to find out how you can get your lexus at 80% less than prescription hearing aid prices . morning, everyone we do begin with breaking news this morning. closed captioning brought to you by flexible family of products fill swift here this is flex superglue get flex superglue and the entire flexible family of products at flex seal products .com. so we've just learned that the manhattan judge will allow five pool photographers to take still photos of donald trump's arraignment tomorrow, but no broadcast cameras will be allowed in the courtroom. several media organizations, including cnn had asked for permission to broadcast the proceedings. but that won't happen. the former president is in trump tower tonight in the midst of a massive security presence in new york city. here with me on our panel. we have vanity fair's molly jong fast.

former federal prosecutor paul krieger is here. former senate candidate joe pinyon, former secret service agent jonathan wackrow, and joining us is cnn's joanie o'sullivan. who as we far as we know, is not form or anything, um okay, guys, great to have you all here. jonathan tell us about secret service and what? how they're preparing tonight and how they can possibly be everywhere and cover this unprecedented event. tomorrow we'll listen to secret service tomorrow plays an interesting role. it's not what we typically see them playing. they're not playing the lead role. the nypd is the lead organizing entity for the security operation tomorrow. the secret service is keenly focused only on donald trump getting him safely from trump tower down to the courthouse and then whether it's back to trump tower or to the airport safely and efficiently, but they're not taking that coordinating role. and there's a reason why here alison because the secret service has to show that they are neutral in this that they're not currying favor towards the former president, which quite honestly in the last

administration they were accused of. they have to make sure that they are not showing favoritism towards him by asking for any special conditions through the through the processing of him tomorrow, but also that they're not focused on the d a. that they're not citing any with anything that the d a wants to do so tomorrow. what you'll see is the secret service in a very unique role as just the protector focused on donald trump. and then should anything happen, deferring to the nypd to deal with the perimeter, the city at large. they are in close coordination, but they are not the main entity tomorrow, i thought was very interesting because obviously nobody is above the law or nobody should be above love. it's on people i think do deserve special treatment, and that's what we're going to see. tomorrow he's not going to be handcuffed because he's a former president. number one, and the secret service is going to be around him, but it also it's a non violent crime tomorrow, where he's escorted by armed secret service agents. 24 hours a day. what is he going to do? let's be a little bit pragmatic about how we're gonna

work through tomorrow. but all the rest of the processing will be the same. he will be fingerprinted. just like everybody else. his pedigree information will be asked by an investigator just like everybody else that's processed through that location. the question is, does he get the mug shot or not ? that we'll find that out tomorrow, but the condition of having somebody handcuffed, most likely not. okay donate tell us what we should expect in terms of security because of extremists. so is there a sense that chatter has increased? and that more threat you know that police are seeing more threats. we know that marjorie taylor green, who is a big donald trump supporter, is coming to protests and the mayor. of new york city , called her out by name and taught her to behave. yeah, alison, i mean, look, there have been fears that tomorrow would be a sort of january 6th style event and what we're seeing online right now does not indicate that that is going to

happen. of course, there are some qualifications there that i'll get to, but what we have seen is there is a lot of outrage online. there has been kind of steady stream. of violent rhetoric, which we have seen, including threats to the district attorney here, alvin bragg. and also, you know, just the general sort of outrage. but what we're not seeing which we saw, you know, in the days and weeks leading up to january, 6th was. we're not seeing that kind of mobilization where people are talking about coming to new york , where people are organizing bosses and flights, etcetera, despite of course, marjorie taylor green calling people to new york. city senior law enforcement officials. people who are familiar with the planning and also, experts who track this online are echoing that that they're not seeing that kind of surge in mobilization. i will point out though very importantly and, of course, something that law enforcement will be wary of tomorrow is that you know the sophisticated players in this game, they are going to be using

encrypted private channels they know now, especially after january 6th that law enforcement the media and everybody else's is keeping an eye on these public. form so it is possible that that organizing organizing is happening in private channels. sure but don't tell me that the police and law enforcement can break into the encrypted channels too, right? jonathan could probably speak better to tell me that they are on top of that not to get into specifics, but law enforcement wants to make sure from an intelligence standpoint that they're staying one step ahead of everybody else. so the actual capabilities i don't want to get into. but let's just say they have a very good understanding of what these groups are doing. but to dhoni's point we did not see in the last 48 hours. any anybody, um, you know, mobilizing a call for action. a call for, you know violent protests, not first amendment free speech protest with violent protests leading into tomorrow. other than you know, 11. congresswoman jo, what are you?

what are your thoughts tonight? i think we have the finest law enforcement department on the planet. and then within that law enforcement department, we have some of the finest intelligence gathering on the planet. i mean, you look at the nypd intelligence bureau. it is better than some nations. and so i think at the end of the day, yes, we all know that. there's this cloud of january 6th that hangs over and not just this day, but i would argue the nation as a whole. in that time capsule is sealed. those images will be in there, but i wouldn't call that a sophisticated day when you've got shamans and all types of nonsense, so that is not undermine the real threat of what happened on that day, but i think that we do ourselves a disservice on this unprecedented day when we're trying to find some level of common ground when we're seeing a pretty divisive action to try to kind of allow that to have even more of an impact on how we view and talk about the day. all your thoughts me and they're not democrats going to protest? i mean, i think this has a part. i think

we have to remember and trump has encouraged them. a lot of these people have really been punished. you know, some of these people are still in jail from january 6th. so i do think , but there has been. i think trump has really tried to make trouble and marjorie taylor green, too, and like there's an opportunity here. to just, you know, get. i mean, i don't think he's had a lot of incendiary torrey language she has to. she has been tweeting up a storm fighting with alvin bragg fighting with you know, the mayor. this is not their city. you know, this is our city, and we want to keep it safe. so i do think that's really problematic. um former president trump predicted death and destruction if he were to be indicted. and then he just tweeted. well, a few days ago, he tweeted this. the judge assigned to my witch hunt case, a case that has never been charged before in all caps hates me. um which you know, could obviously insight some feelings about that judge. of

course. it's also not true that this has never been charged before. it's never been to a former president. that's true, however, as the new york times reports the false business records charge, which is what people specked with this. is the bread and butter of the district attorney's white color practice. mr bragg took office in 2022. since then, prosecutors have filed 117 felony counts of that charge against 29, individuals and companies that is not never charged before. i think there's a distinction that's important to make what we understand the charges are going to be our falsification of books and records in order to commit some kind of election or campaign finance fraud. right, so that is unclear about how often that's been charged the fact that falsifications of books and records are charged regularly. no surprise. those are often misdemeanors. but this is the felony charges have been filed 117 felony charges, so it has to be connected to another crime. in other words, here, it's apparently going to be connected to the campaign finance one of the speculation, i think unusual

and maybe unprecedented. we'll find out and what do you think about the way that president former president trump is talking about this in terms of the judge and the court and the protesters? i don't think he's going to do himself any favors with the judge. if he's from the get go criticizing the judge in this way, but my assumption is that this judge is going to handle this as fairly as possible because he knows the eyes of the world around him. i think also to that point the president doesn't sell for this service because i think the easiest way for him to try to get this resolved in a timely manner may have been to try to get some form of ben stroll or have the judge just throw it out on the actual merits of the case, so, yeah, i don't think he's helping himself there. but i do think a disservice he makes our city more dangerous. i don't i don't think that the act of simply saying that i don't agree with the persecution or the prosecution is something that inherently makes the city less than a car it and look that there are drug addicts falling over the street. this is my city. i grew up here. it's great. i think you're giving congresswoman margaret chili green a little bit too much

credit at the end. of the day. people are talking about it through a political prison because, as the polling shows many, many people believe that this be motivated by politics, so i just think we can't excuse that at the end of the day. this thing is going to be unsealed. this is going to play out it is likely going to last longer than the presidential election, and i think again, we're going to see how that impacts the politics itself. but i think that we have to actually just be honest about the fact that there is a mixed bag here when it comes to people across the aisle, saying this is not the strongest case, maybe should have been brought i mean, it could not be the strongest case. that's certainly true. there are many other cases coming down the pike. great i mean, this is not like a guy who never did anything wrong. i mean, there are many. i mean, in fact, one could say he's been using the presidency as a way to sort of state of others. that is a theory that is only believed by many people who decided they didn't want trump to be president. the united states before we ever came down that escalator, so i just think at the end of the day, we just have to let the facts lead with a may

talk about the actual merits of the case when we actually know exactly what they are, but i think again. the notion that people weren't going to talk about this politically, if that was the goal of brexit never brought this case in the first place. well we will know soon enough. we will know tomorrow what the indictment says. thank you all very much. the latest cnn poll finds a majority of americans approve. of the decision to indict donald trump. but even more think politics did play a role. so what does all of that mean for 2024? we'll talk about it. there's a new breed of hornet sweeping g the nation. ae you picking this up? country by swarm the all new dodge hornet. pine tar bear. um all natural all natural for your old soap to take a hike. dr squatch, the best natural men, soap, deodorant, shampoo. and so much

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donald trump. um no surprise 94% of democrats approve of this. what's interesting, i think is that 62% of independence approved and then 21% joe of republicans approve of the indictment. that's interesting. well, look, i think at the end of the day pause can only tell you so much. i think you cannot look at one pole, but maybe just the actual aggregation of all the polls. you have this poll that says that most americans agree. come to blackpool on the abc poll that says most americans do not agree. i always try to see what is the thread that runs in between all of those polls, and the thing that does run it between all those polls is that most americans believe this to be political. and so whether you believe that it is a witch hunt, as some have suggested, which i think is a bit far or do you believe that somehow that it's just individuals who have maybe abused the discretion here? i think either way, there's enough people they're saying there's something here about this. it doesn't quite feel right on that. molly before i let you answer sir, is the did politics

play a role in the decision to indict donald trump 76% of respondents say yes. 14% say no 10% say not sure, okay. i mean again. it doesn't matter what the polling is right. if you do a lot of crimes that you know the job is to then prosecute those crimes, i would say and again, we don't know if he's done crimes yet. we just know that he certainly has been nearer things that look problematic, but but i would just say the thing with with this is that if i were a republican, i'd be real worried about all those independents who think this is a good idea because, like the republican base loves this guy and they are all in and he's raising money and they are, you know, but you're going to have to in order to become president. again, he would have to win over some of those swinging voters, and i just don't think that those people are going to be drawn in by those indictments. look, i think i think to your point again, they're going to try to hang the felony indictment around every single republican up and down the ballot. come

2024, but ultimately, as you get closer to election day, it's going to be about the economy is going to be about the state of the world. when it comes to russia and ukraine is going to be about a lot of issues that ultimately will not be tied to what alvin bragg decided to do tomorrow. hall as a former prosecutor. what do you think about the claims that this is political? so look, i know alvin bragg. i've worked with alvin bragg have a lot of respect for alvin bragg. i don't think he's a political person. but look, we haven't seen the indictment. i think these polls you just referenced people's views of this indictment in this whole prosecution are going to evolve and they're going to evolve quickly after they see what the charges are, if they have a sense of what the proof is that they have a sense of what donald trump is going to put it forward as his defense. this is political alvin bragg has made of miscalculation because donald trump has raised millions of dollars from this, in other words, if it was politically designed to hurt donald trump, he's appears strengthening his base. he's raising millions of dollars. but i think the point again is some of those centrist

voters who are not in the base and who i would think if i were, you know, sitting to my right or doing republican strategy work. i'd be pretty concerned about when the base gets way ahead of the centrist kind of regular republicans who used to run the party. and kind of runs away with this, but, you know, i'm finding the whole i was thinking back to the clinton impeachment a million years ago and i suspect then the numbers were probably pretty similar. but as we just said, you know when, when the details come out, they may still track your priors. you may just still feel it may just be republican democrat. but there will be more detail here and i think, really, this should be a somber moment, right. i have a lot of friends on the on the left side of the spectrum who are doing a happy dance right now, and i don't think that's appropriate. if we again we don't really know what's in the in the indictment yet, but it looks like these are serious. these are potentially serious crimes. and this is a former president. and this is an incredibly divisive and political moment, and this should not be times to be inciting anger on the hard right or doing happy dances on the hard left. what about my argument that if this was political, it doesn't seem to be

working. it's only helping donald trump only seems to be helping him. if to your point, the goal is to actually somehow wound him with the primary if the goal is to ensure that he is the nominee, i think alvin bragg may have just succeeded. so i think if you take a step back part of why ensure that he's the nominee. isn't that what donald trump wants? in other words, if alvin bragg is doing this to politically injured donald trump, it's not working. the senate majority leader decided they were going to spend millions of dollars in primaries to help nudge through people that were deemed maga nominees back in 2022. i think like what ? we'll know this isn't hurting donald trump. i think that for whatever reason, alvin bragg thinks this is the right thing to do. i don't know him personally, i'll take many mutual friends at their word that he is a good man. you think she's doing the right thing? i would simply note that part of the reason why you see the disproportion outrage over this is because this is not a man who's out here doing the oprah winfrey. you get a felony. you get a felony. everyone gets a felony. he's not doing that. i think you see the rampant crime that we've seen all across new york city. i think that i don't

think it is really we're talking about just read to you. there were 117 felony charges in the past 15 months you're talking about is the charge which again? we don't know the full nature of the charges being brought forward. on a consistent basis talking about i'm talking about this, but we don't know. i think the fact of the matter is that when you're looking at what are the issues with crime around new york city? part of the reason why the zeldin had one of the best performances going all the way back to 1994 was because the fact that there is concern for safety in the city and the fact that we have a d a. that doesn't prioritize issues, i think finds a lot of people who knew you were saying this political go ahead. i'm sorry. this is just such a gop talking point. the guy is in trouble for paying off his mistress. the woman that he had an affair with with his third allegedly had an affair with while he was married to his third wife. this is a this is about a politician. this is not about crime in new york. i mean , the gop talking point on here is so crazy. i don't think it's that crazy when you look at the fact that again, alvin bragg has failed in many ways as a d a. i

think that's a perception that a lot of people across the political spectrum have shared and i think that if you're looking at having the conversation about is this the best allocation of resources they're great number of people perception that's been egged on by, you know, a prominent news network and a whole sort of cheering squad, saying the crime is up when actually crime is not up in 20 22/20 21 is only down if you're looking at it through in 1990 lands, not if you look at it from a 2021 to 2020 that's not accurate, crime violent crime in new york city but declined in 2022, but there's not a claim that this alvin bragg is not one of these days. who said i'm just not going to prosecute anything he had. he had a day, one memo that effectively said as much about violence. can't say as much. it said non violent crime in certain nonviolent drug, but they have chosen to prosecute many of the people who have walked into buildings with weapons for the purpose of the committing crimes as misdemeanors. here's what i'm saying. i think that there is a reality here that people don't want to accept. which is that? yes there was a point in 2022 you when sexual assault had been

up 300% there was a point in 2022. when shootings have been up 14% that is those are crimes. those are victims. and i think that people look at that and see how pa chrissy when he has come up with what appears by many again, not just me to be a novel legal. here is the question. does trump never, ever? i mean, he's just gets a pass for anything, no matter what the past is clearly not getting the past, but he hasn't again. do think you should get a power. i think that there are many people who are attorneys. not me, who have said that this case to them doesn't seem the strongest. i hear you, joe. that is true. but it wasn't one of the strongest of the ones that he is being investigated for paul, if you could just bring it home, because you are the person who knows alvin bragg and who has been a prosecutor? i think it's a little premature now. to assess whether this case is strong or weak, political or not. i think we will know a lot more tomorrow and we'll know a lot more as this case goes forward about the strength of it in the motivations behind it and the proof i have to go. but i am

curious just because you were hearing you were at the s, d n y. you have a sense of why the s d n y didn't do this? i have no first hand knowledge. all i've all i have is what i've read in the papers, which is there some concern about michael cohen not being fully forthcoming. and of course, there's the doj memo, which prohibits indicting a sitting president when he was sitting president. but now, as you see, the dea has done it after president trump was out of office, and the ny could have done that as well, since michael cohen went to jail for this crime that they could have if they thought the proof was there. they decided not to thank you all very much. okay up next controversy on the court. l s u star angel reese. aims at taunting gesture at iowa basketball star katelyn polantz take a look at what really happened there. good morning, everyone so o glad you could jon us. joining us now are two lawmakers from different sides of the aisle. people are hyper focused on two issues, inflation and crime. violent crime is up,

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analyst christine brennan. christine i don't get the controversy. isn't this what you do in sports and games? well, yes, especially when the women's game is this popular now it is this physical title 9 50 years old. here's the birthday present for title lines. 50th you know this game ratings more than 12 million people more than 100% better than last year's. i mean, these are extraordinary numbers . women's sports is here to say it's a tough game and yes, there's some trash talking and people have to get over it. and i and i, frankly, here we are allison, the men's game on another network is probably ending about now. and what are we doing more than 24 hours later, we're talking about the women's game. talk about a wonderful development. controversy is good, no matter what you think, and people are gonna be talking about katelyn polantz financial rest for a long time. okay plot twist right there. i did not see you wrapping it up. that way. i thought you were gonna be like, and here we are talking about

the controversy instead of their incredible, you know, skill, but you think think it's good that we're still talking about this. oh, totally. i mean, the skill is there and we know that i mean, my goodness, katelyn polantz arc. the reason those ratings were so great is because of katelyn polantz. i mean, that is a fact. she's a singular athlete. the way she's had the 41 points twice, and you know, in a row, you have magic johnson and people like her people like him tweeting about her. you've got guys i know well , who would never turn on women's sports who are going absolutely crazy about katelyn polantz and the women's tournament? she had 30 points yesterday, so it wasn't her best outing. she was still the leading scorer in the game, angel rays and l s u one. but absolutely as long as you're talking about it, as long as you're not ignoring it, alison as long as people care about it and are passionate and are out there on social media having arguments, i don't think arguments about racism. um but it is our good buddy national conversation about these issues

absolutely, and what it involves women athletes. that is success. okay, so karen me show you what angel reece said after people gave her grief for making this gesture. all year i was critique about who i was nobody i don't yeah, the narrative i don't fit the narrative. i don't fit in the box that you want me to be in i'm too hood. i'm too ghetto . y'all told me that all year, but when other people do it you don't say nothing. so this is for the girls that look like me that one that's going to speak up on what they believe in apologizing at you. your thoughts on all this angels, a black girl at work. that's how it lays. sometimes we don't always get a fair shake. it doesn't matter how talented one is clearly, angels, an elite athlete, but i want to use this moment. really, i think to echo

um what was just said women's basketball is leading the basketball conversation. and angel is a big part of that, you know? where she's from and where people play basketball for real in the hood, the hood that she's referring to talking crap is part of the game, so i don't think that any additional attention on her because of that is really fair. but i just think that she is in her moment. she she said it herself. she's in her bag and to be in one's bag. she's over this. we're talking about it. she's over it. she's celebrating. she's popping bottles. she's living her best life right now. and i'm i'm here for that. all your thoughts. i'm here for her to man. i mean, i just, you know, for the little girls who look like me and me an and sound like me. you can have it. you know, this is what we're this is the goal of you know what we're all trying to do here, so yeah, i was really

moved. i'm scared of trash talk . that's why i'm not nothing has nothing to do, joe, with my skill, okay? i just i'm scared of it. i think at the end of the day there's a deep story here, which is why i think there were so many people. maybe she's in her bag. but there are some people that were troubled by and they should be. this goes all the way back to when we had the first women's hsbc, you team that went to the final four, only to be left off of the t shirt. three teams on the t shirt for final four. this goes all the way back to when we had black women. young women refer to as nappy headed. you know what? by don imus famously. so i think again. there is a long history here that what is different here right if the actions are the same. what has deemed that person a threat. when is it gone from competition ? guy seems to trash talking all the time and justice, right? i think we do ourselves a disservice to shrink it down to the size of a mustard seed. what is the difference between somebody walking on the dartmouth campus with the hoodie and somebody walking in south florida with the hoodie on their

way home with a package of skills, the only distinct difference between those two people is the color of their skin. and so i think, if you translate that to what happened here with this young lady? we just again reveling in the competition going against somebody that will go down as one of the greatest ever and they're going to walk away without the ring that was promised. i think that to me. yes we should be talking about women carrying the day. they're probably more people excited about that game. then around the game that we're missing tonight. certainly i was, but i think again, um, it will be doing ourselves a disservice not to recognize the layers upon layers of pain and suffering. that goes through the point. it's just a truly inspiring moment. also brought up sort of the beauty and the terror of the american experience. it's funny that all of this can happen in the context of a of a basketball game. and yet it does. you know, this is where we have some of these recognitions again about what's beautiful and what's tragic about our country's experience. thank you all very much. we have to get to this because up next, there's this sad legal battle over a goat and

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shasta county and district fair officials. we reached out to them, but they're not commenting on the case, so i want to turn now to the attorney for the girl's family, but necessary to keep she's co founder of advancing law for animals. vanessa, thanks so much for being here. can you just give us a little bit of a history? when this nine year old girl whose name we're not broadcasting when she got this goat? what did she think the end result was going to be with this goat? well, thank you so much for having me today. i really appreciate it. this is truly a shocking story and a textbook example of government gone rogue. we have a nine year old who raised a little goat and absolutely fell in love with cedar, and it wasn't until she got to that auction that she truly understood what would happen to him and because cedar was her property. before the auction at the auction, and because she had an absolute statutory right to walk and dis affirm that contract, there was no problem

legally speaking with her leaving and what happened next was absolutely outrageous. so let's talk about that. her mother basically wrote a letter to the fair officials and said. um my daughter has actually had a very hard year. she lost three of her grandparents. we'd like to not have the goat. well i'll actually read it here. our daughter lost three grandparents within the last year, and our family has had so much heartbreak and sadness that i couldn't bear the thought of the following weeks of sadness after the slaughter of her first livestock animals, so they were basically asking you know, for leniency for this goat, and then what happened? what happened next is truly abhorrent. as i've said the little girl owned cedar , and she had a statutory right to leave this fair, but the officials here transformed what at best was a simple property dispute into a criminal circus and sheriffs here got a warrant. authorizing them to breach

entryways to go get a little girl's beloved pet goat. this is absolutely a gross miscarriage of justice and a failure of priorities. so somehow police drove something like 500 miles looking for this goat. they thought it was at one. um you know, sort of retreat. it wasn't they had to drive back and they found the goat and it was reportedly killed. so now the lawsuit. what's the crime here? what are you see? suing for we have a laundry list of crimes here going through the constitution. we have claims for violations of the first amendment. the fourth amendment , the 14th amendment were alleging viewpoint discrimination, unlawful search and seizure of violation of this little girl's due process rights as well as intentional infliction of emotional distress . because the bottom line is here, these officials knew of the property dispute. and in fact, my clients owned this scope and they went with a

warrant drove 500 miles across several county lines to take this go and instead of abiding by the law and holding caesar until this issue was adjudicated , they turned him over for slaughter. they improperly acted as judge, jury and executioner. and that is not the role of the sheriff's. here is what the shasta district fair ceo said about why they would not allow this nine year old to keep the goat from being slaughtered. they said. making an exception for you will only teach our youth that they do not have to abide by the rules that are set up for all participants. also in this era of social media, this has been a negative experience for the fairgrounds as this has been all over facebook and instagram, so that was their rationale for not giving her um you know any any, uh, sympathy on that? so how she doing? vanessa? how's the little girl doing? as we can all imagine, she's absolutely devastated and

traumatized. we are a nation of pet lovers. many of us have pets at home. we have dogs and cats that we know and love and we consider members of our family. this little girl lost a member of her family, and she is absolutely heartbroken. vanessa shakib. thank you very much. please keep us posted on what happens here and my panel is back with me now. molly wasn't this the plot of charlotte's web ? this was exactly how charlotte's web went when fern love with wilbur, but she was able to keep wilbur remember, and we all love that book very happy about that. and look and this went in the opposite horrible direction. i don't think this is the best use of the police's resources. i mean, driving 500 miles and going and executing a search warrant for a little goat. i mean, i think this is wrong. and by the way, the fairgrounds really come off looking terrible. right then it was all over. instagram is not good for their social really

like these are people. these are children like i don't care about your brand. this is a child, but i mean what they say. j because i know you. you blame me when i try to defend them. but they say thank you. that's what you've been telling me during the commercial break is that this was a setup. you were going to this part of the learning experience was you were going to see how you care for a goat and the food process. the food pyramid is you care for this goat? there's goat is then slaughtered to be turned into meat for people's barbecue. that was the process that you were going to be learning. the quality of mercy is not strained. spare the goat, right? this is just feels like this bizarre, definite. it feels like there's something we don't yet know about this case, and i'm curious, you know? look, we spent two weeks with gwyneth paltrow. g trial maybe, you know the reliant goat. the sort of george romero version of charlotte's web is going to be the next thing to capture america's interest or not. i mean, look, there's so much here

. first of all, if you have a pet that you love hire that woman second of all, because that was amazing. i mean, we have everything here we have big government overreach. big government has gone rogue. remind people that senator rand . paul has a no knock warrant. uh proposition sitting in the senate collecting dust. call chuck schumer asked him to get it passed. um i just think at the end of the day there is so much that we can dig into here because that goat should still be alive today, and we're not for big government. that girl would have a fair is now this government clearly these guys, whoever these sheriffs are and the fairgrounds who are upset about how it looks on facebook. this is this is the law and order caucus. these children need to learn a lesson. you're going to kill your goat. you're going to kill your goat. this isn't john wayne. what did this guy who's tax dollars who paid for these cops and the overtime and the gas? 100 miles give them the car? did the go get me a

great point. problematic such a great point. if you give a good a name that is not generally what goes to auction slaughter have names. i think so. i have trouble but grandpa that's called a pet. let us not call rand paul, the hero of this story. just take a moment. the story they could be. that he could sure the legal defense fund for animals has a pretty hard left view about like animal rights also in the constitution, so be careful who you kind of get into bed with. alright alright, friends. i don't know how we got to rand. paul from that story, fellows? yes strange bedfellows, indeed. alright thank you very much. now listen to this story. imagine going on 34 dates in 19 countries. in just one year. a woman from washington state did just that. wait till you hear what she learned. as a result, that's last. weeds have you surrounded ? take your lord back w with

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and say that because you're saying who paid for this paid for this? it's just exactly and it also like i don't maybe it's because i'm a book editor, but it seems like a ploy for a book deal. it just seems slightly disingenuous. the original premise are you looking for love? do you need to go to 100 countries? it just doesn't seem i don't buy it like i think that's where i'm landing. interesting how did she find the dates? such a good point? but i mean, i guess on and hinge. are you looking? what? what's the angle? i think it's just to have a story to tell and then to sit amongst the natives. that's the other piece. that's not really being stated, but i feel like there is some white girl privilege here that um, is being used in a very awkward way. molly also feel like if we're going on a date, you should be open to the date and not the you know, not the five days after that date, you know, there is a certain like, lack of you know you should. if you're gonna waste somebody's time you want to really be open to possibly

going out with you don't believe that she was actually looking for love. you think she was looking for an experience as she is talking about looking for experiences here and she says here as a younger woman she saw dating as a means to an end. to find a husband, but now she considers it a privilege to hear someone's story and get to know them without the burden of expectations. i mean, but the burden of expectation. you mean like the second date like what's the burden? and what's the red? she was having a good time. just call it a good time trip, girl. just call it a good time. eat, pray, love exactly like she wants to have her adventures. but you know, it's just kind of catfish, e. if you don't say what you're really about, you know if you're saying, oh, yeah, and one of those meals i read the story, you know if she was, i think in egypt and during ramadan and you know they have tired. the big meal. it's a big meal, right? that's like a big deal. and so she like, gets this whole thing and then leaves the country. right i mean, if this guy and i didn't know it was hinge, actually, because right, that's supposed to be a little more relationship. be so she's kind of putting it out there

that you know she's looking for something. meanwhile she's doing a tour of the middle east. north africa girls gotta eat j this this whole i would agree. it's very eat, pray, book deal, and i just think that the under currents of that are saying, what are you going to make some broad extrapolation about a whole type of people based on one date with one person on your way through town? it just. it's not. no no, no. yeah well, um lani james's here i'd like to bring was kidding when i was a lot younger and did burka, though. hmm some of these conversations are great. just be honest about what they are like. hey, i'm traveling through town, like let's get dinner and i loved that time in my life and you know, i look back on it and just don't make it into either the book deal material or looking for strangers. i just want to meet strangers. okay it doesn't have to be a exactly it's too much of a hook. friends thank you very much. really entertaining. alright tomorrow morning on cnn this morning. the team is going to be live from

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