all the things to go after him for this, isn't it? he's also going to join us in this hour. we also have one of the former president's attorneys right now . publicly trump has not been keeping his feelings close to the vest on all of this, instead lashing out at the judge that he is actually due to appear before on tuesday, alleging on social media, the judge juan manuel, march, 10 was quote handpicked by the prosecution and hates me. this is also the same judge. we should note who oversaw the trump organization trial and the sentencing of the former trump financial chief, allen weisberg . and for the first time since trump's indictment, we are also now hearing from the woman at the center of it all, stormy daniels, who was the recipient of the hush money payout at the center of this case, the adult film stars says that the threats against her are only intensifying tonight. this time. it's. strain of violence. you know, like the first time it was like little digger sluts. your you know, liar, whatever. and

this time it's like i'm gonna murder you. are you frightened for the first time ever yet? more on that interview. in a moment is daniels also told the british paper the times that she believes that trump indictment is monumental. but she added, this quote he has done so much worse, that he should have been taken down for before. i am fully aware of the insanity of it being a porn star. let's bring in cnn's katelyn polantz. now with more on what we know is coming next katelyn polantz tonight or what is going to happen over the next several days? what is this going to look like before we get to tuesday? caitlyn there's going to be a couple of days of waiting until donald trump then makes the journey from florida. his resorted mar-a-lago, where he has been to new york city, where he's going to be facing the justice system for the first time on tuesday, tuesday, is going to be a day of a lot of activity inside the courthouse in manhattan. he's going to be surrendering on tuesday. he's

going to be fingerprinted. he's going to be processed. there will be photographs taken of him . he's going to be walking down the hall into the courtroom where we do expect there to be cameras, capturing him as he enters that courtroom. it's not clear just yet if there's going to be cameras that will also be allowed inside the courtroom to see what happens. then perhaps there will be still photographers there. that's going to be up to the judge. but then once donald trump is inside the courtroom, he's going to be arraigned. like anyone who faces charges would be he's going to be read his charges. he'll be able to enter a plea. we do expect him to claim that he is not guilty right now that there is no plea deal. in the future at any point that he's going to be fighting his charges, and then his attorneys. we know they have been out there saying what might happen in the future of this case, some of that could be discussed in court before the judge on tuesday, but the attorneys have already said that they're planning on challenging these charges, filing motions to get them thrown out. but at this point in time, we don't know the

charges donald trump and his team they don't know the charges . we know there are many somewhere around 30. or more very, very likely. there's at least one felony charge in there with that many being levied against him, and we do know that as this case progresses, there's gonna be a lot of legal tests applied to it, and the judge will have a chance to consider all of trump's behavior as well as what is being alleged in those charges, whether they can go to trial, caitlin yeah, a lot of questions that still remain as we wait for tuesday. katelyn polantz. thank you. caitlyn, their former president . trump and his advisers are still waiting to see what these charges are looking like, while they do their gaming out how the surrender is going to play out on tuesday. christian homes is outside mar-a-lago, where the former president is expected to remain this weekend before he heads here to new york on monday . kristen i know you've been talking to people around trump and in his inner circle, what are they saying about? how he's been responding behind the scenes. katelyn polantz now

what's going on is that we're really hearing from sources that that plan for trump's trip to new york is coming into focus. what we had seen in the last 24 hours was essentially trump's team behind the curve. they seem to be learning all of their information from news reports from leaks, they were not actually understanding film forming a plan. they said to me that they were operating really in the dark. now it seems as though they're coming forward with a plan for tuesday as you said they are planning to arrive on monday in new york, and i was told by a source close trump expected to be a quick trip now. as for former president trump, you said, this yourself he is not holding back what he is doing behind closed doors all over social media, he is forming his own narrative as he loves to do. he is attacking alvin bragg . he is calling this a political witch hunt a hoax. he's linking brag to joe biden and as you mentioned, he is also attacking the judge that he is expected to appear before on tuesday and talked to a number of security

experts who are really concerned about that. particular this is donald trump airing his grievances, and it's not just trump, who is taking this on who was waging war who was creating this narrative. it's also his team. and his republican allies we have seen republican after republican in the house. step forward say they support donald trump. put out these tweets defend him, and they are all spinning a narrative that this is a democrats falls in that donald trump didn't do anything wrong with obviously also heard that from his own rival potential rival in 2024 ron desantis, so this is playing out the way his team wants it to in terms of republicans rallying behind him. of course, the question still remains. what this all looks like as we enter this 2024 race, and if this actually does continue to help him politically, caitlin, it's clearly putting republicans behind him for right now we'll see if that holds christian homes. thank you very much for more on all of this. i want to

bring in maggie haberman, who is senior political correspondent for the new york times and cnn political analyst and, of course, the author of confidence man, the making of donald trump and the breaking of america. and also joey jackson, a criminal defense attorney and cnn senior cnn legal analyst. thank you both for joining me tonight, maggie. i mean, you heard what christmas talking about their what's happening behind the scenes with trump. they're also coming out with these new fundraising numbers, claiming that they have raised a ton of cash in the last 24 hours since trump was indicted, and they're very happy about that, and they had been gearing up for that one thing that had been very striking in the last two days is trump's political team was they were all caught off guard, his political team and his legal team, but his political political team had been preparing for this moment. they had all sorts of things in place, and this fundraising effort was a part of that, you know, they are trying to push as much as they can to make sure they are capitalizing on this moment, and they're doing it fairly effectively. i mean, if you look at the results so far in terms of how many republicans are, you know, including his opponents are in the primary are

speaking out in support of him. that only gets him. so far. there is still the legal reality and they know that and they know that it is a very long weekend until tuesday, and they need to keep keep him from, you know he's been attacking the judge. as you noted, we have seen a bunch of that. they want to keep him from doing something even more explosive. what have you heard about his mindset? because joe tech, fiona did confirm your reporting about them being shocked about it this morning. that's the trump attorney handling this case has been digested it in the 24 hours since it's come down. what is that? looking like, as you know , we have seen with trump over many, many, you know, explosive moments. there's a little bit of calm when it first happens. and then as he stews on it, he has the government and watches the coverage. he has a more significant reaction. we're still in that stewing on it and watching and not exploding period. yet what he is doing is soliciting opinions from almost everyone around him. how's it playing politically? what do you think of my lawyers? what should i be doing? you know, in case of x, y or z when he feels cornered or trapped or under pressure, he

tends to open more avenues for people to reach him. he doesn't close them down. so there is a lot of soliciting comment. and joey. of course. what? we're waiting to see what the charges actually look like, because, yes, he's coming to surrender, but that's also when we expect them to be unsealed. you do expect there to be felonies in there, i assume given the number of the charges in the seriousness of this, what do you think that's going to look like? so i do so before that, just an issue about the judge juan marshawn. i know why, sean, i do indeed we went to law school together. it was a year ahead of me. we served in the district attorney's office. he's a jurist, a very intelligent man. very god. fairing christian man , and i think he's certainly up to this task notwithstanding the attacks. pivoting to the actual question at hand. you know, we understand that it will be 30 counts or more. that's from reporting, but it is sealed and to the extent that it sealed. what happens, caitlin that we don't have the time and an opportunity to digest it. what does it say? what are the legal theories? right what did the

counts actually pertained to, but i would just imagine, although you can indict certainly on a misdemeanor that there would be felonies of import, so you know, we're all pundits and you know, trying to even defend or game out. it's tough to do because i don't know what specifically alvin break put in there with respect to the grand jury last point, and that's this. there's a process and we could attack it all we want and talk about alvin bragg and everything else. the end of the day. there are mechanisms you have a grand jury consisting of 23 people a majority vote out an indictment right? it says, is there reasonable cause to believe that a crime was committed? and did donald trump committed and then thereafter? there are emotions. you could attack the legal sufficiency of the charges. you can attack whether or not the legal theories are. appropriate and should they be charged. you can have various hearings. you have a proceeding. where in then, of course, you have a jury where 12 people have to decide. so not whatever anyone says about it. there's a process. this is how a democracy works, and i think we should wait and see what the specifics are the indictment before people pass judgment. i

think trump could get himself in trouble with his attacks on the judge. i don't i think that the end of the day like any other defendant, he's entitled to his due process. i don't think it really helps the system along when you attacked personally, the judge the prosecutor anyone else involved but i think we have to be very careful because like any other defendant you want to preserve and protect his rights give him his due process, allowing his day in court and to allow him to air his grievances on that issue. it's one thing to talk about the fact that you know what this is all political. it's a witch hunt exist. that that's public relations that's for election airing. it's going to be another matter to specifically defend the charges and talk about right what your justifications are for doing that which is alleged that you have done so i think those are going to be totally separate attacks. trump tends to conflate those two things and always has pr strategy with legal strategy . that is something that we saw play out over and over in the white house as he was under multiple investigations. he did that for decades when he was a private businessman at a certain

point, the pr strategy i think can be undermining to the legal strategy, and i think you're right. we don't know what the charges are. his team can't form a legal strategy yet because they don't know what the charges are. they are in the dark as much as we are, and as i understand it, they're getting minimal information from the da's office, even just in the lead up to the arrangement, but i do think that that is a risk for them. yeah big question. of course of the legal strategy of attacking the judge that you're going to appear before on tuesday. what does that look like? what does that strategy? there have been a lot of questions about this indictment . and as we are still waiting to see what they look like. there are some basic ones that we do know which is. obviously trump is running for office. he is indicted. he has said he's not going to drop out of the race. if he has indicted clearly, he can still run. given that he's indicted, um what's it going to look like in reality on tuesday when it comes to the fingerprints to the mug shot? what katelyn polantz is talking about there? there will be a camera to capture him walking down the hall. maybe not an actual courtroom, but there will be one to see him going in. you

know, caitlyn, i think the first reality is new york has a very strict, really rule with respect to cameras in the courtroom, and it is up to individual judges as to whether they allow or don't allow were like the only state in the union right? that does not permit and allow for these cameras and i'm wondering in furtherance of your question, because the public wants to know and this is very much a public interest kind of situation, and so does it further the interests of the public to have cameras in the courtroom so that there cannot be anyone spin as to whether the judge was unfair whether he was treated in a way that was disrespectful or inappropriate. let everyone see the process. witness how it works right so that we can buy in and trust the process, but with respect to how it'll work, it'll work like every defendant, and it should because every defendant is entitled to go up before the court and be treated the same. and what that will look like is i think he'll way they public reading of the charges. i don't think we'll see a judge up there. reading count one. count two. count three or clerk. i think his attorneys will do what most of us do,

which is way before formal reading of the charges, enter plea of not guilty and let's get it on and get edit on means they'll be discovery at some subsequent time. that's legal documents that are submitted, right. what does the evidence say? what does it show and then to the point you made earlier because the attorneys don't know what it looks like they then will and can make the appropriate motions to challenge the evidence before them. yeah i mean, what do you think? i mean, if there is a camera in the room that's a remarkable moment in and of itself, but it could be important to actually get a clear view of what happened in that side that courtroom absolutely, and there is a compelling public interest argument to make. it is absolutely true that new york new york is really regressive in terms of cameras in the courtroom. i do expect there'll be an argument made. i'm not sure what the ruling will be on that. but it's interesting. i was thinking as you were asking that question one of the things we saw over and over, both with michael cohen in terms of trump and then other people in the white house. people have a habit of taping donald trump, and they have a habit of taping donald trump because he spends his own reality and will contradict whatever people say about him. a

camera would be pretty vital in terms of people understanding what happened and not being told that something that's fake news and in an era where trump is saying that all of these reports are not true. i think there is a compelling argument for it. i am skeptical that it will happen. just i covered courts in the state. i know how against cameras in the courtroom. judges are here, but i do think there's going to be a compelling argument made and even toggle into the actual trial itself. imagine right what the public interest and that will be. and so will there be cameras allowed to depict what occurs on the day to day because i think certainly people would want to know obviously remains to be seen. we'll see what we do see. joey jackson. maggie haberman. thank you both for being here. thanks course. the big question is how trump will actually fight these charges, one of the former president's defense attorneys will be here with us next. hi hello there. would you like some

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department of justice's investigation of efforts to overturn the 2020 election in january. 6th good evening and thank you so much for being here. what do you expect tuesday to look like? i think tuesday is going to be relatively anticlimactic arrangements in new york state cord are pretty fast. i think the whole thing probably probably is going to take less than five minutes. you know they'll they'll waive the reading. has joe just said a few minutes ago. they won't really be arguing about bail. and then he'll be out of there pretty quickly. i think question about wouldn't expect too much fireworks. if you will. there's been a question of what the details of this will look like, including whether or not trump is expected to be placed. into handcuffs. is it your understanding that that will not be happening on tuesday? i wouldn't think that that be happening. it's not really necessary. you know, it's something that they do when they have to transport somebody from the precinct. but you know here he's coming in voluntarily. he's under a secret service detail

protection, so you know, handcuffing him for the protection of the officers is not really something that's necessary, so i wouldn't i would not expect that at all. you said you think tuesday will be into climatic we've seen, of course, how long enforcement here in new york is preparing for this. you know that courthouse well, and it does get a bit. crazy down there. are you concerned about security on that day? well, no. when i say anticlimactic, i mean in the courtroom, what's going to happen outside? he's anybody's outside is anybody's guess. i mean, that's that's something. i'm sure the nypd is putting in the extra hours to make sure that they keep safe, but it is definitely it's a difficult area of the city. you know you got open parks on both sides. it's a difficult area to really control with everything going on down there and as well as all the other court operations. i mean, you know, let's not forget this is the new york city criminal court. so every single day you have hundreds of accused criminals by , you know, by the nature of the

building, walking in and out, so it is. i think it's going to be a massive problem for the nypd, but i'm sure they're working on that right now. we've seen republicans like marjorie taylor , green and others say they plan to come to protest the indictment. does that help or does that hurt? i don't think that it may has any effect on what happens in the courtroom. certainly to the extent that the public um you know the public reaction will influence you know whether the d a thinks that this is a good idea to proceed with this, uh, you know this. this is a case that everything that i've seen indicates that it's likely to get dismissed by a judge anyway. so i don't know how much they public protests are really going to sway the judge on that . we don't really actually know if it's going to get dismissed. i know that's certainly a possibility. it's still rates we've seen with these charges are, but i'm glad you brought up. i'm glad you brought up the judge because trump has been trashing him being heavily

critical, saying that the judge he believed hates me spells his name incorrectly in that process earlier is anyone counseling him that it may not be the best idea to go and criticize the judge that he is going to be arraigned before on tuesday. well you know , here's the problem. you have a client who is also a presidential candidate. and so it's not like a normal situation. where you tell the client hey, don't say anything. don't talk about anything because the case is the single most important thing in their life. he is running for president, so he's already got the campaign apparatus and everything else. i mean, i know judge marshawn. i've tried a case in front of him before he can be tough. i don't think that it's necessarily going to be something that's going to change his ability to evaluate the facts and the law in this case, so you know, you really do have that kind of balancing act when you have a client who is also a candidate for office. no one is saying that trump shouldn't be able to defend himself. but it sounds like you think this judge

will actually be fair and does not hate trump, as he said. i wouldn't say that. i mean, i try to case in front of a few years ago that had different political implications. i don't know what he would specifically what is specific views on you know this client would be, but you know, he he's tough. you know, he was definitely not easy on us. in that case, i did win. ah but i the law on these types of things , whether it's the campaign finance issue or the intent to defraud that is within the business records. um falsification statutes are things that there is pretty significant case law on controlling case law from the new york court of appeals and the supreme court. so i think that would be he would be very hard pressed to ignore that precedent and a lot of this case to go forward. in light of that it will see what the judge decides on tuesday. this is such a significant case. and of

course, everyone has noted just how historic this indictment is . you heard from joe tacopina earlier today, saying there is no chance there's a plea deal here. do you think that joe tacopina is the right person to take this case to trial for your client? trump? well i know that susan necklaces, a phenomenal attorney who's working on all the legal aspects of this as to who's going to try the case. i know that joe has certain, um, potential conflict issues, given his prior contacts with stormy daniels. so you know who is the right attorney taken to trial is something that the client will have to decide ultimately. the decision of who to stand next to you before jury is a decision that only the client can make. but it sounds like you don't think that joe tacopina, okay? and you think he has a conflict of interest here ultimately be the person representing trump in this case, i'm i'm not going to comment on joe tacopina. okay last question for you as you were representing trump in the january 6th investigation. you

recently went before the grand jury and that investigation in december. can you still represent trump and do so effectively if you have gone before the grand jury and are technically a witness? sure because what i went in for into the grand jury was in the place of the custodian of records. and so it was really to talk about our efforts to comply with the subpoena and to search all of the locations and defined any mark documents after the raid on mar-a-lago, and so everything that we did. there is something that, um we wanted to tell the jury. it's all very exonerating . and so it's something that you know. i we discussed it, and we decided that i was going to go in and be the best person to go in and explain to the jury that in a case where they have to prove willful retention of documents, what the facts actually show is a persistent pattern of willful return of mark documents whenever they

were found. and so i went through all that with the jury. i think there are definitely some dispute over that. clearly they are looking at obstruction . we know from our reporting, but we will discuss much more on that another time when we have you on again for longer. hopefully tim parlor tory. thank you for your time tonight. all right. thank you are you know as we noted for president, trump has been calling on protests on his behalf ahead of his arraignment on tuesday. we know law enforcement is increasing their presence here in new york city, but also in washington, the ramped up security measures that's ahead, plus more from a new interview with stormy daniels, who says she is now frightened. does she wish that she never came forward? we'll tell you what she said. stay with us. the new chasing business premier card is made for people like sam who make everyday products design smarter , like a smart coffee grinder. fresh beans for you, genius for more breakthroughs like that. i need a breakthrough card like ours. 0.5% cash back on purchases of $5000 or more

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hearing from people on the ground over there? yeah it really is killing when you think about it for the manhattan d a s office who is used to dealing with high profile cases, celebrities who have walked through this door behind me to surrender. this is one hogan place really a story to offend famous place where many significant defendants celebrities have surrendered, and it is expected that potentially those are the doors that the former president could walk through. keep in mind. interestingly enough. his friends have walked through that door to surrender. steve bannon weisberg, who was the former cfo of trump work, they will work walk through that door after they surrendered, but then just security all around here really right now already heightened. let me just show you here, caitlin. barricades like this all across. and around the building here as already, police officials in court officials anticipating what tuesday could look like, but they have already all of these security measures

in place, and then come monday and then certainly tuesday, we're going to see a much larger presence here of police officers also the courthouse here under 24 hour security now the floor the 15th floor that donald trump is expected to appear on that is now closed, so no one from the public can even go on that floor as everyone anticipates and expect for the weights for that appearance on tuesday here, caitlin yeah, so many questions about actually seeing him walk down those halls and such a good point about the people. he's he knows that have turned him themselves in there. parking pass. we know you'll be on top of this. thank you. in the wake of trump's indictment. stormy daniels tonight is talking about the growing threats to her own personal safety. the first time around. i probably got it straight up like death threats or, you know, the one in hundreds. it's like one in 10, and it's especially scary because trump himself is

inciting violence and encouraging it and getting away with it. and i don't i'm not afraid of him or the you know the government, but it just takes one crazy supporter who thinks they're doing, you know god's work, or, you know, protecting democracy, you know, and it's i mean, i'm just looking at a couple of things that have come through in the last two hours and there mhm way more violent and graphic. i want to bring in john miller, cnn's chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst who is also the former nypd deputy commissioner of intelligence and counterterrorism. you hear from stormy daniels, they're saying the threats are worse to her this time. they're actually death threats. they're not just, you know, criticisms or insults. trump obviously been calling her out at his rallies recently, saying, you know she's not someone he would have an affair with. he's also criticizing the judge tonight, saying the judge hates him, even though his own attorney just seemed to disagree with that. ah and, of course,

alvin prague. we all know he's been attacking him. what is the protection look like just for them, not just outside the courthouse, but also for these individuals who are at the center of this really interesting question, and we've been tracking those threats all day. i've kind of been scrolling through them on different social media platforms, and they come with everything from, you know, uh, talking about civil war to, you know threats to the district attorney threats to the courthouse building bomb scares so stormy daniels is in that kind of vitriolic mix now stormy daniels as a private citizen, um , we'll have to deal with local law enforcement wherever she is, and they'll have to determine whether these are credible threats or, you know, hot air online. the nypd is literally going through an inventory of these threats on a streaming basis every day, you know, last week. um i think around midweek they were up to 82. i know that people in that unit, the threat

assessment unit. um you know, this week we're way past 100. they have to go through each one and determine how credible is and whatnot. they're looking at the threats to the judge and the court. so those threats go to the court officers. that's intel for them, and they determined that protection threats to the d . a his own detective squad provides his security and we have seen that visibly. and it up. um and threats to the building. well you were just with shimon a second ago. you see that ring is getting larger and harder around. you saw the detectives that said tarou on the back putting up cameras. that's the technical assistance response unit. you know, they're creating video that will not only give them the ability and the operations unit to look around at what's going on and make command and control decisions. but also record any suspicious activity as well. should we also talking about this? the logistics of tuesday and what it looks like you're hearing there may not actually be a mug shot after all walk

through today, and they said, you know, this is where he's going in. this is where he's going to be booked. he's going to be fingerprinted here that's going to live. scan up to albany. they have to run the prince. the prince come back. he's not wanted. we kind of know that already, but it's part of the process. what they don't have. where they're doing. the booking is the photo manager system that feeds into the mug shot database. but the discussion on that has been actually fascinating. which is a we can worry about this later be. it's not like everybody in the world doesn't know what he looks like. it's not like if he flees to switzerland. they're going to say, we should've had that picture of him. so they're they're saying this is something we can create from other photos or add later, if he's convicted , that becomes a factor if he's not convicted in this case, and he's presumed innocent, obviously, that mug shot would be sealed anyway, and they're worried about the inevitable leak. so the shot is an issue that they're going to get to later. so no mug shot. yes

fingerprints he will get a nice number, which is in the criminal justice system. he will be charged with a felony. he won't be handcuffed, so they're working through details that they normally wouldn't have to work through. it's just extraordinary that the situation in and of itself and bizarre john miller will see if we actually see that mug shot. thank you very much. alright also legally, the former president is in great jeopardy but politically to the criminal charges. help him. do they hurt his electability? what does history tell us? we're going to look at that, plus one of the republicans who actually voted to impeach trump is going to join me live here tonight, he says this indictment is quote, weak sauce. my dad was a hard worker. i used to do side jobs, installing windows charging something like 100 bucks a window when other guys were charging four or 500 bucks you just didn't want to do that is proud of the price he was charging. my dad instilled in me

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um wow, now four imprint dot com imprint for certain i'm phil mattingly at the white house, and this is cnn. donald trump's political life keeps making history you can now add first former president and died it for a crime to that list. he was certainly though not the first politician to run while under indictment, not even actually the first to run for the white house. that was eugene debs, who ran for president back in 1920 while in atlanta penitentiary. he's still on this got a million votes. there are more than two dozen members of congress who have also been indicted. since 1980. we've seen plenty of politicians actually still win office while under indictment. the better year for it was actually in 2018. when trump was in office as president. that was the year that voters in new york reelected republican chris collins, despite those charges

of insider trading, as we know, he later pled guilty to a single charge there. also in california , duncan hunter was sent back to congress as he was facing federal campaign corruption charges to which he also later pleaded guilty. trump's familiar with both collins and hunters cases. of course, he pardoned both men that year. also in montana, representative greg gianforte was reelected even though he had been convicted of assault after he body slammed a journalist. he is now the governor of montana. democrats in new jersey sent bob menendez back to the senate after a jury deadlocked on 14 charges, including conspiracy, bribery and fraud against him. then there's also that case of texas attorney attorney general ken paxton. he has actually been under indictment for almost eight years now, in that time, the republican has won reelection twice. at least recent history would seem to indicate that indictment alone may not be enough for voters to see past the r or the d in front of their name. trump of course, has long made clear how he

thinks his supporters will react to an indictment of his you know what else they say about my people? the polls? they say, i have the most loyal people. did you ever see that? where i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose any voters. okay? it's like incredible. one of the things that could also help trump politically, is the russian republicans that we have seen racing to defend him, some of them who even thought he was unfit for office and voted to impeach him are now criticizing the decision to indict him. that includes our next guest, former michigan congressman peter meyer , who lost his primary after primary after he voted to impeach trump. congressman thank you for being here tonight. you know you have been critical of this. this indictment. what do you make of it? caitlyn i care about precedent, right? and i think that is the hard thing for so many to do because donald trump the man is really hard to separate from anything. people have an opinion on him. nobody is indifferent to him. folks love them. they hate him. but

the important point to remember about this issue is it's not about donald trump. it is about the idea of whether or not we should have a higher threshold for folks who are members of or who are former presidents. should we be treating them? we should certainly shouldn't be treating them above the law, right? nobody should be above the law. but that question of whether or not this individuals also below the law, setting aside the salacious elements of this case, setting aside the fact that we're talking about, um, allegedly hush money to a porn star for an affair, right that is salacious, and but we're not talking about whether or not he's morally culpable. this is a question of whether or not it is worthwhile to have a former president being indicted for what is essentially a minor accounting charge. but on that, does it change. change your view? if there does it, change your view? if when we do see this indictment once it is unsealed if there's felony charges in there, does that change how you're seeing this at all? well the most likely reason

for my understanding why it could be elevated to a felony is if that falsification of business documents is in furtherance of another alleged crime. in this case, i think the assumption is it's around campaign finance charge that the fcc already looked at the federal level, shrugged their shoulders at and did not pursue right. so there are attempts to now re engage that charge to elevate this falsification of business documents. but again, i mean, this is a tenuous, tenuous test case. this is a novel theory and i guarantee you what we will see after this because donald trump, let's be very clear. he was one of the least sympathetic defendants in the history of criminal courts, right, but this is not about donald trump. this is about how this will impact what could very well become a test pattern. of political prosecutions going forward because we do have prosecutorial discretion. but

there's also that deep, deep concern that this is going to lead to retributive acts and we're just going to go on to a period of escalation. that will be terrible for this republic will be terrible for the rule of law. it would be terrible for the perception of justice is blind and a neutral arbiter. do you think trump is innocent? i thought i have no idea. um i think i don't believe as nancy pelosi does that is up to him to prove his innocence again. in the eyes of the law. you know, we have a presumption of innocence as my colleague kelly young, strong from north dakota says all you need to do is watch a law and order episode and you'll get that in the 1st 30 seconds. but i think it's important that we let the facts of the actual case play out. right now. we're assuming based on what we've understood from the d a. s what's been kind of leaked out of the d a s office that we have a rough understanding that parameter if it is something markedly different i will reevaluate, but i think it's also if you look at

the criminal liability that is believed to be kind of swirling around donald trump. right now, you know the porn star hush money makes for the best headlines at the fulton county d. a case around election interference and the january 6th special prosecutor occurring at the federal level. those are cases that could have real meat on their bones. and instead, this is where we're going. this is what is dominating the headlines. this is what is, you know? improving ratings for news organizations is boosting donald trump's fundraising and probably leaving joe biden having a pretty great week. you have seen even liberal legal experts raised concerns about the other cases and how this would affect those peter meyer. thank you so much for joining us on this friday night. for your perspective, we really appreciate you. thank you, caleb. i had more tonight from stormy daniels. whether she regrets the entire episode, she is now speaking out. plus we have been jones and scott jennings. joining me live as the indictment. as you heard the former congressman, noting there

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mused on social media earlier today as to how trump could avoid prosecution in new york sarcastically, tweeted quote trump should smashed some windows, rob a few shops, maybe punch a cop. he would be released immediately. joining us now, for all the reaction we are seeing on capitol hill, cnn, political commentators scott jennings and van jones. good evening to you both. and thank you for being here. scott i saw lindsey graham later tweeted that, he said people were not getting the irony of his tweet. but are you surprised by the republican reaction that we've seen overall on capitol hill in response to this indictment? not really at all. i saw the quinnipiac survey that came out this week they took a large survey over 60% of americans agreed that the indictment was more politically motivated than legally motivated, and that was including 93% of republicans. so if you're a republican politician on capitol hill, and you've got 93% of the people in your party, believing something is politically motivated. uh you know, it was pretty easy to predict how republicans were gonna react to this thing and

that's what you're seeing play out over the last couple of days. i noticed, but mcconnell has not said anything. what do you make of that? well i think he doesn't make a habit of commenting on donald trump these days and what whether it's about him or trump or anything else going on. he's he's tended to live former president alone even though the former president spends quite a bit of time. uh huh. antagonizing me as senate republican leader. he just has chosen not to respond in kind vengeance. what do you make of what we're hearing from people? republicans like marjorie taylor greene, who say they're going to come to new york on tuesday, and they're encouraging others to come with them to protest this indictment. you know, just it's remarkable, complete lack of respect for law and order. you have a republican party now that has a big chunk of people in it. beating up cops january 6th no problem disrespecting the fbi. call them all deep state people , no problem trying to bully and intimidate the top cop in manhattan. bragg who is elected

district attorney, trying to do his job, no problem. there is no assault on law and order. order on law enforcement that a party republican party won't sign onto and it's very scary. overall vannes, you're viewing this. i think people who are fans of trump and people who are his biggest critics agree that we have kind of crossed this turning point. now with this indictment of what this looks like, how do you view it from that perspective, historically speaking. look it, it's a it is scary. i think a lot of democrats kind of swing back and forth between being relieved that something is happening. there may be some accountability for donald trump. because look, you've got all these cases. all these charges. all these prosecutors all just kind of standing at the edge of the swimming pool looking in, but nobody's done anything until now . so there's a sense of relief that somebody is finally done something. and yet there is this worry. that of all the charges you could bring against donald trump to make history with this may not be the one in terms of a novel theory about a hush money

for porn star when you've got the coup and the direction and the voter election interference, so i think even democrats are nervous about this, but i think that if you're talking about where the democrats are coming from somebody needs to do something. donald trump has done so many things for so long. there is a sense of relief that maybe he won't get away with everything. what's your view of it? well i think what van just said is an authentic representation of what some democrats want. they just want donald trump to get his comeuppance for anything. they don't even care. whether it is a good case, they don't care whether it's a seven year old paperwork case about a 16 year old affair. they don't care what it is. they just want this man punished for something, and republicans believe that is a complete weaponization of the criminal justice system. this is not to excuse the underlying behavior in all this. and i don't know that anyone is excusing the underlying behavior . but his van pointed out, there are a lot bigger boulders coming down the hill, georgia, january 6th the mar-a-lago documents

case, this is a small pebble inconsequential to our national public affairs, but i think it's gonna taint everything else that may be coming donald trump's way and that will be at a time when we don't need those cases tainted because they actually matter. unlike this, uh, bologna coming out of new york prosecutor if it is that kind of a case and you've heard we heard trump's attorney earlier tonight , talking about the merits of it, they don't think it's very strong. why are we seeing trump go out and attack the judge and say that he hates trump, even though there was something trump's own attorney seemed to disagree with him. you know, he's been before him before. yes or something bad happens to donald trump. yeah, i'll tell you. i mean, look, it's when something bad happens to donald trump. he attacks everything within a, you know, 50 yard radius. i mean, judges prosecutors. politicians mean remember, he once said ted cruz's dad assassinated jfk. he once made fun of rand paul, who was at 1% in the polls in 2016, for having a weird haircut, attacks everything. and in this particular case, i'm sure he's

embarrassed. for why he's being indicted, and so he tends to react to embarrassment by lashing out. i don't think it's a good legal strategy to left out at the judge who holds your future in his hands, and so it's par for the course and final word. look, i think that it's very dangerous. um the growing attacks on alvin bragg. i think this is a risky situation for him. i don't think there's a physically less safe district attorney in the country right now than alvin bragg. i think people need to calm down and let him do his job. if this is a bad case, the judge will throw it out. it's a good case of jury is going to going to look at it. but you know, calling him you know, soros backed that goes into the fever, swamps of a lot of conspiracy theories about jewish people is a lot of stuff that's being said now about alvin bragg that are dangerous that are wrong spirited and should be cut the cooled off tuesday. we will see tuesday we will see. let's look at the facts apply the law, but i'm

very concerned about the safety of alvin bragg. yeah and we've seen the increased security around him. scott and van. thank you, both for spending your friday night with us. thank you. thank you. caitlyn paid for her silence. that is what all of this is about. but stormy. daniels has certainly not been quiet about that hush money or donald trump. or now his indictment. you might be surprised to hear that whether or not she has any regrets will tell you what she said. next. hi hello there. would you like some lemonade would love some lemonade. dollars please. what? supply chain issues. there's a lemon shortage seen the person of cups these days. inflation undo inflation with dish now get the same tv bill every month, no matter what, for three years, three years tv price guarantee only from dish to you. are you sure are homes gonna sell? watch

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digital distribution 807 538559. before we go tonight. stormy daniels is now speaking out about whether or not it was worth ever sharing her story. i get in these moments where i get emotional i'm like i wish i had never done this. this is so stupid. what the was i thinking? but i still do the same thing because it was the right to do so far enough back to where i did go to the hotel room that night. i. really so far is coming forward. i would i would do the same thing again. stormy has also said she is ready to face trump in court. if it comes to that. we'll see if that happens, but for now, thank you for joining us tonight. cnn's coverage continues right now. hello and welcome to our viewers here in the united states and all around the world. i'm michael holmes. appreciate your company coming up here on cnn

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