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i'm jessica dean on capitol hill. and this is cnn. captioning is brought to you, by page publishing. want to publish a book? review your manuscript for free book page publishing can help you through the process . we cut through the confusion of the publishing wke it easy for you call 805 630741. good evening. we begin tonight with breaking news to court rulings, the first potentially life altering for women in this country. a federal judge in texas putting government approval of a drug widely used to terminate pregnancies on hold effective seven days from now. kristen is the name of the drug at first got fda approval more than two decades ago, and until recently the notion of a judge having grounds to reverse approval of it was seen by many legal experts is dubious at best. however abortion opponents steered their case to a judge named matthew kiss merrick of the fifth circuit in texas, and he has ruled as they hoped just after that. we got word of a ruling in a different federal
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court in washington state, affecting only some states on the same drug, so there's a lot to get to cnn supreme court reporter ariana vogue joins us right now on both rulings. so first tell us about the texas ruling and what that means. it's been an unbelievable night, right? both of these rulings opposing and they both have to do with the fbi. da's approval of the medication, abortion drug , and that approval came in 2000. in this first case, what the federal judge said is he blocked the government's approval of this drug. he said he was going to put this on hold for a week to allow it, uh, allow appeals to occur, but basically, he said that the government had not taken into account the risks of the drug. the biden ministrations, as you said, said that this lawsuit brought by opponents of abortion was unprecedented because that drug has been on the books for so long. but here's what the judge who's a trump nominee said . he said that the fda entirely failed to consider an important
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aspect of the problem by omitting any evaluation of the psychological effects of the drugs or in evaluation of the long term medical consequences of the drug. now it's worth noting here, anderson that most medical groups disagree with that, but that's what the judge did in that particular ruling tonight. and what about the washington state ruling? so that's totally different. so this ruling this case was brought by more than a dozen liberal states, and they took the position that the fda is not doing enough to ease access to this drug, so totally opposite from the other case and the federal judge here. who is an obama nominee. he gave them a partial win. he said. look for now, the fda cannot withdraw this drug. so if you're confused , you have a right to be one judge blocking it, although he put it on hold and the other saying that in the states where he has jurisdiction, it has to
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stay on the market. very confusing. so what happens when they're conflicting rulings like this? so one thing we know when you have to district courts who are saying opposite things, you know for sure that there's going to be a quick appeal. so a higher court it. an appeals court or the supreme court can sort this out, and that's what we know it's going to happen. it's going to move quickly with the appeals and it is going to end up back somehow, in some form before the supreme court and keep in mind. it was less than a year ago that the supreme court reversed roe v. wade as things stand right now. the majority of abortions are medication abortions around the vogue. appreciate it. thank you for more on the judge in texas want to go to cnn's rosa flores? so how did the lawsuit end up in front of this particular judge? and who is he? yes so the judge as you mentioned anderson is judge matthew kaczmarek. he was appointed by president trump and before rising to the federal bench. he worked for the
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religious right. you work for religious right law firm on anti abortion advocacy and who are the plaintiffs here at coalition of anti abortion groups. and that's why abortion advocacy groups accused the plaintiffs of judge shopping. they said that and they pointed to a few factors, including not only the background of the judge, but also the fact that these plaintiffs didn't register in amarillo, texas into a few months before this lawsuit was filed, and so that's why there is a lot of pointing the fingers at these plaintiffs by abortion advocacy groups, saying that they were just shopping. plaintiffs fired back saying that that was not indeed the case that they have the right to file a lawsuit where the public is injured. but what's really interesting anderson is that during that hearing, the plaintiffs admitted that the one doctor, the one plaintiff doctor , that was from amarillo, this
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doctor actually did not prescribe mifid kristen, which really raised questions about why they were even filing this lawsuit with this particular judge, but this particular judge is the only one in amarillo, texas, and that's why advocacy groups say at these plaintiffs, judge shopped and went there and i'll leave you with one final thing, um, texas and because of judgment as merrick, texas, has become a bit of a graveyard for some of the biden administration priorities, whether it be immigration or lgbtq rights and abortion advocacy groups say that it's because of this because they can judge that they can take it to this court, and they know exactly what they're going to get the judge say anything. the hearing last month that for shadowed this you know, it was very interesting. this was a four hour hearing last
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month, and this judge appeared skeptical anderson. he appeared skeptical in what was so fascinating was that the plaintiffs were really asking him practically to yank this medication off the shelves. and in the questions that the judge asked the plaintiffs, he seems skeptical. he even asked the plaintiffs can you point to another case in which a judge has done exactly what you're asking me to do? and the plaintiffs couldn't point to another case, and that's why this case is so unprecedented. which brings me to this point. because this is so unprecedented , in essence, what the plaintiffs have asked. the judge to do is to override the scientists to override the fda, which leads me to my final point . how will the f d a. read this and interpret this order? and what will they do now? of course, we know that this order is on pause at the moment for seven days, but if it does go through anderson, i think one of
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the key things is how will the fda interpret this? will they actually follow the law and the statue of the dictates how they're supposed to suspend a drug. or were they yank it altogether because of other circumstances, and how will manufacturers physicians? pharmacies react as well with the automatically yanked them off the shelves or not? we don't know. it's unclear, but i think one thing is really clear this this disorder this decision, even though it's not in effect, yet is really sending ripple effects throughout the country. because of its unprecedented nature. rosa flores appreciate it. thanks joining us now is author medical journalists. g y n physician dr jenn conte, also cnn senior legal analyst and anchor laura coates and ella williams, cnn legal analyst and former former deputy assistant attorney general dr conti appreciate you joining us in the majority of abortions in this country or medical abortions. what is the what's the impact of a ruling like this? on women seeking that procedure. thank you, anderson for having me. that's right. the majority of
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abortions in clinics in the us are medication abortion, which means that this affects so many people. um and even beyond medication, abortion people forget that this medication is used for other aspects of reproductive health care, and it's used often times, you know , for reasons like inducing a second trimester or later loss with a very wanted pregnancy, so the fallout is really a lot wider than people realize. laura how unusual is it to have these two rulings on this issue on the same? basically evening or afternoon? and how does this get resolved? i mean, it's almost like lightning striking. that's how odd and unique this is, but it's also very odd and unique for a judge down in texas to say, listen, although he has a j d, a doctorate, nothing like a doctor's degree, let alone a scientific one, which essentially is what the fda and of course other entities who looked at the fda, including their regimen of how to review this drug, and others have said
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you haven't done enough and i can't trust the science. so i'm going to make sure that my judicial rolling eliminates the access to it at least in about seven days from now, so it's very very saying to think about. it also leads the doctor talked about. to really probably illogical conclusions because other drugs now will be called into question and other judges may have the authority to say, listen, although the fda is the is the entity and the agency we'd like to be able to review for safety and pragmatic concerns. we will now usurp that authority and really, that runs counter to this idea of why we use judges what the legal system is for and what we rely on various agencies administrative and otherwise to actually do. the work. do the actual review and decide on behalf of the people county. there was one thing. i just want to ask you before i get to elliot. the judge in the case was saying that one of the things the fda
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has not taken into account enough is the psychological effect that taking this drug has on women. this drug has been around now for some two decades . is there. proof of that? i mean, is what he said. accurate. no, not at all. and i mean, i think you can tell from my eye rolling. that's a ridiculous claim. we've got over 20 years of collected data with millions of women who use this medication , millions of people who have used it and also lots of really good research. there's a really great powerhouse research coming out of u. c. s f and they call themselves answer where they really look forward actually, at people who were denied abortion care, and that is the population of people they find who actually have the most psychological, psychological damage. elliott this allegation of venue shopping in the texas case. what do you make of it? oh and that's real. anderson look, there are 93 federal districts in the across the united states of america. and typically when a party files you know, there
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might be 10 or 15. or however many judges in the district and you're rolling the dice on which judge will ultimately here and get to decide on a case through a quirk of how courts are apportioned across the country were particularly in this portion of texas. uh this judge was the one judge in the one court that that could have gotten this case. it was a deliberate clearly a deliberate choice on the part of the parties here to seek out this judge, quite possibly the most favorable judge on this issue, given sort of sort of prior history and background there on, so there's no question that not just forum shopping in the sense of well, i'd like to file this in the southern united states reported in the northeastern united states, where i might have a better chance of winning, but specifically seeking out, one particular judge and trying to engineer or an outcome. this wasn't many respects sort of a policy decision in search of a court to help effectuate it. laura that the fda is obviously federal agency. presumably state
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legislatures can't really intervene in this. no, i remember look back to the dobbs decision. remember a lot of this. pandora's box has been opened, obviously, by the overturning of roe v. wade and much of this should have been foreseeable for the nine supreme court justices to anticipate what it would look like when you have a patchwork or confusion with respect to what it looks like in terms of a surgical abortion or a medication abortion, the latter of which of the doctors spoke about far more common. and so the idea of returning it to the states, which is what the supreme court justices said to do list. majority said to do now you've got this conflict of play. but for those who are watching this from an esoteric notion, legally speaking the fact that there are two conflicts now one court saying one thing and another saying another. it generates such confusion that it's a fast track to the supreme court to look at these issues. now, i don't know if there should be legal optimism with respect to the issue about how they feel about abortion, given the most
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recent dobbs decision, but just take a step back anderson the idea that an age agency and over the last not just 20 years over the last 12 years engaged in higher levels of research to focus on this and about 299 other drugs when you have a whole universe of drugs that are available to focus on the research to look at these particular drugs, including this one in particular and then to say that it's a judge who has the power to usurp the authority of that agency. for the justices who care a great deal, which the supreme court has many now about the idea of administrative law. this is antithetical and so looking ahead to what they might conclude on that basis. i think there is room to question the longevity of the texas decision , doctor grantee. i mean, do you have from a medical standpoint? just on the efficacy and the safety of this drug. do you have any concerns about this drug any qualms about this drugs? the judge had also raised questions about the fda saying, you know they hadn't looked at it and
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people women below the age of 18, i think was one of his comments. no not at all and look like the goal of these anti abortion extremists, including this judge has always been to ban complete abortion care. it's not about the safety. this has never been about the safety. this is about finding a way to ban abortion. and here actually is how that looks if you ban medication, abortion or if you ban what people associate is the only form of medication abortion, which is not we'll get back to that. um you essentially have all of these states now that have been surgical abortion , and you've created this chaos where people think that they can't have either medication or surgical abortion. time goes by and essentially, they're trapped , and that's the goal. the goal is to trap them and to create chaos and fear. the second point i wanted to make about the medication is that medication. abortion is still available. so even though this medication is potentially going away, sounds like it's going away, mr preston , which is the other the second medication that we use together is still available, and that is
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promising. and what do you think the immediate impact of this assuming seven days ago by and this is actually removed? chaos i mean, i think chaos fear, i think, you know, even talking to highly educated people who consider themselves in the know and who approach choice. a lot of people are confused right now. they think that this medication going away pregnant means that medication abortion is no longer available. and whereas the most effective and efficient way to do medication, abortion will not be available anymore. we have a regimen in place to do medication, abortion with just music pressed alone, which is that second fication. what's the difference in? why is that? why is that the secondary you? you know? why is that not the one you would first use? so it requires going back a little bit of history. so in 2000 when the u. s approved music mythic kristen, um with the fda, we changed the way we did
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medication abortion, so we started using both kristen and music processed all together, and it made the efficacy of abortion just skyrocket. it went up to like 95% if you use just the medication, music prostitute , you've still got a pretty good chance of having an effective abortion is 85 to 90. but remember, there's a lot of countries all over the world who don't have access to mythic kristen and use that regimen. still um, so where is it may not be as effective. it's still an option. conti appreciate it. laura coates, elliot williams as well, thank you. we'll get reaction from new york democratic congresswoman alexandria koziol cortez next she joins us live. wait have you surrounded your lawn back with scotts turf builder triple action. it gets three jobs done at once. swedes prevents cab gas keeps it growing strong bag of scots triple action today it's guaranteed loan, feed it safe. we designed the number one rated home security system powered by
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that have been here taking care of us. see if your business may qualify to get refunds .com. president kamala harris just weighed in on tonight's breaking news, a federal judge in texas and validating fda approval of mifepristone widely used drug and medication abortion, speaking at the airport in nashville, here's her initial response. so see. this record in the abortion medication. decision came down today. i haven't read it yet, so i'm going to do an analysis of it. but if it's general matter, i'll say that there is no question that the president and i are going to stand with the women of america and do everything we can to ensure that women have the ability to make decisions about their health care, their reproductive health care in a manner that is what they need, and they decide that not their government. more reaction now to that, and a separate ruling
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washington state on the same drug going in the opposite direction, all of it likely headed to the supreme court. joining us, new york democratic congresswoman alexandria. ocasio cortez. thanks so much for being with us when you've heard the news this afternoon a couple hours ago. what did you think? well you know, i think rulings like this, and i think we've seen from the fda and also from activity in congress. that some of these rulings there. i think we've been preparing anticipating for there being these egregious overreaches by members of the judiciary appointed by a right wing republican party, whose goal for a very long time was to just pack these courts, with partisan judges, often often underqualified or completely unqualified for the for their role, and so there has been thought. i believe given to this senator ron wyden has already issued statements, for example, advising what we should do in a situation like this, which i concur, which is that i believe that the bio demonstration should ignore this ruling. i
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think that we you know, the courts have the legitimacy. and they rely on the legitimacy of their rulings and what they are currently doing is engaged in an unprecedented and dramatic erosion of the legitimacy of the courts. they it is the justices themselves through the deeply partisan and unfounded nature of these rulings that are undermining their own enforcement. so you're saying that by administration should ignore this court, but what does that look like? what does that actually mean? think? the interesting thing when it comes to a ruling is that it relies on enforcement, and it is up to the biden administration to enforce to choose whether or not to enforce such a ruling that do we want to live in a world where the government can decide to ignore federal? i do think that this that it raises it eight. these important questions, and i
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do think that when we look at and there are serious questions that the fda and the administration is going to have to figure out and how exactly we mapped this out, but on the other hand, but we are also seeing is it is a power grab over our courts, in which the laws passed by congress and the rules and policies passed by the executive branch. now we're going to require unanimous consent from 650 district court judges, many of which are appointed. ah with even you know, the american bar association, saying that they're completely unfit for the role is one of the things that a lot of people didn't pay that much attention to during the trump ministrations because there were so many bizarre things going on every day, but mitch mcconnell was you know, getting judges appointed to the bench who were the most conservative judges possible. they weren't just conservative. they were completely unqualified. and you
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know the american bar association along with many other organizations, they issue recommendations or assessments. oftentimes some of them are nonpartisan about how qualified candidate maybe for to be, you know, nominated for the bench, and many of them were completely unqualified. and republicans knowingly put these folks on the bench because they you know the federal between nominations with the federalist society and other organizations knew that they would get outcomes like these, and this is an effort to really subvert the will of the american people who elect their legislators and who elect their leaders to enact the policies. that they are accountable to understand. you know, people having differences of opinions on matters like this religious differences, whatever it may be , what's interesting at this judge, though, the arguments he's making him and we just spoke to that physician the arguments he's making about the medical concerns. just do not
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stand up to the fact that is exactly what makes this ruling different. this is not about a case where a judge is calling balls and strikes on what is within the bounds of the law and not miss it. kristen has been legal and in the market for 23, not as if there's some new study that has come out and said, oh, my gosh, this is actually this is like someone coming out and a judge just coming out and outlying. claritin or aspirin, or or plan b because they felt like it. i mean the contents of this judge's ruling is frankly shocking, and it should be appalling to anyone who practices law because it is so unfounded. it is insulting. i believe to any perfect profession in the law because it is it is. pure conjecture. pure conjecture. as you mentioned there is no medical evidence.
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there is no new study. this is this is a ruling that happened because they could because they wanted to see vice president harris saying, you know, we're gonna do everything we can to stand. uh you know, to stop this to stand by to stand with women. you're saying that they should not they should just ignore this judge. i think i think what we need to see, hear and we saw and there is precedent for this and it precedent for it escalated in the supreme court back 100 years ago when there were these mounting pressures with then fdr in the supreme court, where the supreme there was concern about the supreme court. truly expanding its reach and abusing its power and when we have a system of checks and balances, there is the question of who is the check on the supreme court. you have the check on the presidency. you have the check on congress through veto power, and you have to check on the
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presidency with overriding the check on both with the with the supreme court and ruling in their rulings, but what is the check on the supreme court and that is up to the president of united states and congress to ask you about what we saw in tennessee last night? um three legislators who took part in a protest on the floor of the statehouse, not with protesters. but on the actual floor. they had a bullhorn. clearly a violation of the rules of decorum. um, not something legislators. normally do or would, you know, make sense to have legislators do for good order of actually hearing people's arguments that being said the punishment for two of them was to be expelled. how do you see that? do you think that really was about the rules of decorum or something else? we know that that it absolutely was not. we know that. and there is precedent for this, you know, while protest is not a normal
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occurrence on the house floor, it happens all the time. we saw john lewis lead us sit in on the floor of the united states congress. you saw the you know the seeming behavior from house republicans, even during the state of the union, yelling and hooting and hollering from the national republican party during the president's state of the union, where these people expelled. was there even an ethics, you know, question brought up to this? no, there was not a shot, right? and so what? we're also seeing here and there are so many levels before expulsion. naturally, there's even censure. there is striking the word there is. what was it about? pardon what was it about ? this is about the fascist takeover of our state houses that republicans have invested in in the last several decades. this is about a naked abuse of power. this is about disenfranchising at this about disenfranchising democrats in a
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state in states where there is extreme levels of voter suppression, and it was also about racism. it was deeply about racism from the comments the absolutely disrespectful and denigrating comments made to the black members that of the tennessee house to the fact that they that these republicans voted to expel after charging 33 of these members, they expelled too. black male legislators, and they voted to acquit in a way or they voted to not expel the sole white woman, representative gloria johnson, who has been a phenomenal allies raised this issue of race playing a role. yes, and they have no defense. there is no defense and we have not heard any rational explanation. for why that is and it's. it's so important that we recognize this for what it is and that we see this for what it
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is because if we do not, then we will not take the proper actions to stop it. comes from alexandria. because you're cortez. thank you. thank you so much. coming up more breaking news on the leak online of classified information in the war in ukraine, plus escalation in the middle east is israel's prime minister orders additional troops as well as all police. border reserve units mobilized. we have a live report from televisa next. can do this. luxury that lets you feel infinitely you sometimes, one thing leads to another thing. then all of a sudden, it's on with roman. you can take care of erectile dysfunction discreetly. so whenever the moment happens, get ready, roman ready freestyle library to system no, your glucose level and where it's
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national to security correspondent alex marquardt joins us so alex and the department of justice is now looking into this. what more are you learning? more than looking into it? anderson they have officially launched an investigation. we had been told by both the pentagon and the cia that they were looking into this possible trove of classified documents. us intelligence documents nato intelligence documents that had been leaked online, and now t appears to be escalating significantly both because doj has launched an investigation. also, what appears to be online is much more extensive than we initially knew about the doj spokes. person telling cnn tonight that they have been in touch with the pentagon. they have officially launched an investigation. but that's really all they're saying anderson the initial trove of documents that i first got a glimpse of last night. we really specific about ukraine and what's going on in ukraine. now this is the latest documents, there appeared to be dozens more that include much wider ranging subjects like the wagner
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mercenary groups presence in africa pathways for israel to provide lethal aid to ukraine, which is something that they haven't done yet. the ties between the united arab emirates and russia and then south korean concerns about providing ammunition for ukraine, so it is a much broader range of issues. the documents that i've seen anderson they clearly say. secret and top secret at the top there, notations that say they shouldn't be shared with foreign countries are only certain countries. there are maps there are troop levels forced postures , the types of ammunition that are there that that's being used very specific numbers. anderson like the number of american special forces that are in ukraine, it is not the most sensitive intelligence that is possible. but it is certainly something that you can imagine russia and other adversaries would be interested in. there had been some early speculation that this might be part of the russian disinformation campaign because some of the documents
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did appear to be edited in a way that reduced russian casualties and raised ukrainian casualties , but that appears that that speculation appears to be fading . as these documents do appear to look more and more real. certainly the department of justice as well as the pentagon and the cia, taking this seriously, anderson alex marquardt appreciate the update and israel prime minister netanyahu tonight ordered the mobilization of all police border reserve units. as well as additional troops from the israeli defense forces. or i, d. f it comes in the wake of vehicle attack, intelligent eve, which injured seven people killed one all tourists. israel's foreign ministry is calling it a terror attack. tensions have been high since nearly three dozen rockets were fired into israel from southern lebanon. what israel said we're palestinian militants. israel then hit targets in gaza and southern lebanon. and then more rockets were fired into israel from gaza. cnn's fred pleitgen is in televisa for us tonight. so you're at the scene of the attack in tel aviv. what more can you tell us about what happened? other anderson what was an extremely brutal attack or some video that came out on
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social media tonight? that really showed a car racing down this pathway that you see behind you, which is actually a bike path and pedestrian path racing down there hitting people and then coming off that path and flipping over several times and what we're hurrying from israeli investigators tonight is that what happened afterwards there was a policeman who was at a gas station nearby, who then raced to the scene and saw that the person who was at the wheel of the car had that had flipped over, was reaching for a weapon and then shot that person. so this all of us could have been a lot worse than it actually was, however, as you can imagine a lot of people here taking back very much by what happened here tonight. you mentioned all the people who were killed in that incident or the one person was killed was a tourist. the other ones. who were injured. also we're all tourists as well. benjamin netanyahu, by the way, not only mobilizing those border reserves earlier today, he had called on reserves as well for the air force and the air defense sector. and that just gives you an idea about how
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volatile the situation is in the wake of those israeli retaliatory strikes that took place, of course, also in the wake of some of those strikes that come from gaza as well, and it remains a volatile situation, even though the israelis are saying and it seems that the other side is saying as well. they don't want this to escalate any further, anderson and so what are officials saying about next steps? that's a very good question. they are saying, essentially, they don't want this to go any further. the israelis are saying they are prepared for anything that might come next. but right now they're saying they don't want to act any further. in fact, the israelis have announced tonight that right now, as of right now , as we're speaking here right now, their operation in gaza and in south lebanon is over. they don't intend to fly anymore sorties. of course, that is predicated on no more rockets flying into israeli territory as well. so the way you have on the ground here right now is a very tense calm at the same time, the israelis getting ready for anything that could come. and
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you do, of course, also have mediation efforts that are going on as well to try and calm the general situation down because of course, as we've been seeing over this past week, and as we've been reporting, of course on our air as well. there have been several incidents this past week that have just escalated the situation further. we're thinking, for instance of the lx on mosque, the israelis going into that rating that then, of course, those strikes coming from lebanon onto israeli territories. the israeli strikes in retaliation, it is generally an extremely volatile situation . it seems the right now powers here in this region media are trying to generally calm that down somewhat. what the same time the israelis are saying that they will continue to tow a very hard line. anderson appreciate it. thank you coming up next minnesota democratic senator amy klobuchar on today's abortion drug ruling in texas. out here. you're more than just a landowner. you're a gardener.
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ago, attorney general garland said the justice department will appeal the texas ruling, quoting from the statement, quote today's decision overturns the fda as expert judgment. rendered over two decades that mifepristone is safe and effective. the department will continue to defend the fda decision. joining us now by phone is minnesota democratic senator amy klobuchar, who sits on the senate judiciary committee. senator klobuchar. i'm wondering what your reaction to the two rulings is particularly the texas ruling. this is just a complete shock for women across the nation. um, this is medication. abortion is safe. it was approved, as pointed out by the attorney general over 20 years ago. the approval process took four years . yet this judge and notoriously conservative judge judge cass merrick from texas is the same one. anderson who issued the issue, the initial vision and the dots case. that shredded
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more than nearly five decades of precedent protecting a woman's right to make her own decision about her health care. he's now said this drug, which is literally used for more than half the abortions in the u. s um it cannot be used. now he stayed as opinion for one week so the justice department will appeal on behalf of the fda. they're going to have one week to do that. and they go to the fifth circuit. notoriously again conservative circuit, um and then they will decide if it could stayed for a longer time. and if that doesn't work, of course, they go to the supreme court. i was talking to congresswoman alexandria, casio cortez earlier in the program. she said she believed the biden administration should just ignore the texas ruling. is that something that you would support? um but i believe that in the law and i think what you're going to see here, um is an uprising of women across the country that you've already
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seen. look at what just happened in wisconsin. and i think what you do have available is a second drug that is also being challenged, which is slightly less effective. um and then you have 12 states and this is key. anderson 12 states, which you pointed out where they court out. of washington state has actually ruled the opposite. and as far as i know those 12 states , it's okay and that includes my state of minnesota. so once again, you're going to have a patchwork of laws. the hope, of course, is that between these two courts, someone will stay the decision longer than a week and meanwhile, the washington court case applies to those 12 other states. it does seem like the judge in texas. focused on what he said were concerns he had about the drugs impact psychologically on women. i touched talk to a physician earlier in the program, who said
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there's no evidence of that. in fact, the psychological harm is for women who are trying to get this procedure and are unable to i mean, does does. the judge's decision makes sense just on the merits of what he ruled. not at all, especially when he said it was rushed, rushed four years available for over two decades that is not rushed, used by in one year alone, half a million women was the way that they access to abortion care. so this is obviously outrageous. you can see a very strong case on the other side. um and then you have states all over the country. my guess it won't just be these 12 that will also be bringing cases as well because, as you know, there's still a number of states, including mine that is an island in the middle of a number of states that ban abortion now that allow for
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abortion, so i think that his ruling just under the law makes no sense when you look at fda law, on the other hand, i don't think we're surprised another i know trump appointed judge. you have got these people that donald trump put in. you've got supreme court that did all it could and that adopts decision to overturn 50 years of precedent, and you've got women and men from kansas to alaska, telling them no, we don't agree with this 70 80% of the public is with us. so one answer. anderson of course, is to pass the women's health protection act in congress. but right now we have a house of representatives, um, controlled by the republicans that won't let it through. i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. thank you. next with the former presidents declared, are likely primary rivals are saying or not , saying as the case may be about his criminal indictments
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nomination for the presidency, nikki haley and ron desantis had ample opportunity to speak out about the former president, also running for the white house. haley who was at a campaign event, did not mention the former president or the indictment. desantis never mentioned his name. the criminal charges against former president appears to have frozen in place any possible attacks against the against him by current or potential presidential opponents. and republicans overall have spent this historic week the first ever where former presidents had to say not guilty to criminal charges, rallying to his side, or at least saying nothing critical about him. cnn's jeff zeleny has more. they plan to run against him. the winners get to make policy. the losers go home. and believed republicans were ready to turn the page. if you're tired of losing, put your trust in a new generation at the end of a historic week in american politics, the only crime that i have committed is to fearlessly defend our nation from those who seek to destroy it. donald trump's top gop challengers are
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suddenly on his side after falling into line and blasting criminal charges against the former president. you see this guy in manhattan, this district attorney they're weaponizing the process. tutorial power. to advance a political agenda. maybe it's targeting a politician. they don't like republican rivals fear their opening against trump may have closed a bit after manhattan district attorney alvin brags indictment on 34 counts felony crimes in new york state. no matter who you are. prompted a storm of outrage even from some of trump's fiercest critics, like senator mitt romney, who called it a dangerous precedent , saying, i believe president trump's character and conduct make him unfit for office. even so, i believe the new york prosecutor has stretched to reach felony criminal charges in order to fit a political agenda. with republican wagons circling around trump, or at least against his indictment. it's
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unclear when the window to forcefully challenges candidacy will open again or who will dare to try to liberal prosecutor that's doing political revenge against a former president. i mean, that's not a precedent that you want to have. not long ago, florida governor ron desantis did tiptoe around a critique of trump's predicament with stormy daniels. i don't know what goes into paying hush money to a porn star to secure silence over some type of alleged affair. i just i can't speak to that before quickly dropping any references to porn stars and hush money and simply going on the attack against the new york prosecutor. when asked today whether the indictment influences plans to run desantis answered like this. it's affected me in the sense that it's reinforced this problem we have in our country where we have the political left weaponizing the rule of law, actually abandoning the rule of law by weaponizing it and using against people they don't like and that needs to stop in this
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country. unorthodox presidential primary becomes even more so advisors to republican campaigns tell cnn the biggest risk of all is to get crosswise with voters deeply loyal to trump, who once again is dominating and overshadowing the race. fake case was brought only to interfere with the upcoming 2024 election. and it should be dropped immediately. zeleny, cnn washington. and joining us now former white house communications director anthony scaramucci is cnn senior political commentator adam kinzinger, former republican congressman. um mr scaramucci, can you believe? i mean, it's been almost eight years since donald trump announced he was running for president, and nobody seems to know how to run against him still. well, joe biden. he knew how to run against him, he, but he's a different ilk in these republican politicians, and they need to go after him. anderson. if they don't go after him, they're going to lose to them.
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what does that mean to you go after? i mean, how do you think? because that i mean, did marco rubio tried that. no it's different. you have to go away after a mom policy. you have to go after a man character. you can't call his hands little that's just getting in the mud with them. you have to explain to the american people and the republican party that it's a different country than it was in 2016 is a totally different demographic, and you have to appeal to a wider base of people . and if you do that, you'll beat him if you don't do that. it'll be like seven dwarfs up against him, and they each get 3 to 5% of the vote. he'll get his requisite 20 to 25% and he'll win. congressman kinzinger do any of these candidates who have announced so far? do you think they know how to run against him? well, i think you know it was going to take it to him a little bit, but no, they don't. because the hope right now is just that donald trump goes away magically through the you know some guy riding in on a on a unicorn to save the day who of
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which they are of the unicorn class. they're just not going to come in and do it. that's the hope that's the only way they think they can win. because if they go after him, you know if anyone goes after them, they're out. they all have to go after him, and they're all not gonna do that congressman came, sir. do you think that that nikki haley runs stands? i mean, are they are they hoping or? they're waiting for? you know other indictments to come that there will be just a weight of indictments that somehow a road , his based support because clearly they don't want to upset the base. yeah that's exactly what they're doing. they'll never tell you that. i mean, you have to put them on truth serum to get to get that out of them. but they're exactly hoping that those further indictments take them out there, hoping some sweet meteor comes along and changes the political dynamic, but they're not going to take him on because you know, if you do it alone, you're gonna get crushed out of the primary. everybody has to unionize and do it, but they won't do that. anthony, what do you think? i mean, do you think that there is going to be a sort of a wait of more indictments coming? i mean, if that what will that have an
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impact. see i have a different take on all this. i do think that's going to impact them. it will be a very time consuming, but i think the absence of his family members in this campaign is gonna knock him out of the race. he just doesn't do well without them. he he ran trump organization with them reality television with them the white house with them the 2016 campaign and the 2020 campaign. they want nothing to do with this campaign anderson and they were conspicuously absent from the courtroom, so i think he's gonna have a hard time he may not even make it to the iowa caucuses, not because of anything other than the combination of the lawsuits. and the families absence. it may not be anything to do with the republican adversaries that he's facing, so you think he might actually drop out? well he would fake an illness or something like that. you know, he would come up with a very clever excuse, but but i don't even like listen, you get hit with two more lawsuits like this, maybe another arrest and arraignment and georgia