certainty, considering everything i know about this case. i do not believe that justice is served by executing a man based on the testimony of a compromised witness, and what the attorney general is referring to there is that another man convicted in this case, justin sneed, who was the man who confessed to actually murdering their boss, where the two men worked at the time. and he had snead has since, uh, kind of started to recant his confession and pinpointing, um richard glossip as the man who hired him to carry out this murder that has come out in new investigation. so all of this information now going to the oklahoma court of criminal appeals, and obviously glossip side is hoping that this saves his life. equal justice under law is what everyone deserves. and thanks to 3000 hours of pro bono work by by lawyers were at this point, so we'll follow it and thank you. cnn this morning continues now. dozens of rockets

fired from lebanon. israeli military announced new strikes on both gaza and lebanon days after israeli forces stormed one of islam's holiest sites decided i hear the warm it was very, very scary peacekeeping force in lebanon stressed that neither side wants another war. one week ago. we had members take it upon themselves to rush the well and stop the people's business point. did we encourage violence . and we will never quit? justice thomas's luxury trips with the gop mega donor republika, revealing decades perks the supreme court justice received from texas billionaire harlan crow struck us in this reporting was just the frequency of these trips and just the

lavishness. revelations in this report has critics in congress calling to impose serious ethical rules on the highest court in the land. you say better regulation would not have prevented they would have would have. so what's better? very often. when it comes to regulations you have. this is the problem. they try to fix that. but it often has unintended consequences if you want healthy regional banks, banks should also listen to them . if you don't worry in this business are crazy. what are you most worried about right now? the 87th masters here at augusta is well and truly underway, but the real question is what's the best masters snapped? obviously the pimento cheese is a big thing. salad to georgia peach ice cream sandwich. dessert. oh, my god. yeah. yeah everything this morning, even food, but good morning, everyone. we begin with some really stressing news that is coming out of the middle east. we're following this serious escalation there of violence this morning overnight

, israel, launching a string of air strikes on lebanon and gaza . they say they carried out the strike in retaliation against palestinian militants. here's how we got to this point on wednesday, police in israel that rate of our aqsa mosque there, one of islam's holiest sites, video showed police shooting rubber bullets and beating worshippers. then they stormed the mosque a second time just hours later, and on thursday, palestinian militants fired more than 30 rockets from lebanon into israeli territory at his according to israeli forces, they say that's why they were retaliated overnight by striking targets in lebanon and gaza. cnn's hadas gold live press near the israel lebanon border with more hadas. good morning. there's already been more violence this morning. what is happening at this hour? don, we are right along the border with lebanon. you can actually see it on that hill just behind me in

the past few hours have been calm here, despite the fact that the airspace is still closed, and those airstrikes in southern lebanon now israeli military, saying it was striking, specifically palestinian militant locations. they are seemingly taking pains not to say that they are targeting the hezbollah militant group, which would of course, potentially open this up. to a much bigger conflict. lebanese security sources telling cnn that these strikes hit what they called militia targets and weapons hit by armed groups and agricultural areas. there have been no injuries reported in southern lebanon and the lebanese government and the israeli military are making sounds and saying things that they essentially do not want this to escalate, especially up here into something bigger. now most of the action has been down south in gaza, the israeli military launching several airstrikes. overnight they say, targeting hamas things like tunnels. they say weapons manufacturing sites, machine gun sites and the like, and at least 44 rockets were fired by militants from gaza into israel overnight as well. but once

again, thankfully, no injuries have been reported on either side, although there have been damages reported on either side, including to a children's hospital in gaza, but again thankfully, no one seems to have been hurt. israelis in the area of gaza have been told that they can go about their daily business. they don't have to stay close to shelters. that gives you an indication things are calm, but the israeli military telling me that they have called up extra air force reservist, specifically fighter pilots and air defense specialist, but there has been injuries and violence, in fact, to israeli women were killed a third actually their mother critically injured in the occupied west bank in what officials are calling a palestinian shooting attack. it just goes to show you how many fronts there are currently right now going on all the same time. of course, our eyes are still on jerusalem where they're actually demonstrations going on at the al aqsa mosque compound in response to what is going on all around here, don and we will continue to follow. thank you, hadassah. and back here in the us protesters filled the state

capital in tennessee yesterday as republicans who control the house voted to expel two young black democrats from the statehouse. the lawmakers who had an idea of what their fate was going to be defiant, raising their fists as they walked in for those votes. it's all came one week after day, and another member staged a protest on the house floor, including with a bullhorn demanding gun reform. after 39 year old students and three adults were killed and covenant elementary school in nashville, a school that is just miles away from the state capital. crowd of protesters booing and shouting from the balcony above, as the republicans voted to expel these two democrats. following that, the two lawmakers vowed to keep protesting whether that's inside or outside the room. they thought they won today, but they

don't realize they're started. started a movement they can't stop. expelled. the two youngest black lawmakers standing with our constituents who are demanding that we take action on the crisis of mass shootings. this has gotten the attention of the white house president biden himself weighing in in a statement, saying that the expulsion of the lawmakers who engaged in peaceful protest is shocking, undemocratic and without precedent, notably, of course, and this is a big part of all of this. a third democrat who is a white woman who was also up for expulsion for protesting with them survived her expulsion vote narrowly just by one vote. afterwards, she cried and embraced the two other democrats. this all comes as a top tennessee republican last night, defended the decision to kick the lawmakers out of the legislature legislature for breaking the rules and disrupting decorum. i brought

our caucus together several times since last thursday to ask the body what we as a group wanted to do the overwhelming majority. the heartbeat of this caucus says not on this house floor. not this way we're going to talk about get the reaction from that and more joining us now one of the two state representatives who was expelled last night, and that is justin jones. justin. good morning to you. i really appreciate you. you joining us? i know you haven't had any sleep. and i have to commend you right off on the way that you have conducted yourself. you and your colleagues. it has been notable and so thank you for joining us. this is captured the intention of the country. your message to the nation after having been expelled. how are you feeling? sorry. thank you so much for having me this morning down, so i'm operating on very little sleep. no need to apologize at all happen. what what happened yesterday was it was a very sad day for democracy, not just in tennessee, but in this nation. and so, um, i think that there's

a lot of thoughts going through my head. the house republicans chairman who you just saw in this video is still doubling down, even though he is the same republican chairman who who engaged in inappropriate behavior and it's still in leadership. as you can see, it was not expelled. but you know we have been expelled for standing with our constituents, but i have no regrets will continue to speak up for district 52 for tennessee ins demanding change. let's talk a little bit more. or about your colleague you're talking about jeremy facing. he's a republican caucus chair in the state house. last night. he did an interview with my colleague katelyn polantz, and he said he was wondering why you haven't apologized. it's listen and then we'll get your response. i'd like to add to your they've they've not backed down from that either. here. i told them earlier that i feel like if they would have said, you know what? we messed up. i mean, what american? what? human won't bring forgiveness and redemption , but they doubled down into

which so far is sustained in the world today and said i'd do it again. i mean, you haven't apologized. but what? what is your response to that? i mean, i think representative phase on needs to reflect on his own actions as a representative, just, you know, earlier this year last year represented phase and pull down the pants of referee because he got mad at a basketball game, and he's still in republican leadership, not expelled, not sanctioned in any way and so for him to tell us to apologize for standing up our constituents. i told the speaker i'm told that body yesterday that i would apologize when they apologize that families in covenant in in in the mass shootings across this nation, particularly but particularly in our state at covenant and antioch in the waffle house, mass shooting for these reckless gun laws that they passed that allowed people to lose their loved ones apologize to the families of the victims of these mass shootings, and we will apologize for our for our actions. i think i know the answer to this. but i have to ask you anyway, just for the record so you could be reelected. do you want to serve

again? justin? i mean, definitely. i think what happened was a travesty of democracy because it they expelled the two youngest black lawmakers, which is no coincidence from the tennessee legislature because we are outspoken because we fight for our district will, you know, want to continue to do that and whether i'm inside the chamber outside the chamber because what we saw in tennessee yesterday was was an attack on democracy and very overt racism, as you can see that the two youngest black lawmakers were kicked out but are calling my dear sister gloria johnson, white woman was not and we see clearly nation has seen clearly what is going on in tennessee. listen to say there's a double standard. some people may sort of speculate about it, but i think it is obvious considering that the two black members who were men, right? we're expelled, but the white woman was not. what do you want to say to that? speak more, please. i want to say that this is what we've been challenging all session was a very toxic races, work environment where we're not even allowed to speak. that's why we went to the well

because the speaker when it calling us he cut off our microphones. he rolled out of order. anytime we brought up the issue of gun violence. when i went outside to support the protesters, he turned off my voting machine, so i couldn't even cast a vote on the house floor. i mean, this is what we've dealt with all session and yesterday the nation was able to see that we don't have democracy in tennessee, particularly when it comes to black and brown communities. and so you know what we saw. yesterday was an attack on this future of a multiracial democracy. but we are the state where the birthplace of the you know of the clan where a state where we had a kkk statue in our capital until very recently and we protested to have that removed. but what they're trying to do is to bring us back today is that we don't want to go to if i didn't know this happened to me. i would think that this was 1963 instead of 2023. if the nashville city council next week wants to appoint you as an interim representative district, you would do it. most definitely. let's talk about the issue. but let me ask you. why why? considering all everything

that has happened right now, why even go through all the rigmarole? because it's important to let them know that democracy we will fight for democracy will fight for a multiracial democracy. and so this this extreme tactic to expel us into trying to humiliate us has only put a spotlight of the world on tennessee, and so i will go back because fighting for the future i'm 27 years old fighting for the future that i want to live in that i want my children to live in. it's worth whatever sacrifices that we have to give whether it's being expelled. whether it's being in a hostile environment because i want to create a community that our young people cannot just survive. five but they can thrive and flourish and that's what we were asking. the most very basic thing was to ban assault weapons so we can stop these mass shootings. instead they responded by assaulting democracy, and that is shameful. and it's very scary. do you think you can work with them? and there's so much opposition there? i mean, we are the voice

of the opposition party. our role there's in the r party. there was only 24 members. now there's 22 75 republicans. our role was to be a speed bump to try and stop them from driving this train off the cliff so that we no longer have democracy. i mean, our job was to be a voice of moral dissent. our job was to be a voice of check on power. that was what we did, and that's what we did. every day. we were in the body, which is why they expelled us because in every committee i was on, i stood up and spoke out and on the house floor, where some of the most outspoken member mers, and they retaliated not because of that one incident of us going to the wealth and joining those young people protesting gun violence, but because they got tired and did not feel like young black men have a right to be at the same diets as them. they felt like young black men don't have the right to sit in the chamber with them. they don't see us as equal. the house speaker cameron's sex and has trafficked in the reading of racism. he's traffic in the rhetoric of racialized narratives, and so we know what we're facing, but but it's worth whatever sacrifice we have to make, because the future we want to live in is what we're working for one last thing in an

odd way. this has given you a very big, much bigger platform. right. the white house is weighing in the current and the former white house current and former presidents both weighing in on this how do you tend to use that? newly garnered platform elevated platform that you have. i mean, what? what our protest was about when we went to the well to stand with these young people is to elevate elevate their voices. and so with this platform, we hope to continue to lift up the issues that what that a week after mass shooting representative representative part of nashville and our communities still grieve our communities in trauma. these young people are begging us to say we want to live in schools. we must continue to lift up the issues and, like i told my colleagues who expelled me no matter if they vote to expel me or not. what i did was for their children and grandchildren to we want their children and grandchildren to be safe from mass shootings. we want them to live lives where they can flourish and be children and that had to do active shooter jokes or live in schools that look like militarized zones and

so we'll continue to lift up. the issue will continue to speak truth to power and i'll be back at the capital on monday on the outside with those protesting demanding action from my former colleagues. justin jones. we appreciate you joining us regards best to you to best of everything to you and your colleagues. thank you so much. thank you. quite didn't black, young black men don't deserve the same have the same platform as m. that was pretty huge conversation conversation. let's keep it going, said herndon is with us from the new york times national political reporter. i said thanks so much. thank you, um i think there is something important that came from this expulsion and it is what the nation if not the world's attention on what's happening in state houses across the country that we often ignore when we pay attention more to dc yeah, really dive into this issue of gerrymandering in your new new york times podcast run up, which is great. thank you about tennessee, though. how do we get to a place? where nashville writ large is not very represented in

that state house. i mean, it is a story that's really core to this is because you know to hear the representative. he says. they're doing this because they don't want black men at the table. i think that's true. they're also doing this because they can't be the republicans in that state legislature have a supermajority that has been meticulously drawn. through the state legislatures, and what we see across the country is when this happens, it is not. it empowers that party to be able to do whatever it wants. and so this nashville nashville, which was really a blue dot in that red state, has been carved up over the last years, and that's really allowed them to write out not only public opinion on issues like guns but also to be able to silence those voices that are coming from nashville and that and that is something that they're doing intentionally. jeff greenfield rights and political, um, about this right? but what if the legislature decides to exit exercises power just because it can, and that's the key point is that they don't have to listen to other voices. this is what gerrymandering does. it's the

real tangible impact of something that can seem really academic and out of touch is that it allows lawmakers really to not be able to have to listen to folks who are coming from the other side or listen to people in urban areas or black and brown voices who are concentrated in democratic cities if those voices are cut out of the process. it allows folks to be able to do something like kick out to representatives who we should say are probably going to come back. this was done just to be a humbling of two young black representatives . this was not done for real political purposes are folks who and i think the representatives right when you talk when you were reading yesterday about folks locally. this is built up for a long time, and this is not just about the actions that happened recently. but but but but the body that can basically say who you are in the type of politics you represent. we can cut it out at any moment. and i think this these actions this week were sent as an intentional reminder of that power. and is it a taste of what's to come and look what? just north carolina.

they just got us a majority there with republicans as well, the other aspect of it that you can't ignore how young they are, in the question of this being a generational thing. you know, we had that republican on last night, and he's talking about they need to apologize, decorum and what that looks like. there is a point that you can't when you just disagree with something, take a bullhorn and go to the well as it's known. there is a point to that. but what we questioned you about is you know why take this route? why take the most extreme route? why not go to the ethics committee or do a century or something like that? how much of this is also generational in the way people who are in their twenties and early thirties view decorum. versus other members. absolutely i think that's really core to it is that there is not that same kind of deference to norms and decorum that you see among younger lawmakers. but i think that's tied back to even that. gerrymandering point because systems are so broken, you hear young lawmakers and younger electorate basically say that they don't care about the rules as much we got going through the process has not yielded them political results and so things that pressure lawmakers have to be used as tactics. and so you know, i

think it really flows out of the same brokenness that we're describing. earlier, but it is key to really understanding how that disconnect really develops because it's somewhat ideological. it's definitely has a race based element. but i think there is also a sense of decorum that this younger generation who is saying i am not waiting for incremental change. i'm going to demand more now is bucking up against gets in the way of progress has gotten in the way of progress. and if you look at the start of the civil rights movie people think, but can you please can you please would like to? i would like to. at some point you just go stop. i'm not going to deal with it. this anymore and you take a bullhorn. and you go to the well, i mean, that's what they did. and quite honestly, that's what they should do when people are dying with issues are so important. that people's lives are in jeopardy. taking a bullhorn to the well. it's not a big it's beyond its stunning to me. taking a bullhorn to the well is what you should do when people that is the least of what

you should be doing when people are dying, because what's the biggest grievance here? is it that decorum was messed up by these lawmakers. is it the response or is it the original act that has cost folks' lives right? like we can move away from the actual tangible issue that was being protested here when we focus on things like the corn, but when you heard you know, post folks, folks like president obama way again talking about civility, talking about the break of decorum and rules or polarization and the divisions in society? i think those words paper over some stuff to this is not a both sides. polarization type thing. this is asymmetric polarization . this is one party that has changed in much different ways. even in the democratic party has changed. so when you hear a republican base, they are much more willing to use their power to really see that's a really cut the other side out of process. they're really more willing to see the other side is inherently invalid in that democratic process, and that is unique to the republican side. that's not 1 to 1 between r and d, a humbling process that that that's the best thing you said.

in my estimation, you said a lot of good things, but that was i think that's what this was. and we'll see what monday looks like when they're back, and i think the other thing that's important, remember, and i think we have their photos is the six what's at the heart of this? the six people who were killed in that covenant school shooting, including those three those 39 year olds, three adults will show you their pictures. here we do we have that moment just of what's at the heart of this, i think is what's so important to what didn't get acted on expulsions did. yeah, lives are worth and there they are. evelyn halle, william. cynthia, catherine and mike. those lives are worth a bullhorn. right? thank you. thank you. thank you so much for coming up for us luxury vacations around the world of free trip on a mega yacht coming up a new report to stunning report that a gop mega donor funded numerous luxury vacations for supreme court justice clarence thomas that went undisclosed. the pepperoni

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to me about it. i've come from regular stock. and i prefer that i prefer being around that. rv parks and walmart parking lots. that is what you just heard from supreme court justice clarence thomas that was him in a recent documentary. will republican donor harlan crow helped fund well. propublica published an explosive report yesterday, saying pro actually treated justice thomas to the opposite his trips, including one with a private jet. indonesia trips, justice thomas didn't properly disclosed correspondent tom foreman with the details. international travel on private jets, luxury accommodations on a super yacht and top shelf hospitality every step of the way. supreme court justice clarence thomas and his wife, jenny enjoyed it all for free, according to an investigation by the nonprofit group propublica. so who footed the bill, texas

real estate tycoon and republican mega donor harlan crow. we found that thomas has been taking luxury trips from this dallas billionaire virtually every year for over 20 years trips to california, texas , georgia, new zealand and just a few years ago, mr crow flew thomas to indonesia on his private jet and then took him island hopping for nine days on his super yacht staff by stewardesses and private chef and we talked to um, we talked to. you know, we're told that if you were to charter that jet and that yacht yourself, it could easily cost over $500,000, the report says. often fellow travelers included big business people and the heads of prominent conservative groups. and it says crow once gave thomas a $19,000 bible that belonged to the legendary abolitionist frederick douglass. thomas declared that gift and

some of the travel in his public financial filings, but the report says not most of it. cnn received no response to the report from the supreme court spokesperson and in a written statement, crow said, this is just friendship. we have never asked about a pending or lower court case, and justice thomas has never discussed one. i am unaware of any of our friends ever lobbying or seeking to influence justice thomas on any case. and i would never invite anyone who i believe had any intention of doing that. still the revelations in this report have critics in congress calling for swift and decisive action to impose serious ethical rules on the highest court in the land and every person who sits on it, katelyn polantz for that those those calls are allowed from congress to do something there's not a lot as joan said was lost. our congress can do separation of powers. the supreme court has like supreme power over what ethics rules that decides to

impose on itself. yeah and congressman alexandria ocasio cortez is saying that he should be impeached over it. obviously that's thomas should. yeah it's not likely, but we will see what lawmakers when they're back on us from court justice. yeah convicted flouting of the norms. but where does that get you? we don't right? yeah remarkable. also this morning, a bipartisan congressional delegation have arrived in taiwan despite those escalating threats from china to lawmakers. this is something you do not see every day from both sides of the aisle who were on that trip. they're going to join us live from taipei. my most important kitchen tool, my brain choose new areva plus, unlike some others, areva plus is a mumultitasker supporting six key indicators of brain health. keep me sharp, areva think bigger. i would like to me it. move it. you're like the we're reinventg our network. come on

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. i'll start with you. what are you hoping to? what kind of message are you hoping to send with this visit? thanks for having us, caitlin. i think this is a strong bipartisan endeavor into the indo pacific. we went to japan, south korea and now taiwan as well as meeting with our service troops in hawaii and guam. and so this has been an extraordinary code l led by chairman mccall of the house foreign affairs committee. and i think we've accomplished a lot in terms of gathering information with respect to our allies here in the indo pacific . their concerns obviously, with the threats coming from china, but also the importance of our relationship between the united states. and our allies both economically militarily and from

a national security perspective , and so i think we have learned a lot for sure, but also had a lot of work to do when we get back to washington, and this is a great bipartisan issue, and i think we've had a great time traveling to the indo pacific together. and congresswoman, you are quite experienced on capitol hill, you know? well you know what kind of moment we're in when it comes to politics on capitol hill during the question. maybe congressman lawler. you can you can tell her just to see this moment of bipartisanship to see a democrat in a republican sitting down together to have this conversation to make this visit and the significance of that, given where we are in politics in 2023. i didn't. i got the end of it. thank you, caitlyn having a little trouble hearing? it is very important as we are in this year of conflict around the globe to show a really united

front. it was important to chairman mccaul that we have a bipartisan code l and we had the chance. as mike said to first start. in hawaii and meet with our troops there to meet with the indo pacific command and to understand really, the gravity of all that is going on here militarily. i have to tell you how impressed i am with our military folks. anytime you sit down with him or have lunch with them, they're just dedicated individuals but then to go from there to go to guam and see more members of the military there. to go on to japan and then to south korea gave us a terrific perspective of our rock solid allies in japan and south korea . as we came to taiwan, i really want to say that i'm happy that congress is really united on our support for taiwan, both economically and its economic security and in our trade relationships. as i hope we build this year, a bipartisan

trade agreement but also, of course, militarily for deterrence. we know that the best thing that we. checked piece. this is a people that are peace loving. that's one of the really terrific things about this trip is to meet the people of taiwan understand their prosperity, their hopes for their children and their future . there are peace loving people , and so we support them in their deterrence against any aggression. and speaking of that deterrent, you know there are a lot of weapons shipments that the us has promised to taiwan. they haven't all made it there. a lot of them have not. how important is it? and what are you hearing from officials there about expediting the delivery of those weapons. well that is certainly one of their concerns that they have raised with us during our conversations that we're going to be meeting with president side tomorrow. obviously she had a meeting in california with speaker mccarthy

and another bipartisan delegation of congress. and that is one of the biggest concerns. i think one of the lessons learned from the russian invasion of ukraine. is the need to ensure that our allies and in this situation, taiwan have the support and the resources that they need. we made a commitment to them to provide them with weapons that they have purchased . we need to fulfill that commitment and expedite this process, and i think that's one of the takeaways from our trip that we want to look at ways that we can. from a legislative standpoint, expedite. the process both on the front end and on the production end to make sure that these weapons are getting there soon because at the end of the day, as madeline pointed out, deterrence is the keyword and nobody wants conflict in taiwan or in the taiwan strait. we want to avoid that. but as president reagan always said peace through

strength and we need to ensure that we are strong in the endo pacific region that our allies are strong in japan and south korea, the philippines, australia and taiwan, and we need to make sure that they get the weapons as soon as possible. congresswoman that that is actually one of the issues here that we're very concerned about. i'm very proud of the biden administration and this congress for authorizing the sale of very needed weapons to taiwan for the purpose of deterrence and readiness, because if they are prepared, they will prevail and by prevail, i hope it is prevailed in simply maintaining peace and prosperity for this beautiful island. and these beautiful people. yeah, it's such a critically important trip that you're on, and we've we see that here we see how china is responding to it. issuing its own warnings, congressman lawler before i let you go. i do want to ask you something that's happening here in the us, which is this extraordinary headlines that are coming out of

tennessee. the expulsion of these two democratic lawmakers from the statehouse there you're a republican who is obviously in washington. but do you think that they went too far by expelling these two democrats for what they did on the on the state floor in tennessee? well, respectfully, caitlin, i have not had the opportunity to really know what's going on in tennessee were about 12 hours ahead, and we've been in back to back meetings all day. so i think it would be inappropriate for me to comment on it. frankly if i could just say something today we were with the legislature here in taiwan. it was really an honor to be able to witness part of the session, and it was a not not just a bipartisan group of lawmakers. it's a quadra partisan group of lawmakers. and so any time we can do what we can do to lift democracy, that's really our mission here, and it is important at home just as it is here, so i think what china sea

needs to pay attention to is. what are the right moves for democracy for the freedom of speech? the freedom of representation and for democracy , just like we are lifting up here, and that is the truth. we need a robust exchange of ideas . that is what democracy is about. we're seeing it here on the island of taiwan. they're going to be having their elections next january, and we had a opportunity to meet today with members from all parties and have a discussion and so you know, i think all of us us collectively as elected representatives. we have an obligation to hold and uplift democracy. you need to have a robust exchange of ideas and all of us have a responsibility in that for sure, democratic congresswoman madeline dean of pennsylvania republican congressman mike waller of new york, a rare moment of bipartisanship, we do love to

see that and thank you both for taking the time to join us from your very important trip to taipei. thank you. thank you, caitlin. you always love what we can see lawmakers on different sides of the aisle together, considering what we're seeing in tennessee, right? that is a great point. alright coming up for us more of our sit down with jpmorgan ceo jamie diamond, his stark warning to washington on the debt ceiling and what worries him most about the rise of artificial intelligence. plus this we support lgbt community aggressively and actively still do that. you talk about desantis? yes. you know what brings people to mexico? the food culture. wow i've e ever bn thisis excited to eat anything. let you. longoria searching for mexico, sundays at nine on cnn. i don't see it clear. i don't

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jamie dimond about what that really means when we sat down yesterday in atlanta you think that congress is going to get it together in the next few months and raise it at ceiling? that's what i'm talking about. yes. you do? the only question is how close they get to it before they do it because you'll feel the pain before it happened. how much pain even if we don't default if we get to the brink i think it's a bad idea. and you know, with the government that can be downgraded again. this economy is the pillar of the world economy. this economy is the pillar of taking care of americans making sure military strong in making sure that people want to be part of our our alliances. do you want to be part of the american group that tries to keep the world safe for democracy? yes, that's important. so the closer we get to that. the more we get going to damage all of that, and then you'll see in the markets that will that will scare people. washington's listening the position of the by and white house now is it will not

negotiate with republicans and republicans, many of them kevin mccarthy, don't want to pass it clean. they want concessions. so should the biden white house negotiate? i think one of the great lessons that last 20 years is that if you can't pass things with bipartisan support, you shouldn't pass it. i mean, yes, everyone should negotiate and do the right thing for the country and i don't want to get involved in the debate about the republicans who want to reduce the deficit. i kind of agree with that the democrats who would like now to get rid of the debt ceiling crisis, but people of torture each other's over and over, rather one day we get rid of torture. but in the meantime yes, i'd like to be resolved when i go to washington. all the all the most people there know how serious this is. and they want to get it to resolution even heard kevin mccarthy talked about that mitch mcconnell. you know, president biden in his own way you have called out the vitamin ist rations for not playing more of a leadership role in energy, especially you said, look, america should have been pumping more oil and gas should have been supported. this administration did just approve more drilling in alaska. good

start. it's a good start, but it's just a story. i mean, there's a long term strategy to me that oil and gas and the american public should know this. it's not secure, and if it's not secure and affordable, it's bad for the climate. all that happened because we weren't pumping more is that more coal was used not just in india, philippines, china and indonesia. but germany and netherlands and france turned mike on the coal plants. safe and affordable is critical. the transition by the way, the best the easiest way to do so, too, is reduced coal with gas so therefore you need pipelines. but we're not, you know. look at us. we're not approving pipeline permits, but norway approving solar wind grid like we're really stuck in our own underwear in this one underwear . we have to do a better job. can i ask you about a few states ? you guys have more employees now in texas and in new york, and you said it shouldn't have been that way. why is it that way? texas is completely

welcoming. so if you look at it in multiple ways low income taxes, low corporate taxes and easy to get space they want you got, you know the mayor's call, and they have great universities they now have. you know, if you look at dallas, they now have great arts and science. this has become a competitive world. eat when i started working, that wasn't true. now is cities around the world are pretty competitive. every city should say. what's the competition? and they should be thoughtful about that. you have the highest individual taxes. the highest corporate tax is the highest estate taxes. anti business you can't look at, you know in new york didn't allow amazon to build a great headquarters. there was that context of that, but i understand that, but just but why would you try to build a new york then you're building a huge huge impact cars right in the middle of new york building the world's ever seen you love florida. in fact, a few weeks ago, you said you were very pro florida they're growing. they're does governor desantis punishing disney for taking a public stand

on social and diversity issues give you pause. not directly. no really because yes, this week, bob iger said. that's anti business and anti florida and he said it's punishing a company for exercising a constitutional right. i'm not going to get involved in all this social and stuff like that. we support lgbt community aggressively and actively still do that. you talk about desantis? yes. i want to ask you about something that is in the news that morgan is in the news about a former client of yours, and that is jeffrey epstein. morgan's being sued now by the u. s virgin islands. they're alleging that your bank help facilitate payments. epstein's victims and benefited from human trafficking while ignoring warnings do those allegations have married? i cannot talk about current litigation except to say that whenever these things come up what we have some of the best lawyers in the world complies out of the doj out of sec enforcement divisions who review all of these things and make decisions at the time based on

what they know as best as they know. you're going to be deposed . we've learned now in this case in the spring. in retrospect, jamie, do you think jpmorgan should have acted more quickly after epstein pleaded guilty to one of these charges in 2008, because he was your client for five more years. hindsight is a fabulous gift. we're going to end on artificial intelligence. you find it fascinating in your words staggering the tip of the iceberg. you guys are using chat , gpt. what's this going to do to our economy? that would be okay. every technology has ever been adopted, which is good for the economy. and your i tell people you go back to 1940 million people worked on farms. you know, technology is now one million people. are we worse off ? no 39 million people now doing other things. so the internet electric power computers all made us better off our gdp per person $70,000. yes this is what if we get replaced, but you won't be. it'll just change how you work and add things. but if

it did, okay, but if it did, then society can step in and make sure it's done in a way that people would have jobs and good paying jobs. but we get the benefit from it. the other thing i should put about a i. there is a downside. bad guys are going to use it to people like us. we use it for all these things. we also have to, you know, think of risk and fraud and marketing and errors helping clients. we also have to use it to combat combat. bad bad guys in the cyber world , the fake id world and things like that. so i think it would be a plus, but it's just do it thought exercise two million truckers that they're gonna lose their jobs to market of, you know a i driving, you know, and they're gonna go from $75,000 a year to next job at 25 that would destroy families. i wouldn't do that. i would phase it in over time. have retraining . even if you could doesn't mean you should even if you could does not mean you should. that's where societies to step in and governments to step in and make sure that this helps, you know kind of everybody and then get hurt the low end. do something about it analyzed. think about

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