up on appeal. so we are at the very beginning of a long, very long process. let's talk about potential charges. here are john miller broke the news last night. this indictment has 30 plus counts. what could they be? so we know that there's over 30 counts that doesn't necessarily correlate with seriousness. but let's take a look at what it could be if these charges are based on the hush money payments that caitlin laid out, we could be looking at a state charge for falsification of business records. the idea there is if they falsely logged these payments. as attorneys fees that would be a misdemeanor , meaning the maximum penalties one year no one's realistically going to go to jail on a misdemeanor, however. if prosecutors can prove that those records were falsified in order to conceal or commit some other crime, some second crime, then we're talking about a class e felony. that's the lowest class . it goes a to e. okay there would be four years, but the judge still has discretion to give no prison time. now what might that other crime be? could be a potential campaign finance

crime? a little bit of a legal difficulty there, though, because it's state court. remember what we're talking about a federal election. can you talk, though, ellie about the fact that what the prosecution is going to have to argue here to try? right to try to succeed. on these charges is they're going to try to put a have to tie a federal crime. to a state charge and that is uncharted and has never been done in this way ever in the history of the state of new york, when you hear trump's legal team say these charges are unprecedented, to an extent, they're not true falsification of business records charges combination the way they're doing it. that's the unprecedented part that again we are in state court here, and they're looking at potentially charging a violation of federal campaign law that's going to go to the judge before it ever gets to a jury quickly. trump's defense trump's defense is going to be the main defense is going to be is going to attack michael cohen, michael cohen's the star witness. people can decide the jury will decide if they believe him. trump's team going to is going to point out that michael cohen has been convicted of perjury and fraud. personal animosity. i mean, to say the least, michael cohen despises donald trump, and they're going

to argue that he's made inconsistent prior statements. but michael come with the prosecutors are going to argue he's backed up by other evidence, and you can believe him or other people which brags team may need. okay ellie. thank you so helpful, don. all right, ellie poppy, new york city ramping up security this morning they have been for a while. but yesterday and even the weeks before they're preparing for possible protests in the wake of the former president's unprecedented indictment, the nypd coordinating with federal law enforcement and the secret service, to be ready for whatever might happen. seeing his brand jen grass live near the manhattan courthouse for us this morning. good morning, bren police, other security agencies. what are they doing to prepare right now? well this is not what the courthouse typically looks like. but to your point, this has been what it's looked like for the past almost two weeks. now, let's take a look at all the barricades that are all around this lower manhattan courthouse. this is where the actually the district attorney's office is. this is where he the district attorney, alvin brad, comes in day and night under heavy security, but you can see there is a large police presence

out here. but again, this is something that we have been seeing for about the past two weeks. what we've learned is that the nypd he is going to be in full uniform that is every single member of the nypd. whether it's rank or position, they will be in full uniform. a huge presence pasturing getting ready for what might come today . in the next days, possibilities of any protests. i was talking to a source who said, you know, the chatter online had subsided, but certainly they fully expected it to possibly be ramping back up. so they are anticipating what could be any sort of demonstrations or protests, and they are paired for that at the ready, and essentially, basically everyone is preparing waiting again for that now indictment or rather, the arrangement to happen on tuesday is what we're learning and of course, all preparations for that, as well and learning also from a source that there are still discussions they have begun and how that arrangement is going to happen where it will take place. and, of course, all

of law enforcement coordinating that as well done the nypd, so unrest at your own risk engine grass. thank you so much appreciate. hate that. joining us now on this historic indictment, cnn political analyst in new york times senior political correspondent maggie haberman and former associate counsel to president george w. bush jameel jaffer back at the table so soon, but maggie, let's start with this because you've been doing reporting on what's happening in trump world leading up to this. they were surprised by this, but the fact that it came down last night and some people have even been telling trump. maybe it would never come down at all. i mean, it's often hard to tell how much of this is them actually believing what they're saying? amateur this is projection and wish wish casting, but there's no question that people around trump were completely caught off guard by this, they did believe you know the reports that the grand jury was done for a month and that they would not be coming back for several weeks. they thought they had time. if this was going to happen at all, and they were all sort of exhaling, and then suddenly this happened, trump my

understanding is recalibrated pretty quickly. he clearly had been thinking about what he was going to say, and it's not that different than what he had been saying before, but this was not where they thought they were going to be. today. there's no question about that. but my question is why, but really know, do they really believe what the former president and really believe that if you live here in new york city, you saw the security. all the security that was ramping up with the sources were saying. was this just wishful thinking on the trump folks part. i don't know what information they say that they were getting. they do clearly have some lines into. i think, folks, some folks in the prosecutor's office and people around the courthouse, so i think that they were getting bits and pieces of information. they were cobbling that together and then i think, in some cases they were projecting and suggesting that therefore this is not going to happen. but you know the grand juries are unpredictable number one, and they don't really understand alan brag. and i think that alvin brags office, whether intentionally or not took all the reports that there was going to be a break and use that to almost dial down the heat and then move forward. one of the outstanding question, jamil is.

is this just about michael cohen's testimony and stormy daniels. or is this about a lot more? we know that david pecker right, who ran the company that runs the national enquirer? that's fine, not once but twice . and we also know that brags team of prosecutors asked many questions regarding karen macdougal and $150,000 catching killed to silence her story so when you listen to lanny davis, michael cohen's attorney last night on cnn, saying, it's not just about one person's testimony. where does that leave you? i think that's probably right. i mean, you know, we've we've heard that there are 30 plus charges being brought. it's hard to imagine that many charges being brought just around the one stormy daniels issues, so i think it's likely there is more going on whether it's karen macdougal. other business dealings going on inside the trump organization, obviously the trump organization convicted of tax fraud earlier last year, and so we know there was stuff going on with your ization hasn't yep, in tired of the former president, but we could very well see that going forward in this case. think 30.

plus charges could be just about stormy daniels. is that what you're saying? i mean, it's hard to imagine. i suppose it's possible. but how many things can you bring? right? so you've got obviously the payment right? the tax issues related to it. the side payments to cohen. it's hard to imagine 30 different charges coming out of that. it's possible. i suppose every one of those checks that's right. that's that's actually true. it could be that jamil jackson. thank you very much. make haberman stick around. don't go far. we have a lot of head. we are hearing from a key witness in the case. michael cohen don talked to him his first television interview after this indictment came down what he thinks will happen next. think about the best night's sleep you've ever had a temperr pedic were dedicated to helping yoyou sleep like that every night. so you get the deep, comfortable, undisturbed breast you deserve for a limited time. save $300 on select temper pedic mattresses. the evolution o head shaving, omg adjusts to the shape o the head. smooth is fast. it's perfect to rock with this introducing micro touch.

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importance of the significance of what they saw in his testimony? it was a mistake. you know, bob costello provided clearly nothing. there was no um, testimony that he gave that i was even needed to rebut. that's all been reported. they had me there waiting for about two hours to be a rebuttal witness, but i wasn't needed, which means that the information that he provided was worth this is talking about this donald trump, and he basically said in this email to his supporters, alvin bragg is relying on the testimony of a convicted felon and a disbarred lawyer. so what is your response to donald trump tonight? well he's right. i am a convicted felon. i am disbarred lawyer but i also brought the documents. there's plenty of testimony corroborating testimony to go around. and at the end of the day we have an indictment today. so clearly, that means that the information provided was more than enough

for the grand jury to come back with the determination for an indictment. oh, by the way for donald, since we're talking about convicted felons. see on tuesday, pal. coordinate court dates, but they don't coordinate indictments and they have to go when they have to go where the evidence leads. and there are things like the statute of limitations or what have you but technically fani willis in georgia if she does indict could go first they could coordinate and allow her to go to trial first, and this could go second notion of oh, this is a weaker case than the january 6th. i knowledge that january. 6th was an insurrection like we haven't seen in what 150 years in this country, but doesn't make this any less of a crime. you know, i always call this the capone theory. the al capone theory. they couldn't get him on murder , extortion, racketeering, bootlegging, etcetera. they got him on tax evasion. if that crime done was enough for me to be charged. find convicted and sent to prison. why am i any different than donald trump? back with us now cnn political

analyst in new york times senior political correspondent maggie haberman and former associate counsel to president george w. bush jameel jaffer, listen here. this is the interesting thing, my sources, saying the notion that this shouldn't be birth for political reasons doesn't align with the justice system. you have to go when you're ready. there are statutes of limitations and other factors that forced them to move in a time that they have to move. and jill. funny, willis could actually go first. if there are indictments in multiple jurisdictions. they can coordinate the court dates because defendants often face indictment in multiple jurisdictions so georgia could actually end up going first to that whole argument about why is this first what they're saying? it doesn't really matter, and michael cohen is saying similar there in that interview. right i think that's right. now look in this case, new york has a six year statute of limitations when it comes to fraud, criminal fraud. and so there's a real possibility that the reason why this happened now is because there's they're out of time, paused in 2020 by then governor

cuomo because of covid, and it was also trump lived out of state for four years. so they have they have more time. i don't think he was rushed by the statute of limitations interesting. so if that's the case, then the question is why bring it now? right is it is it that does raise these questions about politic politics? right? georgia, of course, concerned about their about their litigation. you've got the new york state attorney general. you've got a variety of things going on around the country. of course, the federal investigations into january 6th as well as the mar-a-lago documents, there's a lot going on. the challenge, though politically, is the president going to say? look at all this stuff going on all these democrats coming after me? i'm the victim, which is a story he's played out during his entire time in office, and since he's been out well, it's also something that you know to be to be real about it. alvin brad sort of gave him that when he was campaigning for this office. he spoke in stark terms about the potential of prosecuting donald trump. so you are going to hear a lot about that in the coming months, and it's not surprising that you would hear a lot. it's something set in there

. yeah but alvin bragg did that here on the set. he came and did an interview with the two of you and he said, essentially like, stay tuned, basically did indicate that something could be coming here. yeah it's not surprising. i mean, it's less surprising that he did it once he was in office. to some extent it was. it was surprising to a lot of people in new york, who have a long history with that particular office, where one man sat in that district attorney's office for decades. robert morganthal, who ps donald trump, considered a personal friend, and told me in an interview in 2021, that morganthal would not have stood for this kind of thing, which i think is really important in terms of trump's mindset, but bragged during his campaign in 2021 spoke openly about the possibility of prosecuting donald trump. and i think you'll hear more of that. to don's point. we don't know what the charges are. we are not going to know for several days, so some of this is just waiting on it. one other question about your reporting yesterday, which is that is this is coming out. there are people who worked in the trump organization that were quietly cheering this, you said, and by quietly, i'm sure they were loudly on their end of the

phone. but we're texting me and there was. there is a long trail of people who feel burned in one way or another. by donald trump. we certainly saw that in the white house. this was a pattern that existed for decades before the trump organization in the number of people i heard from yesterday who worked for his company who were really happy. one person texted with the words wonderful news. really, really sort of. tells you something about where these folks heads are fascinated last night. as you know, caitlyn is on there and listening to her. i'm reading your reporting in real time and the times about what's happening behind the scenes at mar-a-lago right now. well like like we've said they were caught by surprise. i think some of trump's advisers learned it from me and my colleagues that this was this was happening. i think they re calibrated quickly. he's very angry. it should not really surprise anybody. i don't think that means that he's throwing staplers, but i think he's you know, he's he's really angry. everything that you were seeing in his statement about how this is a political persecution, political prosecution. i think it's something that he genuinely

believes, and i expect that it is going to be said with greater degrees of it. density. there's so much i just want to stress. we expect or it's likely that he's going to surrender on tuesday. they're still working out how that's going to look. you know, this is not an ordinary defendant. he comes with the phalanx of secret service. this is going to require multi agency protection . he's not just any other defendant in reality, and so because of that, what the leader will look like i think is really also and they're so coordinating that listen, you bring up a very good point in katelyn polantz you about your reporting the people who have been affected that others there are other cases right in the documents case, right, and, you know, just other cases. there are many out there a number out there. but look at this. david pecker, who is a witness, that's karen macdougal, the catch and kill. dylan howard, who worked for pecker, deborah um tarasov, who is also testified. work for trump or jeff makani, the assistant controller work directly with alan weisberg. donald bender, the accountant there who worked for trump kellyanne conway. of course, we know who worked closely with trump hope hicks, who worked

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fuller, stronger, healthier hair. guaranteed care .com. i'm bill. we're in antarctica, and this is cnn. good morning and welcome back. we are being told this morning that trump's defense team is likely to attack the credibility of a major witness and the manhattan district attorney's case, michael cohen, the former trump lawyer, was convicted of lying to congress, among other financial crimes, he says he pled guilty to that we should note he has says he has proof this morning that he is telling the truth here. i am a convicted felon. i am a disbarred lawyer, but i also brought the documents . there's plenty of testimony corroborating testimony to go around and at the end of the day we have an indictment today. so clearly, that means that the

information provided was more than enough for the grand jury to come back with the determination for an indictment , by the way for donald, since we're talking about convicted felons c on tuesday, pal. joining us now is jim trustee. he has a current attorney for trump in the department of justice probe into the 2020 election, as well as the investigation involving classified documents at mar-a-lago. good morning, jim and thank you for being here. you're not representing trump in this manhattan case. we should make clear but you are on his legal team. obviously you spend a lot of time with him. do you expect that he's actually going to surrender himself on tuesday as we've been talking about yeah. i don't have any inside info to share on that. i mean, we'll sort through it. we'll deal with the process. i think right now we're dealing with the enormity of the injustice and the shock of seeing people like michael cohen touted as credible witnesses. maybe he'll have a vanity as a character witness. i don't know, but it's really astounding, astounding, bad moment in the history of this

country. why do you say that? because we've got a completely politicized prosecution. you know your last segment you had folks that actually talked openly about cnn appearances by alvin bragg running for office, saying i will target donald trump. i mean, that is not something to gloss over lightly. that is an upside down world of criminal justice. where we don't follow evidence. we don't act judiciously as prosecutors and i was a prosecutor for 27 years. okay so i have some background on this. you've got people that are announced. politically they're going to target an individual. that is not the rule of law. that is not what this country was built upon. and so when you talk about donald trump being angry, he should be. i'm amazed he's not, you know more apoplectic, but he is right to be angry at political persecution. which is what this case is. is he angry? have you spoken to him since this indictment happened? no, i don't talk about that kind of stuff. sorry, caitlin. what's your sense of what happened about

that? what's your sense of what happens between now and tuesday? well, look, you know, i'll tell you the big picture is you know if you're representing him on the new york case, you've got a lot of stuff to be focusing on. but one of them is going to be pre trial motions. i know. ellie in the earlier segment, talked about how that's a part of the process. you know, you don't usually win on a pretrial motion saying, hey, the government's got the worst witnesses imaginable, even if that happens to be true. you went on legal issues, and this case is all about it looks like from the outside right now. mental gymnastics that don't add up. i mean legal gymnastics. they're going to fall apart. so i would think in very short order, you'll see a motion to dismiss or several motions to dismiss talking about this kind of impossible theory of stacking a federal crime into a state misdemeanor statute of limitations issues and very importantly, the intent to defraud. that's an element of these false recordkeeping charges. that's just not present here under even the most dreamy

of michael cohen moments. it's not part of the case, so there's a lot to look at. i think they'll be pre trial motions. it will be hugely important and well founded to dismiss this travesty those motions to dismiss that you say you're expecting will those come before the indictment is unsealed on tuesday, or what is your expectation there? hmm yeah, well, i don't know about the exact timing. i think the practical problem is, you know, we don't even have a case number. keep in mind with donald trump. there are no rules. so once again, we have sealed proceedings that have been leaked publicly that we're all talking about. i mean, it's just kind of an amazing breakdown of due process and fair play, so we don't even have a case number at this moment. but it'll be soon. i think this will be something you can expect in days or weeks. not not weeks or months. okay so you say there will likely be a motion to dismiss this. that's important. you were representing trump. in the january 6th investigation in the classified documents investigation, there are several investigations now facing him, including with this indictment. how does the legal team manage all of these

investigations at once? well, we've got a good team. we've got a lot of different people with a lot of different backgrounds and experience. um you know, i will say the one commonbody who was associated with doj for 17 years and watching is prosecutorial overreach. you know, there's an ends justify the means mentality that is unlike anything i've ever seen and prosecutorial circles you've got people like leticia james. now alvin bragg announcing we will get him you've got an attorney general, the united states doing press conferences after a search warrant, which is completely unprecedented, unprecedented and unethical. and so what we do is you know, we kind of shadow the investigations, figure out the actual facts and find ways to litigate often under seal some of the issues that are just rolling through these over these heavy handed investigations into the president got plenty of resources to bear to fight back . you noted. all the attorneys were on the team. how many? how

many? exactly are there? how many attorneys are there representing trump at this time? oh i don't. i don't have an exact number for you. sorry. when the war when you talk about alvin bragg and trump has continued to attack him. he faced criticism over the weekend after there was a link that he posted on truth social data photo of trump holding a baseball bat next to a picture of alvin bragg. is it inappropriate for the for your client to post things like that? attacking the district attorney , calling him an animal, calling him a racist? well as i understand it. the meme that got retweeted didn't actually have the image until it showed up on true social, so he didn't actually know that there was this baseball bat image thing. look it's unfortunate that that happened and there's a lot of room for an emotional reaction from anybody. any client. i have would be angry at this point. but the general concerned that president trump has, and i think it's a very genuine one. is that this is not even just about him.

yes, he's being targeted for political persecution. but this is an attack on the fabric of our system on the whole presumption of innocence, due process, prosecutorial ethics. i mean, all of this is in play under that category of rule of law, and i'm as frustrated as anyone to see this kind of change in a system. that heretofore had been the best in the world. you're representing trump on the classified documents matter. did he still? no there were documents still classified documents still at mar-a-lago after a subpoena came to return those documents. yeah i'm not gonna get into the facts of any investigation that spending what i can tell you is you can't say whether or not the united states there. well caitlin that we're going to have that kind of conversation, and i think you know better. but the reality is the president has every right we entrust president under the constitution to know state secrets to be familiar with these things to even hold onto documents and determine

which ones they're going to hold onto and which ones they're going to give. to the archives, so criminalizing that process was absurd. that's nothing that's ever happened in history . you've got thousands of classified documents sitting in chicago for the obama foundation , no similar treatment and that's really what president trump is fighting about. and that's what we're fighting about is the idea that somehow this whole criminal justice system can be turned on its head because of him. you know, one person gets differential treatment across the board whether it's criminalizing a civil dispute about documents, whether it's ignoring peaceful words on january 6th or threading together this ridiculous misdemeanor through the worst credible, the least credible witnesses you can imagine in new york. it's only him. he's the only one that gets that treatment and we're going to fight back hard. well i think it's a fair question to ask and given the justice department wanted those documents back, and we've seen the fight that played out. but jim trustee representing current president trump right now, thank you for joining us this morning. thank you for your time to talk about

these investigations facing trump. sure. thanks caitlin caitlin. it's good to hear from the trump side there and remind the viewers there is more than just one case as it relates to donald trump that is pending and that is going on. so also this is just in the doj, announcing a lawsuit against norfolk southern following the toxic train derailment in east palestine, ohio. we also have new cnn reporting on how some cdc investigators got sick. near the crash site. at the end of the age, i'm afraid i feel is right upon us. this is considered a mass suicide invnvestigation. never mind. t ando were the second comings. by killing themselves. they ensured their immortality. after living today. cnn presents a max original heaven's gate sunday at 10 on cnn.

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the lawsuit. against norfolk southern or jason carroll's on top of both of these will get to doggie in a minute. but these seven investigators that comes as huge concern to the people who live there very much and it confirms what a lot of people there on the ground were already feeling. i mean, in this latest information only came to light just after a member of cnn's health team saw posts on social media and checked with the government source about what exactly had happened, according to the cdc. seven government investigators fell ill in early march. they were part of a 15 member team that was sent there to conduct what is called an assessment of chemical exposure or an ace investigation. they went door to door in an area near the derailment. apparently seven members of the team said they started feeling sick. their symptoms included. sore throat, headaches, coughing, nausea. these are some of the same symptoms that both residents, first responders and rail workers had also complained about when cnn asked the cdc

about the investigators, a spokesperson said the following quote the symptoms resolved for most team members later the same afternoon and everyone resumed work on survey data collection within 24 hours impacted. team members have not reported ongoing health effects. it's unclear what caused their symptoms. the eight other team members did not report any symptoms. the epa has repeatedly said as you guys know that all of the air and the water there is safe, but what is unclear at this point is in the spirit of transparency. and you know, in the very beginning of this, government officials said, over and over, we want to be transparent. about what we're finding what we're doing here. so in the spirit of transparency, the question is, why wasn't this information revealed? yes, it happened. why did people who live there have to look on the website and then ask about it before you go the what is this doj lawsuit against the train company about well, this is another lawsuit. as you know. the state of ohio also

filed a lawsuit there as well. the suits has basically said that norfolk southern violated numerous quote state, federal and ohio common laws and violated the state's comprehensive environmental response and compensation and liability act. so what does that mean? basically what they're alleging here is that norfolk sudden southern cut costs. um in terms of rail safety in order to make profits, and as a result, we've got what we're seeing here . and this is a federal brought by doj by gok behalf of the epa . wow jason. thank you very much . thank you. jason michael colon , telling cnn that the trump indictment is just the beginning . just ahead. we're going to talk to cohen's lawyer, lanny davis, who was with him. for every visit to the manhattan district attorney. it up, randy.

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down yesterday, a source telling cnn that trump is calling some of his allies telling them about his plans to fight the charges. joining us now is republican on capitol hill. congressman brian mast, florida who served as the co chair of trump's 2020, a reelection campaign in the state. good morning, congressman and thank you for joining us from florida. this morning. what's your reaction to this indictment, making trump the first president to ever face criminal charges? it was all i react to this not just as a representative but as a constituent as a supporter of the president, and a lot of emotions going through me about this, you know, i look at this and i feel like it's not a system of justice is blind. you do have a d. a this has been brought up before that said, hey , i know the president better than anybody. i know his business is implying that he was the guy to go after the president and not felt this way from the very beginning that the left has had a wanted poster up for the president. that's basically said you. wanted dead or alive, and i continue to feel that way. right up to this very

moment. alvin bragg has pushed back on letters coming from republican chairman on capitol hill, saying that they're just following the law and the facts here. i mean, if they do, we haven't even seen the indictment yet. so if we do see the indictment once it's unsealed, and there are these charges, and what if there's evidence here to back up what they're alleging that trump has done? so i don't think they're following the law . i think you're taking an individual that again has been perfectly willing and bragged about the fact that he's willing to put trump beneath the law not say that justice is blind, but be willing to go out there and say, hey, we're looking for an individual that was a former president, about six ft. four blond hair lives in palm beach, florida anything that we can do to get that guy? that's what we'll do. that's the situation that's playing out. do you trust that this will play out fairly in the courts, though? i mean, if this does go to trial, there will be even if there's a jury. you don't trust that zero. trust i personally i'm speaking for myself right now. i have zero

trust that this will play out fairly. i look at all of the instances that again i know people have brought this up before. but you look at the russia hoax. you look at the mueller investigation. you look at the impeachment one impeachment to the rating of mar-a-lago. the list goes on and on of them trying to say, oh, the shoes. is about to drop the shoes about to drop their constantly dragging the president through the mud. the shoe doesn't drop, but they still drag him through the mud. it's interesting to see to hear you say you don't think you don't trust that will play out because if it does go to trial, there will be a duri there. you don't trust that the jury will make a fair assessment of this. i don't have a trust that a jury will make a fair assessment of this personally again, looking at what's happened with the president from the very beginning, so no, i don't have that trust. i want to ask you about something your governor said ron desantis yesterday, saying that if there is a situation where trump does not surrender himself on tuesday that he will not grant an extradition. request to take trump from florida to new york.

do you agree with that statement from governor desantis. i would say well done, governor desantis. this is a battleground issue for so many individuals and especially people in florida, which is the president's home, saying you're not going to continue this witch hunt this target of an individual just because you don't like the way that they fought for freedom from the very beginning. that's how i feel about the situation. and so i'm proud of the governor for saying that's not something they're going to participate in. but congressman you know this i mean , government. desantis knows this. he went to harvard law school. it's in the constitution that if you are charged, that must happen. so i think the governor's dealing with an important battleground issue for the state of florida and for one of his constituents here in the state of florida that again justice is not treating president trump blindly they're treating president trump has somebody else say it again wanted dead or alive and the

governor is not going to play into that. i'll just note that it is in the constitution. the political aspect of this is something that people have been talking about how this impacts the 2024 race. do you think this indictment benefits trump politically? i couldn't say honestly, i don't know whether this is a game by the democrats to say they want to codify his base around him, which they are doing because they want to see him as the candidate and they think that that's a benefit against joe biden or because they don't want him as the candidate against joe biden. i actually don't know which one the left is playing out right now, but they are absolutely codifying the president's base. there's no doubt about that. don't wait to see how it plays out politically, congressman brian masse. thank you for your time this morning. all the best fascinating interview that he doesn't even believe should this go all the way to trial and a trial by jury of your peers that it would be a fair reckoning? well, let's play. let's play this out. because um, listen, i

think the you know, the congressman said that he thinks that is a political witch hunt by the democrats are that there are democrats who are out there to get the former president. okay, let's just allow him that not saying that it's true. but it's not binary. there can be democrats and people who are out there to get the president, but there can also be legitimacy to this investigation as well. it's not one or the other. it can be both and we don't even know what's in the indictment. yeah let's wait. step by step. okay. we have a lot of head cnn this morning continues right now. morning everyone and here we are on a historic day here in the united states. very big news. big news this morning, the former president trump in indicted sources tell cnn trump is expected to turn himself in just days from now, as he is facing more than 30 counts related to business fraud. the key witness in this case, trump's former fixer michael

cohen, his lawyer will join us live in just a few minutes