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clarence thomas, his wife, jenny and harlan crow. he is a texas real estate tycoon worth a lot of money, big donator to conservative causes. so what went on here? a lot of travel paid for by crow and enjoyed by the justice and his wife, according to this report from propublica to where indonesia. new zealand, california, georgia , texas. a reporter behind this said some sort of travel some sort of perk seem to be happening almost every year for 20 years. among the other perks. yeah travel onboard a super yacht where they had full amenities on board, a private jet and $19,000 bible that was gifted to thomas by crow. it belonged to frederick douglass, the famed abolitionist and time at private resorts as well all of this free to the justice and his wife, according to this report, paid for by crow, who else might be along on some of these trips? well executives at verizon and pricewaterhousecoopers, the big

business people, major republican donors as well. leader of the american enterprise institute, and notable think tank groups are of here in town and conservative issues and a former counsel. to the former vice president, mike pence, among others. now, crow the man with the money for all of this says look, there's nothing going on here. this is simply friendship. he's known them for a long, long time. justice thomas and jenny never asked for any of this hospitality never asked about a pending or lower court case, and justice thomas has never discussed. one so, but he's saying, these are just friends getting together. it has nothing to do with politics. certainly nothing to do with the court. but this is all a gathering time and again of conservative decision makers, people pushing conservative agendas and having very close access, according to this report to the justice and his wife. with them not paying the bill for anything but this rich conservative paying the bill all the way. alison okay,

tom foreman. thank you very much for breaking all that down. let's bring in my panel now. um, emma, you understand business. this these trips, which they took many times, sometimes annually, would have cost half a million dollars. that's a vacation worth $500,000 and justice thomas didn't disclose. these trips. i do wonder if you wanted to vacation on a 162 ft yard. if he went into the wrong line of work, i mean, he's a public servant has paid $285,000 . i think that this remains a lot of investigation and scrutiny and i think it's worth stating up front. there is no historical precedent for the amount and the frequency of the kind of flouting of legal ethics here, and i mean, the supreme court is a body of nine people who are tasked with being are kind of ethical police. our arbiters of legal standards in this country. and so i think that the fact that one of the members of that body considered

himself above his own legal standards, and that that is also someone who has a track record. of you know, refusing to recuse himself from potential conflicts of interest. i think all of that is something that raises a lot of questions and just alarm bells. super gross. it's that's a lot of money to be just kind of vacuuming up as a justice, but the funny thing i think about what you just mentioned. he's paid $285,000. and i think this is not an apology for him. but i think we pay our public servants way too little. i mean, $205,000 is a lot of money. a lot of people in this country would love to make $285,000. but you know, ceo media executives, people on television make a lot more than that, and like we want our best and brightest to be in these jobs. why not pay them millions of dollars to do that? you know, i think they're often is an issue where the more you make, the more you want to make. i don't think that we start with public school teachers who are

risking their lives every day now, maybe, but if you look at it this way, right now you're taking like talented, ambitious people. and you're saying here make $175,000 and like i'm i'm talking about people who work in the white house. people work. it's pretty core people who work in congress and what you're doing. basically, you're saying, like, oh, you see all these wealthy connected people that could give you money. why don't you sell access to them so you can have a nice retirement vacation. people do not become supreme court justices for the money. and i think there's still a lot of people want to be supreme court justices. i don't think you need to worry about apologize for anything. he did gross, but i just think it's like $300,000 for someone. we want. a million dollars. you still can't go on a super yacht in indonesia. but i also think that ultimately the issue here is even if there is an impropriety, which i actually think there is, but in my opinion, but the you know, the supreme court is as unpopular as it has ever been, since they have been polling the supreme court this isn't neto. people think of it as a k a lot of

people in this country. think of it as a kangaroo court. here we are, and we have, uh, you know, he's the you know, it looks like impropriety, even if it isn't to the people outside of it. it looks like impropriety. could it not be improvised? look i think i think he should have disclosed clearly these gifts. but harlan crow's hospitality towards clarence thomas had no effect on his legal decisions. do you know it didn't but it didn't. but it didn't matter what here's what it didn't. it didn't matter if he had cocktails on a yacht. or if he had to shake at mcdonald's . his legal reason he was going to be his reasoning. regardless i didn't know that because there's a history of conservative thought. well, he's always been a conservative. i take your point has always been a concern. but how do you know they're not talking about, you know issues. here's the question republicans. what is the quid pro quo? what did harlan crow have to offer? clarence thomas? because what's different with legislators as you have donors that could could influence their next election? harlan crow can't give clarence thomas something

he already has. he has a lifetime appointment on the supreme court, so i just you know again, it's improper. i think to molly's point. i agree that it doesn't help the institution. but it's a little bit like speeding. 67 a 55? yeah. kind of dangerous but the big ethical issue that we ought to focus on is the stewardship of taxpayer funds, and that's i care a lot about transparency. my former boss, coburn wrote. a landmark transparency builds barack obama in 2006 government. taxpayer funds, your different it's a different takeover. look, i would say it's a different level of scrutiny should be outraged by the by the trillions of dollars outreach by that, too, and i'll go ahead. this is a group of people who are supposed to be avoiding even the appearance. hints of a conflict of interest. and, you know, i don't think it's so much to ask that we should hold this group of nine people just to the highest possible ethical and legal. also i just like to say that we can hear from justice thomas himself about the kinds of vacations that he really prefers, because he has spoken

publicly privately, he's going on the super yacht. but publicly here's what he says about his dream vacation. you know, i don't have any problem with going to europe, but i prefer to united states and i prefer seeing the regular parts. united states. i prefer going across the rural areas. i prefer the rv parks. i prefer the walmart parking lots to the beaches and things like that. there's something normal to me about it. i'm come from regular stock, and i prefer that i prefer being around them. he prefers the walmart parking lot to these super yacht that he's going on in private and indonesia. and yet he doesn't have to win elections. why is he spouting phony baloney? like just be real man? it's a lifetime appointment, but he has a rich friend. i mean, that's really the story. why is that scandalous clearance? let's get

out of here like rv parks and parking walmart parking lots for his vacation. do you not see any hypocrisy there? no i again like his clearance. thomas was going to be clarence thomas. regardless of what harlan crow, but better if he stayed in her home goes it to the court. walmart market didn't declare, and i think what's important here is that after 2004 when there was a big story about all his gifts that he got in the l a times, he stopped declaring his gifts, and he did not declare larger gifts for 17 years. and i think that's certainly looks like impropriety to me, and that's that's the i agree with you because i think he he's brought undue. reputational harm on the supreme court. he didn't need to do that. so yes, i'm not. i'm not defending him not disclosing, but i think we have to put it in perspective that the bigger ethical problem or the trillions of dollars of politicians ways because they don't want to do that. they don't want to do their job. that totally story different day. i agree with this one is about

super yachts. and, um, i know that you also know this republican donor mega donor. not as well as i'd like to buddy up can see that all right? yes. stay with me. everyone. next we're learning. stir bing new details about the stabbing death. of cash app founder bob lee in san francisco. we'll tell you what was caught on tape. we're done. what about these looks right. quick the quicker picker upper one sheet of bounty is all you need and bounty is two times more absorbent so you can use less bounty. the quicker picker upper harvey. i'm 31. i'm a fitness instructor. i saw myself in the photograph and we were all smiling and i looked closer and i was like that. that's what everybody sees. i'm back and i got botox cosmetic. the lines were so prominent. it's all i saw in the photograph. so now when i take

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don't know what's happening there. no problem. we can still see you. we have him on main street coming up where the incident occurred. he's holding his side. he's talking on his phone, perhaps then he crosses and he approaches a car has its hazards on it seems like he's trying to get help from the car . he reaches his hands to show that he injured the car drives away. then he falls to the ground, and then he crosses the street and falls again. and that's what the video that i saw shows it's now been in additional video, the daily mail published that we have seen as well which shows him sometime later. we believe it's hard to know going to the door of the building, falling down, trying to have two other cars stop. but at this point. the actual incident, and we're still kind of asking a lot of questions in terms of what what happened on the ground on tuesday night. there's so much that's disturbing and what you've just

described. was he staggering around. i mean, how injured was he when he was trying to and it's he was approaching these cars? um ostensibly for help. right and was he screaming? was he yelling? what? what else could you tell well, there's no sound on the video that i looked at. so it's hard to say what he was saying. if he was screaming. he was definitely staggering. he was definitely moving about like a man who had had some kind of injury or something that happened. he raised his shirt up. um again, these were grainy videos. it's kind of hard to know exactly what was going on. it was a disturbing video to watch. there was no one around. but those cars that passed this is not a really heavily trafficked section of town at that hour. no section of town is, um, but that's kind of what what? what we saw it. it looked like a man who had been stabbed twice trying to figure out how to get to the hospital and the idea that he walked up to a car with its hazards blinking so somebody in the car parked on

that street and they drove away . i mean, could you tell? did they don't know if you could see the driver or if they looked spooked or what? that exchange was like you couldn't see the driver. you couldn't tell it was going on. he was very close to the car, so it wasn't as if i were in a car and someone came up to me and raised their shirt up and showed they're bloody side. i would probably know that it had happened. so you know this is me speculating. i wasn't in that car. but from the video that i saw that driver. might very well have known what was happening. but then again, you have to put yourself in that person's shoes. if you're in the middle of the night, 2 30 am roughly in san francisco or any other city and someone who's bloody walks up to you. it might be something you'd be frightened of. you know, i just don't know what was going through that person's mind. absolutely okay. so tell us what the 911 call shows or sounded like michael barber, who have been working very closely on reporting this story out. obtained the 911 calls, which showed that he

called 911 himself. he yelled for help. he said he'd been stabbed. pretty disturbing to hear to go through the transcripts and see you know what he said. so obviously we know he made that call himself again. the pieces of information that we have two videos now. our video and the daily mail videos. and the 911 calls still, you know, just show this man in despair. there's still this man who's saying he's just been stabbed and it needs to go to the hospital trying to get help. but we just don't know. um if anybody was with him, we don't know where he came from that night. we have an idea what he's doing in san francisco. he's on a business, but we just don't know the circumstances that surrounded and you know, went to the scene in the morning after the incident, and i could see blood splattered all over the sidewalk. i mean, you could see the trail of blood that led under the a bridge. all the way half a block up, and then there was blood smear on the side of

the building where i believe he fell and police found him unconscious. so awful jonathan lamb, thank you for sharing your reporting with us. we know you'll be staying on this story and please keep us updated. we really appreciate you being here. it's my pleasure. thank you so much. my panel is back with me. um what an awful story . i mean, just more mysterious and there's just, you know, more details. don't really help us understand what happened, but just the notion that he was yelling for help and that you know, people were driving away which, as john just said you can understand in the middle of the night why somebody would be scared. um john, people talk a lot about this is san francisco . this is an example of san francisco crime. um a lot of big cities are having crime right now. san francisco is not the only one. it's not just democratic run cities, as we sometimes hear from republic exactly this. this really should not be partisan issue like we're everyone. every american is outraged and saddened by this, and that's the right response. and if you look at the crime issue over the past 20 or 30 years, there was a reaction to

correction to the tough on crime era from the eighties and nineties that the three strikes you're out here to and that correction in many in many ways was was proper. and right. there was a great bill that that van jones, one of the contributors of cnn, worked on with the trump administration with the coke network that gave new pathways for people to get out of prison to get into productive lives. so there's been a lot of really good work. we talk a lot about everything broken in politics, but sometimes things work, but that correction has become kind of an overcorrection and some and some cities. so i think the progressive left has gone too far, and i think policymakers need to find an equilibrium. although in san francisco, the d a was recalled 10 months, so i mean, there are a lot of people in san francisco who had made this partisan and have said that this is somehow chaz board ends , you know fault even though he hasn't been in office for 10 months, i do think there is a tendency and republicans to say that cities are dangerous hellholes. we had marjorie taylor green in our city. and

she said it was a dangerous hell hall. i have found new york not to be a dangerous hell hall. so i mean, i think that it is important to you know, this is a crime. we don't know a lot of what's happened yet, and i think we need to wait and see because, you know, we don't know the details and we were just putting up statistics there that people could see that violent crime is , you know, i mean, it's fluctuating but basically in 2002, it is up in a lot of cities. some of these are republican run cities with mayors, and some of them are democrats. the data before and violent crime is there. francisco is actually just kind of ping pong between 40 and 60 murders a year and it's 55 last year. it's kind of where it's been since 2010. i think the problem we're looking at here is that story of people driving past and again? you're right. we're speculating, but i think san francisco is a city that demands apathy from. it's from the people who live there. i visit san francisco. you're constantly surrounded by homeless people in the business direct districts, and they have a serious problem of they. you know, new york has as many or

more homeless people and its city, but 55% of the homeless people. already on the street in san francisco. it's 50% of the people who are homeless or on the street. that's 4000 people. so you're in san francisco. there are people shouting on the street who knows who and you just learn to ignore it. so if it's two a.m. and a man approaches, you kind of like staggering towards you. you're just gonna drive on because it's learned behavior. and so that's a real societal problem that needs addressing. there's no doubt this is a horrific crime, but i do want to say we've already seen some tech executive seizing on this. to kind of stir public fears. we had elon musk, for example, with a reactionary response and actually violent crime rates in sf are lower than they've been historically in the nineties in 2020. um violent crime in sf was 21% below the average of the 20 other most populous cities in the country, so i think there are very lurid incidents like this that stir up public fears. but i think we

have to keep an eye on the numbers and have a measured response. you're totally right. but perception is also out there of it being a dangerous city. all these tech entrepreneurs are saying they're moving to miami instead. a more violent city for sure, but i mean, i two o'clock in the morning. the guy's bleeding. i mean, i could see how that would be a judgment call, right? i mean, i don't know that that you can make a case that that's empathy is lack of empathy as much as it is, like, two o'clock in the morning. i mean, i do think and again i just think that this is a crime where we know so little about it, and it is so salacious that i do think until we know more. it's really hard to extrapolate. and i do think that it's not the time to sort of political politicized it is and i assume we will know more because there are surveillance cameras. um hopefully on many of those streets thank you all very much up next. the conservative leaning supreme court, denying west virginia's request to enforce an anti trans sports ban will explain. save up to 80%

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transgender cross country and track athlete justices alito and thomas dissenting, saying they would have granted that request the biden administration weighing in on the transgender athlete debate, proposing new federal rules that would undo blanket bands but still provides schools the ability to enforce some restrictions. i'm back now with my panel who's surprised by the supreme court order today. that it didn't go west virginia's way. good sign that for those three. i think it's a good sign with the three trumpy justice is not getting involved . i mean, i thought that was hoped. in my mind, it was hopeful. how did you say i think they may be showing a level of prudence that legislators across the country are not showing and i think you know when you when you write a law, you write a bill. you have to really think about what problem are you trying to solve? and is this a problem that can be solved by legislation so i think it's apparent i think what what parents are normal america are concerned about is if the issue of trans become such a such a

thing, culturally, that kids and teenagers who are going through normal developmental confusion. well, all of a sudden decide. okay, well, you must be. you must be trans. you must have a you need to have a procedure and that's what that's what red voters will actually say they're worried about right. they're scared. scared, scared, but a bill that's an overreaction. if you think that's the problem that will make that problem worse, not better, and i think the supreme court has and in the end exactly the culture war battles of the eighties and nineties didn't go well. we've seen a record wave of anti lgbtq legislation from state legislatures. and you know, this is the big sign that maybe the courts aren't gonna hold all those laws up as we go forward. i mean, i've also just been thinking about all of the people, especially the young people who are following orders like this and also feeling their facts like this. this is the most marginalized population in the country. it's um i was looking at a report today that said 43% of transgender youth are bullied in their schools. so

this is a population of people who are just so used to wrestling with their identities and feeling. um you know, no sense of belonging, so being able to just look toward higher bodies of legal authority that are making some moves to affirm their rights, i think is kind of moving and order. that means that they would give schools the discretion. to sort of a case by case basis. i mean, i think that that's sort of the cut out there but that it's against the bit. i mean, look, it's good. the bands need to stop and i think that there is a federal place for stopping these bands and especially because these bands are i mean, there's no one is. i believe no one is protecting children here. this is about targeting a group. ah so i do think that's good. but there is this cutout, which used in a bad way could mean that the schools could still have these bands. uh something else, but yeah, those are there two different issues, though the supreme court refusing to uphold the virginia and then the biden, but i think

i think there's going to be a backlash authorities to the biden because you know as a i don't want biden being around coach soccer for kids like why is joe biden going to be a referee on this issue? do we really need joe biden? discretion is trying to go. he doesn't he's using the federal department of education what schools can and can't do, and that's gonna that's going to create more backlash. polarization that's what the cutout that people don't think the cutout is enough. that's it. that's the word that should just be silent parallel to the disney to scientists thing where it's like it feels like a lot of things happening right now or because politicians are kind of like instagram influencers now, and they just kind of say things to get likes or whatever, and they're not really paying attention to detail. all politicians the maybe not all but lots of politicians and like so the thing gets passed, and it's like it's the courts, and it falls apart. all right, let's talk about where biden is because we have an interesting new cnn poll out. just about his approval and where he is, so let's first look at his

reelection. okay so this is about asking. does joe biden deserve reelection? there? it is , only 32% of respondents say yes and 67% say no. and if you dive into that a little bit more and look at, say his attributes . and so what? people what people are responding to in him. so biden does he have the stamina and sharpness 32% say yes and 67% say no. so that's probably what that is about what maybe what those respondents are basing it on, then inspires confidence. 35 only 35% say yes. cares about people like you. it goes up to 45% honest and trustworthy. 45% yes, your thought anybody have thoughts. quick one, which is joe biden likes to say, don't compare me to the almighty alternative. there's no alternative here, you know, so we don't know who the alternative is yet if it's the guy who keeps getting indicted, like, you know, then maybe

people will feel differently. well, here's historical comparison. if we want to look at that, so where in march of their third year, other presidents were in terms of their approval rating. um bush was very high kennedy very high. but then when you go down to clinton 40 for trump 40 to biden 42 reagan 41 carter 39. so it's so interesting that trump in 19 in 2019 and biden now are tied, i think go ahead. you got friends. i think it's early too early to really say much of these bowls, but but i would add that i think biden's age problem isn't just biological, its ideological that his ideas i think are old and tired, and his economic agenda is based on 19 thirties keynesian economics. this idea that government spending the stimulus well in some limited cases, that could be true. but as a whole government doesn't create wealth and redistributes wealth, and we have inflation and economic pain because of that flawed ideology

. that's why his poll numbers will you were saying that his ideas are too progressive. and now your entire progressive is also old and tired. oh i mean to find a way. don't worry. i know . i'm sorry. i let you go. just i mean, look, i think we're so dug in in this country. you see the be you know democrats. are they like their guy republicans ? they like their guy. i mean, i don't think i think i think this is very distracting. i think this polling i mean, i think that question of whether people deserve to be reelected. nobody feels good about that question. whatever you ask anyone, they say no. you know that guy owes me but i do think ultimately we still have more to see. and you know, the thing is, he's never pulled particularly well and he has over delivered and every election. alright, guys, i'm sorry. we're out of time on that because we need to get to this. tonight's pulse of the people. how is gen z shaping norms about

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subscriptions and you can cancel the ones you don't want with one tap joined rocket money today. good morning, everyone we do begin with breaking news this morning. here's a generational question are gen xers living in a gens e world or vice versa? in tonight's pulse of the people, we get a cross section of generations together to talk about how they see themselves each other and the future. can you let me start with you? how would you describe gen z would describe gen. z as being challengers so being able to challenge the norm and thinking about how we can be more inclusive with different people at the workplace and outside of the workspace, come at it from a different approach, i would say gen. z it's probably one of the more entitled generations in a while. i think the gen z thinks

that things should be handed to them. we kind of grew up on the ideology of everyone deserves a trophy, and we never really were taught how to lose or how to bounce back. i think the work ethics that was there in previous generations isn't there as much but what's the what's the downside, jack to the everybody gets a trophy situations. i think it's top people that losing isn't real, and that second place is okay. i kind of always grew up on the idea that if you're not first, you're last and it always pushes you to get to the top, and we see that level of motivation or generation. i'm not particularly sure that i do is i understand it. you posted a video to tiktok about your work, life balance, and basically that it was i guess upside down. so will you tell it got 400,000 views? how we typically think about work is typically we work 9 to 5. and then our days are over thinking about how can we release shift our mindset to think about our

own lives and prioritize ourselves over our work? i was just going through this morning . my son who's graduating college going through the interview process. and when he was mentioning what's important to him being his life work balance, and i think that's great. but don't lead with that . because if i'm in a potential employer, all i'm hearing is this kid isn't going to work hard. and when i graduated school and entered the entertainment business, all anybody wanted to hear his. i'll do whatever i need to get ahead . you just tell me and point me and i'll work as hard as humanly possible. i don't think anyone's really looking to go back to our and a half long commutes to work. i definitely think that the work ethic of gen z something that maybe could use a bit of a lift in hour and a half commute to work. that's because i'm gen x haven't learned the lesson yet from your generation , sarah as a gen xer. what do you think hearing all of this? we came up being latchkey kids.

we came up being more independent. we didn't have the technology dependence that the generations after us had, and i think that's all served us well , in a way to kind of carve out our own live more independently and to kind of take more responsibility for our own circumstances. and maybe i don't want to say we're less whiny. maybe i do as a fellow gen xer i totally where the latchkey kid thing is a badge of honor. you know, like we had to do it ourselves exactly. but one of the things that was always frustrating to me was that i came into office work. overseen by boomers. the higher ups in my office were older than me, and so we were still living in this very traditional office environment. and now i see the dunns ears coming in, and i couldn't be more thrilled to see them challenging some of these norms that have been set in offices about about the 9 to 5

about the lack of treatment for mental health about treating any discussion of work life balance as if it's just kind of self indulgence. uh luxury rather than sort of an inherent human rights, and i i've just been so impressed and kind of jealous, really. i hope we have the opportunity to fix some of the messages that we've left for the younger generations because i don't want the world the political landscape the environmental landscape to be so unpleasant that it, uh it interferes with the quality of life for future future generations. for my children, i just want them to survive. frankly there's so much that as a parent that i'm concerned about i want her to have a healthy place to grow up and good medical care and all of those things if you guys could just in a phrase in a sentence share with me. your thoughts for the future. bye. couldn't be

more ready for gen. z to really come of age and start running things. i don't tend to share the same optimism as sarah in terms of gen z, taking over. and . obtaining more power. i think that jen's e is going a little too far in one direction. and i wouldn't say that i'm entirely on board with that. i would say that my view for the future is also cautiously optimistic. um but i feel we really have to work together. look there's very panel and six strangers of different backgrounds and ages. we haven't yelled at each other once. if we can just expand on this and have people actually talk. who have differences in age. backgrounds beliefs. uh that's that's where the answers will lie. that's what we do here every night. so our panel of gen xers and jen's ears are going to

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because it shook everything up, but i do think that your generation has new norms that isn't like must work 80 hours a week and make a lot of money and i write totally. i mean, i think the pandemic really shattered those norms and made it more acceptable for us to come in and say, you know what the status quo actually isn't really working. and if jen easy as one thing. it's unabashedly authentic and honest. and so they saw something. maybe they saw their parents who had struggled with these crazy worked weeks and they said, you know what? i don't necessarily want to subscribe to this and i'm going to say, make a point about it, so i do think the pandemic really did play a role in shaping that proud. gen xer, what are your thoughts? i mean good for them, right? i'm happy to work a little less. i mean, right? isn't it having smarter isn't it having an impact on your jobs? absolutely yeah. i mean, i think i think your description was was spot on that it that depend emmick shattered a paradigm. and we're in the process of rebuilding that. so

your generation your two generations are a big part of that, and i think it's benefiting. you know my our generation. but aren't we cooler ? because we were lasky kids helicopter. they were helicopter and so don't you have pride of ownership of the latchkey moniker? yes yes, we had these. we didn't have, like phones. you know, they would just tell us to like money. the internet. we were the last last generation to remember the world before the internet before we could google things. just sit there and stare at the wall. you know in the your parents would say, like bring a book. you know, i mean, it was it was dark days. yeah started at the same time when it comes to those crazy workweeks couldn't be seen that because we have our phones at all times. if you're an employee, you can constantly be contacted by your employer. you're always on call . your boss can call you at any time of day, especially in a work from home mode like are you at home? are you working so i

don't know if it's a black and white except that you're working in your pajamas and slippers were in the office during all of those hours, and we weren't in pajamas. i mean, i was often wearing things that akin to pajamas because we were working so much, but, yeah, i just think that yes, it's true. there's not a boundary, but, um, it's more comfortable. yes and that is true pajamas and slippers but pajamas and a sport coat. yeah business on that i've done. it's more like, um and do you guys are you guys happy that you were helicopter parented? um you know, mixed feelings. i'm pro our current state of pajamas or at least like pajamas two days a week. i would say that just taking a step back for a second to i think this kind of invitation to rethink all these norms is also colliding with a lot of us feeling this kind of state of dread like there's you know, there's climate dread. there's gun violence. there's all these layers of crisis interacting and i think it's like asking a lot of us to step back and say, like, was the system working like okay, this

system of working around the clock created this. is it working our priorities in order and so too kind of layer that with like, okay, now we finally have an opportunity to step back and ask them big questions about what we were expecting of ourselves. i think that's really powerful. i think so, too. yeah i think i think part of our responsible is that we're almost a translator generation because we could we understand and communicate with gen. z and millennials were a little younger than the boomers. but like in in the yeah, like a lot younger, but you know, there's a group that i founded on the conservative coalition for climate solutions. we've identified that that younger republican voters believe climate change is real, and we're taking that message to older members of congress. and they can't argue with your generation. they can argue with me, but they can't argue with your is that right? are they listening? absolutely you're seeing a difference? look at hr one. hr one reflects the work that we spent years on developing an energy, pro energy innovation agenda. absolutely and there's a lot of other groups in that space doing the same thing. good you go american

conservation coalition to is a group that i speak with often and they're holding a big event in salt lake city in june, and it's all about conservative climate solutions. and so maybe they're not for the green new deal, which they're not, but therefore finding ways to our promise. and it does seem like it's gaining traction even from conservatives. um, absolutely last word. my i have a lot of hope for your generation, though. i do think our generation is great, and we have really suffered and you know, they think they're the greatest generation. we live for that internet meme, which you know you could argue was better on some point level. yes thank you . all really great to have you here tonight. thanks so much for the conversation. okay tune into cnn this morning tomorrow. the ceo of jpmorgan chase. jamie diamond speaks out. about the recent bank collapses and what this means for the chance of recession. thanks so much for watching tonight. our coverage continues now. when you find

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