is just waiting that you know, donald trump's gonna magically get out of the race and we were doing that in 2016 as well. um i think it's quite possible. i mean, anthony knows the family and kind of that dynamics better than i do, but certainly it's not going to be from other, you know, candidates taking on donald trump because you just can't do it. you can't do it and survive in this party, and it's really kind of a bad a bad rap on the party. unfortunately adam kinzinger, anthony scaramucci, i appreciate you being on. so we got pressed for time given all the breaking news, but thank you so much. npr news continues. cnn tonight starts right now. good evening, everyone. i'm alison camerata. welcome to cnn tonight . vice president kamala harris went to nashville tonight to meet with the two democratic lawmakers who were expelled from the state legislature for speaking out of turn. they say they were simply protesting gun

violence. the expulsion has thrust these two young black lawmakers into the national spotlight. president biden inviting them to the white house. but what happens next for them? well, in a moment, we're going to hear how they could be right back in their old seats as early as monday. and after jeremy renner talking about his recovery after that, seven tons , snowplow nearly crushed him to death. his doctor will be here to explain how renner was able to survive. you remember the pain? all of it? yeah, i was awake through every moment. it's exactly like you imagined it would feel like if you it's hard to imagine what that feels like . but when you look at the machine and you look at and i was on asphalt and ice, i wish i was on snow. and l s u basketball star angel reese now says she will go to the white house with her teammates. the n c double a women's basketball champions. bob costas is here. on our panel to talk about all of this tonight. let's begin

with the developments in nashville, including the vice president's visit, national city council member russ bradford joins me now, councilman thank you so much for being here. so let's start there. what did the vice president have to say to these lawmakers? well thank you. first of all for having me on tonight. it's a pleasure to get to speak about this important issue going on here in nashville shed some light on what's going on. you know, vice president harris came here and she really brought the house down. she pointed out that what we're having. what we're seeing here in tennessee is not a democracy. democracy isn't when you cut off somebody's microphone because you don't like what they're saying that you're not shutting down dissent, but you're actually a part of democracy is actually accepting the descent. as everything because that's what democracy is, is listening to all the voices. so, councilman what's going to happen next? because i've been very intrigued to hear about this rather arcane process where you all are going to vote. i

think on monday and who are you going to vote for to serve as an interim chair for this state? rep. justin jones. well, that's correct. we have a special called session this monday at 4 30. pm um, where we will take up this matter. and as i've told everybody in the state house and are my constituents i will be voting to send justin jones back to the state house because that's who the people of house district 52 elected this last november. and so it's very important that unlike my state legislature, i will listen to the voice of my constituents and i will do what needs to be done to support democracy in this state. will your colleagues also be voting to send justin jones back to the state house? i hope they do, and i believe most of my colleagues do plan on sending justin john's back. so can you just explain the what this exercise was that we just went through. he was expelled on thursday on monday. you're going

to vote to send him back. he'll be seated likely again next week . and so what? what what was the point that this all served? it was served as a distraction. you know, two weeks ago, we had a horrible tragedy here in nashville work. six individuals , including 39 year old children were gunned down senselessly mainly because our state has very lax gun laws. and instead of our state legislature, taking the time to fix that, and to push solid, common sense gun legislation they decided to create this circus. and, yes, justin jones will be back in the house and under the house rules , he cannot be expelled for the same reason. so really, their attempt at distraction is only gonna blow up in their face because now they can't get rid of him. and what about the fate of state? rep. justin pearson i can't really speak on that since i'm not in shelby county, but i really hope the shelby county

commission won't send him back and not cave to state pressure. and what about your what about the republicans? who said that? you know this was about decorum that you can't, um, interrupt the people's business that they were speaking out of turn. they were using a bullhorn. they said that it was too chaotic in the statehouse. well these are the same legislators who thought that january 6th with just a peaceful tourist incident. and some of these legislators they have backgrounds themselves. they've urinated on each other's seats. they there's even a republican. rep. david bird, he was admitted on camera to molesting girls that was on his high school basketball team when he was a coach there, but he's still allowed to serve. uh huh. and when you say that urinate on each other's chairs, do you can you put any finer point on that? what you mean by that? that's exactly how it sounded. there was a vote, and so one of the republicans did not vote with

the rest of the party and one of their colleagues just decided to be immature and urinate on their chair on the house floor. and that person was not expelled. no he was actually promoted to a position within the governor's administration. and so in terms of what's next for these two lawmakers who were expelled. do you think that this has backfired in the fact that now you know, i don't know that they're they're household names , but they're certainly more well known than they were a week ago. it definitely has backfired as to your point up until this moment, most anybody outside of nashville, tennessee, didn't really know what was going on here in this state. the last 12 plus years of one party rule where they've been able to do whatever they want, without any pushback, and by doing this, they have given representative jones and johnson and pearson. a worldwide stage in which the shine a light on the crop government that rules the state. councilman russ bradford. thank

you very much for your time. great to get your perspective. thank you appreciate it. okay let's bring in my panel. we have cnn political analyst natasha alfred with us republican strategist evan siegfried, cnn contributor and veteran broadcaster bob costas and motion when you knew founder of mo news, bob great to have you here, alison. this seemed like a good use of taxpayer money. no is there any possible answer to this sort of combination of its toxic, but it's also buffoonery. and that typifies too much of the republican party here. we have a republican strategist, but i see him nodding. you know , it's you people think at least many people think, depending on where you get your news that anything to the left of maga is somehow the most extreme leftist position. it's sensible republicans and conservatives who understand what once were the principles of the party that should be most alarmed by this sort of thing where we're

focusing on what happened in tennessee, but it typifies a lot of what happens in the republican party, which is descended into madness and people who are auditioning for the next appearance on fox news and owning the libs is their highest aspiration. but you could run down a list of republicans of the recent past who, whether you voted for them or not, we're worthy of your respect. there aren't as many people left in the republican party anymore. who can be described that way? sadly mr republican strategist what do you think this was all madness? well first of all, bob, i don't want to own the libs. i want to explore leasing them. but you know, it's not just buffoonery. it's strategically stupid. take out all of what happened. what did the republicans do? it's an own goal. you just put three tennessee state legislators into national, if not worldwide prominence, and now they have massive platforms. and what does the republican party not only in

tennessee come off looking like but nationally? a couple of days after a horrible school shooting. in nashville. they come off their priority is to get revenge for people who are protesting. yes it was against the legislature's rules. but does the infraction warrant? the punishment? absolutely not center them. you move on and you actually try and get the people's business actually appear to be more outraged by the protest than by what the protest was about. yes i mean, they didn't take any action yet on gun violence, but they are against this, by the way to your point. justin pearson is a star in the making, with all due respect to the other two this guy has star quality. right national figure. absolutely i mean, eloquent, inspiring and also reminding us of the connection to the civil rights movement. you feel in the oratory that this was reminiscent of the civil rights movement, and so for any american who's at home feeling apathetic or disconnected. this made it very real and tangible.

all those millennials like me who were scrolling on our phone, and you see the visual of the two black lawmakers expelled and the one white democratic lawmaker, you know, punished, but not too the same extent, it sends a message that if you speak up, and if you don't fall in line and do things the way that we expect you to do them, we will punish you and allies will be punished, too. but again, the harshest rules are for those who are black. and that's a terrible message to send right now. here's what most here's what one of the tennessee state reps rush break in who voted to expel the two black lawmakers had to say he says the three representatives violated our house rules they developed and in accordance that we're developing in accordance with our state constitution. they disrupted our legislative process. they brought the house to a stop unable to do the people's business of legislation for almost an hour. the business . we all were elected to do. they knew what they were doing. they wanted to incite chaos and get their notoriety. the two works spelled or professed

political activists. i also assure you there was no racial bias in my thinking, and i believe of in my colleague's actions. it was notable, so i was actually looking into this today. the seven reps who, uh, basically defied the party right . there was one republican who voted against who decided, like i'm not involved any of this. and then you have the seven who of whom five voted to kick out pearson and jones and not johnson and then to, incidentally, who voted to kick out jones. but not johnson, or pearson was trying to go through their statements. only half of them have put out statements, including the one that you just mentioned. um and you know they're saying, you know, johnson was different. johnson didn't actually hold the bullhorn. i mean, the fact in the statement is saying, you know, it was an hour. that was a really tough our our need to be expelled. she didn't hold a bullhorn, so she deserves to stay. um because they've spent every waking hour working on the most pressing business that the public is concerned with, especially gun reform. it's worth noting, though, that

gloria johnson escaped expulsion by only one vote, right. i mean, we're ultimately talking about the difference of a handful of votes here with seven people sort of made the difference, but but the bottom line is this. it's a supermajority in the in tennessee house, right? there's 99 seats 75 republicans. so if you look at 2020 numbers, tennessee voted for trump 60 40, but their statehouses 75 24, then if you look at their u s house reps they have 98 of them are republicans 89% of the u. s. house of reps of tennessee are which speaks to the gerrymandering issue. i mean, this is lit up and reminded folks of some larger issues in the system here, and i didn't matter. right so again, there's going to be people who are dusting off their state constitutions as well to try to understand how do i get involved in local politics? and how are things done at the local political level? because if you're saying decorum matters and all of this happens, i need to understand. i need to pay attention at that level. i did find one thing. very smart. earlier today, jake tapper interviewed a republican lawmaker who voted to expel representatives don't and

pearson and he said that representative jones was actually whipping republican votes to expel him because he wanted the notoriety. it's very smart, strategic context for that, because i heard that too, and he said, you know, he i didn't know if he dared him to expel him. in other words, i don't know if representative jones was saying, go ahead, expel me in some sort of angry. i would like you to vote to expel they have adjacent offices, and he said jones was in his the office and the only reason he voted to kick out jones and the other two is like jones says, this is going to make me famous. so there's some complexity here. i mean, clearly foresight, right? jones knows that he's doesn't make him famous. everyone stay with me. if you would we have to talk about this other state shockwaves across north carolina after democratic state rep switches to the gop, giving republicans there a veto proof supermajority up next, we're going to talk to the woman who faced off against tricia cop. um, this this democrat who turned to a republican in the democratic primary. she's going to speak out. compared with

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unrecognizable. let's bring in yolanda homes she was coffins opponent in the democratic primary. yolanda thanks so much. for being here. did were there any signs to you? the tricia gotham was planning something like this. or did this come as a complete shock? thank you for having me and there were no signs that i recognized and this was a complete shock to myself as it is to others who are sharing their emotions and feelings currently, um, as you shared earlier, she says she did it because she was criticized for using the american flag and the praying hands emoji on her social media platforms and on her bumper stickers on her cars , and she was deeply offended. i've never heard of that. and i that's just, you know, news to me. i've never heard of any of the, um the you know, accusations and things that she's sharing. this is my first time even hearing of that, even throughout our candidacy are while we were running. i've never heard any of those, um

remarks not to say that whatever she's saying is true or not true . i myself have personally not hurt any of those comments or remarks. do you think it's possible that republicans wooed her with certain perks? and i ask this because we had heard from some local officials there that she's now gotten a bigger office and a committee chairmanship as a result of this switch. well i guess based on what we see, we can definitely make some influences or, um, ascertain, just based on the facts that that probably is exactly what transpired or happened. you're not only you were not only her primary opponent. you are a constituent in her district. and so. so what are people saying? i mean, what are her other constituents saying about their feelings tonight? well a lot of the constituents um are are just really expressing their heartfelt emotions. they're hurt , they're at a level of disappointment in regards to

what has transpired and that continues today whether they are speaking face to face with me or if they are taking to social media to express their deepest concerns in regards to the platform and the initiatives. she shared, she would continue and ensure what happen if she's elected in the house district, 1 12, and so, um, there is a lot of hurt. there's still a lot that is going on, and we're hoping and i'm hoping and praying that we can be able to pick up the pieces and draw on this with strength and solidarity and continue to move forward because we're going to be house district 1 12 reloading. and what is your hope ? i mean, do you? do you want her to resign? is there any way to recall her? what's your plan? you know, i just want to share that, just as dr maya angelou stated, um, just do right. it may not be expedient and or profitable, but it will satisfy your soul. and so if you take that position and do right by

the constituents in the community and absolutely the state of north carolina, the democrats who had and you know, entrusted you with the values and the morals. to ensure that you do just what you said you were going to do when you, uh, took this seat. and um, what is 60% of the democratic district that you were going to do do that? and um if you're not going to do that, with all diligence, please, with any honor, step aside and allow us to continue to represent the constituents that so dearly need to ensure that their concerns are heard and that their voices are heard and let us be the voice for the constituents. holmes thank you very much for sharing that perspective tonight. alright well, what should the voters do about all of this? our panel is back with us. evan do you think that voters in that district have a right to feel hoodwinked? they have a right to feel. however they want to. they can feel hoodwinked. but that doesn't matter when you go and

you vote for a candidate, republican or democrat. you're putting your trust that they are going to go to whatever office you elect them to serve you the constituents as best to their ability. and in this deal where , because clearly it was not based on emojis that caused her to switch if she were able to get some sort of deal, which helped her constituents then she should be judged on that. and the voters have a right to judge her and fire her and next election didn't help her constituents. we don't know at this point. it's too early to tell. we still have time in our term. it's very early in the term and also democracy is messy . politics is messy. you don't elect people to be just a rubber stamp of you have to do this. that and that, so there's still time for her to be judged by your constituents. and if they end up liking what she did in the long run, they re elect her. if not, she's gonna be thrown out. shouldn't we expect her though based on what her past positions were as a democrat? to be more or less a purple rather than red or blue public servant

. shouldn't we expect her not to fall right in line with everything that the republicans are doing and to be an independent voice? constituents absolutely should expect and demanded of her. but if she goes and she goes and is very red, or even goes maga, her constituents should have every right to fire her in two years. i mean, a year and a half to wait it out. what's heartbreaking is that this is happening at a time when people already questioning democracy, questioning whether their votes matter questioning our institutions. and so even if she goes in, and she does, she acts more as a purple voice. republicans still have this veto proof majority right now, and it has changed the dynamics in terms of what the governor is able to do. but i think that there is an integrity issue. i like that. yolanda appealed to morality, integrity, these things that you know, used to matter that seemed to matter less than the age of power over everything. and you know for at a time when marginalized communities are feeling the pain she was supposed to be

representing, and an advocate for lgbtq people she was supposed to be, you know, standing up for women and reproductive rights. um it's painful. i think to those voters they're asking for donations back there calling for her to resign. i think they have to keep applying that pressure to let her know that this is not okay. i mean, i think i think our constituents totally have a right to be upset about this at the same time. she hasn't voted anything yet. so it'll be interesting to see what happens. i mean, what's remarkable abortion is set to come up as an issue. north carolina right with this veto proof majority, they can. i think the last i read is they're gonna take it from 20 weeks to 12 weeks. she had an abortion, which he spoke about on the floor. she's talked about how republicans shouldn't play doctor. so she was asked about this in a few interviews in the past day or so, and she's like i'm going to vote my conscience. she wouldn't indicate if she's changed her opinion on that. so i think a lot you know, a lot will be predicated on how did she vote? does she still vote on lgbt? apparently her website as of today was still critical of republicans like she didn't

refresh your website in time for the party switch. really interesting. i mean, untested and interesting, but if she you're right, she had been vocal about abortion rights. and so if she wasn't as vocal today, that's curious. yes but she's still undermining the democratic party. right this this narrative that we're hearing that democrats are just so intolerant and that we can't even you know , we're such snowflakes. we can't handle emojis like that's just not reality, right? we know that this was more than about the emoji, but she is feeding into that frenzy, which i think again undermines the party's efforts undermines what they stand for their was one democrat state. rep cecil brockman, who was quoted in the charlotte observer. who said, you know, he said, i understand why she did what she did because the party hasn't been treating her fairly. i mean, it seems like there's been some personal animus has been left out of certain meetings and what one quote struck me, he said. democrats would rather be right than when elections and we've seen politicians switch all the time. jim jeffords in the early two thousand's not all the time. no, it's happened historically, one jeffords inspectors, jim justice

was the most recent high profile when he switched from democrat to republican in west virginia. people do this for political reasons. take those personal slights and value them over the interests of the people who voted for you and the issues right now that are life and death for women, particularly reproductive rights is pathetic . okay friends. we have to leave it there for a second because we have to get to actor jeremy renner. he's speaking out for the first time since being crushed by a snowplow his harrowing account next that's where i screamed by the way when i went under the thing, not today. what i screamed sorry for the language. sunday night. we're trtrying something a litte different onene whole story. what's startling is the sheer number of migrants on this track . our world's best journalists dig deeper is san francisco have failed city into the stories. they can't ignore the godzilla get mad and go kill that thing. go in depth every sunday night.

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if you it's hard to imagine what that feels like. but when you look at the machine and you look at it, and i was on asphalt and ice, i wish i was on snow. joining me now is dr christopher vincent, chiropractic sports physician who has been working with jeremy renner. doctor. thanks so much for being here. it's so helpful to have you who is actually working with jeremy to tell us how did he survive this accident? it was a seven ton snow. how snowplow how can we see him there talking to diane sawyer, you know, functioning. right it's incredible and purely a miracle that he survived. first of all, you know, and being out there and sort of so far away from help. so you know, being in the snow and crashed for 30 minutes with his lungs collapsed and not able to breathe is a miracle in itself and just shows his sort of grit and determination. first of all, to live through. accident that that magnitude. let me just put up his injuries

from this accident. eight ribs broken in 14 places his right knee broken his right ankle broken his left tibia broken his left ankle broken his right clavicle, broken his right shoulder broken his eye socket. broken. his lungs, as you say collapsed. i mean, what? um when you were missing from the list that right and several more yeah , he's got toes broken. he's got wrist, broken shoulders quite a bit more than that. but the fact that he's up and using a walker what? what accounts for that, in other words, was his spine spared. yes so the first the first miracle was that he actually survived the accident. and then the second miracle is you know when you look at all the injuries there really perfectly placed preserving a lot of the joint spaces, but, you know, preserving his liver

was a little lacerated by his 12th lib rib, puncturing the liver. his lungs collapsed, but other than that no other vital organs were damaged. his spinal cord was preserved and his brain i mean the cat ran all the way over his face and skull and would have crushed his brain, but he's neurologically intact. and strong, healthy. it really is a miracle. let's listen to him describe his injuries. here he is. this whole side. my body don't really feel it's a sensitivity to touch, but it'll grow. it's i can feel the change already in two months. shame on my face like i can feel. hardly any of my teeth on the upper part because that's where they went inside my face to put in a two plates because orbital crack because i was kind of really not . i don't want to. yeah, yeah. doctor we see you. they're working on him as well. and

let's talk about him mentally. what is his will like with all of those injuries? how is he doing? yeah i think you when, when something like that happens that it's sort of life threatening. um you've got to dig deep and find something that really drives you and motivates you and i, you know, i don't really know what it is exactly for jeremy. but he has that inside him that instinct that drive and i see it a lot in professional athletes. you see it in some super super hero, super successful people who have risen to the top of their game. um and it's that same drive that's innate within him. that gives him the drive to overcome this pain, overcome the injuries and really want to heal. a lot of people would go. okay. hey i'm i'm standing or i'm able to walk around with a walker. that's good enough. no more pain. no more of this rehab and therapy seven days a week, but he's a little different. he's pushing through it and really

has the determination to not only heal, but come back stronger and better than he was before, doctor. if you'd stand by, i want to bring in my panel now they may have questions for you, bob. he is different. jeremy renner is built differently than most people. evidently i don't know him, but it's remarkable as you look at him conversing with diane sawyer. uh, his presence is the same. he does. it obviously is going through a lot of physical rehab and whatnot, but he appears to be the same person doctor of i got that right. is that impression? correct yeah, and that's you know, you look at his personality. i mean, he's a fun guy. he's joking. he's dancing around he you know he loves life, and he loves his family. and so you kind of see that within him, which is exactly the same as he was before the accident. just so remarkable motion. i mean i to here to see all of his injuries and you know, as a doctor saying the will to survive is you know is coupled with your physical

recovery. absolutely i'm wondering, i mean, to what extent to what you ascribe his recovery to willpower and how much of it was just pure luck where he happened to fall. i mean, is it a matter of inches that led to his survival here? yeah millimeters. i mean, it really is millimeters. it's so lucky, you know, as unlucky as he is to have such a tragic injury. he is so lucky that the injuries are where they are, um and you know really the worst case scenario, which is what i first went to when i heard about his accident was just imagining him being having spinal cord injury or brain damage. um and so incredibly lucky that the injuries that he had and where the fractures were kind of missed vital organs and missed sort of major nerves and nervous system alison even when they broke go ahead, doctor. go ahead. sorry. i was just gonna say i didn't mean to minimize. he's obviously been traumatized

. i don't mean to minimize the pit. he is recognizably himself in shorter order than you would think after this happened, totally agree by the way he talks about that he talks about why his and he gives us a little bit of a window into why he's able to function. so let me play that for you. it's a shift the narrative of being victimized or making a mistake or anything else. i am refused to be haunted. by that memory that way. this is what i talked to my family about from all their perspectives. but you're horrifying. three. put upon them. bob, this is what's so interesting. he refuses to be haunted. i didn't know that was a choice. you know when we are in accidents when we're traumatized, we often are haunted. but he's making a choice not to be. but he clearly has been traumatized and it's something that he will carry with him for the rest of his

life. i assume in some way it seems like he'll turn it into something productive, but you just don't shrug your shoulders and put this behind you immediately. in fact, natasha he was saying um, you know, i don't want the nice stress shift the narrative of making a mistake in a different part of interview. he does say it was his mistake. he stepped out onto the moving wheel. you know that sort of heavy, graded wheel of the snowplow. he sat down to because he was looking for his nephew, making sure that he wasn't running over his nephew and that he wasn't in dangerous. he was trying to save him. but he says it was my mistake, but he's not going to. he's going to try to absolve himself of any of that sort of guilt. that's an act of love, right? you put your life on the line for someone that you love and you live to survive that you have to forgive yourself because it came from a pure place. and when you survive something like that, i think the question is. why did god spare me if you believe in god, if you don't why am i here? and what is the purpose that i now find in the pain and i believe so many people will be inspired from his story because he's still here to tell it, agreed. evan. dr vincent i have two quick

questions for you first. how long is the rehab prognosis for jeremy renner and then also, what is the average day of rehab like for him? yes so, so he's i mean, he's come a long way incredibly quickly, but we're probably going to have some kind of rehab or some things that he's going to have to do for the rest of his life. i mean, you're always going to wake up a little stiff, a little, a key and things just hurting, but if he stays on his sort of daily regimen he's going to he's going to be able to act and have a totally normal life. um but i would say we're looking at this intensity for a good part of a year before he's really consider just start to relax a little bit. um he's at the point where he's so driven. he's so motivated that we're even having to pull him back a little bit and some days where he's just pushed too hard and fatigued. we're actually you know, having them take the day off and rest, but most days, you know he gets

up in the morning. we have to start joints moving and mobilizing things. and so he's in bed, getting getting everything starting to warm up, starting to move, and then we get him on the table, and we'll do some stretches with him and mobilize and joints a little bit more. we put on these. i mean, i do a lot of bio hacking and things to try and speed up the process and fool the body to think we're working harder than it is so we don't break down too much, but one of the things we use is the bf are cast from be strong and we put them on his arms and his legs. put him on the bike and bikes for 20 minutes really gets a good warm up then we put him in the boost, which is a treadmill, where it's an anti gravity treadmill, and so we can determine if we want to walk him at 10. percent of his body weight 20% of its body weight, and we can control that , and he'll walk as normal as he canceled retraining sort of the motor patterns in his brain. so we actually walks normally again. um and then we'll do some strength training with him. um and then more stretching. we'll

put him in the jacuzzi. walmart will put him in the pool to cool down. um you know, it's sort of trying to keep it fun and interesting, but you know, you kind of go through the great and the grind and the hard work at the same time, dr. vincent, that is so fascinating. great question, evan. thank you for sharing all of that with us. it's really interesting to hear about his recovery and his mindset and we also we thank you for coming on. and we also thank jeremy renner for giving you permission to talk to us tonight because i think so many people are really concerned and interested. thank you for all the information. yeah. thanks for having me. thank you very much. okay moving on to this. l s u star angel reese rethinking her refusal to visit the white house after her team's big win at the n c double a tournament what president biden said to her next. monday history in the making beginning tododay, we're brbringing you the news. disturbing new details. new way lot of questions. still the stories at the center of your day coming in right here central

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i'm not gonna lie to you. i don't accept the apology. you can't go back on certain things that you you say? i mean, you felt like they they should have came because of sportsmanship, right? they can have that spot like we'll go to the obamas. we'll see michelle barack but today, reese had a change of heart. just going back on it. i mean the team. you don't get that experience. ever so being able to go back, and i know my team probably wants to go for sure. and my coaches is supportive of that. so i'm gonna do what's best for the team. and if they would like to go and we decided we're going to go there. we're gonna we're gonna go my panelists back with me now. all right, bob, your thoughts on all of this. well, first of all, there's an overlay whether we want it or not. there's an overlay of race and so it's always tricky territory if it happened to be two white players or two black players. some people would view it differently . what jill biden said was ill advised, but no fair minded person could think that there

was any ill motivation behind it. she sat at the game with billie jean king and with other female athletes who kind of represent the title nine generation and the progress made by women athletes, and in the afterglow of that she tried to say some inclusive thing, but of course, it's silly because only the champions go to the white house. and what iowa's coach said, made more sense if the bidens would like to come to iowa and visit us. we would love to have that happen. but this spotlight belongs to l s u um, with regard to angel reese. she's obviously very bright. she obviously has a strong sense of herself. but sometimes when people have a certain sense of themselves, they can easily take offense and they think they're incapable of giving offense when she said. i don't accept her apology. wow you can't go back on a simple little well intended statement. i don't know that this is unacceptable. completely unacceptable now and forever. luckily she changed her mind

within a couple of days. it wasn't it wasn't a good look all the way around, but because of the racial angle, it's amplified more than it needs to be. people misspeak. people get caught up in the heat of the moment. trash talking is part of basketball more so than other sports. michael jordan trash talk, but so did larry bird. larry bird was one of the great trash talkers ever so i don't have really have a problem with people trash talking and basketball and in fact, um katelyn polantz. did this thing in an earlier game against louisville, but it was more directed at the entire squad were very clearly, angel reese was looking right at katelyn polantz, the best player on iowa's team and giving it this repeatedly, so she was kind of taunting her. now that's not outrageous and basketball, but it is different than what katelyn polantz did. earlier now i'm trying to judge this as we all should on an individual basis. angel reese is not

representative of all black people. katelyn polantz is not representative of all white people. you try to look at them as individuals. i respect them both. and i think that angel reese had to recalibrate what her reaction was. katelyn polantz has played it perfectly as it happens as an individual, not as a white person. she's played it perfectly graciously she's given ls you all the credit? she's given? angel? risala credit. i'm not gonna go there. i wasn't offended angels. great. i have no problem. really should be an angel for all of her. for all of her presence. she's a young woman. alright, so she said something sort of impetuously. right? so now everyone settles down and i was interested that she changed. she had a change of heart that she would go even before president biden called her so. she said that this morning then president biden called her today i'm sure president biden doesn't need any of this controversy. but he, um i'm sure he was like, i'm sorry, joe. what did you just say? um event she it wasn't because he, you know, strongarm her or, you

know, begged her to come or anything. she already had had a change apart. i think the moment when angel said, you know, i'm a team player. really stood out for me because i actually don't think her opinion change right? i obviously am not inside of her head. i can't speak for her. i think she spoke truth. in that moment. she spoke truth. she called out the fact that you know, dr biden was holding these teams to a different standard than we would hold any other championship winning team to try to say that both teams somehow needed to be there. and for angel, you cannot take away the lens of race because she is talking about her entire experience of being accused of basically being a stereotype. remember when she says, you know, all year? i've been told i'm too this. i'm too, that this is so much bigger than sports. this is about you know the fact that young black girls disproportionately get punished. we're in the when they're in school. there's like a culture of holding young black people and girls in particular to a different standard. so i think for angels, she didn't separate it, but she understood that this

opportunity was bigger than her. and so she graciously spoke to a finer point on it, though, i think and i don't no angel reese and only know katelyn polantz for that matter, but i think if she heard some of the things that, she says, and i don't doubt her, these are things that have been said about me. those things were said almost entirely on social media, where any kind of crazy lousy thing is, said members of the press in 2023 are not calling angel reese or any other black player ghetto or characterizing them as thugs. overwhelmingly that with certainty i don't overwhelmingly , can i can i say that? it never happened, of course, believe she got criticized by barstool overwhelming well, bharti appropriate arsenals. barstool is in a place that that i don't consider, uh, respectable. well i have a great deal of simply for angel. because look, you've just won the national championship. this is the pinnacle of your college playing career. you should be riding high and, yes, she read the

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