long time in when president biden was in office. all these years, they have announced a night badges of arms sale to taiwan. and we have also been increasing our military training so that we are ready at any moment if china wants to launch a war against taiwan, and i think in in in a war situation, the determination is probably more important than the military equipment. and, um that note, i would say that taiwan is absolutely determined to fight for our freedom. and 254 our sovereignty and we are ready to defend ourselves. but hopefully china will not. and erin burnett outfront starts right now. outfront next under fire police just releasing the body camera videos from the deadly mass shooting at a louisville bank,

including the moment officers are ambushed by the gunman, plus the new york prosecutor who indicted former president trump now taking on a top house republican details on the lawsuit just filed and jailed russian opposition leader alexey navalny's health quickly deteriorating his team raising concerns he may have been poisoned, again investigative journalist who was featured in the film navalny is my guest. let's go, outfront. good evening, america hill in tonight for erin burnett. outfront tonight ambushed. we're getting our first look at the moment when police arrived at the louisville bank, where gunmen killed five people this week. the video is perhaps not surprisingly hard to watch. what you're about to see, though, is an officer running toward the gunman. when he's ambushed.

1 30 back and we're making entry from the from the east side, pressing the main. so once the officer is able to determine where the shooter is. he then opens fire. killing the shooter. i do want to warn you once again. the video it's graphic. and they all got him down. i think he's down. you're doing after off now. you can do the stairs.

i think he's down. now do you get the officer? hey, hey, hey. no, he's down the officer. so the gunman's body is blurred . it was there on the ground inside the bank, and this is really the reality of what police are up against in this country, weapons of war. in a moment, i'll speak with someone who worked with officer nicholas

will. he's the 26 year old. who rushed toward the gunman was shot in the head tonight. he is in critical condition. would you begin with adrian broadus? who's outfront live in louisville? so, adrian? what more are we learning today? what's the very latest erica. we saw those tense moments on folding on that body camera video. indeed what happened on the steps behind me leading to the bank was awful. but the deputy chief of police says the response by members of law enforcement was amazing. he did say this wasn't a perfect response, but it quote absolutely saved lives. it! junior has an angle on that officer. we need to get out there. i don't know where he's at the glasses blocking him. louisville police just releasing this body camera footage. it shows the tense confrontation with 24 year old connor sturgeon after he fatally shot five of

his fellow bank employees stop stop. back up. back up! back up back up here. stop right there. open the job. the video begins with officer nicholas wilt and his training officer corey galloway, running towards the steps of the bank. that's when more shots are fired at them. this is when both officers are hit. we don't see officer wilt get hit, but we do see officer galloway fall backward and then down a set of concrete steps. moments later, more shots are fired between him and the suspect. they are going down. i think he's down. you're doing after all now. you can do the stairs. that's when the gunman is killed for people to react. by staying there staying in the fire. and going back inside the scene. keeping themselves in danger. that's superhuman police

also releasing these two still pictures one showing the suspect inside a bank hallway before the shooting and one of him in the lobby area of the building where he waited for officers. authorities say it was a targeted attack with an a r 15 style rifle. he texted a friend called a friendly voice mail. he's going to kill everyone at the bank. stealing food battle. and livestream the attack on instagram. it was later taken down, a city official who has seen the video tells cnn. you can hear a female coworkers saying quote good morning to the gunman. then the shooter is heard telling her quote you need to get out of here. the official says the gunman then tries to shoot, but the safety is on and the weapon isn't loaded. and once the weapon is loaded, and the safety is off. he shoots her in the back. her condition is not known. more than a dozen

people were shot. police say they have executed a search warrant on the gunman's home and determined he purchased the weapon just six days before the shooting. he purchased the weapon legally. from one of the local dealerships here in louisville. now another community tries to wrap its head around devastating gun violence , including dr jason smith, weary there's only so many times you can walk into a room. and tell someone they're not coming home tomorrow. and it just breaks your heart. for 15 years , dr smith has treated clearly is carrying some emotional wounds, but he's not alone. so are the officers who responded and today, the deputy chief of police said. there's only a few in the country that can do what they did. he was talking about his officers. he says. it's not something that

comes easily. it's not something that comes naturally. he called that superhuman. erica adrien brody is outfront tonight in louisville. adrian thank you also with us. josh campbell, who of course, covers national security, guns and law enforcement for cnn's josh, if we look again at the moment when officers wilton galloway arrived and approached the bank, i just want to play that for a moment. take a look. 1 13 banker. we're making entry from the from the east side, pressing the main. these moments, they come up. the shots are fired or watching as they fall back to better assess the situation. you spent so much time josh studying videos like this. what do you see here? well this is truly heroism on

display. i mean, think about it. everyone watching you see officers nicholas wilt and c. j. galloway responding to calls of an active shooter. they drive up and immediately as the shooter sees them in their vehicle. he opens fire and what do they do? they don't drive away. they get out of their car. they drive, grab their service rifle and then go try to stop this threat, and it's at this point on your screen here where officers are actually walking by this glass that the shooter opens fire on them again. now, officer wilt is injured. he's shot in the head. he's on the ground. and what we're seeing here is body camera footage from officer galloway and what we see here. you know, people might be wondering. well why didn't they go in? why didn't they rush officers are continually collecting information real time about what's happening. it's clear that is the officers themselves . who are the ones drawing fire from the shooter now if the shooter moved into the bank further if they heard the sound of gunfire becoming more faint, they might realize okay, he could potentially go after additional people inside, but it is a tactical advantage for officers to stay there and draw him out as they wait for backup

. and, of course, as we see on that body camera footage, you can actually see the shell casings from officers. galloway's rifle they're rejecting as he fires, wood appears to be the fatal shot and taking down that shooter, so just incredibly dramatic footage there and it really shows you again. just the dangerous nature of this profession. officers who have to go into gunfire into dangerous situations here. we're seeing it for ourselves on this body camera footage. absolutely they're trying to draw him out to your point to hopefully protect other lives. perhaps inside josh really appreciate the insight, as always, thank you. you. you're back out front. now. colonel debra bury the director of old man, henry county e. m s. and that's where officer nicholas will worked before he joined the police force sworn in less than two weeks ago. good to have you with us tonight. you know, as josh just laid out for us there as we heard from deputy chief humphrey earlier today when walking us through that body camera. video these are heroic, superhuman, in the words of the deputy chief moments that we're witnessing in the time that he spent with you

at e. m s. what did you see? an officer will design enter it, understand it. you weren't surprised at all when he said that he wanted to be a police officer. not at all. that was that was it so proud. knowing that, um, he exemplifies worked for us here at oldham county e. m s for two years. his smile was the first thing i noticed when i met him his quiet confidence and he had a personality and a spirit that transcends um any act of violence so that they could ever occur. he is a true hero. we're very proud of him. when you first heard that he had been injured, we know that he is still in critical condition tonight. what were your initial thoughts? my thoughts were for r. e. m s family s. the news travels fast our thoughts before his family and for his police family. we wanted to be at the hospital. we traveled to the hospital and we were able to

join the family enjoying the police officers that were involved to let them know that we were here for them and that we, we love them and we support them in any way we can family holding up. about as well as can be expected. um they're strong. um and we just want to let them know that whatever their needs are, we're here to meet them. i want to show you if i could again some of the video that we saw from officer wilts body camera. we know they were shot at as josh's walked us through before they even got out of the car. this is really only a few days. onto the job for officer wilt knowing him so well, um people, calling him a hero, calling him superhuman for you to see those ones. i know. you said it was difficult. how important do you think it is, though? for this message to get out about the reality of what police officers are facing, often on a daily basis. stop right there. so important. i know that he's only been a police officer for you days, but

he's been a first responder, a firefighter and emt for several years. he never never turned away from any type of act that a lot of folks would run from he as the utmost professionalism and anything he'd ever done for us. i'm sure for the fire department, but he's a first responder at heart. he told us of several weeks before he went to the academy that he's wanted to be a police officer. that was his dream. of course. we told him, we said, are you sure this is what you want to do to step out of your safe zone? uh in order to protect and serve, and he said, that's what i've always wanted to do was protect and serve. yeah we're very proud of him. we told him that he always had his place here. oldham county gms whenever you wanted to come back, he told us he was going to come back and still on our roster and st. keep him on that roster. um colonel debra berry. thank you for joining us tonight and thank you for sharing a little bit more. about who officer wilt is. we appreciate it. thank you. thank you so much. outfront next. the

district attorney who indicted donald trump now filing a lawsuit against the top republican, claiming the attacks on his criminal case have led hundreds of threats, plus the family of the wall street journal reporter detained in russia is speaking out we're also getting an extremely rare look inside this notorious prison where he is being held its a story first on outfront a new details about the investigation into highly classified pentagon documents leaked online. could there be more documents to come? yeah. mhm batman. does it like a snack man? wonderful pistachios get cracking. first all, it's a beautil, shape, connected, consistent community. it's meant to be inclusive. circle we build us dc digital dollar. that's

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too much common place to find a place? tonight a transparent campaign to intimidate and to attack that is the accusation. manhattan district attorney alvin bragg is making it a lawsuit filed against republican house judiciary chairman jim jordans bright suing jordan to bring a stop to the republican attacks on the criminal case against former president trump bragged also seeking to block jordan's subpoena, compelling testimony from a former top prosecutor in the manhattan days office. carrots canal joining us as jordan's now fighting back at bragg over that lawsuit, so it can bring us up to speed. what more do we know about the suit? and, of course, also this reaction? yes i mean, this is kind of this back and forth that has existed between the house republican chair jim jordans in and district attorney alvin brags, brags filing this lawsuit today, asking the judge to grant a temporary restraining order or preliminary injunction essentially wanting the judge to

block a subpoena for a former top prosecutors testimony that that part rescuer mark pomerantz resigned last year. they're also asking the judge to find any future subpoenas for brag or any current or former prosecutors. to be invalid. the reason, they say, is that this congressional inquiry is unconstitutional, saying that congress the federal body doesn't have place to intervene or ask questions about a local or state prosecution, which is the issue in this case . they also say there is no valid legislative purpose, and in addition, they argue that because this is involves a grand jury, there are secrecy laws here and that congress is not entitled to that information in the lawsuit they write in some congress lacks any valid legislative purpose to engage in a few three ranging campaign of harassment in retaliation for the district attorney's investigation and prosecution of mr trump under the laws of new york. this lawsuit also ties the house republicans to trump's verbal attacks on the d a brag saying that you know they were involved with him in this and brags office, saying that they

have received over 1000 emails and calls that are either threatening in nature or racially charged since trump made that false claim that he was going to be arrested on a random tuesday he was later arrested, has pleaded not guilty to the 34 counts of falsifying business records. and now jim jordans has tweeted a response to this tonight, he said. first they indicted president for no crime. then they sued a block congressional oversight when we ask questions about the federal funds, they say they used to do it now brags office has said that they have donated or contributed over a billion dollars in federal funds, fortune forfeiture funds they got from bank settlements. they said. they used about $5000 on this investigation, most of it going to the supreme court to fight to obtain trump's taxes. the judge in this matter is not immediately granting this but says she will hold a hearing on this matter. next wednesday, erica mark your calendars next wednesday care. appreciate it. thank you. outfront now ryan goodman, former special counsel for the defense department and co editor in chief of just security, and dana bash, cnn, chief political correspondent

and co anchor of state of the union. so ryan picking up really there where carol left off when we look at this, so bragg asserts that jordan has no constitutional oversight here, right? he is totally overstepping, and also, you've got jordan's pointing to this $5000 is chara just laid out and federal funds, which he says the da's office used in this investigation into president trump. who has firmer legal ground here. so bragg has a lot of firm ground. it's unusual because in many ways the courts do defer to congress's powers to engage in oversight. part of the issue here is that he needs jim jordan needs a legislative purpose. he has shifted the rationale for why he needs he is interested in the case. there's also this delicate dance that has to be made with congress and however they're trying to subpoena is called an accommodation process. but jordan has kind of blown through that. i don't think he's being advised by oversight lawyers. i think he's more thinking about tv screens, so he was prematurely sent the letters to brag before there was no indictment. who knew what the charges were. then he skip

certain steps. you're not supposed to skip steps because brags office said, we'll meet and confer with you. just rejected that, and then he's escalated it by this idea of having a field hearing in new york about an unrelated matter in a certain sense, crime rates and manhattan supposedly, so that is not something that the courts will look at very favorably at all. so we'll see what so they won't look at that favorably. it's interesting. you bring up a point that i was going to bring up with dana. so thank you for setting that up so perfectly when we when we look at the politics of this gym, jordan's has said as we know that these investigations are pure politics. just this lawsuit help or hurt that perception, dana. you know, talking to republicans who are kind of involved in this, they don't know the answer to that. to be honest, because of what we were just hearing there is so much unknown. i mean, obviously starting with the notion of an indictment for a former president. that's the biggest unprecedented move. but even

these kinds of back and forth i'm sure that there have been examples of congress trying to through weigh in on issues before courts before in american history, but certainly in this particular case, it does seem unique. and so it's unclear how much actual standing uh, really has yes, as you just said erika . the jordans tried to hang his head on it still trying to hang his hat on the idea that alvin bragg in new york used federal funds, and then that gives congress away in for oversight. but there's so much more to this lawsuit is as against jim jordan's not the least of which is this idea that fracked doesn't want a former prosecutor in his office who is gone out and written a book very critical

of the fact that they had an initially gone after trump doesn't want him to be in front of congress in front of the tv cameras, and so as we wait to see all of that, it's also interesting to point out in this lawsuit. there's specific mention of the attacks from the former president on alvin bragg , calling him an animal. there's this image which will show you which you've likely seen. it was post and on social media. trump who appears to be wielding a baseball hat at bragg's head. the suit also alleges that the former president's statements have had a quote powerful effect that d a brag has received multiple death threats, even going on to mention this package containing a suspicious white powder with a note making a specific death rent against him . how does including that detail in this lawsuit, ryan bolstered the case for brag. so i think it bolsters the case because greg is also trying to make the argument that there's some coordination going on behind the scenes based on some reporting between trump and jordan, and that they're kind of working in

lockstep and that jordan is feeding into this process of also trying to disparage brag, and i think that's partly what greg is raising here as part of the atmosphere around which this is occurring, so this is politicized in different dimensions, and he's raising one of the serious concerns that i think many people will have about the situation. ryan goodman, dana bash. appreciate both joining us tonight. thank you. outfront next new concerns about the health of jail putin critic alexei navalny, we are now learning he's lost £18 over the last two weeks, a file and covering audio of the head of michigan's gop spreading wild conspiracy theories about beyonce. she's really targeting trying to target black people into embracing paganism. introducing the sleep number climate 3 60 smamart bet only smart but in the worldd that actively cools. warms. and effortlessly responds to both of

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that he went back to russia against the wishes of putin because putin really wanted him out. he made everything possible to prevent his return and, of course, now from within jail, navalny continues. to essentially ridiculed putting in the war effort by being a very vocal opponent of the war. so of course there is the motivation. is there the capability? yes. i mean, russian um if his be scientists have worked for years for decades, essentially on slow acting poisons, something that looks like a long term battle with with the virus or bacteria that would not look like they've been poisoned, and it would be different if he just falls down from in convulsions, like from the knowledge of poisoning that would not pass the smell test. but if he's taking several months and losing weight on a daily basis, basically is losing a pound a day at this point, and it becomes a message message over time, then that could be passed to the public to the russian public as all he just died. if this is the case, if

this is maybe what's happening? to him inside that prison. how involved do you think vladimir putin could be? are these instructions that would come all the way from the top? the reputation costs whatever there is reputation cost in russia these days will be paid by putin so that i cannot imagine this scenario in which under normal conditions put in would not have given the order for that. now in the war moment that we are today , you have to also start understanding that russia is splintering the elite to the paralegal, splintering there different factions that are fighting with one another. there's precaution who has his own power central, and i can imagine these days that it could be something unsanctioned, but typically, i would say it has to come from the top. you've also said that you don't think this is the only threat that's facing navalny in prison. what else is looming? there have been over the last months. suggestions and something very specific came as a leak for more as a tip off from some of the prison officials warnings to nirvana

himself of pending provocation. this is a favorite word for the russian secret service is provocation. meaning is sort of a false flag. um brawl fight something that happens between inmates that start fighting with one another. and suddenly somebody somebody steps navalny . this is the tip of he received again. i do not excluded. this is something that is planned either by the kremlin or somebody like precaution, who who wants to deliver a result to the kremlin is organizing that we know that precaution has access to essentially unimpeded access to prisons. and he controls a lot of the warden's through corrupt manners. so i can imagine that happening as well will need to and we will continue to keep a close eye on it. appreciate coming in tonight. thank you. well alexey navalny is not the only one. as we know, languishing in a russian prison. we're also keeping a very close eye on developments involving evan gersh devic. his family. he of course is the wall street journal reported detained in russia, his family speaking out

after speaking with president biden for the first time since their son's arrest, they say the president told them the u. s is doing everything in its power to bring evan home. this comes as cnn gets a really rare look inside the notorious prison where he is being held. it is a story you'll see first on outfront. matthew chance is in moscow for us. it looms under tight security. near the center of moscow, the walls of notorious lefortovo prison some of russia's worst criminals. the kremlin's bitterest critics. and now us reporter evan gorshkov itch too. locked away here last month on charges of espionage. he denies us diplomats tell cnn they've still had no access to him whatsoever, but we met one of the few people who has the head of russia's prison observation committee agreed to

speak to cnn, even though the gersh covic case has been designated secret. by the russian state. there are strict limits, though, to what he could tell us on the border. he was cheerful enough. i can't say that there was any physical or psychological pressure replied to him. we made sure to ask him that, and he confirmed that there wasn't any. then we talked about the conditions of his detention his day to day life on whether or not he is in need of medical attention, but we have not uncovered any problems. in fact, herskovits appeared calm. he told me unlike many who find themselves trapped cut off from the outside world behind lefortovo those walls we always lucia. yeah, but in the case of ceviche, i would probably say he was not shocked. you couldn't say that he was happy or that he envisaged this development. he simply took it calmly. that's all. but even a glimpse inside lefortovo can be unnerving. come

this was rare access granted to russian state television more than a decade ago. even russians are fascinated with the prison infamous for holding dissidents where the old kgb executed countless soviet citizens. officials tell us these facilities have now been renovated, but the layout designed to limit contact between detainees remains unchanged, as does the same old prison regime. ratboy callers at six am lights out at 10 breakfast, lunch and dinner. morning day evening. there's an inspection every morning. they ask if there are any problems, they deliver mail parcels deliveries from a shop. this routine will include trips to court if there are any and meetings with lawyers and investigators, etcetera just.

under walk. the authorities have to let prisoners walk for an hour every day. i want to tell the world that i'm a victim of political kidnapping ransom. us citizens have passed through the four tivo before, including former marine paul whelan, who was held there before being convicted of spying in 2020 and sentenced to 16 years in a penal colony. another u. s marine veteran trevor reid, released in this prisoner swap last year. described lefortovo as the most sinister of the six russian jails where he was held. i don't even know if i'd yelled out, he told the wall street journal. the other prisoners could have heard me. and it is that sense of being unheard of isolation behind these walls that evan gush devic may now be feeling too. even if outside there's a

growing clamor to set him free. hmm. well, erica tonight the u. s. secretary of state, antony blinken has slammed the failure to grant consular access to this wall street journal reporter saying it puts russia once again in violation of its international commitments and further damages. moscow standing around the world back to you, matthew. chance live for us in moscow. what a look inside that prison. appreciate it. thank you. outfront next the secretary of defense tonight, breaking his silence about the classified documents that were leaked documents a complaint contained top secret information about america's allies, plus cnn's k file and covering controversial and bizarre comments from the head of michigan's republican party. hello t there. lemonade 5 , please enough inflation undo

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because thousands of people had access to the documents. documents which included recent intel on the war in ukraine and us spying efforts on its allies and enemies out front now. douglas london, former cia counterterrorism chief for south and south west asia, and the author of the recruiter, spying and the lost art of american intelligence. i appreciate you joining us today. as this investigation unfolds, officials concede at this point they really don't know yet whether the threat is contained whether more leaks are possible. given that these documents first appeared on discord, this is a social media gaming platform. people aren't familiar with it. how likely do you think it is that we could see more documents leaked. well from what we've seen, erica, it doesn't seem like this was a professional espionage operation. this was the actions of at least one person and their motivations still remain questionable. but the choice of the gaming platform would suggest there was something more personal involved , and it would suggest that he or she didn't take the greatest steps to protect their trail,

and there's a whole great number of audit measures that are available on the i t systems in the u. s intelligence community, so well, i certainly understand that suggestion by justice that they want to be thorough. it will take some time. i don't necessarily believe it will take quite that long to identify the suspect or suspects. what do you say to your point that this doesn't seem all that professional to you? we know that the motivation right now remains unclear. as far as we know, but the lead materials they do appear to show these photos of documents that the big crumpled up. they've been wrinkled. someone described as if they've been shoved or folded into a pocket in some way does that give you any more insight as to who in your mind could be behind something like this? well there's a great number of possibilities because it's not necessarily people who had direct access to the documents. officially it's possible that the person received these documents as part of an email. perhaps they're part of a group. or perhaps somebody was just showing off the nature of the folding of the documents and the way they were photographs suggest they were printed. but if they were printed off a

classified system, they would have been printed in classified spaces that we call a skiff for compartmented information. but that would have been someplace pretty dangerous to take photographs. and we're camera phone wouldn't be available so they would have had to take them out, at least to the break room or someplace outside there, but they're taking a risk of transport and outside the building because there are random checks at all. u. s government agencies interesting to see what this investigation ultimately reveals about whether there need to be any changes to some of those systems. before i let you go the documents. there's been a lot made of what's actually in the documents a fairly pessimistic view from the u. s side about the state of the war in ukraine, talk of these intelligence and weaknesses when it comes to ukraine's weapon. marie defenses. the prediction. the war is going to be a stalemate, but i know you think russia's response to this leak. actually shows how concerned russia is how so? you know, it's interesting, erica. having chased the russians for so many years, the fact that they came out quite so quickly and in somewhat amateurish way to get these documents online and manipulated as they did, and rather evidence fashion suggests their word. and indeed, the truth is as big a problem for

putin as the leak of the information is for us, because he's so concerned about a narrative that protects his position at home by showing strength and control depictions of russian failures to tremendous losses and troops and materials and the weakness. command are not going to do him well for his political chances. douglas under really appreciate insight tonight. thank you. thank you, erica. coming up in the next hour is a 3 60 exclusive, you'll hear from two americans who were kidnapped in mexico by a cartel saw their friends murdered. and somehow made it out alive. they tell anderson their story for the first time. right here on cnn at eight o'clock outfront next, the head of michigan's gop not only spreading conspiracy theories about the election. but also about beyonce and other top musicians. why are katelyn polantz new details about what can and cannot be brought up in that $1.6 billion defamation case against fox? i

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recently faced harsh backlash for defending this highly offensive tweet comparing gun control to the holocaust. well now, cnn's k file has uncovered a long history of eyebrow raising comments, including this one. about beyonce. she's really targeting trying to target black people into embracing paganism. and one of the really interesting things is that her husband, jay z is many people have said as a satanist, um i believe it to be true. i mean, i don't even know how you answer that right out front. now the senior editor of cnn's k file andrew kaczynski, and harry antin, who has some eye opening numbers on how election deniers like christina karamo are faring with voters. let's start with you in terms of what you uncovered. i have to say i heard that beyonce jay zoom moment and i'm just left speechless. what else did you find in terms of these past? outlandish statements grumble sort of came onto the scene in 2020 when she was she was a poll watcher. uh

and she claimed there was fraud in detroit. people probably remember trump was really making many of these poll watchers who made these false allegations of fraud almost like celebrities. um and she parlays this into running for michigan secretary of state in 2022, she loses badly. but prior to this in 2020, she had this podcast where she posted videos made comments , and i just want to run through for our viewers, just some of the things that she said here she accused beyonce, jay z, ariana grande and billie eilish of being tools of satan said the sexual revolution was a well orchestrated, thought out planned by satan. said black lives matter was nothing but marxism and satanism in blackface accused black lives matter. leaders of being marxist witches said she doesn't believe in vaccines called abortion, child sacrifice, and said acceptance of lgbt q americans

and gay americans transgender americans would eventually lead to the normalization of pedophilia. i want people to listen to also this clip here where she suggests that, um, demonic possession is transferred via sexual intercourse. if a person has demonic possession. i'm not going to sound really crazy me saying that for some people think i'm like what but having intimate relationships with people who are demonically possessed or oppressed. i strongly believe that a person opens themselves up to possession possession is real. hmm. wow. and. it doesn't mean just leaves. it leaves me speechless to hear the i mean, she says. this is what she believes. but this is a woman who's now the head of the republican party in michigan state, and it's interesting why why is this important? well, it's very important to republicans in michigan, because this is a state that republicans , you know, they have a plan. this is a state that recently

had a republican governor. this is the state that donald trump won in 2016, but last cycle, which they're running against the backdrop of an unpopular democratic president. they lost the top three seats. they lost the governor, attorney general secretary of state, her loss was the most lopsided 1 14 points. and what is the state party chair supposed to do? they're supposed to do. get out the vote. they're supposed to help fundraise. they're supposed to help local candidates and there are serious questions. if somebody who's who's made these comments as an activist is going to be able to do that job effectively. we did, you know, obviously reach out to her before we did this story, and we didn't we didn't hear back and again. i think you lay out so beautifully and why it's so important that we pay attention to these comments. so, harry, when we look at this, she is a prominent election denier. as we know, as you pointed out, she lost that state race in 2022. what if the numbers tell us about how election denial played with voters. it didn't it played

quite poorly, right? i you know, andrew is kind of pointing it out. we all went in this midterm election. a lot of folks like me you saw president joe biden's approval rating in the low, 40 say republicans are going to do very well because there's normally a backlash against unpopular presidents. but they didn't why. well, look at the electoral penalty that voters assigned to those who believe in election and denialism. five points in the margin, five points in the margin in major statewide 2022 rations racist and while five points may not seem like a lot, you know, in states like michigan and states like arizona states like georgia, close states that five points can make all the difference in the world. and specifically, if you're talking about the senate, right, said it was super important as we know that's exactly right. and you know, our exit polls had an interesting question. they basically rated the democratic and republican candidate said. do you have, um, is too extreme and what happened in those races? it turns out in the vast majority of the competitive races. more voters in those key battleground states said that the republican candidates were too extreme as compared to the democratic candidates. so the

fact is, this is not just something that you know we're just seeing the polling data. it's something we see in the real election data election denialism simply put, does not play with the american public. there's a lot of talk about the impact of donald trump on the candidates he endorsed in 2024, but as we look ahead to 2022 through 2022. rather as we look ahead to 2024. he's a candidate leading in the polls right now among republicans. what effect has this base first strategy of his had this election denialism on how the general public views him. it's something that's so interesting. you know, when you look back on 2016, i think a lot of people forget that more voters actually vote said that hillary it's said that donald trump was moderate than hillary clinton, look at the percentage of voters are americans. adults at large, who said that trump was very conservative back in 2016 look at that. it was only about 20% among those who had an opinion. look at it. now it's over 50% so the fact is, trump's statements have certainly had an impact, and not in a good way

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