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the second time in two weeks. we have body cam video showing police doing things right in the face of a mass shooting two weeks ago, it was the school in nashville tonight. it's a bank in louisville and even as the mind boggles at the sheer pace of mass murder, even as it makes you heartsick to imagine the lives taken. there's at least evidence tonight that this latest tragedy, five killed several others seriously wounded yesterday, including a rookie police officer. was not compounded by the lack of effective response on display and you've all the texas what you're about to see is body camera footage from louisville metro police officer corey galloway's camera. this is seconds after he and another officer, rookie nicolas will to arrive at the old national bank in downtown louisville and seconds before they engaged the killer. wanna warn you what you'll see is what these officers saw, and it is, at times graphic watching baker. we're making entry from the from the east side, pressing the main .
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police officers doing they were trained to do for the second time in so many weeks. cnn's omar jimenez joins us now with more from louisville, so footage from multiple body cameras was released today. talk about what what? what else it showed well, anderson has this video is being released, police leadership told us it's easy to tell an officer to run towards gunfire. it's a lot harder to actually do it, and that's what we see in this video. and all of this is happening just minutes after people were already killed inside. stop! stop! back up. back up. back up! back up. the video starts as officers pull up to the scene. on the job, something back around, and we do have two parts body camera video from officer nicholas wilt shows him approach the bank with the pistol. hold it, partner in training officer veteran corey galloway is wearing a camera too
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long gun from the trunk. and moments later engages the shooter. his partner, officer wilt is shot and down in front of the bank, galloway tells arriving officers to look for a better angle. the shooter has an angle on that, officer. we need to get out there. i don't know where he's at the glasses blocking him. and then. they got him down. i think he's down. now get the officer. okay? no, he's down
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the officer. it's extraordinary the speed with which all of this happens. i mean, you know, you can see it on paper that that you know the response time is quick and how how quickly officers tried to neutralize the shooter, but seeing that body camera image that first officer officer galloway whose camera we were seeing he was actually shot. how are how are how is he doing? how is the other officer doing? how are the other survivors of the shooting of civilians doing? yeah, i understand. yeah. he was shot at the good news is that we got one more person released from the hospital today, so there are three still recovering
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two of them in stable condition , but the one that remains in critical condition is that officer officer nicholas wilt 26 year old who had just graduated from the police academy. police have said he was shot. the head . and while officials have said he has made some progress, he's still being monitored very closely now. while while police leadership also said, though they're proud of how their officers responded, including officer will, but with an important caveat, saying that the most heroic things we do are shrouded in people's tragedies. anderson this is no exception. more menace. i appreciate it when i get a professional. take on what we just saw. we're joined now by cnn chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller. he's a former deputy commissioner with the new york police department, also former fbi deputy director currently, cnn senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe. andrew we know the training is to engage right away . how much of a difference did that make here? especially it seems like the shooter had a tactical advantage in terms of
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his location and officer will had a pistol. yeah so anderson, and it clearly made a significant difference, so it's i think it's important to for context to understand that the shooter as these gentlemen arrive, police officers arrived . the shooter has taken a position basically lying in wait for them inside the lobby of the building, so he sees them pull up and he has the clear advantage. he's behind the glass that at that time of day is very dark. it's hard to see from the outside, where it's very bright into the lobby through the glass where it's darker. you also so has a position of advantage in terms of elevation. he's looking down on them. they are coming forward without many places to take cover officer wilt with only a pistol approaches that that staircase and tries to do his job, but he is just viciously outgunned. by the shooter with his with his high powered rifle. um you see the same sort of adherence to training that we saw just a week
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ago at the covenant school. you see the police officers as they get up the training officers telling, uh, telling officer wilson back up to get out of the way of the line of fire. they run to the back of the vehicle to get the rifle, which is, of course, the training officer has the rifle officer wilson only has a pistol. those that equipment is at the ready. it's loaded all the has to do is charge the gun with his left hand which you see that on the video, and then they take the best tactical positions they possibly can. um and it's just a tragic and brutal aspect of law enforcement in america. officer wilts tries to do his job and he is struck down in the course of trying to protect others. and of course, his training officer is able to regroup after he takes fire and delivers around that, ultimately eliminate this threat. it's remarkable, heart pounding, terrifying video to watch. but once again we've seen at an active, incredible heroism
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that that likely saved many lives. and i think it's important. we see this from police officers. i mean, we hear so much, you know. bad stuff, and it's you know, to see officers who are responding in such with such bravery. it's really extraordinary. just want to show this moment again and talk about it with john here because we see almost right away from the moment the officers arrived there under fire officer will get hit early on how much information. let's let's play this section of this from the east side at pressing the main. can actually see officer wilt in the reflection in the glass and , as you said, as andrew was saying the shooter had the advantage could see them fully. they couldn't see him. well that's right. so how much information did they have? they have the call, which tells them
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there's an individual. they give his name. they say he's shooting at the bank. but the call doesn't say where he is. their clue is when they pull up. and you hear that shots fired any any tells he tells officer will okay, back up. back up. they want to back the car out of the line of fire so he can get the rifle. but then they're right back in the game, which is okay now that they've got the rifle and he's got his pistol. they're moving towards the gunfire, but they don't know where in the building this person is except it's close enough, they can hear it. he's waiting for them. make no mistake about this, andrew. what you're seeing here is the shooter has already shot everybody. he intends to shoot in the bank. he has set up in the lobby to wait for the arrival of police, and when they arrive, he opens fire on them from his position of advantage. officer will goes down his training officer, officer galloway. you know, corey is in a difficult position there, his partners down. he knows the
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gunman is behind the glass firing at them, and he waits for his opportunity gets that shot, takes him down and advances there while giving commands to the officers. go get the officer who's down, get him out to help and they put him in a police car . that's one of the things that you know, i think it's important to point out in the training that police officers now get in terms of responding to this is it's not. it's about neutralizing the shooter. that is the first priority. so even in in this case, you see officer wilt getting shot. and as much as the instinct would be to, you know, try to get him out of the line of fire render aid to him immediately. officer galloway is intent on and does neutralize the shooter. that's right, anderson. he stays on target. he is committed to this mission of getting inside that building and neutralizing this threat. think it's also important to point out he doesn't have the luxury of just firing in the general
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direction of wherever he hears the rounds coming to him from? he's got to see that target before he fires. he doesn't know it's possible. maybe there's other innocent people in that lobby. maybe the shooter has taken a hostage in between the time they've gotten a call, and when they arrive, so he's got to be precise. he's gotta be relentless in his focus on that threat, even when, as you point out, he knows that his not just as fellow officer but his trainee, he's responsible for that for officer wilson, his his tactics and his well being, it's almost impossible to imagine the stress that officer galloway is under at that time. and he must , um, you know, he must feel absolutely terrible to some degree right now, about what happened to officer wilson, but he doesn't let that get in the way of his duty runs to the sound of the gun. quite literally. he gets thrown off his feet. momentarily he recovers, takes a position of cover and then goes right back at the threat. um that is how
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it's supposed to be done. and you can train people to do that. you can build the best. um you know, muscle memory around those actions. but at the end of the day it comes down to courage and focus. and that's what you see on that video. i mean, nobody knows how they're going to respond when shots are actually fired. no matter how much training you have what you know, it's like until you get punched in the face. you don't know what it's really like. uh, officer galloway. i mean, just the tone of his voice. the tenor of it. it is very directed. it is. there's an intensity to it, which, um, you know. it's not the frantic, you know. voice we've heard of some police officers on in other incidents, or you know other people. in other instances, it is very calm and mature. comments the right word, but it is focused and controlled. and by the way, you know, officer galloway is a training officer, this young officer on his fourth tour tour of duty. you know today, i think
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it's for right. it's just it's his. i think it's his 10th day on the job, but it's fourth time out on patrol. the training officer is supposed to be teaching him and for training officer to, you know, have his partner wounded in something like this. you know who's going to think on your fourth tour of duty with a trainee, you're going to walk into an active shooter. if you think this isn't affecting him, then you don't understand. police this is affecting him in a great deal of trauma. but as as as mr mccabe said, you know, he stayed focused. he got the mission job, and the first thing he held is let's get helped officer wells and the thing about officer well , you know, his father passed away while he was in the police academy. but he persevered, stayed on a state on mission until he graduated. and you know, yesterday now he's in in critical condition but stable in a hospital where they're monitoring him minute by minute. his brother is in the police
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academy now. so you know, there's just, um you know, if policing is a family, you saw a lot of that in louisville today . we wish them the best. certainly john miller. thank you. andrew mccabe. thank you. we learned more today about the men and women who were killed and wounded again. police officer nicholas wilt, as john mentioned is in the hospital critical edition recovering from gunshot wound as we mentioned he was just 10 days out of the police academy also served as a volunteer firefighter in the area. juliana former was starting the next chapter in her life. she just moved to louisville. it was only her third week with old national bank. she was just 45 james todd also works at the bank was deeply involved with the local nonprofit and developing promoting the city's downtown area. he was 64 tommy elliott was 63. he was a senior vice president of the bank. he was also close friends with kentucky governor andy bashir. louisville's mayor and many others, including our next guest, john brown. his sister is our colleague, pam brown. john. i appreciate you being with us. i'm so sorry. it's under these
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circumstances and so started for the loss of your friend. i understand you and your wife had just been with tommy and his wife on saturday. what can you tell us about him? we sure were anderson. and thanks for your coverage and the opportunity to talk about tommy. ah we with tommy and his wife, mary. and saturday night, ah, went to top golf and then out to dinner afterwards and just had a typical fun saturday night together, talked about tommy's daughter just getting engaged the young man asking for permission to marry her and how sweet that was. and the next day tommy was texting, teasing about how bad my wife and i were at golf, asking if we were watching the masters, and by the way, i assume he gave he gave his permission on the marriage. oh
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absolutely. yes yes, assuredly and enthusiastically, and governor bashir said that tommy had given him advice on being a good dad. it sounds like he was a pretty great dad. he was tommy held many titles. it was on many boards, but i think the way he will be remembered by those who knew him and loved him is he was a wonderful friend. first and foremost, um, that was his great gift. he just was masterful at doing the little things the little kindnesses that that most of us don't even think about and even when we do, we don't carry through on them. but tommy always did last night when we got home from the hospital, my son showed me a card that tommy had said him with a nice note congratulating him on graduating
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from law school, along with a gift card for ice cream, and he kept it. you know, a year and a half later. small thing, but a meaningful thing and those that's what tommy did each and every day of his life, and that's why he means so much to so many. you know, we're also consumed our careers and you know he had an important job at this at this bank and pillar of the community, as you said on many boards, but i think it's so lovely that that's the thing you hold dear about him is his his the friendships, the quality of the friendships he had not just with you. but with so many people, and that's that is the most important thing in the end. it absolutely is, and i think that's his legacy, and i saw the governor yesterday at the hospital and we talked briefly, and he asked how i was doing and how we can best. remember tommy and i said, i think the best way we can remember him is kind of
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step into the breach and carry on his legacy of caring for people. we can all care a little more do a little bit better with the small kindnesses and every time we do that, we can think of tommy and smile and thank him for that lesson and his wonderful memory. john brown. thank you for that. i really appreciate it. thank you for taking time to be with us tonight items again. i'm so sorry for your loss and everybody in the community's loss. thank you. thank you very much. next one of the two tennessee democratic state representatives expelled for protesting gun violence joins us the day after he was reinstated his thoughts on tennessee's republican governor today calling for tougher gun laws and later when four americans were kidnapped by mexican drug cartel . the abduction was seen around the world. their fate unknown for days. well tonight my conversation with the two survivors telling their story for the first time exclusively to cnn. hey hey, hey, get away
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back with us. i'm wondering what your reaction is to governor li's called for those gun safety measures. yes well, thank you so much for having me anderson. i think that it's a clear um example of frederick douglass is wisdom that power concedes nothing without a demand that we have an nra in north governor finally taking action on gun laws because of these young people marching and continuing to exert pressure on the governor actually met with him this afternoon along with other members of the national delegation. i really see a change of heart and i'm hopeful for the days ahead that we can pass some common sense gun laws to protect our kids and our students and our community as a whole, so i think it is an important step forward for our state. do you believe he may actually even go farther? today we met with him and i'll sit right next to him. and i said, let him know that governor that this is a moment where we must be willing to stand up to special interests like the gray like the tennessee farms association. we must be willing to risk something politically and i really saw a change of heart in our governor. you know,
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sitting with him today, and i'm hopeful that this continued pressure will get us some common sense gun laws. i hope that this is not the end. which is this red flag laws, but we can pass laws to ban assault weapons. i hope we can pass laws to have universal background checks. that's what we're finding for. these young people are asking us to do and so i'm hopeful that if we continue to sustain pressure , i know there's another protest plan on thursday on monday, i mean, these young people are leading a movement here in tennessee and in national, particularly and i'm hopeful that i will continue to inspire action from our governor and my colleagues in the legislature. i really, you know, being back today has been surreal. but i've seen a change of culture and in the spirit here. the general assembly. well, let me ask you. what was it like to walk back on the house floor and speak in front of the other members after you were reinstated, you know, looking right at those who had voted you out. it was, uh, almost it was very emotional. i think to see that, um, this body that a week after the mass shooting hit nashville, part of the community that i represent
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nashville. um my colleagues chose to expel us rather than take action on common sense gun laws to come back and say, let's refocus the conversation on common sense gun laws to protect our young people to protect our communities from weapons of war on our streets. it was. it was very emotional, but it was also very hopeful because there's thousands of people gathered there who walked with me from city hall to the legislature to be re sworn in and to walk back into the chamber and, and the truth be told it send a message that democracy will not be killed in the comfort of silence that democracy will not be killed without a voice of moral essential challenging it. and so i think they thought that thursday no one would pay attention. no one would would would, you know, challenge what they did? but the complete opposite happened. the community rose up and fought for this vision of multiracial democracy that will continue to fight for i really believe that their attempted crucify democracy has really resurrected a movement here in tennessee for multiracial democracy, a democracy that really lifts up the voices of our marginalized communities and all tennessee and, um, and i think it's having national implications. i'm very hopeful for the days ahead,
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representative justin jones. i appreciate your time. thank you. thank you. anderson coming up. you may remember this. it was video was seen around the world for americans kidnapped in mexico last month only to survive their fates were unknown to the world or to them for four days tonight, cnn exclusive. my conversation with the two surviving americans latavia, washington mcgee and eric williams. they remember the two friends who were killed. also, there's the torment and abuse that they suffered in the wounds that linger to this day. nothing feels better than having support and the same goes for your footwear. so you've gotta try skechers arch fit. skechers teamed up with podiatrists and designed footwear with podiatrist certified support. plus they're machine washable support you're looking for with sketches, arch fit. what if my type two diabetes takes over? what if all i do isn't enough or what if i can do diabetes differently? now you can with
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this video for americans who crossed the border into mexico being taken by a cartel thrown in the back of a truck. two of them killed then, days later, two made it back to the united states alive. those survivors eric williams and latavia washington. mcgee have never told their story until tonight. you hear them? talk about these harrowing moments after the shootout began and what happened during the four days in captivity, the threats, the torments. they went through the final moments there. two friends who were killed. talk with latavia washington g and eric williams, in a moment prefers how it all began. we warn you, some of the images you'll see tonight or difficult. the attack came in broad daylight for americans ambushed by mexican drug cartel members, not long after they crossed the us mexico border. in the green shirt, latavia washington, mcgee was forced into the bed of a pickup truck at gunpoint. her friend eric williams, was shot her other two companions in del brown and shaded woodard were thought to have been killed in the initial attack. but today we learned they were still alive
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when they're limp bodies were dragged onto the truck bed, leaving behind a trail of blood in the street. brown and woodard both later died. eric williams was wounded and put it in the pickup as well to mexico for washington mcgee's medical procedure and gotten lost when they were attacked. cheryl orange was also traveling with the group. it didn't have the documentation to enter mexico. she got worried when they hadn't returned on time. i said something's not right, and i text my roommate. i said something's not right. nine o'clock got here, 12 o'clock got here midnight and then now we're into saturday morning at 10 23. i'm like there's no way i called the cops immediately. mcgee and williams were moved between several different locations over the next few days. often, they said they were interrogated and abused by the cartel when authorities were finally able to locate the americans rescue operation was launched. the victims were found in a wooden house three days after the crime
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, the four persons who were kidnapped or taken to different places, one of them to a clinic , an effort to make this more confusing and avoid rescue washington. mcgee and williams were rescued and brought back to the us along with the bodies of sindel brown and say, you woodard. survivors have since been repatriated back to the united states that occurred with the assistance of our mexican partners partners with the assistance. ah of our officials in mexico, in a bizarre twist, the cartel believed responsible for the attack, issued an apology letter and handed over five people the cartel claims were involved in the kidnapping and murders. we want to see accountability for the violence that has been inflicted on these americans that tragically led to the death of two of them. authorities have said they believe cartel members may have mistaken. the four americans for haitians involved in smuggling. and eric williams and latavia washington. mcgee joined me now . thank you so much for being with us. so what happened when you crossed over? we turned down
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this little side road. because we was gonna see if that led us to the destination that we was gonna turn around. we heard a car, beat the horn and pulled around us. zundel was in the backseat. he said don't stop. he saw a gun. we drove through a few streets and corners until we got back on the main street, and that's when i ganga shooting started. zendaya. and shy. he they jump out to run and they were going down. there was a window being on her window. with a home of little guy, probably a nine millimeter and i jumped out of the driver's side, and when i jumped out on the driver's side, that's when i was shot in both legs around for maybe, like 10 minutes. after they took everything from us, and i guess whoever told him to bring just go ahead and bring us with them. that's when they loaded us on the back of the truck and your two friends. were they still alive at that point alive at that point, i couldn't see shot he because he was like behind
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me, but i could season they'll back. he was hit two times and big chunks of meat was gone out of them! we roll probably 10 15 more minutes and we got to the spot where they were taking us. the investigator interrogated us smart. and that's one shot, he said. i love you all and i'm gone and he died right there. yeah that he loved us and he was gone. that was the last thing, he said. and that was in the back of the pickup. yes sir. you able to say anything to him? or just told him? i was sorry. so you finally arrive at this destination? what what was it? it was a it was a house. but a lot of mexicans outside with guns. good and now on diablo
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man, his red plastic mask, but they put masks on. it was put in the gun stuff ahead. telling us not to look up things like that . have you gotten any kind of medical treatment cartel took us to a clinic. after we left from the spot. wait they was questioning that they told us they was like, um, i guess after they kept asking us and our questions i answer is never changed. they said, um well, we're gonna get we're gonna get y'all some help. and what kind of treatment did they give you? they put my leg on a two by four. and then they stitched it up. they just stitched it up, right? did they give you no pain, medicine or nothing? they just stitched it up. um it might have not even being later that same day. all the stitches bust out. did they check to see if
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the bullet was still inside or anything like that? no, sir. after they staged it took something like i guess gauls. and they put the two by four board under there, and they was wrapping it around like that, and i was telling them the two by above the two by four was hitting me in the back of my leg , and it was killing me. so they took away the two by four. what about sindel? me and him was in the room together. he was fighting for his life and. they didn't do nothing. they didn't do anything to treat him. hmm. hmm. was he conscious? were you able to talk to him? talk to him the whole time. what do you say in this situation like that? i just told him i'm sorry because i asked him to come with me. he was like it's okay. i'm your
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brother. i'm supposed to be there for you. i love you. and is that where he died? they talk at the he didn't fight you so long. it was like it was gonna take him to the hospital. then they came back like maybe an hour later, and it was like he was dead. this time. there's guys with guns around you guarding right. there was like they we had to stay there for them to investigators and um, different things. and, like one of them was sitting but a chair like where are you sitting, too? and he was looking at something on his phone. and i can remember the sound of that day. when it happened, like i could remember the gunshots, the noise and i heard it and i asked him, i said, excuse me is that us? and he said, yes, i said, can i see it? he's like, hold on, and he turned the phone around. any showed the video of us being kidnapped and stuff like that. the one of the gunmen actually showed you the video that we've all seen of you being kidnapped on the street. that's surreal. i
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mean, what did that? what was that? like? i just started crying. just like i'm never going home. did in any way help you to know that this video is out there. the people at least knew it felt. i thought maybe it was just out in mexico. i didn't know that and i reached the states states, right? so i felt a little better because i just didn't know our families knew anything that happened to us. you're you're a woman in custody with cartel gunmen. were they threatening to you in in violence and sexual violence? i mean, yeah, they said all that stuff all that. they did. hmm they're trying to make us have sex with each other. but brothers and sisters, the ancestor and that she was pregnant minute they tried to make you have sex with each other. what did they say to you ? they was like, what are y'all?
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third property. you're at the fourth one you're at because you were at the hospital. yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. um so it must. first of all, when you're brought back to this house must have been a huge relief to at least be reunited. felt good because i kept asking him. i said i wanted to go with my brother. so what happened at this new location? i just know that i was in the clinic and it was some people came and knocked on the door. they said they came in and bagged the bodies up. um they say we were going to take you to your brother, so i thought it was gonna take a signal to the hospital, but they put me in the back of a truck. before and he put the bodies in the back. they don't know. they had me. blindfold covered up. they took me a little piece. we switched vehicles. they put us in another vehicle, and then they cover me up and we wrote a little bit and then i just know they back then somewhere, took me out and took me in a room and i saw him in some more people. there were other people who were the level of people who was captain. i can't believe how
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much you guys were moved around . i mean, there's got to be so confusing for you when you and then what i think we was gonna ever be found because they had police scanners and all types of stuff in their trucks. so they were listening to police. they knew they knew what was going on. they always was a step ahead . right like they're never gonna find us like this. so you're in that location now together, reunited. you're there till monday. you said yeah. and then what happened? a guy came in saturday night. saturday night. sometimes after we end up falling asleep, but i just know i felt like it was dark in the room we was at so when i rolled over, i could see somebody standing at the door with a phone like and he was like, can y'all get up? can i talk to you all? so me and he sat up and he was like, um, he didn't say y'all. no he's a cute get up. get up. i have something to say. and, um he was like there's nothing that we can do to bring
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your two brothers back. he was like, but we're sorry. somebody made the wrong call. they was high and drunk. and i'm from america, too. and he said, um. i'm fighting with my boss for him to give you all up. he's like, i don't know how i'm gonna do this, but we're gonna try to get your back home. see your family. he's like, i'm sorry. there's no worries. there's nothing we can do to repay. you know, he just basically kept saying he's sorry. he's like when i give you all up. i'm gonna leave too, because they're gonna kill me from letting y'all go. he said. well, i'm gonna come back sunday and get y'all but he didn't come back till monday. he comes back on maintaining monday. and says what? they just blindfold us and, um blindfold us. they blindfolded him. uh, they took me out first. they put me in the back of the truck. hmm. and um, they put they put the seat down and pushed me through to the
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front. then they bought eric and put him in the back and put shake hands in the l in the back with him to get ahead by these over time me. they put your friends' bodies on top of you to hide. jimmy? yes. so they took us to the other location. we met a truck. we saw another stop. they put the bodies on the back. me in the middle and eric on the floor on the floor under my feet. yeah. and they just kept and i was like, so they was like we promised. the man said he promised we're gonna let you go. we're gonna get your bag. we just don't know how we're gonna get your back cross. so you're driving and where do you end up? they just kept they kept driving us all night, and they could have hit him cocking the gun, stopping at different little intersections and stuff like that. i was thinking he's holding us. he was getting away from his boss. but as i hear the scandals, i think it was the police like maybe getting closer to us or something like that,
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and they just kept dodging us. so they wrote us around to like three o'clock in the morning. before they dropped us off at that check that was found in tried to you tried to get out from that shack. do i did? he did? well, that's true, and that's real trauma. what you have been through? how do you how do you deal with that afterwards? to hear you, your brother. somebody who's your friend who could call a brother tell you they love you and you're never gonna see him again. you're watching are fighting for their life. and there's nothing you can do about it. yeah you tried to escape twice. i mean, what was what was behind that for my brothers to have the proper burial and for us to go back home to our family and kids. that was important not only to get over your kids, but your brother is to have a problem because they didn't deserve that. none of none of us. none of us deserved it. but hmm. we alive we have a lot of recovering the dude. they didn't have to suffer, but i wish they
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were still here with us. and i don't do whatever because i know they will do whatever for me. listen i so appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. and i'm so sorry for what you've been through. and, uh and you're both incredibly strong and brave. thank you for talking with us. thank you for having you for having us. hmm remarkable story coming up the manhattan d, a who brought criminal charges against the former president. now is another courtroom target. republican house judiciary chairman jim jordan will explain why next. this electric feels different. because it's powered by the most potent source of energy. there is you. this is the lexus variety of electrification, inspired by created for and powered by you. allergies don't
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free, rugged 321321. cnn news central tomorrow at nine eastern . alvin bragg, the manhattan district attorney who brought criminal charges against the former president, is now suing congressman jim jordan for the way he is conducting his investigation into brag, brag, calls it quote, unprecedentedly brazen and unconstitutional attack by members of congress on an ongoing new york state criminal prosecution investigation. he also says that quote chairman jordan the committee or participating in a campaign of intimidation, retaliation and obstruction. mohandie is asking a federal court to block testimony before jordan's judiciary committee by a former attorney in his office, plus possible testimony by bragg himself, as well as the release of confidential documents and their words, jordan told fox brags, quote, obstructing our investigation, joining out by cnn senior legal analyst former assistant u. s attorney is also the author of untouchable how powerful people get away with it . you've worked with bragg in the past. what do you think of his suit? he's coming out
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swinging here. this is really remarkable and unprecedented in two respects anderson, first of all i don't believe there's ever been an instance and alvin bragg, in his brief today, says there has never been an instance where a local elected d a has had to go in front of congress and talk about their investigation, so the effort by jim jordans is unprecedented and brags response here of taking the affirmative step of going into federal court and saying i want you to block this. i want to stop this right now is also unprecedented. jim jordan makes the argument that the judiciary committee has oversight and you can do this. we have brought oversight, he says your office alvin bragg used federal funds. alvin bragg has said yes, we used $5000 worth of federal funds in this investigation. the response from brag, though, is you don't have all encompassing jurisdiction. because your congress you don't have a legitimate federal legislative interest in governing what we do as state and county level prosecutors and brag says the fact that we use some federal
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funds does not entitle you to do whatever you want and to potentially obstruct and ongoing minal case. so what do you think is gonna happen? while they're good, they're in federal court. now they're going to have a hearing next week. i actually think as unusual as this is, i think bragg has the better of the arguments here. i don't believe jim jordan can point to a legitimate legislative federal interest that congress has in digging into an ongoing investigation. and remember anderson, this is grand jury materials. this is universally regarded as secret. imagine if brag, or any prosecutor could get called up to congress up to capitol hill and have to open up the files on a pending case of grand jury information. it would be damaging to the investigations that would be damaging to the person who is being investigated. how long could it take a case like this take to actually get a resolution. hopefully the court's move quickly on this. we are in the u. s district or, interestingly brag, filed this in federal court because i think his rationale is federal courts have more jurisdiction over congress, who he's seeking to regulate. it will be appealed. almost certainly to the second circuit. whoever loses their can try to get it up to the supreme
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court. i think we're talking a couple of months, but again, we're talking about sort of a constitutional clash here that the courts really need to deal with expedited as possible. thanks so much. appreciate it. coming up cnn primetime katelyn polantz takes a look at whether the right wing attack on bud light over its support of a trans activist is hurting the company's brand that's coming up in the next hour. we'll be right back with more. changes changes happened so fast. for the life you're making. has it introducing master pro allergy now available without a prescription was the first and only 24 hours. steroid free. sprint takes hours starts working in 30 minutes. so you can go thought we had a plan for dad. he was set to go to the senior living community right by
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attack on congress. jury selection is that for thursday the news continues. cnn primetime with caitlin caitlin starts now, caitlin to watch anderson. thank you so much tonight. there are some major developments on all of today's biggest stories. chilling footage. i think he's down video released in the louisville bank shooting massacre unfolding in mere minutes as democrats call for action on guns, people over guns, kids over guns, public safety over guns. what is the republican plan to stop these shootings will last 2024 republican presidential candidate hutchinson plus brag hits back the manhattan district attorney's sues to block house republicans from looking into his trump investigation? it's amazing how far will the gop go to protect trump? end tensions. mount china ratcheting up military pressure on taiwan, beijing in your view, threatening taiwan was war yes, tipping point, zakaria will join
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