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see me tomorrow morning on cnn news central. the news continues now cnn primetime with caitlin collins. tonight representative reinstated protests engulfed the tennessee capital in support of expelled lawmakers. justin jones has been a nashville city council votes to return one of the legislators to his seat. the people have spoken republicans react plus sad reality should not continue to happen just two weeks after the school massacre in nashville, another mass shooting this time in louisville . very close friend that didn't make it today. so when we talk about frame, i hope people will will anything change and a portion fight. the justice department looks to texas judge's ruling banning and fda approved abortion medication. we have to go to court and we have to prevail on this party's

double down by demonstration should ignore. this ruling maybe have come a point where house republicans have to defund fda programs. cnn prime time starts now. good evening. i'm caitlin collins on another day of mass bloodshed here in america. this time a gunman opening fire inside of louisville bank, killing four people and injuring nine others with much more on that in a moment, but there are also major breaking headlines coming out in the uproar over the highly political expulsions of two state lawmakers who are fighting to stop gun violence in this country and in their home state. new mass protests breaking out today and tonight, one of those democrats has his seat again. justin jones has been sworn in once again, returning his nameplate to his desk in the state house just a few moments ago. but the big question tonight is for how long

this political drama all started on thursday when jones and justin pearson, both of whom are black, were ousted from their seats by republicans. a third lawmaker who is a white woman narrowly survived her expulsion vote. gop lawmakers ledge alleged that they broke decorum rules by leading a gun control protests on the house floor following last month's school massacre in nashville. but the city's metropolitan council had a special meeting earlier and voting unanimously to send jones back to his seat. this was his reaction after that vote. today we send a clear message to speaker cameron sexton that the people will not allow his his crimes against democracy that happen without challenge. people have spoken. the reason we asked for how long is because jones is only reinstated on an interim basis to fill his own vacant seat until a special election is held later this year. throngs of protesters demonstrated outside the capitol building in nashville tonight in support of him. as for his colleague,

justin pearson, there will be a vote on wednesday by the shelby county board of commissioners in memphis to consider reappointing him. he started his colleagues, side and solidarity earlier. to anyone who has doubted the south. anyone who's doubted the power of tennessee and advocate for an end to gun violence. anybody who's doubted the movement to end assault weapons ban anybody who's down the movement. here's your answer. the movement still lives. and we should note. we have asked justin jones to join us. he will be joining us later tonight. but now i want to go to cnn's ryan young, who is live in nashville and ryan, you were there today. you're outside as all these protesters were there outside the capitol building. tell us what you heard from them. and what you heard from this lawmakers. he was coming out now that he has been reinstated. well think about this. uh both of these men understood the gravity of the moment today, especially what? after what happened in louisville? they were hit by that very strongly.

i got to talk to both men who kept saying over and over. this should be about gun control. yes they're glad that focuses on what's going on in this state, but they really wanted to focus on how the steps and all these states could move this conversation for it. so outside the capital, we got a chance to talk to him. but it was the tense moments beforehand before that vote happened where you can feel the energy in the room. thousands of people did show up not only to march with them from the city hall to the state capital, but in that moment where the vote happened inside city council, you could feel a lot of relief and the fact take a watch of what happened and look at justin jones reaction to finding out that he was going back to the state house. so you can see that's that pure joy and there was a lot of hugs and there was a lot of prayers and then we marched through the capital. they wanted to go by john lewis street and dr king street and on the steps. i don't think i've ever seen anything

like this on the steps you had someone basically skits sworn back in to get a seat back, and you can feel the joy from the people who are in that crowd who wanted to make sure their voices were heard. justin pearson joined justin jones and they were holding hands together, and they kept saying, let's keep this march. oy! many to finally walk back into the state capitol. we follow along with that as well. look at this picture from the gallery of justin pearson, who hasn't been put back into his seat just yet , raising his fist in solidarity with the young brother, who was back in his seat down on the floor. it was an amazing sight to see you don't see this play out in american politics quite the way we see it in the last week and a half caitlin yeah. it was remarkable to see that in the moment where you saw him going put against nameplate back. it is desk. he was taking selfies in the same place where he was just expelled last week. ryan young. thank you for being there on the ground in nashville . also here at the desk with me. i want to bring in cnn's moment, procure pairs. cornish who has seen a toast of the assignment

podcast. margaret hoover, our cnn political commentator and host of pbs is firing line and, of course, bomani jones, host of game theory with bomani jones on hbo. thank you all for being here tonight. you spent a lot of time in nashville used to be the bureau chief there for npr. what do you make of watching how we saw this progress from last thursday in that dramatic fashion of these expulsions to tonight, him being reinstated, even temporarily to his seat. i mean, it's a flashpoint for a national audience. but if you're in the south, you've seen this building for a long time, even for just kind of the nashville, memphis, tennessee politics and just for context. obviously tennessee was the home of al gore and bill frist and people who are considered kind of a moderating voices in the party. and now it's the party of marcia black. act burn, so the politics have changed radically since the barack obama administration and over the last couple of months with the republican supermajority. they have systematically taken some shots at the capital city. and by

that, i mean, they've split up the congressional district and spread it out over more republican leaning districts. they have also taken one of its legislative bodies for the city and created a state law that only applies to nashville, cutting in half that body from 40 to 20 people. sound like minor things, but over time it has built what we're seeing now, a kind of, um progressive awakening or backlash to what many may be perceiving as an overreach by this republican led state house. what do you think? i mean, now that he's back there, he's going to be interacting with these are his republican colleagues. they're working alongside him very members who just voted to expel him last thursday, can't be comfortable for anyone. but i think you bring up a really strong point about what's happened to the republican party in some of these states that are red states in the last decade and a half where supermajorities have been forged. the overwhelming majority of those republicans at state house. i don't even have an opponent let alone a primary, but i mean,

they just run on opposed every two years. you have a party that has gotten increasingly extreme , and that party doesn't respect the basic bargaining. an accommodation that is endemic. there is absolutely required of a legislative body. instead it has decided to cancel the views of those it disagrees with. cancel culture. now it's the republicans in the super majority of the tennessee state house, right? so this is i mean , you have an increasing extremism. in the right that all flows from the trump years, and you just see how powerful this supermajority released, but i think shimon, what's important to remember is what's at the heart of all of this is that it was that shooting at the covenant school. that is why they lead this protest on the house floor. they talked about the importance of that. and now, today we've seen another shooting another mass shooting happening in louisville. this bank that has killed several people, including you saw how emotional the governor was talking about how he knew them

that this is the bank he used when he was running for office. right and the person that was killed helped him with his law practice. so there was a lot of emotion there today. certainly what we saw in louisville something we don't normally see from our politicians in such a emotional way. also the mayor talking about his relationship to some of the people there. look the more this is happening. the more this is going to directly affect politicians. we're going to come before microphones and say, you know, prayers and but the bottom line is something needs to happen. you know, even tennessee the look in memphis. you know the gun violence there. it's just horrific. and so some of these folks in tennessee who are coming forward and asking for change, they are on the front lines of this violence. and today we saw it in louisville, and it's a major problem where someone was able to get their hands on this assault rifle walk into a conference room with his co workers and just kill people. and of course, there are a lot of questions. we don't know yet

in terms of exactly what happened. what led up to this, but clearly there was something going on in this individual's life, and we need to figure out how it is that this person was just able to get their hands on this gun. that's such an important point you make about memphis is it's not just what's happening in school shootings or mass shooting at a bank. it's also everyday violence in memphis and the gun violence. there is horrific, right, it's there are shootings. several shootings a day and so these families that are coming forward and are taking to the state capital. they know it's not just these mass shootings. yes of course, they're horrific, and they're happening more and more every day, but it's just the everyday gun violence. also that's going on all across this country also reflects a shift in politics, especially with gen. z after parkland. those kids really stepped up in terms of making a bigger tent around the conversation of gun violence. what might have felt politically as a conversation about mass shootings. this is singular. it's somehow rare. they started to fold all the victims of gun

violence into that conversation , and justin gerald is a great example of the kind of politician that has come out of that era and out of what is becoming a new tradition and to be clear. justin jones also was mimicking one of his heroes. john lewis, who people are forgetting after the pulse, shooting pulse nightclub shooting, he sat down on the floor of the house of representatives and stage of protest with a lot of other law. makers he wasn't expelled right, like the action that was taken in tennessee kind of was rightly exposed as an overstep. um but i just want to put him in context with the people that he looked up to, including john lewis, including diane nash. he was a famous, um, civil rights leader from nashville and went to fisk university where he went to as well. so i don't want to make it look like these guys just kind of sprung from nowhere in our care about this. they're actually part of a little bit of a legacy here. that's important to note. i think of the broader context of what this looks like. what where it could go, potentially and you noted lawmakers in washington how

they're dealing with this. it's not just lawmakers. i mean, look grow. the coach popovich was at a press conference. talking about the game. he got to the end of it, and unprompted made these remarks. senator marsha blackburn. i'm in afterwards. after the massacre. my office is in contact with federal, state and local officials. we stand ready to assist. in what? they're dead. is it freedom for kids to go to school? and try to socialize. and try to learn and be scared to death that they might die that day. but ted cruz will fix him because he's going to double the number of cops in the schools. what was interesting about papa. he's been doing this for years. i do find, though, that when his teams were better, his words landed with a lot more impact, right. it's kind of cold statement about american life, you know, and how this goes. i think there's an irony in all of this, though that's lost, which

is the idea that somebody could have a seat in the legislative body. it would have to go outside the capital in order to make enough noise because of what's happening with the state houses like i know john oliver did something many years ago about this. but nationwide what state houses have been able to do in terms of changing their composition and making it borderline impossible for any minority group to have any role whatsoever. what goes on, particularly in the southern states is how you get to a point where you are kicked out of the state house because you protested outside and i saw somebody on twitter make the point where you and government do something. but he can't write , and i think that's something that cannot be lost. and this is the overall structural issues that lead to this place. there's also a racialized irony. the gun control pops up in this country large because people wanted to make sure that black people didn't get guns except in the south. it's so many black people white people want to have guns just in case the black people wind up getting them right. like we just got up in this whole swirl of everything that doesn't make sense. but in the end, we have decided that the gun is such an important symbolic piece in our society that making a legitimate change to do

something about. it is probably not going to happen, and i don't know, like i think we probably have these conversations on television in fervency for like 15 years now, and it's the same conversation every single time i totally agree with your point about irony and all the stuff. i do think. you know, the gears of democracy also grind slowly and we have seen in some ways the same generate talking points for 30 years, but one thing that's changed in the last 15 years is that the families and the children and the high school kids from parkland to newtown. they have started mobilizing. they have real money behind them. there is a legitimate grassroots. widespread national gun reform movement that is smart, political organized. do you know doing polling well funded and it takes time. it's been 15 years, but they have more and more power and federal legislation sponsored by none other than john cornyn and chris murphy, which nobody said was enough and nobody believes is

good enough to stop the next one. as we've seen. but it was a start. and that was unthinkable 15 years ago, so it's not enough to save any lives in the moment is saying that they basically run out of runway in congress of where to go next, after what happened in nashville, and i think the other thing, popovich said today, which he raises controversial idea of showing photos of classrooms after a school shooting is likening it basically to the napalm photo in vietnam, asking if that would change. i mean, you know, to talk about seen a lot of yeah, i spent a year covering eovaldi now and the video. i have seen photos. i have seen the injuries that i have seen, um, are horrific, right? i mean, bullets that riddle children's bodies and what it does to just any human being. but especially a child. i don't know. you know, you think maybe that will make a difference, but i don't know. you know, um and you talk about law enforcement. you know today's actions by law

enforcement there in louisville are remarkable. you know, you have an officer who's just on the street for 10 days 26 years old. walks into this bank. and saves lives, but almost lost his own life. he gets shot in the head and the these are the officers that are on the front lines all across this country now trying to stop this gun violence and you have news that we've just learned. sadly, we're yeah. so, caitlin, that 1/5 person sadly has died in the louisville shooting. it's a 57 year old woman. her name is diana eckert. so another person, you know, we know that there were several who are critical in critical condition, and it looks like sadly tonight another person has died, and we're thinking of her, her family and everyone there. i mean, obviously, this is just so horrific human. thank you for that update, though. standby everyone we do have more big news that we're following tonight. especially when it comes to another big story today , which comes the justice department is now taking action to unblock access to a key abortion pill after a texas judge. judges controversial

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that would halt access to a popular abortion pill. that ruling from u. s district judge matthew has merit came down on friday night it suspended. the fda is 23 year old approval of the abortion drug myth of presto. without a freeze. that ruling would go into effect friday. this friday at midnight . the ruling, of course, has drawn outrage from abortion rights advocates, including our next guest, michigan governor gretchen whitmer. she's one of the most outspoken democratic leaders on this issue. i was there on day one of her second term in eastland, lansing, michigan, speaking to her and the women in her family, as you can see here, her sister and her daughters. and about protecting abortion access and what it has meant to them. i wonder if you think that your race is a blueprint for democrats in 2024 just going forward. generally i do think that what happened in michigan there is. there are a lot of takeaways. first we have

fairly drawn districts for the first time in decades. second we had reproductive rights on the ballot, and that really animated a lot of voters. we also spoke truth than and lived. our values were unapologetic about it. you know, we talked about abortion in the most personal terms. and governor. gretchen whitmer joins us now, governor. thank you so much for being here tonight. what's your response to what you're seeing? play out with this abortion fight nationwide. do you think a judge in texas should be able to say that a drug from the fda has been determined invalid? i think it's appalling. it's just another example of why we have to continue to fight for rights that we thought were settled 50 years ago. we have a right wing extremist group that cherry picked a judge who is extreme on their views who is just upended decades decades of medical

efficacy and safety. women's health. i mean, it's really stunning, and yet it's a sober reminder of how important it is to stay engaged here and when people willing to subvert the will of the people. this kind of this kind of federal fundamental rights can be ripped away at a heartbeat. and of course you're referencing how they had 100% chance of getting this judge to be overseeing this case when it comes to the fda does a decision like this undermine the authority that the fda has in your view? i think so. you know, this is the same kind of protocol that you know. tells assault. tylenol is safe, right ? i mean, so this really could up and i think a lot of settled law settled policy access to you know drugs that people use over the counter every single day just to deal with arthritis pain. i mean, there's a huge potential repercussions from this. and given those repercussions we've heard from

some lawmakers, not just democrats, also republicans that they believe that the biden astray shin in the fda should ignore this ruling. do you think that they should ignore this ruling? well we've got two courts that have very different rulings. and so i do think that there is a lot of confusion, a lot of anxiety. i also think that you you cannot ignore. the will of the people. we saw what happened here in michigan last fall, we saw what happened in wisconsin last week. we saw what happened in kansas last summer. the people of this country expect these fundamental rights to be sacrosanct to be available to future generations of americans. and so i do think that this is a dangerous moment . i've got confidence that we will get through it. but we cannot for one second, make any assumptions. we've got to continue to roll up our sleeves and be activated. and um, use every tool at our disposal to protect these fundamental rights. does that mean you think the fda should ignore it? or do you think that they should they should follow it given it's a judicial decision. well there's

two judicial decisions and their opposites. so right now there is a it's very murky. um i think that maybe preston should still be available. in fact, we in michigan work with our insurers to make sure that that is the case. women in michigan still have access to christen, but i think in this moment, um there's just cause for a lot of people to be very nervous about whether or not that will continue to be the case. the justice department has filed a motion asking the court of appeals to basically stay this to have this this this time to fight this via fight this and let it play out in the courts. what are your concerns if they don't grant that stay? if this ruling does stand well, i think that there are still other avenues for us to make sure that medical abortion is still available. um through, you know, um, i think there are other there are other drugs that women currently have access to another parts of the world. that

women here in the united states have access to it was a it was a two part medical abortion and that was available and i think now you know that will. still there will still be options. but this is safe. this is effective . this has been widely used and relied on and i think that that's why this is so, um, i think anxiety provoking for us also ask you about what we're seeing play out in nashville tonight because local officials there have unanimously voted to appoint one of those two expelled democratic lawmakers from last week back to his seat . justin jones. do you believe what republicans did in that state last week was undemocratic and your view? i do, and i was very pleased to see that he's been reinstated. and it sounds as though his, um, colleague will be as well and i think that that makes sense. you know you violate the house rules. well, maybe you get you lose a committee for a little while. the fact of the matter is they just deprived all the constituents in both those districts of a voice people who

were just simply trying to fight for some common sense gun safety measures. we saw another mass shooting today in kentucky. this is a uniquely american problem, and you cannot be tough on crime . if you're not willing to talk about guns, and i am grateful that there are so many people that are willing to use their voice and their platform to speak for people who are are not being listened to when they're asking for some comments on gun safety measures. yes the president is calling on republicans in congress to act in the wake of what happened in kentucky and very strongly worded statement that we saw to the white house, but obviously it seems unlikely that they are going to do anything. what do you expect? you expect anything? any action to come from capitol hill? i'm not counting on it. but i can tell you this. they're foolish if they don't think that the american people are activated, whether it is around abortion rights, or it is about making sure that we've got some common sense. common sense gun safety reforms, you know, i'm going to be signing background checks soon. i'm going to be signing a bill to ensure that

there's safe storage laws here in michigan. the people are asking for this and anyone who ignores them or misrepresents who they are, and doesn't actually do. what the people are asking for, i think is foolish and will ultimately not be successful. governor gretchen whitmer thank you so much for joining us tonight for your time we were with you on day one of your second term. now it is day, 100. so we really appreciate your time tonight. thank you, caitlin. up next a blank lives matter. protester murdered. why is the governor of texas now seeking to pardon the man convicted before he has even been sentenced? you'll hear from the district attorney in this case who calls it quote deeply troubling next. start your day with nature made

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him guilty of murder. the sentencing date for him is not even been set yet. but already texas governor greg abbott has tweeted his intention to pardon perry. in texas. the governor can only grant a pardon after the board of pardons and paroles makes a recommendation. abbott has requested an expedited review of this case. i want to note that we invited the governor on this show tonight or this week to join us. now we are speaking to the district attorney in this case, jose garza, who joins us and thank you so much for being here. the idea that this sentencing date has not even been sent been set yet and already the governor is moving ahead with this. what's your reaction to that? caitlyn. my first thought is about the foster family about garrett's parents and his fiancee. they waited so long to have their moment import. they waited so long for justice for their son and justice, i think feels so elusive to them right now, but i want them to know that the travis county district

attorney's office is going to continue to fight. or a criminal justice system, where everyone is treated equally, including garrett foster. have you spoken to the family yap? i have had the opportunity to visit with the family. on multiple occasions. i had the opportunity to visit with them today. um, i won't speak for them. i think they will, um, have their opportunity to speak very soon. but i can only tell you that they're heartbroken right now. okay good to know that you've spoken to them. if this pardon goes through, i think an important part to note is that the board's members here are appointed by the governor. you know, he's saying he'll bring it . if it comes to his desk, he'll sign it. if this pardon does happen, do you think it undermines your office? well simply by making this announcement the governor has undermined the rule of law in the state of texas, and he has made our community less safe.

every single day here in travis county, we hold people accountable who commit acts of gun violence. we're going to continue to hold people accountable who commit acts of gun violence, and obviously, if the governor wants to continue to pardon people who commit acts of gun violence that's up to him, but there is no doubt in my mind that it makes our community less safe. i want to show a moment of something that was said on fox news in the hours before we heard from the governor's office about what he intended to do. this is what happened. this is illegal atrocity. it's so obviously unjust that tonight we extended an invitation to the sitting governor of texas, greg abbott to come on this show on monday. and we wanted to ask if he was considering a pardon for daniel perry. but for some reason, governor greg abbott's office told us he just can't make it and that we should talk to the attorney general of texas, ken paxton, instead. so that is greg abbott's position. there is no right of self defense in texas.

do you think criticism like that played a role in the decision that governor abbott has made here? well you know, caitlyn makes our criminal justice system just is people. it is the fact that in our democracy it is the people who have the final word through their service on grand juries through their service on juries and what the governor has said today. what he said over the weekend is that those people don't matter, and it is deeply troubling that someone like tucker carlson may have more power in the state of texas and the people who live here and serve in our community. district attorney jose garza will wait for that sentencing date to be set to what happens there. thank you for your time tonight. thank you. you know the district attorney. you've spoken with him before? i wonder what you make of the position that they're in. and the idea that you know, legal experts are saying, if this party goes

forward, it does erode the justice system in texas. it's not just that garza is one of a handful of so called progressive prosecutors who had the support of protesters in the black lives matter movement, and so he is very much kind of a part of having a more kind of progressive approach to public. uh safety and what's happening with abbott is a clash of the politics here, right? the backlash to the blm movement is coming in the form of abbott and others. there was a wave of anti protest legislation that came out of 2020 and 2021, including in the state of iowa. they actually created a civil shield law for people who harmed a protester in in a protest, so there is kind of a movement of people who say get these guys out the streets. get these bums out. the streets. we don't want to see this protest, and abbott is kind of playing to that crowd with the potential for this pardon, and that means people like jose garza, who i've talked

to about this are facing serious political headwinds for the sort of progressive movement they believe themselves to be a part of, but what do you make of it? i mean, given what abbott is saying is his defense about the standard ground laws in texas and the that side of this not let the sentencing player it just seems to undermine the deliberations of 12 jurors who spent a long time they spent several hours deliberating for a unanimous verdict there, but it really at the heart of this for context. you go back to there was a guy named harlon carter, who was living on the border in texas back in the fifties. there was some racial tension with mexicans in the nearby ended up murdering a 15 year old boy with a shotgun, was convicted of murder but then released from jail two years early because the judge didn't explain to the juror the proper definition of self defense. at that time, harlon carter went on to be the head of the nara at the time, they pivoted from a club that was for marksmanship into a political wing that gave their first endorsement after 100 years of ronald reagan in 1980 now that's 180 million guns ago

in this country, the political force of that decision who took the n r a in a in a place to fortify for a race war instead of a civic gun safety organization was a key moment in history. and i think you're seeing that play out now. this is like canonizing the kyle rittenhouse's the world. however, you feel about what went down. to undermine just the basic sense of a jury trial at this moment and to choose sides in a gunfight based on who was protesting what boy that's dangerous ground. it feels like it's appointed to remember. you know what was introduced at the trial where his message is that where he that perry posted that day, one saying, you know, i might have to kill a few people on my way to work there. riding outside my apartment complex. i might go to dallas to shoot looters. these are the words that prosecutors used against him in this trial, but i mean, there's so many absurd things about this one of them. to me, they're really jumps out is that abbott's point is that the

standard ground laws in texas are so strong, which i feel like undercuts his logic. yes they're so strong and the dude still got convicted and i am a text and i'm here to tell you were really understanding. when you shoot somebody. we will give you every benefit of the doubt that maybe you had a reason to do this in 12. people still unanimously said no. this isn't enough. so, with the strength of those laws, the person still got convicted. that's a huge part. that really throws me. you know, when we see how this all went down, but i think what are you saying is very important. the idea that you can shoot somebody just because they're protesting seems to be something that they want to go with. there's also again to get into the irony of this. the man who got shot was carrying an ak 47. the idea was that the shooter was scared of him. thereby he shot him. first of all the idea that i'm scared, therefore i can shoot it so they're legally we really got to find a way to get to the bottom of being scared just in a good enough reason to shoot somebody. but if the ak 47 means by definition, it is scary to somebody and then they can shoot you. it would have been raised the question about whether you should be able to have the ak

47. but we're not gonna do that, either, because again texas so it all comes again. this jumble that doesn't make any sense. it feels very much like abbott watch tucker carlson or somebody watched and gave mccall and said, hey, tucker, talking about you. oh well, i guess we need to at least act like we're going to do something about this. so all of this is done. and i guess for larger, like national type stuff because in texas the right of texas to shoot. people will never, ever be in friendship on period. we've seen how even governor abbott has changed the gun laws. since all of this happened. we'll see what happens when that sentencing date does come down ahead for president trump has some advice, maybe not well intentioned for his biggest potential primary threat, florida governor ron desantis and a potential democratic contender in 2024 is also weighing in plus, we're gonna try to figure out president biden's messaging on 2024 after he said this earlier. well i plan on running out, but we're not prepared to announce it yet. active story. attic arthritis can slow me down n now. sky rizi helps me get going along with

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wide plus get free design services uber dot com mj lee at the white house, and this is cnn. alright. in tonight's trend , it is clear we have entered the advice stage of the 2024 race. some advice well, meaning other advice. cynical take, for instance, florida governor ron desantis. he is clearly a potential contender for the republican nomination. but here is what california democratic governor gavin gavin newsom, obviously who has a motive and does not have the same views as dissenters on whether or not he believes his fellow governor should throw his hat in the ring. he's going to get rolled

by trump. trump's is going to roll him. thumped i honestly if i were offering political advice, i'd tell him to pack up and wait a few years. and actually do some of the hard work, which actually includes governing not just identity and cultural war come back as a more seasoned and capable leader. with a little humility. which by the way he can use. in a strange and rare moment, gavin newsom is agreeing with former president trump or former president trump is agreeing with gavin newsom today, untruth social trump used some of those adjectives to tell desantis that he believes, essentially, he should wait, calling him a young man and suggesting that if he runs in 2024, he's going to wreck his chances for maybe being president in the future. saying good things come to those who wait. that's the advice from chris christie, however, that it should be any republican. but trump. i think donald trump is the only republican he can beat

. i don't think he could be any other republicans nominated and but the economy will still be the thing that will determine this and i think we have more pumps coming to his head. our panel is back with me now. martin, what do you make of what? chris christie had to say his advice. i'm not sure i even followed it. i mean, chris christie, i think is trying to get into the race himself. he's definitely considering, um, his travels that is making but work. i rarely agree with that. gavin gavin newsom. i do think he's right. look if you even look at the last week what's happened in the polling with desantis, who was eight points below trump and is now 26 points below. trump the latest yahoo news poll. i mean, trump has this ability to solidify the base of the republican party and no one competes with him. ron desantis has plenty of time. he's not even 45. why would you do that

to yourself? put yourself through that meat grinder. if you want to have a future for the republican party, it's just sheer political. sort of, you know, survival skills that that is lacking. i think i think newsom's right, but only if you're looking at this from a cynical perspective. i mean, we were just talking last week about trump's legal troubles. not just the ones here in new york, but the ones that other experts agree, maybe more serious to him. is that something that someone like a governor desantis? or maybe a chris christie is considering waiting to see if that is something that could could hurt trump. potentially you know, the thing that was most striking to me watching all this back and forth was trump throwing more things at the wall. right? first, it was the sanctimonious. then it was his the problem this way, and now it's like he's a he's a young man who maybe has more time that does signal a little bit of fear on his part because he's just trying a bunch of insults, hoping something sticks. um and yes, trump has an ability to have people coalesce around him. and maybe yes, that will happen every time he has a court date. lucky for him. he

may have several over the next couple of months. but desantis play has always been. you will get tired of this. and there are lots of people who have been talking, especially nikki haley, who outright goes out and says, we're tired of losing as a party . um there is still a lane for someone who can say if you like all this, but don't want to spend all your time sending someone money for their lawyers . i'm the candidate for you. i think that's still an option for someone there. whether it's desantis or not, i don't know. can we talk about something? nikki haley said. just a few moments ago, she was at a town hall and she was talking about government workers and how long she thinks they should be able to be in those positions. first of all you heard me, say term limits. the second thing i'll tell you is in agencies. a lot of the power comes from people who have been there too long. so the goal is you make sure no one holds a job longer than five years. they have to be rotated

out. this comes into you. we've heard this other idea about you know the schedule f employees as they're known in the federal government, probably in saying that they fire all of them, some of them. this idea that we've seen floating around, but a lot of those people are career employees for a reason. they know how the pentagon work certain levels that you know a political appointee was not there for very long. just doesn't right. do you want to flip your head chemist every five years of a big maybe a drug agency or or science advisors that nasa or no. uh maybe it's part of a war against expertise and the elites. that's an that's an interesting one. there was a great michael lewis book that he wrote during some of the shutdowns and when early early days of the trump administration had how certain agencies were deliberately gutted and the brain drain that that leaves. that's just not a one term decision that plays on for years afterwards. um you know, used to be i'm young old enough to remember when public service was an honorable path. and for going

, you know, corporate job in order to serve was was a good thing. i don't know if we'll ever get back there when you talk about brain drain. that is actually something when i was covering the biden white house that they argued about the beginning, they felt that they were hobbled because certain agencies like homeland security and others had been decimated, they argued. biden today was asked about his own ambitions. it was the east drug role, he was asked if he was going to have many more of those in his future. this is what he said. well i plan on running out, but we're not prepared to announce it yet. what do you make of, uh why he hasn't announced yet. biden's 2024 run what that could look like, sometimes you don't have to tell us what we already know is going to happen. you know, a whole lot of people they voted for. but like, what were they going to do this for a turban? he's like, oh, no, baby, i'm sticking around. where else i'm gonna go. um what is going to look like? i think really just depends very much. so on who the person is on the other side. the tricky thing with desantis is what's there to like

that you can say what you want about trump. if you were to ask me what there is to like, i could list the things i could say what it is that other people might like about him. desantis doesn't really have that advantage. so if you're running against desantis, i would be curious because i think that's when you get the best of the middle class joe thing right, like, hey, man, i'm your guy. you know, that's that's the super power that he has in dealing with people. if he's running with trump again, you just kind of hope he flames out right. like you hope he messes himself up and people do just get tired of it because i do think there's a level of exhaustion. i'm not sure barack obama would have tried to run for a third term if it was possible if he couldn't one win, because people just get tired of you. by eight years of trump. i think people are ultimately going to be tired. that would be the easiest race for him to win with desantis. you just kind of looked like do you really like this guy? because nobody's won an election for being qualified. people typically win elections because somebody likes you more than they like the other person. you look at the republicans that have lost in my lifetime. none of them were any full something though. just as purely anecdotal. you remember when

desantis and hurricane ian was wearing the white boots and got a lot of flak. those are pine island, reeboks. those are what fisherman's wear. those are that's there's a pair of those boots and every pickup truck and those guys loved desantis when i was down there with them. i mean, there's something about his swagger taking on disney. all that stuff that clicks with people. i think he's kind of stuck in between or something like i think there was a time where he was greatest advantage over trump would be that he had the ivy league bona fides to make him a more qualified person who seemed to be more decent and that would push him over the top. trump eliminated the idea of decency and qualification and aptitude and all of those things should be out there. so you come back ron desantis. you're like i'm kind of like trump, except i'm better behaved than i have better degrees. degrees don't matter anymore. so when i look at him, i don't see what there is to hold on. to me has argued there would be less chaos and he'd be better at executing. we'll see once he actually gets in the race. um for now, though, i do want to go back to what was we started this hour with the dramatic scene that happened in nashville because state representative justin jones returned to the tennessee general assembly surrounded are you supporters today he was sworn in on the capitol steps

where, just days ago, he and another fellow democrat work spelled by the republican dominated house that other lawmakers justin pearson, watch from the gallery today is jones addressed the chamber and justin jones is with us now and good evening and thank you for being here. i know that you have had quite a day and we were watching it all play out. tell me what it was like to be back in that same room where you were expelled just a few days ago. well good evening and thank you for having me today was a powerful day. in a testament of people power. we went from the council meeting with thousands of people marching down the street right in front of me to the people's house. i got sworn in, um, immediately outside by one of our judges here in nashville and walked into the people's house. and it was a very emotional day. um and an exhausting day but also hopeful day. what we saw today was was the people saying that we're not going to allow the attacks on democracy, letting this building by speaker cameron's sexton and his leadership group to happen in the comfort of silence, but that we will respond with a mass

movement and so i got my easter suit on because their attempt to crucify democracy has really resurrected a movement here in tennessee, a movement that is multiracial and intergenerational, and that's really going to transform tennessee in the south. how is all of this? this experience changed your mind set of viewing your role, you know, even just a few weeks ago before the covenant school shooting two now given everything. i think it's just it shows that we need more representatives who will stand with the people who are willing to risk a title to be with the people to stand with the people. and so we need bold leadership. we need to fight for our communities. you know, these young people are demanding that we take action for common sense gun laws. we need to respond to them, and we need to respond to these assault on democracy with progressive, bold voices. and so i'm honored to stand here as a representative district 52 once again a few days later, because what that's what it's about is that the people of my district 70,000 people in our community in the most diverse district in tennessee. we must represent them. we must speak for them in these halls of power and not

allow these attacks on their rights and our communities is proliferation of weapons of war on our streets to happen without voices dissenting saying that no , this is not good for our people and that we cannot consent or or agree to any of this, that we must challenge it. and we must be bold in doing so. have you spoken to any of the republicans who voted to expel you on thursday night? actually happened to be on the elevator with the representative. but jose who filed the resolution to expel me, um i greeted him and i also asked him that he learned anything. anything from this experience. he said that you know you know, as part of leadership decision to kind of ask him to file this and, you know, besides, that was very quiet. but i think you know the republicans are in a point of reflection here in tennessee that what they did they thought would happen without any resistance. but it has the world watching what's happening here. the speaker of the house is trying to backtrack now like i did, i said today, you know, we are calling for his resignation . he is an enemy of democracy, and he doesn't deserve to be in that office of speaker of the house any longer. so just to be clear this republican that you

were in the elevator with essentially tried to say that it wasn't his idea to introduce that or tried to, like, shirk responsibility for it. what was how did you respond that they asked him because he's chairman of he said that they asked him cause he was chairman of criminal justice committee. but i want to ask him that he learned anything from this experience. he was silent. he is raising a butthole. see from east tennessee. kingsport um and there was really no, really i don't know if there was any, you know thing, more said besides that, but you could see that there is a point of reflection happening here that they thought their attacks on democracy which has happened without any type of resistance, that only type of accountability, but the opposite is happening, and it's put a spotlight on what's happening in this building. and so you know, the republicans who are are in our leadership group. again we must continue to push so that the voices of all people tennessee or her, that's all we're asking for. is that let us speak for our district. these young people are saying we want to live shootings keep happening. we had another one here today in louisville. i mean, we must act on this issue. this proliferation of guns in our community. that's what we're gonna do insult. they told me to

second foul 15 bills because i'm now technically a new member. every one of those bills are gonna have to do with common sense gun laws, every single one of those bills going to have to do with that, because that's what these young people are begging us to do. and so when i come tomorrow, i'm gonna work on that legislation. get it to the speaker's office and let's take action before we go. adjourned from session. how soon do you plan to follow those bills? as soon as the end of the week whenever legal returns those that legislation to me i'll go over to the clerk's office and have it filed because this is an urgent issue. we're in a crisis here. our young people are begging us to act. they asked us to ban assault weapons, and on thursday, my colleagues here responded by assaulting democracy. i mean, it is immoral is morally insane. it's constitutionally consistent and it's indefensible and we must act and we must continue to empower these young people. 27 years old. i think it's time for a new generation of voices to step into their power here, and my message to the young people here in america is that if your voice is not matter, they would not be trying so hard to silence that they would not be trying to suppress our votes and stop us or having a voice in our democracy. and so young people

are really gonna i believe you. going to transform this nation in transform this community here and bring us toward a new vision of a multiracial democracy. safe to say your voice is definitely being heard now. justin jones. thank you. i know it's been quite a day. thank you for joining us tonight. thank you. thank you. market. what do you make of his calling on the house speaker cameron sexton to resign. but what do you make of him, saying he got in the elevator with a republican today? who who kind of try to say it wasn't my idea? responsibility for it does that? i mean, can't you just see that scene i can. where are the republicans with any moral courage, or are the republicans who were willing to take responsibility for their bad actions or for the things that backfire? i mean, you can absolutely see a circumstance where the see the speaker of the house said that the lieutenant hey, you take this bill up. it's your job. you do this. if you want to sort of stay in line and keep your committee assignments to do the things and you know what? when you look somebody in the eye and they can't respond back. they know they did it, but they didn't. they didn't do the right thing. they know they were wrong. and that young man is so remarkable. a