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welcome to our viewers joining us here in the united states and all around the world. you are watching cnn newsroom and i'm a church just ahead. one more american city shattered by yet another mass shooting this time . five killed after the gunman opened fire in a bank. the attack on folding the very same day that the tennessee lawmaker expelled for protesting gun violence made his dramatic return to the statehouse, plus the pentagon shifts into damage control after classified documents ended up online, giving a glimpse at us spying efforts on allies and enemies alike. live from cnn center. this is cnn newsroom with rosemary church. two deadly mass shootings within two weeks into american cities less than 200 miles apart. we are following the heartbreak and the fallout
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in tennessee, a lawmaker kicked out of the state house for taking part in a gun reform protests on the chamber floor after a fatal school shooting in his community two weeks ago, was just reinstated. the nashville metro council voted to put justin jones back in office, the expulsion of jones and another black democrat from the republican dominated house has triggered major protests at the state capitol and in louisville , kentucky, and employee opened fire during a staff meeting on monday before the bank opened to the public, killing at least five people enforcement source says the 25 year old gunman had been told he would be fired. live streamed the attack afterwards, the us president issued a statement on gun control, asking how many more americans must die before republicans in congress will act to protect our communities. the louisville attack marked the
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145th mass shooting in the united states this year. that's according to the gun violence archive. the fifth victim died hours after the incident. she has been identified as 57 year old deanna eckert. cnn's omar jimenez has further details. officers were on sane within three minutes. the suspect shot at officers. we then returned fire and stop that threat. police revealing the shooter was an employee at the bank and had livestreamed the attack. suspect was live framing. and unfortunately, that's that's tragic. to know that that incident was out there and captured enforcement source telling cnn. the shooter had also learned he was going to be fired and wrote a note to his parents and a friend indicating he was going to shoot at the bank. louisville's head of police solemnly reading the
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names of the victims. at an afternoon press conference, tommy elliott. 63 years of age. jim tut. 64 years of age. josh barrett. 40 years of age and juliana farmer among those injured in the attack. two police officers, including a rookie cop just days into the job. the officer who was in critical condition today. officer nicholas wilt. 26 years of age. just graduated from the police academy on march 31st. i just swore him in and his family was there to witness his journey to become a police officer. he was struck. in the head that officer out of surgery in critical but in stable condition . the shock of the attack also felt at the highest levels of the state's government. one of
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the victims known to the mayor and governor, one of them was tommy elliott. a very good friend of mine. of the governor's tommy elliott helped me build my law career. help me become governor. gave me advice on being a good dad. he was an incredible friend. officials say the gunmen used an ar 15 style rifle in the attack. investigators are still trying to establish a motive. the governor paid tribute to those lost today. to honor those who have fallen and asked so many families grieve. i'm ordering our flags statewide. fly it. half staff. until friday. omar jimenez, cnn, louisville, kentucky. cnn's ryan young has more on the tennessee vote now. a lot of focus on the state of tennessee and especially the city of nashville. nashville, had a plan vote on monday with
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their city council to see whether or not they could put justin jones back in his representative seat last week, of course, the republican majority at the statehouse in tennessee kicked out two of its members justin j. pearson and justin jones, justin jones case he had the opportunity to go for the city council. they re appointed him and that vote was dramatic. you could see it in his face. in fact, take a look at this video. as you see just the exuberance of the crowd who was excited. they went from that moment and then marched to the state capital. on the capitol steps. he was back to getting a read back in. he had a swearing in service right there on the steps. crowd went crazy as it went back and to finally address that state capital assembly once again today, we send a clear message to speaker cameron sexton that the people will not allow his his crimes against democracy that happened. without challenge. we are calling on house speaker cameron sexton to
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resign. a speaker of the house. he is an enemy of democracy has really shifted now to justin j. pearson he says. he's hoping shelby county puts him back in office. that can happen on wednesday, so both members who were pushed out of their seats may get their seats back. there will have to be a special election. so this is not over just yet, but both members said today we should be focused on what's going on in this country, especially when it comes to gun violence missing with the mashing. it happened in louisville. they're hoping that the country gets behind this and make some changes to some laws. ryan young, cnn, nashville, tennessee. and earlier i spoke with a member of the nashville metro council who was a part of that vote, and i asked her for her reaction to the reinstatement of justin jones. i'm thrilled about representative jones being restored to his seat. the constituents of district 52
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elected him. they are his baby. he is their chosen representative, and so he deserves to be restored to seat of the protests that he staged on the household was just him speaking up for his constituents and getting into what representative jungles would call good trouble, and i think that when you feel like your constituents have been silenced and that they're not being heard, and it's your duty as their elected officials to stand up for them. representative pearson. i'm hoping for the same result that the memphis city council will restore him to his seat because he is the elected representative of district 86. he should be there as well because all he was doing again was representing his constituents and lifting up their voices, and we saw three democratic state representatives up for expulsion last week to expelled by republicans, but one was not glory. johnson who survived her expulsion vote, says she thinks that my i have a lot to do. with the color of her skin. do you agree with that? i
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think the optics are clear. you have to african american male representatives expelled in the older white representative female representatives, not you can't get past the racial undertones of that. and even you know, in 2023, given the history of this country and of the state of tennessee, it looks like it's very racial undertones there and i don't think you can get past it. what did this political drama revealed to the nation about democracy in this country and racism? do you think that democracy is not dead. when the explosions happened. i saw a lot of tweets and democracy is dead and people felt defeated and disillusioned and disenfranchised. and i think the vote today shows that democracy is not dead that it lived, and that sends a message to the country to the world that we need to keep fighting and make sure that the voices of the people are not silence. and what about racism in the country? i think that it shows that racism is not dead as well. and we all
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know that you had your two african american representatives expelled and the older white female representative not expel. you can't get past those racial under tiles, even if there's not an intent to do something that is racist. it looks that way. so you can't get past that. and it still shows that we have a lot of work to do in this country and its world. and that was metro nashville city councilwoman quantity tombs. alright now to new developments and a new deadline in a closely watched medication abortion case in the u. s. a federal appeals court says plaintiffs must respond by tuesday night to request by the justice department and an abortion pill manufacturer. they are asking the court to freeze a judge's order to suspend the food and drug administration's approval of a widely used abortion pill. that order would make the pill unavailable nationwide starting friday at midnight. california massachusetts and washington
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state, all led by democratic governors have announced they have secured in emergency stockpiles of the abortion pills. well the impact of the ruling from texas could soon be filled across the united states . and that has some doctors already preparing for what may come next. cnn's elizabeth cohen has details. at this women's healthcare clinic in ohio doctor david burke cons is telling women who were expecting to get medication abortions next week that they should change their plans are scrambling to change their schedules to get into see us earlier, dr khan says his lawyer told him that starting saturday he can't give the drug price stone for abortions or miscarriages because of a federal judge's ruling in texas . last week, stone in a regiment with another drug called misoprostol, is fda approved for abortion. in up until 10 weeks after the last period, and they've been used safely for more than 20 years. data analyzed by cnn shows
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mifepristone is even safer than some common, low risk prescription drugs, including penicillin and viagra. it is a process still can be used on its own in a medication abortion, but it's not. fda approved that way, studies show it's not as effective and some doctors say it can make a woman feel much worse, were more likely to see failures and therefore more likely to need surgical intervention. after prostate alone. dr erica werner is chairman of the department of obstetrics and gynecology at tufts medical center in massachusetts trained to try to keep people healthy, give them the most evidence based care. and this ruling really jeopardizes that we're feeling demoralized. we're feeling scared for our patients. she's hoping that something will stop the texas ruling from going into effect. we may get advice from lawyers as the week goes on about whether we really need to stop next week. monday u. s secretary of health and human services javier basara vowed that the biden administration would use every resource to
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protect a woman's right to reproductive health care. and i say this. for every woman in america who may need cristo. method, kristen it's still legal for use. mifid crystal is still available today. had we are going to do everything we can within the legal process to ensure that that doesn't change but a clinics around the country it's a lot of uncertainty. they don't know what will happen next if they'll be able to keep giving their patients the best possible care. elizabeth cohen, cnn reporting. still ahead. intelligence secrets laid bare what a trove of leaked documents reveals about us spying efforts and how america's allies are responding. plus the u. s. state department takes a significant step in the effort to bring back a detained american reporter from russia. like his work. if you u have diabetes, getting on
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well the pentagon says it's working to determine the scale and scope of a document leak that's revealing some top secret us intelligence. dozens of the 50 plus classified documents were still viewable on twitter. as of monday, they first appeared on the social media site discord where they went largely unnoticed for weeks. cnn has reviewed 53 pages of documents produced between february and march, some of which marked top secret. they show the extent of us spying efforts on allies, including assessments of the battlefield in the war in ukraine, and intelligence reports on south korea and israel. i am not aware that they have come to any conclusions at this point about where they're coming from. you believe the leak is contained? are there more documents out there that have not been released publicly? is this an ongoing threat? we don't know. it's really don't. so let's go
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reaction now from south korea. cnn's paula hancocks joins us live from seoul. good to see you again, paula. so what more are you learning about reaction from seoul to the pentagon leaks? we'll resume. we are hearing a fair bit of response from officials here in south korea and what they appear to be doing is questioning. the validity of these documents. we're hearing from the presidential office statement that they believe and they claim a considerable amount of the information is quote fabricated, although they give no more details as to that now what these documents appear to show is internal discussions between senior south korean officials talking about a potential deal. well selling ammunition to the united states and whether or not the united states would then send that ammunition on to ukraine. south korea has a policy that they do not give or sell any lethal aid
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to a country at war. so this appears to be the crux of it. but what we've heard this tuesday is that there was a phone call between the secretary of defense in the united states , lloyd austin and his south korean counterpart here in south korea this morning, and according to again this statement from the presidential office. they say that the two defense ministers agreed that some of this appeared to be aggregated now. we have not had a comment from the pentagon. at this point we have reached out to them. there is no readout as to this phone conversation, so this is just coming from the one side at this point, but it appears to be some kind of damage control from the south korean side because the timing is tricky. there's just two weeks until the south korean president yoon suk il heads to washington for a state visit with us president joe biden. so certainly this is not the sort of thing they want to be discussing or talking about. at this point. the opposition parties have said that they believe it is a clear violation of south korea's sovereignty. if
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true, and also question whether this information is just the tip of the iceberg, also here in asia will as australia i should say we've heard from the chief of the australian fence forces general angus campbell. he was speaking at a sydney think tank , the larry institute this morning and he also addressed this issue. the issue of maintaining the security of information is critical to the development of national capability and to the trust and confidence across allies and partners by reports is a serious leak. it is being investigated seriously by us authorities. and they are engaging with partners in order to better understand the potential consequences of that information being released into the public. both australian
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and south korean officials say they are talking to us officials to find out more rosemary. paula hancocks joining us from so many things well, the u. s. state department has officially designated wall street journal reporter ivan gorshkov itch as wrongfully detained by russia. the designation backs up previous assertions that the espionage charges against him are baseless. it also gives the biden ministrations authority to explore options like a prisoner swap to free him. and for more on the story. i'm joined by claire sebastian live from london. good morning again. clear so what is the latest on this? and of course what comes next? this designation came 12 days after evan guess, which was arrested in moscow. that's actually pretty quick with the brittany greiner last spring. it took about 2.5 months from her arrest to reaching that wrongfully detained designation by the state department. they have to go through a process. to get to that point. in this case , the secretary of state had already come out and said that in his eyes evan gorski, which
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is wrongfully detained, so it was not unexpected, but now this means that his case is transferred to the office of the special presidential envoy for hostage affairs. he in the eyes of the u. s. is now essentially a political hostage, his case being handled at the highest levels of government, so that's certainly being welcomed. um certainly by his employer and presumably by his family and friends as well. he does, though, have a more immediate problem, which is that the us has yet to be granted. it says consular access to him, which means that they really have to take russia's word for the fact that he is being treated fairly and humanely in moscow is notoriously formative, a prison where he is now being held. this is something that was brought up at a state department briefing on monday. they are clearly very concerned about this. take a listen. we believe that, um it is a matter of human dignity to ensure that, um mr herskovits can can meet with consular officers. do you have any
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recourse at all? we have a number of tools at our disposal. matt to hold the russian federation accountable. we don't know exactly what tools there are rosemary beyond simply the us continuing to bring this up with russia. as for the next steps in evan gorski, which is case we know, according to state media that his lawyers have filed an appeal that will be heard a week today in court in moscow. russia will say that this needs to play out in the courts. he has been charged with espionage, which carries a maximum 20 year. sentence and until it can go through the courts, they probably won't given past president engaged in diplomatic discussions. but having said that this new designation is wrongfully detained, does certainly put the onus on those political and diplomatic discussions. alright close. sebastian many thanks for that. us president joe biden leaves on a foreign trip in the coming hours to celebrate a major historic event. and his own personal history will go to northern ireland and the
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where president biden will arrive pro union loyalists march monday in their own parades. those marches were peaceful. mr biden plans to mark the 1998 good friday agreement, which the us helped broker it put an end to the decades of sectarian violence known as the troubles. well after bo fast. the president will travel to the republic of ireland to explore some of his own personal history , and cnn's kevin liptak is in belfast, northern ireland. he joins us now live good to see you again, kevin. so what more are you learning about the president's planned visit and what he's hoping to achieve overall. well it really is a personally significant visit for president biden. of course, he's a very proud irish american. he references those roots and a lot of his speeches. he likes to quote poets yates, seamus heaney and a lot of his remarks, and in
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fact, before his trip, the white house distributed quite an extensive genealogical table from the president. dating all the way back to 18. oh three, his great great great grandparents who left ireland to come to the united states, and it really does form a lot of his political identity, this identity of descendant of working class irish folks who came to the united states for a better life. but of course, this trip is about more than just sentiment. the president will be here in belfast to mark the 25th anniversary anniversary of the good friday agreement. that agreement came about with significant american investment . democratic american investment in the form of president bill clinton. and the senator george mitchell. and that's certainly a legacy that the president president biden is very eager to highlight when he's here, particularly at a moment when america's role overseas is being questioned by some republicans. this is the kind of engagement that president biden i really want to point out can yield very
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significant results that do have a real effect on people's lives now. good friday agreement, it is still being tested in some ways. certainly the specter of violence has never completely disappeared. and you saw that a little bit in the marches and dairy yesterday some of the violence you saw there you also see a very significant police presence here in belfast ahead of the president's arrival of accordance of police around the president's hotel, and in fact the threat level in northern ireland has recently been elevated after an assassination of a police officer. so certainly the violence is never far from mind, but also the political solution. in the good friday agreement, this power sharing government here in northern ireland has been paralyzed due to some disputes over brexit trade rules, and that's something that i think the president will want to get resolved as well. and certainly he has been encouraging the two sides to come together and resolve that, but the president will only be here in belfast for around 24 hours before he heads
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south to the republic of ireland for some of those more family style visits in the next coming days for as mary alright kevin liptak joining us live from belfast. many thanks. any may reap is a counselor in mayo county, ireland, one of two counties where president biden's ancestors were from and she joins us now to share the excitement about his upcoming visit. great to have you with us. good morning. absolutely fantastic. speaking with you, president biden first hits to belfast as we said to market 25 years since the good friday agreement, then to the republic of ireland thursday, where he will deliver an address to celebrate the deep and historic ties between the two nations and also explore his family history. so how significant is this and how the people in ireland preparing for this presidential visit. oh my god. i wish you
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were here. it's just unbelievable. the excitement is just purple. if we can't i can't. we can't just get over it. it's we've never, ever experienced anything like us. honestly we're the happiest nation, of course, president bye visit to belfast of the ultimate important, but the fact is coming to a small rural town and male ballerina. that's where the excitement for assess and ultimately is always relations on the other side and calling for the opposite side to us and county loud. it's just i would love you all just to visit barcelona just to see the excitement. we'll definitely have just. reporter will definitely be there. so as you mentioned president biden will visit ballerina, so that is where he is. irish ancestors originated and his planning to meet some distant relatives, isn't he? who will he meet? yes. i understand you have a meeting
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with the blue family, whom now is not on a number of occasions and the burke family and obviously the extended family relations that were still all living in and around ballerina. we're all going to be friends. at this stage, they could feel the window because he was with us as vice president in 2016. that was also very exciting moment for us is absolutely just a lovely man. you feel that you would known so well, i miss him. i personally met him on that occasion. until just so nice. you asked me about my workings and the council and you know, being a politician themselves, understand everything and has time to speak to people. that's the one thing we all noticed, and that's what really endured us to him because i think you know, it says secret service have a hard job to keep it moving along because he wants to speak to everybody, and everybody wants to talk to nowadays, the media focus on band at the moment is very exciting. like you walk the streets. you you can't but
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notice staff from the white house and the president of secret service agents is very obvious when you walk to town about an hour. so that it's just to be there around heading there. now against morning shortly. a lot of work has been done short cases, beauty and its excellence on the world stage. this is an opportunity for us. there's a working group with supporters from the community and the county council, the town council working daily, and as we speak stages being built from. fabulous stage, so it's all hands on at the moment in varanasi. so why do you think it is that this presidential visit is so important to the people of ireland and clearly to you? and how complicated will it be to host him? do you think. all public one. hopefully it won't be complicated, but the public it's a lot of work a lot of work in progress at the moment, but you can see how we just loves
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better now, and he mentions it every opportunity on the world stage that makes all street very proud. we're looking at june news and watching cnn tv, which we're lucky to be able to see nightly and the president comes out of matter where is speaking from the dimensions ballerina that brings a tear to road but his eye that makes it so exactly first. i mean, i can't even explain how excited we just are . he's a lovely, lovely man. and you know, i can see why you're so popular. that is one strongly between better now. i haven't we've we have it's ironic. the ballerina is also twinned with branson. and that's where president biden was born. and as a council 33 of us traveled over this year for the patrick's day parade. just granted. wonderful celebrating 300 years ballerinas . so he's here for all that and to incorporate a lot. like you know, the visitor was is very,
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i'm jessica schneider at the supreme court, and this is cnn. the italian coast guard is working to rescue more than 1000 migrants adrift on separate vessels in the mediterranean coast. guard crews are now escorting one boat with around 400 people on board to the shore, according to officials. there's also a second vote with around 800 people on board and for more we want to bring in bobby nadeau. she joins us live from rome. so, bobby, what more can you tell us about these rescue efforts? you know that boat with 800 people. we are also hearing now that the coast guard is accompanying that boat that comes from some ngos who have recently said that now one of the reasons of the coast guard out there i have not actually unloaded the people onto their coast guard vessels because the seeds are very, very rough, and we've seen time and
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time again. these delicate operations in rough seas. people are overcrowded on these boats. imagine about with 400 or 800. people on it trying, you know, boat comes up to rescue everybody rushes to one side of the boat, the boats capsized. we've seen that time and time again over the years in the mediterranean, so the coast guard is being extra careful. they're going to accompany that vote there right there by their side. those two boats right there by their side in case something does go wrong. of course, this is just a symptom of a larger problem. we've seen so many rivals 28,000 or more so far this year. that is an incredible number. roseberry we don't usually see that sort of a number before the spring weather and you know we're just talking. we're not even the middle of april yet and this is when the season generally starts when the boats start to come when the c start to calm down, so it's just an extraordinary year here in italy and puts a lot of pressure on this new government. rosemary these numbers are amazing, aren't they? and we were talking about 400 additional migrants now with these rescue efforts,
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and this coming as italy is seeing an increase in arrivals like this, so what's the plan to deal? with these incredible numbers. well you know, the italian government under georgia meloni. she won, of course last september on an anti immigration platform, saying they're they're going to, you know, you know, stop the departures and stop the arrivals. and that hasn't happened. one of the issues here there to kind of two things that play. a lot of boats are coming from tunisia. those are generally making it all the way to lampedusa over the last 48 hours more than 1700. people arrived on the island of lampedusa. now that's separate. from these two boats being a red. these people being rescued right now. those boats are larger boats coming from libya. so you've got things happening in two different parts of the mediterranean, and that's putting pressure. you know, all of the people will be processed . those who are quote who will apply for asylum or who qualify for asylum will become refugees . they will be taken care of by the state, but a lot of people
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will be sent back to their country of origin. and, you know, it just becomes a cycle that at the back of all of this is, of course, the multibillion dollar industry of human trafficking. the people who who sell the quote unquote safe passage over that is so often not safe. rosemary indeed. barbie nadeau joining us live from rome. many thanks for that report. simmering tensions in the middle east, boiling over as clashes break out between israeli forces and palestinians in the west bank. palestinian red crescent says more than 200 people were injured near the town of beta, including 22, who were hit by rubber bullets. the israel defense forces say they responded to a riot where rocks were thrown at soldiers, slightly injuring two. this clash happening as israel's national security minister joined thousands of settlers monday in a march to an abandoned israeli outpost, called on israel to legalize the outpost, which is on land the
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palestinians say they own. so let's go live now to jerusalem and journalist elliott got kane. so elliot what's the latest on this and also comments made by prime minister netanyahu monday about his decision to keep his defense minister in his post a lot to cover their plenty going on here. rosemary that's right. well the settlers and the marches who were there in evitar on monday they have left of it remains an illegal outpost and the settlers, including national security minister itamar bank, they will continue to push for legalization, something that's actually the process of which has been going on for some time. there wouldn't be unprecedented to legalize an illegal settler outpost. the israeli government has already announced that it was doing so for nine such outposts in feb. three it says, which were in response to violence from palestinian militants against israeli citizens. at the same time, though, it promised the biden
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administration that it would not legalize any more secular outpost for the coming months. so at some point, obviously, that that somewhat ambiguous time clock will will run out, and perhaps they will proceed with further legalization. but for now, that particular settlement of evita remains an illegal outpost. but as you say , the other thing that we were watching very closely on monday was a reb and unprecedented news conference from prime minister benjamin netanyahu, which he did for three main reasons. i think first of all is to show that his hands are still on the wheel. he is still in control and to reassure his supporters and also israel's enemies. militants in the west bank in gaza in lebanon and syria, who have been attacking israel over the last few weeks that israel will continue and it's still very able to defend itself, despite protests from hundreds of thousands of israelis, including people who are saying that they won't do their military reserve duty to show that israel is
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still able to defend itself and attack when necessary. the other reason was to blame the last government, the now the opposition for the deteriorating security. situation the government, of course, was in power for a year. former prime minister naftali bennett, describing those comments from netanyahu as unladylike. and shameful and the final reason as you mentioned rosemary was to officially rescind his firing of his defense minister, you have gallant. there have been disputes between us even difficult disputes on certain subjects, but i have decided to leave these disputes behind us. gallant remains in his post and we will continue to work together for the safety of the citizens of israel. and your recalled that it was the firing of gallons that prompted mass protests and finally persuaded netanyahu to press pause on those plans for judicial overhaul. rosemary alright elliott gotkine, joining us live from jerusalem. many things for that. new emissions standards may be in the works for the u. s
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