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our city is heartbroken, heartbroken for the loss of friends and loved ones. we must work together to end this plague of gun violence on our country. enough that is the mayor of louisville. good morning, everyone. the nation once again reeling from another mass shooting this morning, coming up . we're learning about the suspected gunman who killed five co workers at a bank in louisville. get to that. plus there is a new report that a key u. s ally was secretly planning to supply russia with rockets. that's according to a top secret document that leaked from the pentagon and a federal appeals court has a big decision to make on a widely used abortion pill. also this morning. we're learning new details about that gunman that we noted there who went into a bank yesterday and killed five of his former coworkers. we just spoke to the interim police chief who revealed that the shooter had recently purchased the gun that he used in yesterday's massacre

enforcement sources, also telling cnn the gunman had recently been notified he was going to be fired from that bank. and then he left a note for his parents and a friend indicating he was going to open fire what he was going to do. then a heavily armed swat team served a search warrant at the shooter's home. here is the video of the moment that they entered the herald's with their guns drawn. the interim police chief told us that she hopes that the items they recovered inside will help them learn more about the motive behind this shooting. cnn's adrian brought us his live in louisville, adrian, obviously still a lot of questions about this suspected about the shooter here about you know the access to this gun that we are told by the interim police chief this morning was recently purchased. what more? are you learning there on the ground? well the chief as you know, caitlyn didn't say whether or not any other search warrants were executed and that will if there were possibly give a clearer picture. she did tell us

about that officer who was sworn in less than two weeks ago. she says he's still critical but in stable condition and we're talking about nicholas whip one thing we know that shooter killed five of his colleagues here at this bank in downtown louisville. among the five deceased. the youngest was a 40 year old father of two and the oldest was a 64 year old. a source close to this investigation tells us the gunmen left a note for his parents and a friend, indicating that he planned to carry out a shooting at the workplace. now it's unclear when or where that note was discovered. we do know the shooter who was 25 started as an intern before becoming time employee. as you mentioned. this shooter got information that he was going to be. terminated. that could possibly

help paint a clearer picture. but one thing that is clear, members of law enforcement responded within three minutes of that 1st 911 call and when the interim chief addressed the officers, she thanked them for showing up, and she also said to them. and i'm paraphrasing here . if we don't do it, who will? and that's something that a lot of folks have been talking about here in town. the bravery of those officers, especially knowing officer wilt there's still fighting for his life. and the idea that he just graduated from the police academy. i guess now it's 12. days ago, he was sworn in actually by the interim police chief. what are they saying about his condition as he is in the hospital? the interim chief told us his condition is still critical but stable. we heard from doctors yesterday, who said the next 24 hours would be critical not only for officer

will, but the other victims who were injured and the victims who were in critical condition. when it comes to determining their outcome, but we do know his road to recovery. will be long, caitlin. yeah it certainly will be. and also we're thinking of those who lost their lives yesterday. tommy elliott, josh barrack jim touch junior juliana farmer. indiana eckert. adrien brody's thank you so much for being there on the ground. i want to bring to you now. this just released new data on the prevalence of gun violence in america, according to a new survey from the kaiser family foundation. about one in five adults say they have witnessed someone gets shot. i had a family member or who was killed with a gun or have personally been threatened at gunpoint, and security correspondent josh campbell joins us now with more josh. i this this eye opening eye popping. really these are shocking numbers. what else decision survey show us as if we needed further proof that gun

violence poses a public health crisis in this country. this new survey data really paints a bleak picture. it's important to note that this didn't ask respondents. what do you think of gun control and asked, how are guns impacting your lives? now let's take a look at some of the data here and some of the overwhelming findings. you can see that over half of those who who were surveyed said that they have been impacted by a gun related incident either themselves personally or a family member. one in 5 20% of americans surveyed had a family member who was killed by a gun either by homicide, suicide or accidentally, and that is, you know, as we get into the mindset of people in this country, or 84% have actually taken at least one precaution to protect themselves or their families from gun violence, and as we look at communities of color and its impact, it's even more unsettling as you look at this survey data 31% of black adults and 22% of hispanic adults have actually witnessed someone being shot. 34% of black adults have

had family members killed by a gun. that number don is twice of that of the white americans who were surveyed and again getting into the psyche. the mindset of the public one in five of black and hispanic adults in america say that they live in fear of gun violence as a constant threat just truly truly unsettling figures in this new study, don josh, i'm interested to hear about this. you had a chance to sit down with the medical expert who laid out the impact guns have on children. tell me about that. yeah that's right. you know, the american academy of pediatrics recommends that, to the extent a lot by law , the physicians talk to their patients talk to parents of their patients about gun safety . how guns are stored and you can see from this new kaiser family study. why that's so important. take a look at this figure. a whopping 75% of gun owners who were surveyed said that they don't store that store their guns safely that they storage practices actually run counter to common gun safety practices such as keeping your firearm locked, keeping it loaded and i talked to one

physician who said that every pediatrician that he knows has treated a firearm related injury . which is why it's so important that parents take gun safety. very seriously. have a listen. guns are the leading cause of death in children and adolescents in the united states . about a third of children in the us live in a household that has a gun, so it's really important that pediatricians talk to families and make sure that they're storing their guns safely having it kept safely locked away with the ammunition stored separately because in an instant a child can get ahold of a gun and have a life threatening injury or lose their life altogether. now some hospitals such as boston, mass. journal for children, events actually instituted novel training programs to get their residents used to routinely asking parents and patients about gun safety practices. but of course, don doctors alone can't solve this problem. if you have a gun, you should be storing it safely, at least according to the staggering new data from the kaiser family foundation that is simply not

happening on a wide scale. all right, campbell. thank you so much. president biden condemning the latest mass shooting, calling on republicans in congress to do something take action on gun violence. it is a message he's repeated a lot mass shooting after mass shooting. as a nation. we all these families more than our prayers. we owe them action. so i again call on congress to pass the salt loans, man enough. do something. we remember and mourn today. but i'm here with you today to act family's worst nightmare that's happening far too often. this country we have to do something to stop gun violence, ripping apart our communities. let's bring in democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut. he was a key negotiator in the previous bipartisan gun talks keeps reintroducing legislation for universal background checks , senator thank you very much for being with us this morning. you know the fact that gun to the leading cause of death in

american children now more than car accidents, the fact that the number of gun deaths for kids is at 50% from 2019 to 2021. but a lot of your republican colleagues have said in recent weeks we've done what we're going to do on guns. so is that what we should tell our kids? we can't because our kids are growing up, um with a devastating crippling fear that we have delivered to them by choice, right? no other kids in any other high income nations worry about whether they're going to survive their day at school or survive their walk to school. i mean, frankly, can't quantify the threat to our kids just by the number of kids who die i live in, you know, a neighborhood in hartford, connecticut that has a high rate of gun violence. i have a group of young 7th and 8th graders that i meet with every now and again just to hear from them. what they want me to be working

on their number. one concern is their walk to and from school school for them is actually the safe place for them. they worry for their lives when they're outside their home in their neighborhood. that kind of trauma, it frankly biologically changes the brains of these kids because they're living through trauma that's similar to what a soldier goes through when they deploy overseas, and it's no coincidence that in these violent neighborhoods you have these underperforming schools because the exposure to trauma and violence is literally ruining these kids ability to learn and adapt. so this epidemic, the scope of it is so much bigger than just the numbers. 100. plus people dying per day were literally losing a generation of kids in some neighborhoods. and of course, the answer is not to stand pat and do nothing. of course, we should be continuing to try to find common ground. try to find the ways that we can work together republicans and democrats to make our laws reflect what the american public want, which is criminals and people with mental illness, not

having access to these very dangerous weapons. senator. listen with all due respect, i'm not contradicting anything that you're saying, but i think you'll agree every time there's a shooting right? you say what you say many others say the same thing. we have to do something. we have to do something. and then virtually nothing gets done. there's a little bit of movement with the biden administration, with some of the moves of that were some of the things that they got past but not enough, nearly enough as we see what's happening. i was interested. listen the real question is so then what happens ? is there room for what happens? you tweeted this just yesterday, you said if guns made us safer america would be the safest place in the world. but the opposite is true nowhere else to students, concertgoers and bank patrons get slaughtered on a daily basis, because, as it turns out, it's all the guns that make us so on. safe so, having said that, then what gives? what is it gonna take to get your republican colleagues to go along for bypass for some bye, bipartisanship and something to be done. so listen,

i think we have to acknowledge that last year we passed the first bipartisan gun safety legislation in 30 years for 30 years from 1994 until 2022, the gun industry owned washington and last summer, we passed legislation that makes five major changes to american gun laws. one of the things it does is put a waiting period on every under 21 buyer in this country so that you can have a situation like we had new baldy, where a young person in crisis goes to a gun store, buys a gun and uses it days later that makes this country safer. but it also suggests that we have seen a paradigm shift in this country that now republicans see the anti gun violence movement as being more powerful than the gun lobby. and so i know my republican colleagues fresh off of that bipartisan bill say they're not ready for more. or bipartisan compromise, but i think the pressure is on. i think parents and kids all across this country are not

going to allow for an action. you really think there's been a paradigm shift of this year? bipartisan area of compromise? i do? i absolutely do. i think today the gun safety movement is at least as powerful as the gun lobby. if not more powerful. we would not have passed that legislation last summer if that were not the case and i get it. we're only nine months since the passage of the biggest bipartisan gun safety legislation in 30 years, republicans are not exactly jumping at the opportunity to take on the nra again, but i think it's just a matter of time before we find that common ground again. senator you're also on the senate foreign relations committee and you look at the newspapers today. that is the other major headline, which is this massive leak. of documents from the pentagon that reveal the us how it's spying on its allies. it's blunt assessments of what's happening in ukraine that don't necessarily match up with what we've heard publicly from officials. how concerned are you about the idea that what we're hearing from the white house? depending on right now is they don't really even know if this leak is contained as of today.

yeah. listen, i'm very concerned about this leak. obviously we have adversaries who are constantly probing at classified information and have experience in releasing that information as a way to embarrass the united states. i haven't received any independent briefing on the extent of the leak nor on the substance of some of these leaks, and so i'm trying to avoid the trap of getting in the business of criticizing the administration about unverified information that has been leaked potentially by an adversary or somebody who is seeking to hurt the united states. but clearly this is a growing problem, the ability of our adversaries to be able to get confidential or classified information and leak it as a means of embarrassing. united states, government leaders or candidates. it's something i think we're goingply serious way going forward. do you know when you'll get that briefing? do you want a briefing? no, absolutely. i mean , i want a briefing on the

logistics right on how this information got out there, but we also need to get briefings on the substance. obviously, you reference to information that suggests one of our chief allies. egypt was considering or was planning to ship weapons, too. russia if that's the case, then it also begs the question. why wasn't congress? why weren't leaders of the foreign relations committee given that information , but i have not received that briefing yet from the administration. we, as you know, have been away from washington for the last two weeks, especially given all the money the us sends to egypt. well let us know when you do. get that briefing. senator, we appreciate your time this morning. thanks. thank you, senator. and just a few hours. president biden is going to leave the white house for his other home his ancestral home, first to northern ireland , and then to ireland later this week where he was going to help commemorate the 25th anniversary of the good friday agreement, the peace deal that was brokered by the us helped bring an end to decades of sectarian violence.

but ahead of the president's visit. masked men were saying here throwing molotov cocktails. police during a pro irish march on monday. cnn's phil mattingly is live from belfast in northern ireland filets obviously a homecoming for president biden. but what are what are the goals of this trip? what's actually going to look like once he's there on the ground? yeah it's deeply personal. there's no question about that. let's start with the front of mind issue, which is i forgot my raincoat in my room and our good friend ali malloy is very disappointed and how i've dropped the ball to start this trip. it's certainly something the president is going to try and avoid on several levels and i think to be more serious about things, while certainly the irish portion of this trip going to ireland going to county louth going to county mayo, the deep familial connections which the white house has produced a document that's about eight or nine pages long. that lays out just how many ways the president and his family is connected to ireland, his first stop here in northern ireland is critical. it comes the day after the 25th anniversary of the good friday

agreement agreement that unquestionably underscored the importance of us engagement and diplomacy and peace talks unquestionably has led to a level of stability and peace. that did not exist in the decades prior and yet still underscores, as you noted at the top, and with those pictures you were seeing from what was happening in derry that there's still so much work to be done. and when the president arrives later this evening, he will be greeted by the uk prime minister tomorrow he will give a speech at ulster university, notably to students to young people, not to the political leaders of the power sharing government that has only sporadically been functioning over the course of the last several years, and at the core of those remarks will be the idea of economic development, his special envoy to northern ireland. for economic development. joseph kennedy will be here as well. talking about the fact that for all they believe they have achieved and accomplished and gained over the course of the last 25 years because of that agreement, there's so much work to be done work that the u. s can certainly help on on the economic front. and then, of course, katelyn polantz into every number of president biden's speeches. they quote irish poets, it will be a very

deeply personal visit to ireland over the course of those days ahead. it will really fill first rule of every foreign trip as you bring a raincoat. yeah no, i failed. i failed. alice judging me, caitlin. she has in a good way, though. of course. all right, phil mattingly, we'll check back in with you in a raincoat a little bit. it is a it's a waterproof suit, though i'm told from a source from a source. alright so nascar and definitely suspending one of its star drivers after he was charged with assault by strangulation. the details. penn also live. look at tulsa, oklahoma, where reparations talks begin today, focusing on the generational trauma from the 1921 massacre on the greenwood neighborhood, also known as black wall street in tulsa is not alone. we have had enough talk is a time for us to act. not flossing. well, then add the woe of listererine to yourur roe

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child that is a misdemeanor for attorney james ellison corresponded with me last night over email. he did not comment specifically on the charges, but he did say that day asia, taylor will be turning herself in later this week. last month, the commonwealth's attorney told us that taylor's six year old son who shot teacher abby's warner, in that first grade classroom on january 6th that he will not be charged in this case, taylor's lawyer previously had told cnn that the boy's parents claimed they kept their gun at their home secured and that the gun was secured with the safety and kept on the top shelf of the mother's bedroom closet. a lawsuit filed last week by the teacher. abby's warner claims that the six year old had been violent at home that he had choked a teacher during the previous school year when he was in kindergarten that also in kindergarten he had touched a female class classmate inappropriately on the school playground and that school administrators were aware of all of this, poppy. do you know? or is there an indication if

they're going to file charges against anyone else here? well it's certainly a possibility that school administrators could face criminal charges popping, but the commonwealth attorney, howard gwyn, has not commented on that so far. diane toscano, the attorney for the teacher, issued a statement to cnn last night on the news of the charging and the mother. here's the part of that statement. quote there were failures in accountability at multiple levels that led to abby being shot and almost killed. today's announcement address. this is but one of those failures. it has been three months of investigation and still so many unanswered questions. remain poppy. the lawyers for that teacher are claiming that these administrators broke virginia state law when they ignored all the warnings about this child. wow brian todd. thank you for following this. sure. also this morning. we're tracking this. nascar suspending cup series driver cody ware and definitely after he was arrested in north carolina and charged with what we're told is assault by strangulation, inflicting serious injury and a misdemeanor charge of assault on a female,

where it was released on $3000 bond after his arrest, he's been driving since 2017 for rick ware racing, which is the team that is owned by his father. he currently sits 31st in the championship standings, and the team says that he missed sunday's cup race. to quote focus on a personal matter happening today. community group in oklahoma is set to begin talks on possible reparations for the 1921 tulsa race massacre . the group says it will hand over recommendations to the city council after a series of discussions, but nothing is binding. the talks come as city officials across the country are wrestling with how to make amends for slavery. edison, illinois is the first city in america to offer some of its black residents, money $25,000 and the reparations task force in san francisco is proposing a lot more $5 million each sentence. nick watt joins us now with more nick. good morning to you explain, please. well good morning. don listen. the vast majority of us can agree that

terrible wrongs have been done to black americans. but when you get into the detail of weather and how we should try to make amends, it gets more complicated and contentious. now this task force in san francisco has spent nearly two years coming up with what is still a draft report. so we don't yet know exactly how many people would qualify or exactly how much it would cost, but it's clear it would cost a lot. we have had enough talk. now is a time for us to act. perhaps giving black people $5 million lump sums and a guaranteed minimum income for at least the next 250 years. those are numbers one and two and the most headline grabbing of 111 draft recommendations made to san francisco's leaders who sound enthusiastic, proud to be an ally in this and you can count on me in this fight. california was never a slave state, but says the committee

that made this list slavery stain exists here that black san francis skins have been brutalized by the police and barred from the best healthcare , jobs, education and neighborhoods. maze giants, uh, major star was unable to buy a home in saint francis because of neighborhood covenants, and it was highly publicized events. he's just one of many people thriving black neighborhoods were largely destroyed in the 19 sixties under the guise of urban development. there were 10,000 plus people that were displaced . 90% of them were black and these families unfortunately, we're not able to pass the wealth of their home ownership over to their children to their grandchildren. yes many people of all colors have been priced out of this picturesque tech capital, but black people more than most. how far does this take us towards writing iraq? it will give people equal opportunity like you've had these draft recommendations cover health housing, the law,

education, job creation, business development all overshadowed by that five million analysis. there's no formula they came up with. okay. what are the damages? how do we compensate for them? they just picked a number out of a hat. i have black and white friends who look at that $5 million and say that is insanity. i think if i did not live in service isco, i probably would look at five. $5 million, like that's an insane amount of money. the reality of owning property here $5 million is not that far fetched. that's how much redfin estimates this house is now worth once. it was owned by a lia done salah odin's grandmother. we were forced to leave san francisco because we didn't have the resources are the funds to keep the property that had been in our family for decades? how do you possibly fund something like that? we'll look at the recommendations work together as leadership with the city and sea was feasible and come up with some ways to garner resources. how could you possibly come up with that much

money? i don't want to sit here and be like asked and answered. like i answered your question and that's my final answer to qualify under the draft got to be 18 plus identify as black african american and meet at least two other criteria among them displaced by urban renewal between 54 73. there won't be thousands of people getting $5 million. you know, in a year's time, but i imagine that there will be some money going out the door. some places where we could see that is the list of people who were displaced from housing . some say no one should qualify . are you responsible for the sins of your ancestors were going to sit down and have the conversation. i need to hear the answer that that's really persuasive. and you haven't heard that? no, no, i am afraid of having cheryl davis has been getting messages from all over the things that you think would no longer still be said, where you call people monkeys or you tell people to go back to africa, or you say, you know, get up off your lazy butt and work. are saying that yeah, i really do hope all of us in city

leadership, especially with these attacks speak up loud and clear and proud in defense of and support. of the reparations advisory committee's recommendations and make them happen as soon as possible. now the final report from that task force is due in june. then the supervisors and the mayor would have to vote. this might also go out to the voters. it might go on the ballot. one member tells me that that five million figure will stay and i'm also told to expect legal challenges. can i just ask you something real quick? do you think municipalities and cities all over the country are watching what happens here? because that is the whole idea about reparations is not just like giving people money. it's about people of color, especially not having the opportunity to build generational wealth as white americans have been able to. listen, the people in san francisco say we are hoping to provide a model for the rest of

the country, but they make it clear we're not providing a model in terms of that dollar figure. they make it very clear that that dollar figure is specific to san francisco because it is such a ridiculously expensive city. but yes, they are hoping this will be a model a beacon that the rest of the country can look to take from and use. and follow nick watt. thank you. thanks to study this morning shows that americans are finding it's actually more difficult to borrow money. what is the impact ? why is this happening? how long can it last? we have none other than the shark tank finance expert kevin o'leary. he is here live, uh, shark infested waters in the studio. hey, i was thinking about going back to school to get my masters. i just saw something g that said you could do it in a year for like 11 k. hmm. order 11? yes, you at 11. 11 11 masters boulevard,

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federal reserve bank found that nearly 60% of americans say it is harder to obtain credit been a year ago. that is the highest level since it began crunching the numbers in 2013. at the same time, consumers say inflation is going to be worse. not better. in the year ahead. let's hope hopefully there's some good news in this interview. joining me now is the chairman of o'leary ventures and shark tank judge kevin o'leary. aka mr wonderful names, a lot of names and a lot of hats right away. that's a k a listen, do you deal a lot with small businesses as an investor? as a ceo. what are you telling me? why is it so hard? why is it so much tougher now to borrow money happened in the last two weeks. what's weeks? i mean, we survey our ceo over 50 investments in private companies and almost every state almost every geography in america and we're constantly in contact with him. and obviously financing particularly receivables. when you're a small business doing 50

million, maybe have 100 employees. you have 60 to 90 days of your sales tied up in receivables with big box retailers. maybe whoever else is selling to. we used to be able to factor that it's called. in other words, borrow against those those receivables at around 7 to 9. today that has gone from 17 to 39% wow, weeks. and so the reason that happens very simple. silicon valley bank sent a shockwave through all the regional banks that do a lot of this factory or hedge funds or private equity firms and money is tight, and it's really hard to borrow now, and jamie diamond was talking to poppy last week of that interview, and he was talking about interest rates staying higher for longer as his prediction. i think he's right. i think inflation and the federal raised another 25 basis points in the main meeting. here's the thing, though the effect of this drying up of capital to small business has not been shown up yet in the cpi data, so i would put up my hand up to the fed and say, let's pause. let's wait and see the effect of this drying up of

liquidity and also let's wait and see what the data says about rent because it's rolling over rents are down in most cities that are not coastal cities, 20% but you don't think that that is going to do what you say you don't think they're going to take a part to play. where i would put up my hand and say wait. pause let's just wait. wait 60 days, but i don't think they're gonna do that. they're probably gonna raise another 25 basis points. can we cool because i have an idea to bring up going to talk about the regional banks. you're saying this all happened with svb and that is that what your is that your idea as well, um, the regional banks. are you saying there is there more of a need for regional banks is or is there less of a need because this ongoing dialogue together right here at this desk, and i'm arguing that will now move to super regionals because they're small guys will not be able to attract. what is that? in other words, do we really need 3000 small banks in america? no maybe we get by with 1000 small banks and the major money center banks

. but all i'm saying is, let the market be the market doesn't matter what i say that what matters with the market says because i personally and i can assure you that there are millions like me do not want to guarantee every single account in every tiny bank because some percentage of them are run by idiots. i'm sorry i said that, but it's true. well in some percentage of big banks are run by idiots. but let's see the market. let the markets be the market. if an idiot is running a bank, they will be forced out of that position, and we should not be forced to guarantee every tiny bank. here's the problem. and i put i pursued you on this. last time we were talking where would you put your own money today with now that you know that these regional banks are so unstable. we disagree on this fundamental because i think small banks are important and what i was going to have an imputed guarantee up to 250,000 . and i'm saying i'm not giving that to you anymore, and so is the rest of america. it is. you are giving it to me, though it is still in place. okay with it haven't gotten rid of that yet. i understand. i understand that. but to the point about small

banks is what jamie diamond was saying in this interview with poppy is saying that he thinks they're important because it's a community bridge. people can go and let me say why. people can go in. they feel more comfortable going into a bank that they know that is run by people they know in a town that they know they can learn more about their finances. kumbaya someone learns more about their let's talk about you any diamond. what do you think he's gonna say? he's got to talk his book. he's getting billions of dollars coming in every week. i'm part of that. i've moved a bunch of money to jpmorgan because it's safer than a small bank. and he's got to say oh, i've got to support the small guys because they're important. he's talking his book he's doing. he's saying the right thing, because frankly, those banks are going to be around 24 months. that's my opinion. did you hear what i was whistling kumbaya was whistling andy griffith show mayberry. we'll continue this saga disagreeing over small banks. did you want to get in on this? just say hi, kevin. i would just say that you know, everyone should read jamie's annual letter that came out about a week ago. talking about how we need a healthy banking system writ large, right ? yes jpmorgan got assets from

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the surveillance video and said quote. it's clear the initial responding officers immediately engaged the shooter. they maintain that officers saved lives, saying there were other people in the building at the time that they arrived. we'll have more for you on that in a moment. meantime the department of justice along with the manufacturer of abortion medication, has asked a federal appeals court the fifth circuit to put on hold the texas judge's ruling that could block access to the drug method kristen across the country, doj lawyers argue. judge cosmetics ruling head quote, upended decades of reliance by blocking the fda approval of kristen and depriving patients of access to the safe, effective treatment based on the court's own misguided assessment of the drug's safety. in its filing monday, the government asked the fifth circuit to stay cosmetics order until this case. goes through the process, and it looks like it's going to be fast tracked in the supreme court with us now is abby glock, professor of law and faculty director of the solomon center for health law and policy at yale law school. she's also professor at yale medical

school, and she served as special counsel, the president biden and special counsel to the white house, covid 19 response team and full disclosure was my professor last year. in law school, civil procedures, etcetera interpretation, the hardest exam i've ever taken. thank you very much, but i just thought of you because you're perfect in terms of your health background and your legal background so why does it matter ? and why did doj appeal this? thanks, poppy. it's great to see you. it's incredibly important that doj appeal this case so first of all, um this case is an unprecedented ruling by a lower court judge substituted his own judgment for the fda as expert judgment that this drug was safe and effective. this ruling has enormous implications for middle presto abortion medication, and that's so important, but it also has implications for the entire spectrum of fda review. it's essential that doj take this ruling all the way up through the appellate process, even to the supreme court, if necessary. to reverse the lower court ruling, which could really

cripple fda review for democrats and some republicans like nancy mace, who said on this program yesterday just ignore it. they're saying no, this has to go through the legal steps. there's a process here. so on the one hand if you just ignored the ruling, they're sort of acknowledging that it exists and you're not actually fighting it in the fda shin and do that, and after we follow through the entire spectrum of appeal, there'll be time and room if the rule of law does not get upheld for the biden administration to open its toolkit and make sure the drug is effective because you worked so closely with the biden administration in the white house, as special counsel to the president on these medical issues of covid 19. what really can the biden ministrations do here? if the court of the fifth circuit doesn't go in their way, or if it goes to the supreme court? they don't go that way. what can the biden administration do? because this looks like the first time a judge has ever ordered the fda to pull something from the shelves it has been deemed safe for more than two decades. let me just back up. it is an unprecedented ruling. it is the first time that a federal judge has substituted his own independent judgment or its own judgment for the expertise of the fda. right

so the first thing that biden administration has to do is it asked to get this ruling reversed. we cannot have cases where people are allowed to challenge drugs 20 years after they've been approved when they've been shown safe as effective. and get pulled off the market. it would completely undermine the entire pharmaceutical legitimacy of the pharmaceutical market, literally , like the fifth circuit is going to be a challenge. no if he okay, so god forbid we get to the supreme court and the supreme court does not uphold does not reverse the case as i think it will, because they can't has a lot of laws and we can talk about some of the flaws in the plaintiffs don't have um, submission concrete injury. they're suing 23 years late way past the statute of limitations on the vitamin inflation has options. um people talk about exercising enforcement discretion. they talk about re approving the drug. but i just want to say that's incredibly premature because you don't want to have this precedent on the books. for any drug, right? so it's important that mr preston is we really need to think about this and the big picture of the legitimacy of the fda. so let's just finally take this too. if it does go to the supreme court,

because right now the case the judge kaczmarek roldan was a statutory case, right? but if it goes to the supreme court, constitutional questions will come into play right. the supremacy clause, the commerce clause, etcetera, but dobbs overturning roe versus wade told us that court told us the majority states rights. this is the opposite of that, right. so this case is a statutory case in the sense that it goes to the authority of the fda and our deference to their expert judgment when it gets to the supreme court is going to be inevitably linked to dobbs, which is the case that over world roe versus wade, where the court said as you said that we're leaving the abortion decision to the states and in the supreme court, the court is going to have to ask, does this decision which does the opposite, which issues an injunction against the entire provisions of the pill for the whole country? um does that conflicted with the court understood to be the landscape it was setting forth in the court do that. i mean, overrule essentially what they they make an opposite argument of dobbs. i

think it's sort of apples and oranges because in this case we're talking about a statutory. in this case we're talking about a statutory rulings with the court is going to be focusing on in this case is whether we want any federal court and any issue on any drug, substituting their expert scientific judgment for the fda. it's gonna have implications for the dobbs ruling, but it's not going to be on the same legal terms. professor gluck. thank you very much. thanks for having me be right back. with fast signs. signage t that gets you noticed turns hot lots into homes. that signs make your statement. we need a small business loan fast . i got this loan falc. there's a better way to get a fast small business loan on deck dot com and if approved, get your funds as soon as the same day your loan is on deck. the day you get your clear choice

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