4000 incidents per 100,000 people. that's nearly three times the rate of new york city. friends of bobbly say all that matters now is the one crime that has them in morning i talked about his kids a lot family, just generally good guy. and some are speculating that this was a random attack with the san francisco police department has not released any information around the circumstances around his stabbing death. they have also not released. any information about a suspect. aaron. alright veronica. thank you very much for all that new reporting. and thanks so much to all of you for joining us a. c 3 60 begins now. more than 24 hours after the former president was arraigned tonight. new trouble for him former vice president mike pence, no longer fighting in court now willing to testify before a grand jury in the department of justice's investigation to january 6th about direct conversations he

had with the former president, leading up to that day when he and his family were forced to flee a mob demanding he be hanged. today former vice president pence dropped his appeal of the federal court decision ordering his testimony . this would be the first time that a former vice president testifies about his former boss and a criminal investigation. in this case, the boss who according to testimony before the january, 6th select committee, said he deserved to be hanged. you. if i were you, i would still be livid. with donald trump. i would be so furious. and i know you're a measured man. um but are you still angry? well i must tell you the president's words and tweet that day. we're reckless. endangered my family and all the people at the capitol. and i was angry. but you know, my

christian faith tells me to be quick to listen. slow to speak and slow to become angry. and then the christian faith. forgiveness is not optional. forgiving is one thing for getting another. we'll see how much he remembers under oath, and there are signs of deep concern in the trump camp. on the federal front, new cnn reporting multiple sources telling our katelyn polantz tonight that the aggressive moves taken by the special counsel have deeply concerned those in trump's inner circle, especially on the documents investigation. as for his former boss, the former president, as he often does when he sees trouble coming, he lashes out. last night, he called the special counsel investigating him lunatic. this lunatic special prosecutor named jack smith. i wonder what it was prior to a change. that last bit is odd. he's claiming jack smith changed his name. this is a 1980 70 yearbook photo of jack smith in his hometown paper today, which reveals his name back then, was jack smith. now today , the former president is

actually calling for the defunding of federal law enforcement. he posted this today on his social network, quoting now republicans in congress should defund the doj and fbi until they come to their senses. last night. he also verbally attacked the judge in his new york case, the judge's wife and the judge's daughter. we start with mr pence's decision to testify. cnn's sara murray joins us now what more do we know about the testimony him opting not to appeal the ruling that orders him to testify? obviously, you know, it's a significant step that he has decided not to appeal. a prior court had said he must testify about his conversations with donald trump in the run up to january. 6th where we, of course know the former president put enormous pressure on mike pence not to certify the results of the 2020 election he did get, you know a slim victory from the court, saying that there were there was a period where pence was serving as president of the senate, and he doesn't have to answer. questions related to that. so, essentially what we heard from pence's team today is they're going to take that as a victory. they're going to take

that as sort of a constitutional win, and they are now willing to put mike pence before a federal grand jury. do we know when he may testify? there is not yet a date that we are aware of for him to go in front of the grand jury, but we know that in other cases with other witnesses, prosecutors have tend to attended to move. pretty quickly to try to get these folks in front of a grand jury and get their testimony. can the former president block it? he can try. you know, he made an executive privilege argument. when it came to mike pence. the lower court was not buying that did not buy the notion that pence should not talk about his conversations with trump. trump would try to appeal on that front again. but he has lost this kind of argument again with mike pence already when it comes to mark meadows when it comes to pets of bologna, the former white house counsel. they have not had success on this even as the trump team insists that the government is plowing through constitution. all norms and insisting there should be no case against the president. the former president in the first place, anderson, i appreciate the update. thanks joining us now cnn political commentator republican consultant margaret hoover also sir matthews, who served as deputy press secretary in the previous administration,

and testified before the january 6th committee. and elliot williams, former deputy assistant attorney general, currently cnn legal analyst are you surprised margaret that he was going to testify? no i'm not surprised. look, i think it's not fair to characterize mike pence's resistance to testifying as though he didn't want to cooperate with the special counsel. he had a very narrow grounds on which he was resisting his testimony, which was an actually constitutionally grounded argument and separation of powers like we haven't spent a lot of time talking about the idiosyncrasies of the constitution and the trump era, especially with people who work in the administration. but my pants deserves the benefit of doubt of somebody who has defended the constitution against the backdrop of the argument you made the conversation between the vice president and the president should be kept that the president should be able to have these conversations. that's an executive privilege conversation . he was actually suggesting. this is a separation of powers. question there is a speech and debate clause because he was president of the senate at a certain time, so that is the very narrow constitutional argued he was making which, by the way, the judge conceded on

and now in federal law, there is precedent because mike pence push that back. we both know he has no problem talking about january 6th. he wrote an entire you know, a book where he really focused on it. his entire media tour around his book was about his role on january 6th. i think we should take mike pence at face value that he was standing up for a principle in the constitution and is now moving forward elliot if the former president does decide to appeal with an executive privilege claim would it first go to the appeals court and if you wanted to the supreme court how and if so, how long could that delay things? well look, the courts have proven in these matters. anderson they can resolve some of these issues overnight. frankly if you remember the last time this constitutional question came up before the d c circuit court of appeals, literally, they set the timelines for the parties at midnight and six am the next morning, so they're able to move quickly. if they want to. yes the procedure would be that it would go to the d c circuit court of appeals right here in washington and then the united

states supreme court. but look as the reporting said that, sara's reporting said at the top of the segment, the president has consistently lost these executive privilege. questions yes, exactly. like you and margaret, we're talking about a moment ago. you want the president and vice president to be able to speak freely on behalf of the american people when they're doing work, but that cannot and is not in the law doesn't recognize that as a blanket license to talk about anything, particularly when there's a criminal investigation report 70 system on that, sarah you were in the white house. in the days leading up to january, 6th testified about your experience that day to the january 6th committee. how critical do you think? could the former vice president testimony be to the doj investigation? because to margaret's point, i mean, he did write a book in which he talked about this. he has spoken about it in interviews. i certainly think that there's more that he can share. yes he did write a book and there he detailed some of that in there, but i do think that there will be more than he can shed light on, particularly when it comes to his

conversations with the former president, and what the former president's mindset and intent was to try to overturn the election. and i'm encouraged that mike pence is not going to appeal this ruling. he's someone i have the utmost respect for, and i do believe that his testimony before the grand jury will be honest and transparent and truth. people do you agree that that there's that there he has more to tell he's never told it under oath. so having the vice president of united states with a special counsel under oath, i think adds enormous value. he also last night, margaret, you know, railed against many things, but against the mar-a-lago document investigation, which is clearly concerning to him. i mean, it's such a tell that he rails against these things publicly and says all the stuff you shouldn't say out loud. he actually says it out loud. i just want to play with some of what he said about how he did nothing wrong. get out of the boxes, hooks. as we call it just so everyone knows i come under what's known as the presidential records act, which was designed

and approved by congress long ago. just for this reason. under the act. i'm supposed to negotiate with narrow the national archives and records administration. we were negotiating and very. good faith proper way in order to return some or all of the documents that i openly and in very plain sight. i brought with me to mar-a-lago from our beautiful white house, just as virtually every other president has done in the past. it's not written in that you're supposed to negotiate. secondly, he was negotiating in good faith. obviously he was they were dragging this out, and they lied about it. does it seem like that's the case? that's concerning him a lot. so it sounds like a based on how he's talking about it, but this is again. classic trump. he's back up is down. left is right. you know, the sky isn't blue bizarro world. he's trying to nobody. most individual most americans don't know about the national

archives and records administration, the presidential records act. i happen to sit on the board of a presidential library and worked in the white house. everyone who walks through the door of the white house anderson is briefed on what you do with your documents and your emails when you work there and let me tell you, the president is why do you think he pulled documents out of the staff had to pull documents out of the toilet and ripped up documents out of out of the trash can because he knows he was not supposed to get rid or destroy those documents. so yeah. he is trying to inform his supporters with lies in order for it to give them their marching orders so they can go to the public square and argue on his behalf. we mentioned multiple sources have told cnn's katelyn polantz that aggressive moves taken by the special counsel jack smith, have been deeply concerned those in trump's inner circle, especially on the documents, investigation. do you think there's good reason for the president to the former president, especially fear the documents case. i do well again . i should say it's there's a reason for any party to fear any

time they're being investigated that extends frankly, to the new york city th as well. there are some reporting as folks may be familiar with from the washington post earlier this week that involved information or allegations that the former president even after a subpoena had come his way was directing his staff potentially to go in the boxes or hide them and their surveillance images and so on. that is quite troubling because it's possibly evidence of obstruction of justice. which itself is an incredibly serious crime. on top of the document, mishandling and retention crimes the president might be investigated for it is incredibly serious, and it does see seem as we've been talking about tonight that that they're moving along with that investigation. sarah when you were in the white house was keeping documents was that something that was well known about? yeah every white house employee goes through, um, you know, training and is told how to dispose of classified material. i know that if i personally went home with classified documents and was

told to return them that i would have, you know, the fbi knocking on my door and hauling me in to be arrested? um i think another thing to put that trump is going to do in this case. to try to deflect is to point to the fact that other presidents have mistakenly taken classified. material with them, but i think his remarks showed last night that he purposely took this material. and then, when he was asked to return it, he refused to do so. and that's really the issue at hand is that he didn't want to return the material because he thought he had a right to keep it. which he obviously doesn't also, sir, you know, we mentioned the former president is calling congressional republicans to quote defund the department of justice and the fbi until they come to their senses and quote. i mean, it's extraordinary that the front runner of the gop, which is always claimed to be the law and order party, in saying such a thing. i mean, he's talking about de funding federal law enforcement. obviously, republicans accused democrats wanting to defund police, which only i think one or two actual members, democratic members of the house

of actually backed that idea. um as a loyal republican. can you believe this? i think that it's totally hypocritical on donald trump's part, and i think jim jordans scene has also come out in support of this idea. um you know, republicans were critical of those democrats who called for defunding the police and i think they were right and to do that, and to be critical of that, but i think that now for them to want to defund other law enforcement agencies, it's just absurd. it margaret, last time in the problem that the justice department's special counsel investigation the former top national security official testified to a federal grand jury, they repeatedly told the former president and his allies the government didn't have the authority to seize voting machines after the 2020 election. how is that for the former president? that he was informed of this and yet they went ahead to look into plans on trying to do that plans were

drafted executive orders that came out and in an oval office meeting on december 18th suggesting and that the department of homeland security and the national security staffers had to try to persuade him that he didn't have the authority to do that. look, this has come out before, but what i think it does, anderson is it demonstrates to us the scope and the breath of details that jack smith is putting together in order to make a case that trump was trying to overturn the election. i mean, in the january 6th committee hearings we heard about how trump was choking up the crowd. we heard about how he was working with sidney powell on the legal front. but what we see now is all of those things are being covered by jack smith and this national security component. i think it just demonstrates how broad the cases putting together is margaret hoover. appreciate it, sir matthew's elliot williams thanks so much at the top of the hour, cnn's pamela brown hosts a special hour inside the trump investigations. that's cnn. primetime nine eastern right here next for us journalist ronan farrow, who's reporting on

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catch and kill live spies and conspiracy to protect predators. does it seem to you like david pecker is front and center in this that he could be the star witness for the district attorney? well, we don't have to do much interpreting to draw that conclusion. the facts are. he's already testified a couple of times before this grand jury . now that we have this statement of facts from bragg, the manhattan d a. we know that he's putting right at the heart of his argument. anderson this wider pattern of am i transactions, not just the one that went directly from michael cohen to stormy daniels reads like your report. i mean, you are at. i mean, i don't know if you weren't called as a witness, but i mean, it's your reporting. is front and center in all of this. yeah, i mean, it was striking to a lot of the sources in that reporting that they opened up the same news we did and right there in the center in this effort to make a case that this was a pattern to defraud voters that it was undertaken in collaboration with others from am i. there's for instance, the

story of the doorman who sold a story to him. i about a rumored trump love child, and then they suppressed that that was one that i reported on, and it's right there front and center and the reason that's in the statement of fact or one of the reasons it's in the statement. the fact is because you know the trump attorneys and associates were making the argument. well, this was about could have been about protecting melania and not wanting this information out. what in the statement of fact, it says about the doorman is that not only did pecker agree to catch that story and kill it and hold on to it? um but when am i determined that it was likely a false story? they'd paid $30,000 to catch it. he calls michael cohen michael cohen tells him. no, no, no, don't release it. pecker wanted to release it, cohen told him, according to the statement, of fact, hang on into until after the campaign again, it being all about manipulating the presidential campaign exactly right. and that was the first of several transactions. after that there was their payment to karen macdougal, the former playboy model, which i reported on. and

after that there was this payment to stormy daniels which , although it didn't go through am i financially am i did. speak to stormy and her representatives. they did consider taking it on. and this is what's interesting, actually , as a prediction of how this is all going to go, anderson at that point in time, we know from an earlier nonprosecution agreement struck between federal prosecutors and the folks at m my pecker actually felt overextended, and apparently knowing that this would look bad someday, said a plan that was in place to reimburse, am i for those costs for the macdougal transaction that was going to be called off? and they then went and said, you know what? michael cohen, you can pay off stormy daniels yourself. a lot of claims by the trump attorneys again about this was about sparing melania trump. the statement of facts says that i mean, it shows time and again. this was all about manipulating the presidential race. it says that there was this meeting in trump tower in 2015. shortly after the president announced that he was running for the first time. pecker agreed. this is from the statement effect. pecker agreed to quote act as

the eyes and ears so he will testify to i guess that term being the eyes and ears for the trump campaign by looking out for negative stories about trump and then alerting michael to have two big assets here, they're going to have michael cohen. now there are problems with putting michael cohen on the stand, right, michael cones of credibility has been assailed . people can say that he has an ax to grind. he has an agenda, but he's going to be a piece of this puzzle. he was in a lot of those rooms, and we know that he is game to turn on trump a liar. michael cohen has been david pecker. i mean, whatever you think of his reputation in his work. he actually verifies everything, michael cohen says. that's exactly right. so pecker becomes absolutely central and important. and look, we know from the non prosecution agreement that i mentioned with federal prosecutors that he is also willing to sing on this does david pecker? help the d a approved the underlying crime that elevates this to make it a felony, so they haven't specified exactly what that predicate will be. what the

crime will be that that these business accounting misrepresentations were in service of, but we know from brags press conference yesterday that he's looking in this area of election law, possibly both state and federal, and for sure having david pecker say to this grand jury. we were doing this as part of a plan to protect him during the election, specifically not just to spare his marriage, not just to spare his personal reputation that's going to be powerful. that's going to be important to the case they're making. the other question is, you know there's been a lot of questions. well what what was new in this? what was new that made brag. move forward with this when you know the feds didn't move forward on it when this has been the zombie cases hanging around is the new thing. david peckers willingness to cooperate well, we know from that moment with federal prosecutors that he's been in a place of willing cooperation with authorities for some time now to save his own skin, so i don't think that is a new development. i think what's new here and what we see in this statement of facts that they've released in the press conference is this very inclusive legal

approach where they're pulling in the doorman transaction. they're pulling in mcdougal's case, and they're saying this was a pattern and that's how we're going to establish intent does you know, there was a lot of talk yesterday that it when people first looking at this well, it's there's nothing really new here. is this really a strong case? what do you think? you know, it continues to be an unproven legal argument. there's not a lot of case law doing this specific thing of using this kind of election law predicate to essentially turn what would be a business accounting misdemeanor into a felony. i think that the legal skepticism around that is fairly justified that said that wider argument the willingness to bring in these facts about the ami scheme writ large does give them a shot. at clearing that hurdle. appreciate it. thank you. thanks, anderson. we mentioned karen macdougal again . her story is, according to the statement of fact, part of a pattern by the former president and david pecker, reading another passage from the statement of fact, about what

there's a quote about five months before the presidential election in or around june 2016 , the editor in chief, the national choir and am is chief content officer. the mediator in chief contacted lawyer a, which is michael cohen. about a woman woman. one karen macdougal, who lead she had a sexual relationship with the defendant while he was married. now randi kaye has more on karen macdougal story. i met donald when they were filming the celebrity apprentice at the playboy mansion. playboy model karen mcdougal says she met donald trump in 2006, she told anderson cooper there was an instant attraction. you can see him looking at you could see it. mcdougall says. the two later had a date at trump's bungalow at the beverly hills hotel. night ended we were intimate. so there's the sex was consensual. it was clear. yes, trump has denied having an affair with mcdougal. long before she met donald trump. karen macdougal grew up in a small town in

michigan. the new yorker says she worked as a preschool teacher before starting her modeling career. mcdougall said she won a local modeling contest , which landed her in california contracts to relocate in l a and do a lot of modeling their first appeared in playboy as miss december 1997. then was named playboy playmate of the year in 1998 macdougal told anderson she and trump were in love donald trump ever say to you that he loved you. all the time. mcdougall says trump once took her to his apartment at trump tower past a room. and he said, this is melania's room. how did you feel being in his apartment guilty very guilty after meeting trump mcdougall was photographed alongside melania and ivanka trump at a party for the apprentice. she told anderson. she ended her relationship with trump in april, 2007. years later in 2016 mcdougall was at

the center of a catch and kill scheme after trying to sell her story about the alleged affair to the national enquirer, mcdougall, says am e, which published the enquirer bought her story only to bury it. trump's longtime friend david pecker, was the ceo of am i the side deal was, we're squashing the story because of personal relationship. with the guy who runs am i his friends with donald trump. correct in 2016 michael cohen recorded himself talking with trump about how to set up the payment to mcdougall. the recording was later made public need to open up a company for the transfer of all the info regarding our friend david just spoken to alan weisberg about how to set the whole thing up with funding. yes in the end am i paid mcdougall $150,000 to

silence her. she signed the deal just before the election. randi joins me now what is karen mcdougal said about the trump's recent indictment. if anything, well, anderson. she's kept a pretty low profile, as all of this recently has been unfolding. she hasn't issued any formal response to the indictment or to that statement , of fact, with all the details in it, where she is referred to as a woman one, but she did post on her social media today, sort of a tongue in cheek post and here's what she wrote on instagram. i've been out and about enjoying god's country. i hope i didn't miss anything with a smiley face. emoji. so anderson she certainly trying to make light. of this very historic and serious moment that she, too, is at the center of randy appreciate it. thank you. coming up a historic meeting today between house speaker kevin mccarthy and the leader of taiwan, the first of its kind on u. s soil and follows the footsteps that very controversial meeting last year with former speaker nancy pelosi in taiwan. cnn's fareed zakaria joins me next to discuss china's reaction whether these meetings are a good idea. good morning,

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bipartisan congressional delegation and the leader of taiwan at the ronald reagan presidential library in california. this was the first time any leader from taiwan has met with the house speaker on u. s soil last year. as you'll recall, former speaker nancy pelosi visited taiwan and its president, china's minister of foreign affairs now says that this latest meeting quote seriously violates the one china principle and that china firmly opposes and strongly condemns this he also demanded the us quote. stop upgrading the substantive relationship between the u. s and taiwan. cnn's fareed zakaria joins me now with more freed from what we've seen thus far. do you think chinese response to the stateside meeting will be the same or the same kind of level as it was when speaker pelosi visited taiwan in 2022? i think it's likely to be quite different. they recognize that the difference you know, in terms of how provocative that was. but look, it was a bad idea. financing pelosi to go to taiwan. it is a bad idea for kevin mccarthy to do this, uh,

the congress should not try to get involved in something as sensitive as this and particularly get involved in what is really the domestic politics of taiwan. you know the important thing to realize that actually to taiwan president's going on trips right now there is president side coming to the united states meeting with kevin mccarthy because he insisted on it, but the former president, president ma yuzhou is going to china and he is meeting there with some chinese officials. he is on a 12 day trip to visit his homeland. that party is much more comfortable with some kind of dialogue with beijing. in the old days, they used to be in favor of some kind of peaceful reunification. um in general, taiwan has been trending more towards the party that presidents i represents the current president who's meeting with kevin mccarthy. but there are a lot of taiwanese who vote for president ma's party, you

know? so you see what i mean, where kevin mccarthy is getting himself involved in something that, um merican politicians should. this is a very sensitive issue and better. to let the administration handle source close to speaker. mccarthy told cnn that it was important for the speaker to make sure the meeting with the taiwanese president was bipartisan. talk a little bit about why taiwan is one of the very few things that both sides of the island actually agree on these days. well, this is the big area of bipartisanship in washington. these days, everyone is a china hawk. everyone wants to in some way or the other show how tough they can be on china, and you know, taiwan is an extension of that, uh and that's why, as i say speaker, pelosi went to taiwan because she wanted to make that point. i should point out the biden administration was more opposed to that visit. then they have been to this to this meeting precisely because it was more provocative, but privately , they will tell you they're against all this. it's a this is

a very delicate and calibrated relationship. you know what we're trying to do with the united states is trying to do is to preserve taiwan's autonomy and preserve the status quo, which has allowed taiwan to flourish. ah if there's a change in the status quo, there's a problem. provocative move in the chinese, the chinese invade or, you know, the whole thing can explode. and i don't think that kevin mccarthy is the world's most skilled diplomat to be to be entering this this arena. do you think russia is difficulties in ukraine have affected the thinking of china's leadership regarding taiwan? the idea of trying to take it by force? i don't know what lesson they draw from it because it's such such a complicated one. so lesson number one. ah you know, the russians have gotten totally isolated from the world economy . huge sanctions on them. could that happen to china? it's difficult to imagine, but the chinese must have been

surprised. i think we all were at the extraordinary frankly effectiveness of the biden administration at isolating russia putting sanctions on freezing its central bank reserves. a second lesson, i think is if the ukrainians have the locals fight it is a very tough battle to win. the french president. macron was in beijing today, part of a three day trip there. i think it is. he had a phone call with president biden earlier reportedly discussed a common desire to engage china to accelerate the end of the war in ukraine. do you see in china is having an actual diplomatic role in that? no because the chinese have no credibility because they have been so one sided in their support for russia that the ukrainians will never trust anything that they do. the chinese might be able once there is some kind of negotiation going to weigh in a little bit with the russians and make them to make the case that you know they should take the settlement, but i unfortunately think they have been very responsible on

this. they're they're they're benefiting from all this because they have they have found in russia cheap, uh, vessel steak. you know this is russia is the largest exporter of energy in the world. they now have to do it at a discount with its oil. it's natural gas. it's cole. um and guess who's buying it? mostly china and india so that the chinese have benefited from this. i don't think they particularly care if it goes on , you know what i mean? it's a it's a it's a situation where they haven't really suffered much. they have, in fact gotten huge discounts on their energy. so do they have a real incentive and solving it? they certainly don't seem to just to act like that. zachary appreciate it. thanks so much. pleasure, anderson. coming up. we'll rupert murdoch before us to take the stand and testifying that billion dollar defamation lawsuit against fox news. the judge made the decision today. details next. s sunday night. we're trying something a little

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murdoch forced to take the stand ? cnn senior media reporter oliver darcy joins us now, what did the judge say? bad news for the murdochs? the judge says he's basically going to be able to force the murdochs both rupert and lachlan to testify at a trial is the son who now runs the corporate laughlin is the ceo rupert murdoch is the chairman. and the this isn't really surprising. the judge had really indicated that he was going to go this direction, but it's something fox tried shielding the murdochs from and they tried, saying it would be inconvenient for the 92 year old murdoch, the elder murdoch to travel to wilmington's delaware. the judge didn't buy that excuse. he basically said, look, you got engaged recently. he's no longer engaged, but the time he was, and he said that you look forward to traveling between your different residences across the world, so he wasn't really buying it. and today, he basically said look if dominion wants them to testify, which they do, he's not going to stand in the way in and they're going to be compelled essentially to go to wilmington's and testify in this trial. was fox responding. fox

fox isn't very happy with this as you might imagine, and so they put out a statement. i'll read part of it to you. they said dominion clearly wants to continue generating misleading stories from their friends in the media to distract from the weak case. demanding witnesses who had nothing to do with the challenge. broadcast is just the latest example of their political crusade and in search of a financial windfall. of course, the murdochs might not have had, you know to do with this specific broadcast. but at the end of the day, most observers and i think dominion would say that the buck stops with them. rupert murdoch has conceded in depositions behind the scenes that he could have put an end to some of these people. these guests like we're in giuliani, coming on the broadcast and spreading these conspiracy theories, but he didn't and so that's why dominion wants to put them on the stand. who else is testifying that we know well, fox has said, basically, they're going to put some other marquee talent on the stand to testify in this fox trial, and that includes a lot of hosts like tucker carlson, sean hannity, maria bartiromo, brett baer,

they're going to have a lot of high wattage stars that are recognizable to the fox audience , who will likely take the stand in this trial, and it's going to generate quite a bit of headlines i think are going to be uncomfortable for the network is up there. he's no longer at fox, right? that's correct. lou dobbs is no longer does he get his lawyers paid for by fox? do you know foxes representing him in this case, and it's because they're suing fox, so they're representing in this case, and they're going to make him available to testify as well. he was really one of the fox host at the center of a lot of these lies him and maria bartiromo remote, so dominion is going to want to have them call to the stand. and when is the trial supposed to start because there's still a chance they could settle before, but when is it supposed to start time is really running out if they do want to settle the trial starts next week, jury selection's thursday of next week and then the trial will start on april 17th. now i've talked to a lawyer lawyers and they're all saying, you know that this could really just there could be a midnight deal basically right before the clock strikes midnight. they could settle

this, but the time is really running out here. fascinating and will there be cameras in the court? not likely. anderson um, you know, courts typically don't like cameras, and so we're not expecting cameras in the courtroom, but i think you can certainly expect to see people like tucker carlson sean hannity , at least arriving at the court and exiting the court. so seriously appreciate it. thanks so much up next. what supporters of the former resident told our gary tuchman about seeing trump in court facing 34 criminal counts. hey, man. couould save hundreds foror safe driving with liberty mutuall because demise your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. who we gotta go again for what you need . liberty liberty liber, misleading search results can you at significant risk ofput losing job opportunities for new customers. reputation defender helps clean up your search

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unfair? you believe the prosecutors? or you believe trump when he says it's not true? i believe trump most of the people we talked to at the four states fair in texarkana, arkansas, think the manhattan district attorney is being unfair to former president trump . the man is the best president this country has ever had in my lifetime. texarkana arkansas, which is adjacent to texarkana, texas, is a short drive from louisiana and oklahoma. that's why this is called the four states fair. it's certainly trump country. shannon and byron watkins have both voted for him twice. i don't think it's right . i think it's all a setup. well i don't think it's a shut up. you think it's set up? no i don't think it's a setup, but i think it's kind of a witch hut. but as we continue our conversations with some of the people who initially told us they feel trump is being treated unfairly. some of the black and white declarations turn a bit gray. he still says that the

election was stolen. there's no evidence of that. you both voted for donald trump it trouble you that he is not exactly a truth teller. yeah yeah, that bothers me. i mean, it bothers me. did anyone that would be in the band office wouldn't be forthright. exactly truth teller. do you believe him when he says he's innocent about these charges? i don't but i don't know whether he's innocent or not. i mean, that's that's for a jury open about do i think it is possible that that could have happened? very most definitely, most definitely feel like he could be in that position. committed a crime. do you feel the same way? yes. and granados says she voted for trump in 2020. how does it make you feel? what's going on with trump? i never really expected that he would just be the best person. um, i just thought the policies lined up more in my personal beliefs. so i'm not shocked, but he's now accused of a crime. that's a serious comments of felonies and

accused felon and he could get prison time. what do you think? if he if he did the crime, then you should good prison time for sure. johnny mooney ham is a trump supporter. but politics or politicians are crooked and shading. don't care your public republican democrats, they are have got stuff here. you think trump is shading that trump is crooked. i think all of the mercedes i think every last one of them a shady. certainly some trump voters we talked with the fair are not re examining their thoughts in langley is enjoying his corn dog and enjoying defending donald trump, and i think they need to just leave him alone. but gunner and brittany hambleton, who didn't vote in the last presidential election, but say they, like trump have a different philosophy. if he did do it, he should be held accountable. if he didn't do it, then it's just democrats trying to start stuff goes to a jury and a jury finds him guilty. would you accept that? yes. if you accept that yes. and gary joins us now from

arkansas. first of all, please tell me you had a corn dog because that looked really good. and that fair looks fun. have any of the people you've talked to there in arkansas mentioned wanting to vote for their former governor is hutchinson. quite a few people have talked to anderson two dot know that he has their former governor officially announced his candidacy for president that being said some of those people and others tell me they like the job. he performed his governor, and they would consider him for his white house bid. one woman i talked to just about 10 minutes ago told me she voted for trump twice and she told me that she definitely wants a republican in the white house at 2024, but perhaps it would be best to have less drama. one other thing i want to mention anderson. this is a great tradition. this fair, it's a lot of fun for families. the last thing people expect people expect us for reporter like me to come here and ask them questions about politics, so we thank them for being so gracious to us. there were very how long is that for going? it

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