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who had also been expelled. gloria johnson survived her seat with 65 votes. just one vote saving her seat, folks, i have to tell you the optics there, as gloria johnson referenced herself, perhaps the only white out of the three congress members there. and representatives that had been saved her seat. so there you see it. tennessee house voting to expel two of the three democratic lawmakers for their objection. to gun legislation. two weeks ago. this is the culmination of that. this is a historic moment right now, as you're safe playing out state legislature there in tennessee. we will continue to follow the breaking developments, this breaking story that is happening right now and unfolding before our eyes. our breaking news coverage continues right now with a c 3 60. good evening.
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remarkable scene tonight in the tennessee house of representatives were waiting for a vote. i should say actually vote has just taken place on whether to expel the last of the three democratic legislators. ah we're still waiting on the results of that vote for a gun violence protests that they held the last week on the floor of the house in the wake of the mass shooting the covenant school just a few miles away. representative justin pearson of memphis, who has just been speaking he now his fate hangs in the balance will be up to report to republicans who control the two thirds majority needed to expel him to decide his fate expelled earlier today, representative justin jones of nashville will talk with him in just a moment a measure to expel representative gloria johnson, knoxville failed by a single vote. to the nation. keep watching. we're losing our democracy. we need to make sure
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that we stomp out this march to fascism. absolute power corrupts. absolutely and we cannot forget that. as on everything folks feel like there's a difference in the. you want. i will answer your question i might have to do with the color of our skin. we should point out that justin pearson. now it's the voters just taking place has been expelled as well . so to tennessee democrats have been expelled gloria johnson as you saw the third she survived her vote just by one vote. what happened today? the expulsion of two representatives in the tennessee state house has only happened twice since the 18 sixties. the last expulsion in 2016. was for a lawmaker accused of sexual misconduct this time was for violation of the rules of decorum. gary tuchman is inside the state capitol just outside the house chamber joins us now. so gary talk about what just happened. anderson as we
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speak behind me there about 100. angry that legislators been expelled from the house of representatives right here. understanding between state troopers right here. people back here. they're standing here is because legislators the door now. any possibility of violence. the schools deadline down right here. people are watching you. fighting fastest. inside legislation building. capital 50 people inside, leaving. they're in. the legislatures are coming out right now. but that in the nuts
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. now walking out. field, sir. how do you how do you feel right now, sir? not talking right now . mr representative. how do you feel right now? pretty chaotic as you can get back towards our camera. nutshell. these people. have been expelled from the house of because. talked out of turn last week. seven days ago, they walked out of turn and not allowed to walk into the well of the house of representatives without permission of the speaker of the house. the protest this and they also talked out of turn. and one week
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later, they're expelled. listen to what people are saying. no justice, no peace. take a look. two representatives expelled. the other one. gloria johnson survived by one vote, gloria johnson, who is white. justin jones, with black have said on the record, they believe it is something new with skin color. we don't know the answer to that. but two of the three legislative expelled no longer representatives elected by tens of thousands of people in their districts. now been expelled from the house of representatives by tennessee state legislative anderson back to you and gary. what what are their options now? the two legislators who have been expelled, will they run again? here's something very interesting and you're going to talk to justin shortly. he'll tell you if he's going to run again. tennessee law if he
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decides to run again and he wins again, he can't be charged and the same parts again. it's interesting. it's double jeopardy. select you again. you can't be expelled it on this chart. however they could find other charges to expel that doesn't mean he wouldn't be expelled again. just can't be expelled of this charge of disorderly behavior. that's what the republicans are saying. disorderly behavior. these people just said they wanted to get there. words across about the gun issue, and they weren't being allowed to talk. and that's why they walked into the well that's what i talked in order. the ribs out that the constituents wanted to say that's what they say, and they weren't permitted to do so remarkable about the sanderson was only one week ago when other people here were expelled from the legislature. we know of only three cases 66. it was because of crimes or issues. bad morality. there's never been an issue where it's breaking the
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rules of state legislatures in my career 40 years, people break rules over time. don't get expelled. very unusual republicans. we talked about this necessary because disrupted but that being said most unusual. gary tuchman. we're going to come back with you. we're going to continue to follow this. continue with those , uh, we're going to reposition our camera. president biden is following this story quoting now from his tweet a short time ago , quote three kids and three officials gunned down and yet another mass shooting and what our gop officials focused on punishing lawmakers who joined thousands of peaceful protesters. calling for action, the president, adding it is it's shocking, undemocratic and without precedent shortly, we're going to talk to justin jones, who is one of the representatives who was expelled just a few hours ago. the representative who was just expelled, as gary tuchman was talking about it was just leaving the house floor. that's justin pearson. gloria johnson,
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as you know, a third representative who also took part in this protest last week. she survived the vote to expel her by one vote. let's see if we can hear some of what justin pearson has said. not working. it's hurting people killing people, and they're treating things like this is normal. we can never normalize the ending of democracy. we can never normalize the tyranny of the way that these people in power operated to white supremacy and due to the maintenance of patriarchy, that's what we're up against. but we are going to fight it because we believe that there is a future that we can live into. that is better than the president that we currently have. another question. feels like. so again, that's justin pearson, who has now been expelled and again. this is from
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a protest that took place last week, three members stood up and approached the well to speak. uh, they didn't i have permission to speak. they used bullhorns to try to get their point across. they were speaking in the wake of the mass murder of nine people at the school in nashville. um do we have a justin jones? that we're waiting to hear from justin jones. gloria johnson, as we said earlier, spoke to reporters after she survived her vote unclear why she survived her vote just by one vote, where the other two representatives did not. i'm also joined by the atlantic's ron desantis teen run talk a little bit about putting some of this in context and perspective. is this just about a violation of house decorum rules that took place last week. clearly they violated the rules. they used a bullhorn. if everybody did that that would be chaos. but this isn't unusual in
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an extreme reaction to it. yeah. look i mean, it is unprecedented in tennessee and possibly in the country. to remove a legislator to expel a legislator effectively erased the votes of their constituents. for this kind of infraction. i think, anderson, you have to see this in the context of what has been happening across the red states on a wide range of issues where you see republican controlled legislatures and governors whose political power is rooted in their domination. of non urban predominantly white areas, using that statewide power to override the decisions of divert racially diverse blue leaning big cities and counties on a wide range of issues. i mean you you can look at what's happening in places like texas, where they've taken the state has taken over the school district in houston and may do so in austin in florida, or ron desantis has fired one elected democratic prosecutor.
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and is moving against another places like georgia and missouri and tennessee, where they taken over preempted prosecutorial and policing powers of local governments and taking that power to the state. and obviously what's happening in so many states on curriculum that effectively override the ability of localities to set their own rules on talking about race or gender or sexual orientation. it is a very consistent pattern across the red states, where republican coalitions rooted in non urban predominantly white places are using their power in the most, and this may be the most dramatic and egregious example. override the decisions of local government run. i just wanna interrupt. joining us now is representative justin jones, who was a few hours ago expelled from the tennessee state house. i know it's very loud where you are appreciate you joining us in your mind. today were you expelled because you fight elated the rules of decorum last week. or is this something about something else?
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i'm sorry, representative jones . we've got to get a mic to better mike to. you were just hoping we're going to get a better microphone to representative jones corners is also with us or if you will. i mean, you've you've lived in nashville. you've covered politics in the south for many, many years, talk a little bit about what is going on tonight. well after the after president obama was elected tennessee was one of those statehouses that actually flipped to kind of republican power. moreover over the last decade, you've seen something like, uh 900 or 1000 state lawmakers seats kind of flipped to republican. so there has been such a growth of republican held statehouses. what makes the tennessee issue and what's happening here. so striking is that there have been several attempts to kind of rein
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in the power of the metropolitan areas. nashville and memphis tonight, but nashville also had its local government slashed in half there, fighting that in court they have had their congressional district split among three different parts and voters there are starting to feel alienated from the state house and as ron desantis doubt in other states, there are echoes of this battle between cities that may be democratically led and statehouses where republicans have consolidated power and are now exercising it. how much of this is i mean, is this also a generational issue? given the these both of these representative justin pearson. justin jones are very young by comparison to probably many people in the in the state house. um. obviously not all legislators can bring bullhorns to an argument that they feel they have the moral high ground
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on it. they feel they're being unheard. but there's plenty of others mentioned measures that the republicans could have taken to center them in some way, are there. not many people who have gone to speak on the floor and have spoken today and mentioned the fact that the only other people who have been expelled from the tennessee state house, you know, dealt with kind of sexual violations or bribery. so obviously this is kind of an outsized response in a way compared to reasons past that people were expelled. i really want to underscore this point you're making about essentially generation z because both of these lawmakers are we can. i'm sorry. we do have representative jones. i'm hoping that the micro it's better this time, representative jones. if you can hear me, i appreciate it. was this in your mind about the violation of decorum rules last week, or is this about something else? this is something much. egregious today, myself and the
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two youngest black lawmakers, republican supermajority because we still have our constituencies , young people gathered here for demanding that they act and small shootings. that's why we're being spilled, not because of crime, not because of the ethics violation because these young people who are demanding that we act students a week after nashville was terrorized by school shooting covenant elementary school rather than address the issue of banning assault weapons. my former colleagues, republican supermajority are assaulting democracy and that should that should scare all of us across the nation. tennessee state house speaker cameron sexton. he likened your behavior during the protest last week to the january 6th insurrection. i just want to play that for our viewers, and then ask you about it. two of the members, representative jones and representative johnson had been very vocal about january. 6th and washington d c about, um what that was and what
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they did today was. equivalent at least equivalent, maybe worse, depending on how you look at it of doing an interaction in the capital. was what you did worse than than or equivalent to the insurrection in the capital. i mean, it is a completely ridiculous statement from representative speaker sexton that that is trying to incite a reaction what we're doing with the opposite. we were calling for the end of violence were standing with our constituents demanding that we take action on gun violence in our community because first national international and won't be the last until this body act with our people. legislators grievances of these young people here, chance going on right now . people want action from this body until they get it will continue to show up and hold this legislature accountable whether i'm inside the body, the body here in the hallway do you regret at all doing what you did . i mean, obviously, you could have stood outside with
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demonstrators and made your point. the fact is you were doing this on the house floor with a bullhorn. and it is probably a violation of the rules of decorum. do you regret it at all? was there some other punishment that would have been acceptable to you? no. i mean, this came after the speaker shut off. our microphones will not call on us democratic lawmakers to speak. and so it was our only way to uphold our constitutional tennessee constitution article two section 27 said that lawmakers have a right to dissent from and protest against any action or legislation has injuries to the people broke the house rules held my constituents 78,000 constituents in my district district. too many of them these young people here demanding that we act that we do something and that we needed to say that on the house floor we need to make sure that those young people, their voices, their demands or grievances were held and were heard on the house floor. i didn't go there as an individual. i went there as a representative of 78,000 people, too. and that's why i went to the well. many of my colleagues act on this crisis of mass shootings that is plaguing our nation. representative gloria
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johnson, your democratic colleague who stood with you protested with you last week was not expelled. today. she survived by one vote. did that surprise you? why do you think she survived? i mean, it was it was it was surprising, but you know we are united represented, gloria johnson said. i mean, the only difference is our skin color. i think we have to be honest about and that again, probably white republican supermajorities extended lawmakers. manning that this body and so, um we still stand united together, but what happened? threatening not just the tennessee across the nation is this. the democratic voters will of my district of silencing of 70,000 people in my district, most diverse district in the state of tennessee. i mean, it's very scary. the nation to see what's happening here if i didn't know that was happening to me. 53 instead of 2020 2023 personally, what do you do now? what do you run for your seat in the next election? is there another election to be held?
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there's a step to fill the vacancy that the council the metro council national council, will have to address there's also a special election. you know, i'm looking at legal remedies, because what i what i believe is happening here and after talking to attorneys, i mean it was unconstitutional violation of overturning the loader silencing of my district . the most extreme measure expel a member not for an ethics. violation, but because of a rule and so that's what we saw. and so again, it was. what happened today was to distract from the real issue. what was that? a week after mass shooting in nashville, rather than passed laws that passed common sense gun laws. my colleagues expelled myself, pearson because they're afraid of what we're giving voice to all these young people gathered around the capital manning his body changed. millennials think that it's our time now and that we need substantive and urgent action to address this crisis of mass shootings. representative justin jones. i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. thank you so much. joining us now cnn senior
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political analyst ron brownstein he's a senior editor at the atlantic. also audie cornish, who is with us here at cnn. so audio, uh let's just regroup here a little bit, remember for folks who are just joining us justin pearson, justin jones glory johnson. all three took part in a protest on the house floor using bullhorns last week , they said they weren't being heard their microphones were turned off. so they protested. it was a violation of the rules of decorum. just today, there were votes to expel two of them. um and as we say, gloria johnson survived just by one vote, so explain if you can. we were talking before this. i mean, what happens next year? well what happens next is there are special elections for the two seats that were vacated already in nashville, the metro council , which is the local government is planning to call a special meeting on monday, and they do plan to sort of re invite mr
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jones. would you just heard back to that seat? so in terms of the stakes, not that much has changed, but i really can't underscore enough. how how significant. the tensions are between nashville this metropolitan area, mostly led by a democratic kind of council has been kind of at odds with the republican statehouse. and how ronald this how that is really reflective of a trend that's going on across the country. you run. it is interesting. and we see this on election night when john king is at the magic wall, and we're all waiting for votes . big cities voting democrat in states that are largely red. yeah joe biden won 9100 largest counties in america and you know donald trump won 2600 or so of the other 3000 in the dynamic you see in state after state is democrats, you can try and imaginary beltway around every large metro in the country, and
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democrats are consolidating their strength inside of that, and republicans are strengthening their hand. outside of it, but i think what we are seeing in the red states that that political pattern extends from blue, you know, it's just true in california as it is in texas, but what we are seeing in red states is this systematic effort to use this statewide power to preempt the ability of those blue metro's to make their own decisions and for you know, voters in those places to set their own course that you know you're talking before about the generational. transition in many of these states, the generational transition and the racial transition are completely overlapping. they are essentially the same thing. and if you talk about places like florida or georgia or texas or tennessee or arizona before they elected a governor, places where the preemption has been most powerful, generally speaking, you have a republican coalition that is rooted in the older generations that are predominantly white in those states. and a democratic coalition that is rooted in the
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increasingly diverse younger generations in those states and what we see not only on pre emption but on issues like lgbtq rights and voting and abortion bans and book bands and classrooms. censorship you see these republican coalitions moving to impose on the states the values of their older white , predominantly christian coalition before this demographic change, possibly alters the balance of political power in their states. i've likened what's happening anderson to these republican legislatures are stacking sandbags against a rising tide of demographic change. and i think this is one of the most dramatic examples of that that we've seen anywhere in the country. what do you think these protests will have an impact on the legislature there? i don't know if it will have an impact on the legislature. so to speak. i mean, it's certainly brought more scrutiny on their activities, but i also want to come back to a point that that justin jones said about gen. z and millennials. they have entered the chat, so to speak.
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we're seeing this generation of activists start to enter. the lawmaking process, just like the generations before them some out of fisk university, right and nashville in the sixties who ended up being lawmakers. what's significant about that? is there a generation that watched occupy wall street? they are a post trayvon martin generation. they are black lives matter generation and they are kind of parkland era generation. they think about gun policy in the politics around shootings differently. their politics are more confrontational, and they really do feel as though this is their time to make a mark, and they're very media savvy. and i think that justin jones in a way in particular, and pearson, also from memphis, they really embodied kind of that mix of savvy and politics and approach to progressive politics that is distinct to this generation run does, but already does that. and
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i think that does that mean i mean on on the protests that they that they did? they clearly believe that they're you know, they have the moral high ground. um. it is difficult to legislate if members of a representative the representatives and bring both understand what you're asking, but i think what i'm saying is that there is a generational preoccupation with decorum. um there is an era of what was called respectability. politics if you dress the right way, if you acted the right way people would consider your politics serious and take you seriously. i think this generation thinks that that is not totally true. they think that they should be respected for their politics no matter what they look like and in some ways how they behave and the pushback you see, especially in republican and conservative circles. is that like that's not right, that's not appropriate. you hear this a lot about the black lives matter. protests
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that those protests were kind of out of control and wild and wrong and should have been sort of put down in some way, and i don't think it's an accident that right now this kind of spark of this fight is around decor. um right. all of the kind of code we use for how should we conduct politics in this country? um and how there is a clash of generations in the thinking about that run. good real quick. i just think we can't lose sight of how fundamentally the red states and blue states are diverging. i mean, the red states really are in many ways building a nation within a nation. the general trend in american life from the sixties until around, 2020 was to nationalize more rights and reduce the ability of states to restrict those rights. everything from abortion and contraception to one person, one vote. the a d. a title nine. you know, the voting rights act and what we have seen since 2020 with the support of the majority on the supreme court. is states
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moving across a whole series of fronts. like i said lgbtq rights free speech rights in the classroom, voting rights, abortion rights to roll that back and set their own rules on civil rights and civil liberties . and this i think it's just a powerful symbol of the way in which the red states are departing from what had been kind of a centralized. the notion that there was a baseline of rights available to all americans. you certainly could punish them for their actions in that protest, but there's a lot you can do short of expelling them, and by expelling them. they are sending a very clear message about what they feel about the scent, not only in this case, but in general really interesting discussion. audit corners. thank you, ron brownstein. thank you so much. we're going to keep monitoring this check in again with our gary tuchman. there's also breaking news tonight after a heavy rocket attacks earlier from southern lebanon. tonight. israeli air strikes in and around gaza more rockets fired at israel will have a live report from the region. no this
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last hour. the exchanges of fire we're still on going to the south of here in gaza, the israeli military saying that this evening its fighter jets were striking what it called hamas targets, including tunnels and weapons manufacturing sites in gaza militants. they're responding with even more rocket fire from gaza into israel. no injuries have been reported on either side here where i am i'm very close to the border with lebanon between lebanon and israel. it is a very tense quiet because just a few hours ago it will experience the largest barrage of rockets from southern lebanon into israel that israel has seen in decades. streaking across the sky in northern israel. dozens of rockets fired from lebanon thursday, according to the israel defense forces. wow which said it intercepted most of them. but some made impact this car hitting the israeli town of fisu to slow me . the storefront of this bank was destroyed, decided i hear the boom. it was in my home. it
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was very, very scary. still shaking because you've said sh. children not supposed to see this in this age. the lebanese army says it found these rocket launchers and rockets close to the israeli border thursday and is working to dismantle them. israel has pointed the finger at palestinian groups and doesn't think the lebanon based hezbollah was responsible. the israeli military said it would quote decide on the place and time of its response. since the war between lebanon and israel in 2006 have so many rockets been fired across the border, a worrying sign of escalation in an already tense time for the region. it's really police stormed the al aqsa mosque multiple times this week as palestinians gathered for ramadan. footage from inside the mosque showed israeli police beating some worshippers with batons and rifle butts. police say they moved in after palestinians barricaded themselves inside the mosque, threw rocks and set off fireworks. jordan, the custodian
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of the al aqsa mosque, told cnn that it believed thursday's rocket attacks were response to israeli actions at the mosque. the two are obviously interconnected, where, unfortunately at the exact moment of dangerous moment, which we've it worked for months to avoid, which is a moment where violence is erupting as the first day of the passover holiday came to an end. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu called a meeting of his security cabinet. we will strike our enemies and they will pay the price for any act of aggression. multiple hotspots flaring up at once, just as easter begins in this holy land , and all three main religions are supposed to be celebrating. so that's we know they've been strikes and gods have there been you said there have been or have there been any more rockets from lebanon tonight, because obviously, that would be very significant. yeah, there's been no more rockets from lebanon, nor have we heard of any israeli
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airstrikes in lebanon. now, the israeli authorities have been rather careful to point the finger, not hezbollah, but more on palestinian militant groups, especially hamas, and that's why i think we're seeing these targets in gaza versus lebanon because keep in mind israeli security officials i speak to they talk about what a war with hezbollah could lead to that devastation is something i don't think that they want to see. keep in mind. hezbollah's arsenal is much bigger and stronger than anything. this has and so there is, i think a lot of concern about trying to keep down any sort of escalation that could build up with hezbollah. but prime minister benjamin netanyahu is warning israel's response, he says tonight and in the future, keep in mind in the future will exactly heavy price. so keep an eye on the skies here . close to lebanon anderson 2006 . the last time they crossed the border to fight against hezbollah had asco appreciate it. thank you, new york times foreign affairs columnist thomas friedman is with us tonight among as many best selling books appropriately tonight from beirut to jerusalem, do you make of it? i mean, obviously significant escalation of tensions in the region. well,
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you know, everything is so fragmenting anderson watching these events. i was reminded of the lead i wrote of a of a story back in beirut in the late 19 seventies that four different armies, militias fight each other on eight different fronts for six different reasons. you know, you've got so many cross cutting conflicts right now. palestinians in jerusalem, hamas , iran, palestinians in lebanon . it's an extremely unstable situation. as you know, as we've reported them. the rocket strikes constitute the biggest attack since 2006. when israel and hezbollah we're at war, i think we reported from their first six weeks on cnn. how concerned should people be about this violence, expanding and scope because that was a really tough fight? yeah you know, had asked me the point, and i think it's the right one that with the israelis would be concerned about if these rockets have been launched by hizbollah, um and if we were gonna have another hezbollah israel war, which was extremely deadly war for both sides and could bring iran in
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and let's remember iran now is not that they can use a nuclear bomb. i don't think but they're not two weeks away, um, from having fissile material they need for a bomb. so the fact that this was apparently palestinians in lebanon working with them for hamas, uh, suggest that it is containable. but you know, this is a time of such other fragmentation, divided israeli got polity you have israel's defense minister has been fired by prime minister netanyahu now apparently being at least allowed to stay for a while. you have the palestinian authority's really lost control of its youth. uh you see that in them taking over the al aqsa mosque, you're very hard line. israeli police minister overseeing the police now minister ben revere, um and it's just a it's just a recipe for an explosion. yeah. there's nothing good going on anderson on any front in that region right now. and you recently wrote an op ed. very critical. prime minister
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netanyahu. i mean, given all that fragmentation within israel itself, the huge protests we have seen, which you know, had calmed down somewhat prior to this to this attack. um, but all the. the ingredients are still there for this fragmentation. how does the potential for violence fit on top of that? well, you know, watching your show into the leader and i didn't know whether i was watching the lebanese parliament or the israeli parliament in what in the tennessee parliament , because, you know, i've always had this view that israeli politics is to american politics would off broadway is to broadway. you see a lot of trends there that start there and then come to broadway and sometimes in reverse. so what's going on in israel? you basically have a government of extreme nationalist, extreme religious that one by mere 30,000 votes less actually than 50% given the way the israeli system works, trying to lock in their majority by basically
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overhauling the judicial system in israel to give total to control to the political majority in israel right now, and to put the judiciary under their thumb, it's the exact same trends that ron desantis teen was talking about. membership. um. that's going on in israel right now. um and of course in lebanon. they've lived with this. their parliaments been paralyzed because their new majority, the shiite hizbollah group, has basically blocked a president from being appointed in lebanon. unless it's the president they want. doesn't lebanon has to be christian? so a lot of these trends are quite universal right now and what role officially unofficially. what role did you see the us playing? um what role? oh, just spectator. i mean, the last thing the united states wants to do is get embroiled in this right now. we've got our hands full with china. we've got our hands full with russia and the u. s. has been trying to disengage from the middle east from these conflicts, and all they want to do is tamp down the
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violence. make sure it doesn't threaten our arab allies. right now it spills over into jordan or egypt, um, and try to contain it all but uh, this is all such a tar baby. it's the last thing the biden ministrations wants to put his hands on. friedman appreciate you being with us. thank you. thanks to update from nashville next, where republican lawmakers just expelled two democratic members of the state house of representatives for their violent gun for their gun violence protest last week. stupid. interesting piece. let me bring in my expert. mm so many scratches. those are from my car keys. such a rich history . this won't do well at auction , but at a t and t it's worth a brand new samsung galaxy s 23. really what about this deal is bad. everyone gets a free new samsung galaxy s 23 with the
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third democrat, gloria johnson was spared by a single vote. let's listen right now to justin jones, who are demanding that we take action on the crisis of mass shootings. yeah we said. we want a ban on assault weapons. they said. we're gonna start democracy. yeah. same fool shameful. and those people don't realize that what happened today is that they cemented their legacy on the wrong side of history. but when their grandchildren read about them, they will be ashamed to say that speaker cameron sexton was their relative ashamed. i mean, that's why they're trying to ban history. now tell you so as we come back, we hope people return to this capital on monday because this is just the beginning that when they explode also, it wasn't about us individually. attempt to expel and silence the movement. but
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they've done the opposite. we stand here with these young people who continue to stand in and sitting and dying. whatever we have to do to elevate the issue that this shooting that happened in natural just a week ago a week ago, rather than passed laws that will address red flagged and banning assault , weapons and universal background checks, they passed resolutions to expel their colleagues. yeah. and i think that the issues over yeah. we'll see you on monday. inside the state capitol to our gary tuchman standing by gary. anderson has gotten very quiet, especially compared to about 45 minutes ago, everyone all the protesters have been told to leave the capital building there were about 350 protesters inside here about 220 inside the chambers behind me and the spectator area, but another 122 150 in this area, so it's quiet now, but i can tell you is because of his quiet republican
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leaders just talk to us a few minutes ago. inside here. i talked to the republican caucus chairman asked him this question . i said if they would have apologized to you, these three representatives would you have been able to say okay, you can stay as representatives of this legislature. and he thought about it, he said, if they apologized, and if they were contrite, and if they said we won't do this again, i would have considered that. so that is a possibility. when we were listening to it today, there is a possibility. it could have stayed if they did that, but it's clear that these three representatives were not planning to be contrite. they were asked several times during the hearing. do you think you did wrong? do you think you did wrong? and they said yes, stepping into the well is against the rules. talking without being told you could talk is against the rules, but we needed to do it for the constituents in our district who elected us or they just told me was they have constituents in their district two and their constituents and their districts did not like the fact that the house of representatives was interrupted in that fashion when we could go today. anderson.
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of the new york criminal indictment against the former president, says she is absolutely willing to testify. daniels also tells piers morgan that threats against her quote way more specific and graphic than in the past. also while she says she does not believe the former president deserves incarceration for his alleged role in falsifying business records, is a part of a scheme to cover up hush money payments to daniels. she did say that when she saw images of him in a courtroom, she thought quote the king has been dethroned. he's no longer untouchable. but even as the former president's defended himself in this case, he's taking swings at the special counsel overseeing separate federal investigations into him because, according to multiple sources, have spoken with cnn. it's the probe into the former president's potential mishandling of classified documents that particularly concerned his inner circle. my next two guests understand better than most. why we now have a presidential records act, which was enacted after the watergate scandal. journalist carl bernstein is the author of chasing history kid in the newsroom and cnn contributor john dean from the white house counsel to richard nixon. so, carl, what does it say to you that, among other laws, the presidential records act is
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looming so large over the former president's legal faith. what has all along because, among other things, the president of the united states and as he was leaving the presidency seems to have directed the illegal movement of these documents at mar-a-lago, but i want to take a little bit of an issue in the following way with what you said his lawyers may think that this is the primary vulnerability. but in fact he has three locomotives bearing down on him. former president trump legally and probably the most serious is the january 6th insurrection that the special counsel is looking at, and that investigation is premised on the huge volumes of fact about the insurrection about trump's role. in seditious lee trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power to the next president of the united states that case itself there is a record, like the
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senate watergate committee developed a record that led to the impeachment and the likely conviction in the senate and eventual resignation of richard nixon. the january 6th committee has established almost a slam dunk record. that is so in terms of trump's legal vulnerability that that's really the ones at the special counsel is investigating it. that's really the ones that most of lawyers i talked to think is really potentially fatal for trump john as a former white house counsel , how big a deal of it it deal is it that the former president's own lawyer is being compelled to testify in the documents case? it's a big deal because first of all lawyers are pretty good witnesses. ah which is something that's painful when they're testifying against you, and the fact that his privilege didn't hold and a judge found at least a prima facie basis that there was a crime criminal act being portrayed between the two of them either unknowingly by
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trump on the lawyer, or maybe the lawyer was involved. we don't think so. at this point, we don't know. so this is a problem for him and the documents case, i think is very serious because they're looking for obstruction of justice, and they got probable cause to get a subpoena to go in to mar-a-lago and seized documents if you will . ah and that's the case that is shown a judge already that there's a case their criminal activity of some sort, so that's why i think they're worried. carl jack smith, as you talked about. i mean, he's not just investigating the documents case also the efforts to overturn the january 6th or the efforts overturned the election in january, 6th. he subpoenaed a number of people in the former president's inner circle. former white house chief of staff mark meadows, former vice president mike pence. their testimony is i mean, especially meadows. his testimony is potentially explosive. as well as the same
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lawyers that we're talking about in the documents. cases also are being compelled to testify in the january 16th correction case , and you also have a grand jury in georgia with a very series of facts that shows that a telephone call it was recorded that donald trump, while president of united states, said to the secretary of state in florida. find me 11,000 votes. and the intimidation of a secretary of state to bring about a faulty election. uh intimidation. that's the other case, so these locomotives are all bearing down on him at once . but meanwhile, he and his lawyers are losing in their motions case after case after case the attempt to cite privileges now even the lawyers are being forced. two compelled and being compelled to tell what they know before the special counsel and his grand jury, so
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that's what we saw in new york this week is just the beginning and what we're going to see through the next year is a whole litany of terrible corruptive facts about donald trump and his conduct of office and attempt to stop the legal transfer of power. to his successor who was duly elected. this is not about the big lie. this is about trump trying to stage a coup and stay in office in a way that no president of the united states has refused to let the orderly transfer of power take place as trump has done, and the facts are there through that january, 6th committee and john on that i mean, it's incredible. the extent to its former president just continues to go after the people who are investigating him. jack smith, he called totally biased thug on tuesday night. um obviously going after the judge in the case in new york, talking about the judge's wife, the judge's daughter. it's true. he likes to belittle the
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process. that's part of he plays politics and doesn't follow the rules that prosecutors and judges are forced to follow where they can't respond to most of these charges he makes, and it's very difficult for a judge say this judge warned in new york, he warned trump's lawyers and trump was right there listening to it. but the problem is anderson. there's really little ways to enforce it. he is not likely he can bring trump in and put him in jail, particularly for the offenses thus far. if trump did something horrendous, he might, but it's just very remote. so judges have difficulty enforcing this sort of gag and keeping people behaving. john dean carl bernstein, i appreciate it tonight. thank you up next. more violent demonstrations in the streets of paris why people are upset and demanding changes coming up. everyrybody in hocke, you know, it's gordodo st. john guy's a legend. he's like hockey experience. expert tnt
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what we're left with are thoughtful bedrooms for modern living. cnn news central tomorrow at nine eastern. protesters on the streets of france for the 11th day, turning violent, more demonstrations over the government's controversial new pension plan. estimates are upwards of half a million people taking part. they're upset over the government's plan to raise the retirement age from 62 to 64 for many workers and push the legislation through parliament without a vote about 100 demonstrators storming the paris office, the american investment from black rock, some of them with red flares and smoke bombs , the world's biggest money manager has no role in the reforms process. a protester says they targeted the company for its work. for private pension funds. nearly 12,000 law enforcement officers deployed across the country today in france and other authorities say more than 150 were injured. that was france today. this was nashville tonight. tennessee
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state capitol peaceful protest, but an outpouring all the same after republican state house members who hold a super majority in the chamber used it to expel two democratic legislators, one representing memphis, the other from nashville. the third democrat from knoxville, narrowly avoiding expulsion by one vote. all three took part in a gun violence protests on the house floor itself using a bullhorn last week. there's only happened twice since the civil war that legislators were expelled from the house. it's already gotten national attention and the attention it represents between red and blue states in america. attention is certainly not going away. the news continues. primetime with caitlin collins starts now. tonight. chaos in music city. tennessee republicans targeting three democrats for a gun violence protests in a dramatic act of political
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