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happening in tennessee tonight, calling the expulsion of the two black democratic lawmakers in tennessee over their protests of gun violence, quote, shocking, undemocratic and without precedent. alison camerata has the third who narrowly avoided expulsion and cnn tonight starts right now, thanks for joining us. good evening, everyone. i'm alison camerata. welcome to cnn tonight. turmoil in the tennessee state house tonight to democratic state reps were expelled for so called decorum violations, but there's much more to this story. what we're seeing is a very dangerous, um, step in tennessee. that should signal to the nation that this is if it can happen here can happen anywhere. it's hurting people killing people, and they're treating things like this is normal. we can never normalize the ending of america. be worried about what we've seen here today. america should absolutely be worried about what we've seen here today. okay in a

moment, i will speak to that woman live representative gloria johnson, who narrowly survived the expulsion vote. this controversy started last week after three children and three school officials were shot to death at the covenant school. the democrats demanded action, and today the tennessee legislature took action not to pass gun safety measures. but to expel those duly elected democrats for protesting on the house floor. we'll tell you what's next for them, plus outrage in north carolina over the long time democrat who won her district by nearly 20 points less than six months ago and now has suddenly declared herself a republican, creating a veto proof supermajority and that state i'll talk to the top democrat who says this is a deceit of the highest order. and stormy. daniels is speaking out tonight about donald trump being indicted on criminal charges. she says she does not think he should go to jail. we'll tell you what else she's saying. but let's begin with what's happening in the tennessee state house tonight to state reps. justin jones and justin pearson

, both democrats expelled for protesting on the house floor over gun safety. third democrats state. rep johnson surviving that expulsion vote she joins me now, representative johnson, thank you so much for being here. you survived by one vote, so what are your thoughts at this hour? from you know, it's bittersweet. i'm glad that i made it through. i did not expect to. um but my colleagues are amazing young man they have so much to offer. um they're just they're just brilliant men who are working so hard for the people and their communities. and so i think that we're going to do absolutely everything we can to get them back, and i actually think that's going to happen. so um, how's that going to happen? what happens next? so so? what happens is there's a literal interesting our law the law on this is kind of interesting. um initially, your metro council and davidson

county or the commission in shelby county will appoint someone to the position. and they can appoint justin jones and justin pearson. okay and are those councils inclined to do that meaning, like are democrats running them? i think they are. um you seem you seem tickled by this possibility of a little tickled, but the law that i think there could be a debate 11 legal person here says that well that they can't be appointed for the 131 113th general assembly. but they can in 114, so i think that's a legal issue to be to be solved. but we're ready, ready to go at that. but i do think that i you know, i'm we're betting that that there um. they have a majority in both shelby and davidson situation was a

little different. we only have two democrats, two democrats out of 11 on our county commission. so interesting. and so before we get to what might happen, why were those two expelled and you weren't well. i think it's pretty clear. i i'm a six year old white woman and they are too young black men. i am listening to the questions and the way they were questioned and the way they were talked to um, i was talked down to as a woman man splain to but it was completely different from the questioning that they got and this whole idea that you know why. you know that you have to almost assimilate into this body to be like us. can you give us an example? i mean, what were what were, how were they spoken to that that struck you as racist? and just in a demeaning way, and

saying that you know, if you're going to come into this body, you have to act like this body and that sort of thing. you know, one of the things with right pearson when he got sworn in, he wore a dashiki. and there's a oh, you can't dress like that on the floor. well for him that is a formal wear, and he had a suit over it, but they had such a problem with that. you know this younger generation , they do things a little bit differently, but they're passionate and they're smart, and they're advocates for their community and they're going to fight for their community. and i think some of our members just for a little over and it's something new. they're not used to. but they're going to have to get used to it because these two young men are so powerful their their speaking ability is just amazing and the way that they connect with the voters, and i'm talking about from kids to

grandmother's. it's really, really amazing, and they're just brilliant, caring people who love their community and i want to fight for it. um, and i mean, let's let's just say that their voters who chose them were disenfranchised. obviously by this vote, it's so interesting representative because in the history of the tennessee legislature, this has only happened twice in 1980. a state. rep um, was found guilty of taking a bribe. it was expelled and then in 2016 state rep was accused of allegations of sexual harassment and was expelled. so how does speaking out of turn compared to those well, it was really interesting because even the three of us thought that we broke a rule and going to the well without permission. and then we find out that's not even in the house rules. so at this point, i'm really curious. what role it was that we broke. well i mean, didn't they say it was

disorderly conduct and the other two were using a bullhorn, which you didn't do, and maybe that's a distinction. maybe, but i mean , you know, we stood up there together. um and i think that they they were under the impression that this was a lot more planned and we had this plan and it was so organized. it was spur of the moment or frustration with being cut off once again, especially when it's we wanted to recognize those people that were there that care desperately about doing something about gun violence and the three of us being cut off. and not allowed to speak, and we just decided we were gonna go to the well and try to recognize those thousands of folks that were there recognize their issue and let them know that we saw them and we heard them, representative gloria johnson. we really appreciate your time. we know it's been an incredible day for you. this story is not over. so we will be checking in with you throughout the future

steps of what's going to happen next. thanks so much for your time. thank you. okay we need to talk more about this because here with me, i have my panel former trump white house communications director alyssa farah griffin, former senator al franken. we also have linette lopez, a columnist for insider and senior political analyst, john avlon. great to have all of you here, senator. what are your thoughts as you see what happened in tennessee tonight? about the whole republican party is just kind of going nuts? um antidemocratic. they're already talking in wisconsin. some state legislators about ah, basically doing a recall of the supreme court justice. that was because they have enough votes to do that. who is elected by a wide majority on tuesday, voting doesn't matter anymore. apparently you can just change it after you vote in in georgia. uh huh. and, and that, of course, was about abortion. ah in in georgia. the state

legislature is republican state legislators are talking about. taking away boating out funny, willis. and other prosecutors. they don't like so that she can prosecute. president president trump president trump. uh this thing in north carolina. i don't know how that's going to go and we are going to talk about that in a minute. but this thing in tennessee one of the things that i'm struck by alice, i'll bring you in is they're going to be voted back in. i mean, i like what she said that there. there's this process by which they can be appointed back in. so we've just gone through this exercise at who knows how much taxpayer you know, money or energy wasted or whatever, and it looks like they may still get their seats back. it feels extremely poorly thought through at the end of the day. these are elected members, so they were put in by the voters. the easiest thing to do if listen. i'm a little disappointed in the fact that i feel like all sense

of decorum has kind of left, especially like the u. s congress. i don't take as much issue here. but listen, you could have centered them. you could have given them slap on the wrist and kept them in office. but at the end of the day this is happening because the voters of tennessee are saying you have to do something about gun violence after this tragic shooting last week in the fact that they're the legislature's unwilling to move on anything they need to force the conversation, and i think that they felt like there wasn't another way to do it. this is this is a huge mistake. these young men are folk heroes. now they're tiktok viral now, i didn't know their names yesterday. now i know their names. i know they're speaking style. i know what they stand for. i know their social and they're gonna have a platform on every network to say what? well not fox. i mean to say whatever it is they want to say, and so now they are national leaders of the anti gun movement, which is now of movement that isn't just young kids. it's people who are appalled that their legislatures are uh, are using antidemocratic methods to silence those, so

it's now it's not just the crime of not passing anti gun legislation. it's the cover up. it's the way they squash democratic representation in order to silence people who want to make change just mentioned. this is the action they took after 39 year olds were killed. this was what they felt deserved their energy job, and i think that's the right way to frame this action. it's the only action they have taken and the frustration that folks are feeling outside. the state legislature is what those representatives were reacting to. it's a degrading of representative democracy by design. and this attempt to squash these these these three folks, and only two of them got expelled is an expression of that. but now it's kind of. you know, the doors are open. people can see what's happening. um and they haven't been paying as much attention. some of these other states been a slow boil, but this is really hard to not to ignore. but by the way, i probably disagree on what they're proposing in terms of gun reform. um i'm likely as a republican think it goes too far to have the conversation and we

all agree, i think is a country most of the country. we have to do something to address gun violence, especially in schools . so then put up a solution. the fact that this legislature is basically sitting on their hands after this mass shooting and saying we can't do anything well , then get out of office. the republican solution to gun violence, though what is what is the platform? what is the? yeah specifically this every red flag was ignored, and they don't have any red flag laws by the way she was having mental health struggle. is she reached out? none of that was addressed. they don't have wait periods. if you're somebody who's struggling with something, they don't have basic background checks. background checks are an 82% issue that is many republicans myself included, who support them people who want to commit crimes. that should be harder for them to get guns that does not impede on my right to be a legal gun owner, which i am yeah , senator? no i defer to the senator table. well no, i was just cause vast majority of americans believe in background checks when we after sandy hook the fact that we couldn't get background checks was amazing.

and it's the n r a. and i love to know all your views on guns. there's no reason for assault weapons, no reason to have them here. here's where i think our debate has gotten dumbed down. there's a clip of ronald reagan in 1989 that's been going around . he gets asked a question about this. then proposed assault weapons ban and he says, look, i'm a strong defender of the second amendment, people should be able to have opens for sporting or self defense, but nobody needs a machine gun or a weapon of war. for sporting her self defense that would be a considered a democrat position today, but that was ronald reagan at the time, so we need to have a little bit more flexible. weapons of war are weapons, republican, even skinny bill or skin and chris murphy did pass some pretty comprehensive reform several months ago, which didn't go far enough. we've had several mass shootings since, but i don't want to demonize incremental change when we're able to have it, and i think it was notable

that he was and i do, i will shout out chris murphy. so when i agree with on virtually nothing, he i actually support an assault weapons rifle beyond most people don't in the republican party, but he even said he would compromise and do greater background checks and training. if you want to own one that to me is a democrat like inching towards trying to find a compromise because he's so heartbroken over what's happening, and i would implore my party like let's try to inch that way as well. great great context. thank you. everyone stick around if you would next. the longtime democrat in north carolina, who shocked her voters this week when she suddenly switched to becoming a republican, i'll talk to a top official who calls it deceit of the highest order. i am chevalier one day world and outsider who rose to fame. he is the master of the sword maestro of the bow. risk everything is changing. i'm putting on a concept that is fun. the

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not be aware of what happened in the last 72 hours in my state is that a rock democratic majority or look for pet representative actually end up switching her party affiliation to the republican party this week, giving the republican the super majority in both our statehouse and state senate now, meaning that abortion rights voting rights are fundamental human rights are on the line again in north carolina. um for those of you who may not been keeping up with north carolina politics, we are we were one seat away from a super majority in the state legislature in the state house, in particular from the republican party and by representatives. gotham's decision to deceitfully um, you know for the voters of 1 12 switched her party affiliation this week. we have seen a real decline. and i think a, um a lack of hope honestly in our state right now for what is the common are republican led general assembly. and what do you think her motive? vision was, do you think the republicans were, you know, kind of courting her for a while. was this sudden? how long do you

think this has been going on? i think that this is absolutely premeditated. but i do believe that the democratic party has a obligation going forward to ensure that representative them upholds the values that she ran on and the values that voters voted her in on to be honest with you. hd 1 12 is a 60% democratic district and they didn't vote for republican and that seat. they voted for a democrat. and so we fully intend to like we do with our republican legislature everyday , hold them accountable and plan to hold represented column accountable to the voters that she is honest. left behind in this and what i really want to tell people, especially folks that are listening right now, you know, i mean, i'm from a rural part of the state of north carolina. i talked to folks all the time who feel fearful honestly, to call themselves the democrat in a rural part of the state. someone out of mecklenburg county should have no problem wearing that title and wearing it very proudly right now across north carolina , and so, patricia qassem to do this to us, i think is an extreme sign and a sign of

showing that she is really playing power and instead of applying for people at the end of the day, and we want to make sure that the democratic party is standing up for working families because we know what's on the line this cycle, and that includes everything from abortion rights to lgbtq rights to voting rights to our basic human rights are on the line. and so we want to make sure that voters are extremely educated about that and understand what this is doing in our state right now. let's talk about some of her positions because she was a long time democrat, so she was quite clear about her position on abortion. true. yes ma'am. absolutely has said it multiple times that you know she does not feel that a legislature to be deciding what a woman should or should not do with her own body . and in fact, i believe she shared a personal story. i mean, she was passionate about this. yes ma'am. absolutely and we hope we hope that she will stand by that. we really, really do. i think that everyone across our state expects representative column to uphold those values, and that is why we asked her to resign if she was not able to do so. but voters deserve to know

where she stands on these issues , and that is also part of what we are expecting her to do. what we're asking her to do is make sure that she is coming out on the side of that you will protect a woman's right to choose. you will protect reproductive freedoms throughout our state. you will make sure that you are standing up for the folks that elected you to that position. to begin with. she was saying that the reason she did this was because she was starting to be. she didn't recognize the democratic party that she used to know. she said. she was starting to be criticized for having using the praying hands emoji on her social media platforms and on bumper stickers that she has and using the american flag. do you think there was a different motivation? i mean, when we when we were talking about how the republicans might have courted her? have you seen any evidence of that? i you know, i'm not really at liberty to say, and i don't really know what her personal interactions have been with the republican party. what i do know is that she's done a disgraceful thing to the voters at hd 1 12, like i said earlier, they didn't vote for republican in that seat. they voted for a democrat, somebody who was going to stand up to corporate interests stand up for working

people, and krista caught them with aligning herself with the republican party of today's north carolina state legislature is denying every single bit of that she has aligned herself in a position that we do not think is going to vote. well for the folks of her district, and that's what we want to make sure the voters of her district knows that we are speaking for them when we're speaking on the fact that we want her to resign, but also if she's not going into which i do not honestly expect her to we want her, and we expect her to uphold the values that she was voted in under because the people of her district deserve that they deserve to be told and deserve to be. i think it's such a big deal when we talk about, you know, going back on your values right now in public service. it's so easy to do that. it's so easy to bend the knee to the hand that's in power right now. and i think that you know really, what we're trying to do is telling people that we're not going to lie to you in the voting booth. democrats are going to stand on what they always have, and we expect republicans to do the same. ah chairwoman anderson clayton. thank you very much for your time. we really appreciate

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veto proof majority in that state. then there's the victory of a liberal judge in wisconsin's supreme court election, which marks a significant political realignment there. it all shows that partisan fights in the states are shaping the laws that affect millions of americans and back with my panel. alyssa farah griffin, senator al franken, linette lopez and john avlon center. i know you're chomping at the bit to talk about this. so what do you think about what's happening in? i mean, pick your state about north carolina, tennessee talk about north carolina. abortion is a huge issue because it's the only state in the southeast that allows abortions so the number of abortions there has gone. i don't know. i don't know what the percentages but by enormous percentage she you referred to her personal story, which is she had a life saving abortion. lemack, who just switched from long time being a long time democrat to this week, declaring herself a republican and then

thereby giving a veto proof majority in north carolina. she had a lifesaving abortion and you just heard the chair of her party said that she's not. we're not sure if she still hold the same positions that she held as a democrat. well she ran on that six months ago and on not upholding. abortion and rights. and so that's an enormously important, of course, and it's you know, it's a mystery to me white. i don't think you change on what would it what was it that she changed on the prior emoji emoji? it's really stark when you're looking at what's going on in tennessee and what's going on in north carolina. today, you have a uh, representative stabbing her party in the back over the use of a prayer. emoji she says it was about yes, sure. allegedly and then in tennessee, you have young representatives being expelled in order to draw attention to children getting murdered in schools. that's the serious nous difference that

we're dealing with. with these two parties here. we have one party that's fighting to keep children alive, and we have another party that is really taking issue with how you're judging my the use. i was just saying, i think when you see how she votes, i mean she's she's. this is someone who served many times as a democratic lawmaker. i think we need to see if she's held outspoken positions. let's see what she does on the republican side. i do. take a bit of issue with running with one party and getting votes as that party and turning out democratic votes and then going the other direction. deceitful it seems to me it feels deceitful. but keep in mind. this used to be like blue dog democratic central. i think if he's schuler, who served in north carolina, and that wing of the democratic party is shrinking. there are not quite as many as there would have been even 10 years ago. so i do think there is a bit of a wake up call their of maybe you're losing some who could be trusted democrats on some of the issues that they just feel like the party is out of step with, but you know, she also could have said, look, i'm going to become an independent. right the critical factor here is that she

is crossing lines of six months after the last election to give republicans of veto proof super majority in the state legislature and, you know, we're talking about the national trends here. it's not just the nationalization of local politics. it's interesting. it's happening in north carolina because in north carolina in 2016, is where republicans began to do an end run after roy cooper's elect democratically elected governor, they started doing pulling power from the governor, which was then replicated in wisconsin two years later. and so this is this trend of state legislatures trying to remove power if the if the governor is a democrat. that's about undercutting representative democracy. that's exactly level of hyper partisan has to do with gerrymandering 100% in wisconsin in wisconsin, it's amazing for democrats to have a 50 50 chance. do at win, winning the majority in the state legislature, they have to win by 10 points. essentially yes, yes, it's crazy that gerrymandering they did, and that goes way back to the 2010

census. that was a census cycle. and also the republican lies about the affordable care act helped them pick up a lot of seats in the state legislature and in the house and they gerrymandered the hell out of the place. and it's been that way ever since. and the, uh, supreme court now has flipped. so it'll be a democratic or progressive majority. are you saying they're trying to recall that judge? i think in a couple of wisconsin legislators have the way north carolina see, i don't understand what her endgame is. i believe it's two year terms. she's going to be up for re election in the same district she ran in where she was elected by democratic voters. even if she is now you know on and a committee as a chairwoman and has more of a fundraising capacity. you're still not going to win in a deeply blue district, so it seems short sighted. a lot of it's just very serious. i would say that a lot of it is just very mysterious. i think there's

more there. we don't know her motivation to me. you were talking about the courting of her. and it just seems just very mysterious to me people flip parties in the past, but they usually showed a bit. it was somebody who's like a consummate moderate and they flipped to the other side. it doesn't sound like this is kirsten cinema exactly just out of curiosity became an independent. yes indeed. can voters recall her? is that possible for sort of deceiving them. that makes a lot of work. state state by status, alright. forget i suggested it. thank you all very much. meanwhile stormy daniels is speaking out in her first interview since donald trump's indictment. we're gonna tell you what she's saying. next plus stormy daniels plus singer jewel is here with an important message for us can't wait to talk to her. love me a and. for

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question. for a different reason. this is at its heart, a white collar case. this is about bank records and false. it's a falsifying business records case . it's not really about a porn star sleeping with donald trump. and that is a little salacious and in some ways isn't is beside the point. right so it's a tough call. we'll see if they end up putting her on or not, but it's not necessary. you know, it's about the conspiracy, calling an accountant, not stormy daniels. it's about the conspiracy between the former president michael cohen has fixer and david pecker, the ceo of a american media inc that owned the national enquirer and the conspiracy that they for the criminal conspiracy that they formed together to catch and kill. negative stories to promote positive stories about mr trump and negative ones about his opponents. and it was all about that and then falsifying business records. john swing business records, maybe the technical crime, but i think it

dramatically under sells the context, right? i mean, we're talking here about trying to keep information from the american people weeks before days before the election that could have absolutely swayed the election in a different direction. that's the context here and if a democrat had done, this would be an entirely you know, there'd be there'd be a righteous outrage course from republicans and they have a point. so i mean, i understand that this is about banking records. but the context the reason it might matters is because it could have been the arc of american history in a fundamental way by that hush money payments. and wouldn't it be helpful to hear her say the conversations that she had with michael cohen of the conversations that she had with any of these people? potentially i mean there was there was also at one point, she denied having an affair with donald trump. and then she admitted it, so you know she'll get cross examined about changing stories. they may very well call her and karen macdougal and the doorman. we just don't know. grand jury presentation is a lot less. it's bare bones, as they say this one was a little bit more because it turned into a mini trial because

they put on a defense. and so there was a rebuttal with david pecker. this one was a little bit bigger than a typical grand jury presentation. they may very well call. these witnesses will see kirby a good witness. people know what story is this is what conversations she had with michael cohen. i'd like to hear that. i think that would be might be interesting. michael cohen could testify to that, too. i think there there is a little danger and putting it on and it's a little it. they know we know it. we know what the case is about. so it's a little beside the point. and i think that we wanna. and i don't know i i'm not a district attorney, but i hear you, alyssa. from the d a s perspective. i completely agree. i don't think that it would make sense necessarily or necessary to put her up. however there is kind of a vital public interest there. she would be under oath. so she's given tons of media interviews, michael cohen's given countless media interviews, i would these kind

of characters that that you know involved in these cases that we've heard from so much. it's important to hear when they are under penalty of perjury, and i think that there is some interest there. and by the way, what we can't forget in this whole discussion is a lot of people decided in my party, you know, in 2016 to turn a blind eye to the stormy daniels affair and to kind of plug their nose and vote for donald trump, but i think that it's kind of a necessary reminder of what happened in the circumstances heading into 2024, so i'm not sure that they was out there in some ways, which is the access hollywood. actually, you're right, hollywood. that was why it was so important to briber because they right it better. on top of that. it would have been 12 punch. yes but let's talk about the judge in this case because the judge, it turns out the judge in this case. gave a whopping $35. a political contribution he gave $15 to the biden campaign and $10 to

progressive turnout project and $10 to something called stop republicans. karen that's not a lot of money that he gave, but it does it does this in some way. change him, and i guess disqualify him from this case. do you think this was one. this is very upsetting because judge marshawn is one of the great judges sitting in manhattan supreme court. he is a fair minded down the middle. you don't know if he's pro prosecutor, pro defense he calls balls and strikes kind of judge. he's not overly friendly. he's not over. you know, he's just a judge like he's a really serious solid judge. and it was disappointing to see and find this out because there are specific rules about judicial conduct and judges in general are prohibited from having any political activity or affiliation or participating in

politics at all, unless there's a slight exception. if you run for office, and then there's a window, but he's not an elected judge. john what's your feeling my feelings? what a dumb mistake to diminish your credibility. was it worth 35 bucks? i mean, we'll see what the implications for this case, but there's a larger problem this country about the politicization of the of judges and the courts. this is a really small example. but it hurts his credibility. later in the program. we're going to talk about supreme court justice clarence thomas, who took a half a million dollar gift to go on a super yacht and a private plane , so $15 he did not tell anyone but $15. seems different, but in any event as you point out, it's you know, this rule is a rule should also caution of, you know, make sure it was him and someone didn't donate in his name. if he did he buttoned up unforced error. all right, thank you all very much. next singer songwriter jewel is going to tell us what society has all wrong about happiness and what we need to get right about mental health. in the.

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and her personal search for happiness. she also has a new opinion piece at cnn .com, where she talks about the programs she supports. that offers help to others she recently co founded inner world appeared to peer virtual mental health community and jewel joins me now jewel is such a delight to have you on the show. thank you for having me. so your cnn piece this week . it's an op ed and you say what our society gets wrong about mental health. so what's our biggest mistake? you know, we just haven't advanced technologically, with our mental health challenges. we haven't seen the same growth in innovation that we have another areas and that's actually one of the reasons i co founded in our world was to try and solve that problem. we're in this tremendous bottleneck where there are not enough therapists. so even if people are seeking help, we don't have the therapist to match that. and so we need better solutions before we get to the solutions. i just want to talk a little bit about your own history because i think that it's fascinating particularly because so many of

us love your songs and love your music, and it's interesting to know what you were going through as you wrote them, and so in particular. well first of all, i think some people know that you left home at 15. and obviously, that was a challenge for your mental health. and there were i'm sure plenty of risks for that and your songs who will save your soul that we just heard and hands which we all know? how did that play into or help you process? whatever you're going through mental health was. yeah i knew that being raised in abusive household and moving out at 15. didn't you know? look good for me. i knew that statistically, i should end up repeating the cycle and that really bothered me. i wanted to feel like i had access to happiness, but i didn't have access to traditional support systems like therapy or even a family network at the time, and so i was very determined to see if happiness was a learn herbal skill. was it a teachable skill? and was it something i could learn by myself? just by being very observant. and writing was one of the things that really helped

me do that will save your soul is obviously about me trying to come to terms with can i save myself? um and hands was my journey through shoplifting. believe it or not, while i was homeless and saying, it's not enough. i own my hands. nobody can make me steal. i have to change what my hands do. i was so fascinated to read about that jewel because we think of shoplifting as a crime, not as a mental health symptom. i would personally say it's a real mental health problem because it was for me a real addiction. at first it started with food, which sounds reasonable. i was homeless and i was stealing food , but as soon escalated to things that i didn't need, and it was a way of comforting my anxiety, it's because i had such an intense amount of anxiety. i needed something more intense to drown it out, and that's an intensity addiction, and there's all kinds. it could be shoplifting for somebody. it could be a sex addiction for somebody else. it could be self harming for in some buddy else to get altogether. so in terms of solutions you'd like to see every company and family have a

chief mental health officer. so just in practical terms as a mother of three teenagers as i am, what would that look like? if i'm the chief mental health officer of my house? what would i do? what's my job? you know, i think of it a lot like fitness. it used to be in the you know forties having a fitness trainer was unheard of idea. and now it's very common. if you want to learn all the techniques of how to get stronger. you go hire a trainer. you go to a gym. there's readily available facilities facilities now i want to make that as popular with mental health where we can have as much access and it's de stigmatized to that level, not to mention where it's scaled where we have access. every company should have achieved mental health officer every households who should have access to tools that are going to work for them and their family. so tell us about inner world yeah, in our world is a peer to peer cognitive behavioral immersion site where

it's a completely bully free safe zone. people come in, and they learn tools. instead of having therapy done to them. they're just as i mentioned or not enough, therapists and cbt is inaccessible to millions of people around the world. because of that. so we developed cb i. it's cognitive behavioral immersion. it's a form of psychological intervention that has been demonstrated to be effective for a range of problems, including depression, anxiety disorders and more. people can find out more at inner world. i think this will help thousands and thousands of people. thank you so much for your songs and for sharing your story with us. it's a delight to talk to you. thanks for having me really appreciated. you've got much more ahead, including a report showing several luxury trips. supreme court justice took on a billionaire's yacht. he also happens to be a republican donor will explain.

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