us on what china will do next. also windy city winners after a fierce competition, democrats named chicago the host city of the 2024 convention. with republicans already launching attacks on chicago's high crime rate. illinois governor jaden pritzker will respond coming up on cnn prime time. good evening . i'm caitlin collins. and tonight i am joined here by an all star cast of my cnn colleagues from across the network. abby phillip freed zakaria, karen friedman, agnes philo, sara sidner, anderson cooper and sarah fisher. also going to join me live here in studio tonight, but we're going to start first, that dramatic new footage that we're getting from the mass shooting that happened at the old national bank in downtown louisville, an attack that killed five people and injured eight. and i want to warn you that what you're about to see is disturbing. it's a

harrowing first look at what happened on monday when police officers arrived on the scene, along with the first images of the 25 year old gunman who was an employee of that bank before he was shot and killed by law enforcement officers. louisville police released about nine minutes of the footage tonight, showing multiple angles as brave officers responded to these urgent 911 calls. what you're about to see. next is what happened when those officers arrived on the scene. go, go, go, go, go! stop! stop writing. back up, back up, back up! back up. god don't have an angle. i got him down. i think he's down. you're doing after off now. you can do the stairs down, get the

officer. it's truly incredible to see that footage and all these officers were being fired upon. you can see they continue to move forward to take down the shooter. we're told that the gunman purchased that a r 15 style rifle a week ago legally from a dealership in louisville , and now the debate over guns in america is front and front and center once again, so for more on this, i want to bring in republican presidential candidate for the 2024 race. former arkansas governor asa hutchinson joins us governor thanks so much for being here tonight. clearly, there are so many important headlines tonight . we want to start with what's happening in louisville and since you are running to be the republican nominee for president , if you're elected, what are you going to do to fix and address this issue of gun violence? since it's clearly one that's not going away? well, the important thing is that we focus on things that make a difference. and whatever you look at what happened in louisville and tragic circumstance, thank goodness the

officers were well trained. they responded quickly, and we're getting better at that. the other aspect of it, it is, is a course the identification of someone who might be suicidal or homicidal, and they give clear signs of that. but yet they're not identified and given the help that they need or taken the steps that are necessary to prevent them from going out and doing harm. and so oh, i'm i think that that's something that's going to continue to look at on the mental health side in arkansas. we invested in that we invested in security for our schools, and these things make a difference. and so we learned from each tragic circumstances and the key again is let's look at something that makes a difference. and in this case, it was the training but we need to look more at the middle health side. what we're doing about this and what should we do more and i think this is an area that we can look at it from a bipartisan solution hopefully

come up with ideas that will will do better. is there anything on guns that you would do differently because yes, the response here was incredibly quickly. but still, even in the time that it took, this shooter was still firing when they arrived on the scene. several people are dead. several more, including one of those officers is now in the hospital. would you do anything wrong? restricting guns if you are elected president. no, i don't think that's the solution. and so in america, we have our second amendment. uh if you outlawed guns today, the criminals are still going to get guns. they're going to be able to do bad things with those guns. uh, and so we have to be able to take other steps that are protective. uh and the circumstances that we see here we did have a bipartisan bill that center core nine worked on from texas. that addressed some issues that hopefully will make a difference as a result of what

happened. and you baldy, texas, and so we're going to learn, but it's not going to be by taking away the firearms from citizens . it's not going to be, uh from , uh, putting further restrictions on those it's going to be by looking at other solutions that will be protective. one thing you've said you're open to in the past is raising the age to buy a gun like an ar 15 given what you just said. is that still something that you would support if it came across your desk as president? well the challenge, of course, is always defining these issues and defining what they are. 15 is defining. you know what would be legal and illegal and of course, in arkansas. if you're 18, you can get a shotgun. you go out, you can do hunting and, uh and so the senators took a different approach, and they looked at it from improving the juvenile records that would go in that could be reviewed to try to prevent someone who is 18 from

getting a weapon when they've had issues when they were younger. so there has been instances of where we've come together. we've adopted solutions and on a bipartisan basis and has some effect, so i think we need to continue those conversations. but it's not about putting more restrictions on law abiding citizens. that's what we have to avoid. yeah, well, i mean, this gun was purchased legally here, so i just want to be clear, though, so your position is that you don't think raising the age to buy an ar 15 is something that would be effective here, and it's not something that you would sign if you are president. i haven't seen something yet that i think would work and it would make a difference along always look at new ideas that are fair that protect the second amendment, but i haven't seen that yet. i can't miss move on to abortion, which i do want to talk about with you as well without noting that you are going to the nra forum on friday. what message are you going to be bringing? when you're speaking on stages? you were scheduled to do so.

governor? we'll talk about the breadth of issues, not just the second amendment, but we'll be talking about energy policy. the united states i'll be talking about pushing back against leftist social agenda that comes out of washington and talking about, you know the economy, but in addition, of course, we'll talk about school safety and what we've done in arkansas to enhance school safety to help our local school districts. and uh, what steps we can take, so you know, it's a it's an audience. what happens governor when it's a bank, though, this i mean, this didn't happen in louisville at a school. what happened in the bank and the banks provide security and they have to have security plans. just like a mall. we've had instances in malls and they have adopted security plan so we continue to look at improved security and obviously it's hard whenever you have somebody that is pure evil, or somebody who's mentally deranged, and that's

why you have to have the protective measures in place. but we can't look at what more can we do on that mental health side? died. and to make sure of that those that are not qualified to get a firearm that has prior felonies or has been health. uh orders that are in place that they can't get a firearm and that's where i think we have to look to continue to enhance the protections for our society. there's no indication yet from the investigation and what we heard from officials in kentucky so far that that would have been something that would have played a focus here. i do want to talk about what happened with that ruling from a texas judge last friday night that would effectively rule a judgment made by the fda in valid when it came to abortion medication. do you think a judge in texas should be able to say that something the fda determined doesn't stand well, of course, you've got two rulings. two separate federal judges really different ways on it. this will ultimately

probably go to the u. s. supreme court, and it's not unusual for a judge to review the administrative rulemaking process to see if adequate notice if the evidence supports it or not, so it's not unusual is to conclusion that is different from what another federal judge has ruled. but basically though i'll just note that other ruling came down just to for everyone else who who wasn't tracking it closely came down after this ruling from a texas judge. we hear a lot from republicans that are pro life for a certain abortion positions on abortion that they believe it's a states rights issue. it's something for states to decide. so if that is the position of republicans, then why should a federal judge be able to decide what they what kind of medication the fda approves? well there's two issues there. one is simply that roe versus wade whenever it was reversed by the supreme court did return it to the states and the states right now are making their own public health determinations

based upon our democratic process that continues. the other issue is the access to this abortion pill. the fda has approved and it's always appropriate for it. judge to review the appropriateness of it , but you've got a conflict here . i can't tell you which judge ruled the right way, ultimately again, that will be resolved, but that's a different issue. the states have control over it, but the federal judges obviously can review the appropriateness of administrative rulings. this happens day in and day out in our society. i would note some 37 states, i believe do allow access to this abortion abortion medication that could be affected. if this judge's ruling stands. governor is hutchinson. thank you so much for joining us tonight. thank you. good to be with you. and here in studio, i am joined by our chief law enforcement analyst john miller, as well as sara sidner and abby. phillip thank you all for being

here. i mean, what do you make of what is hot? it's urgent is one of the few republicans who's actually entered the race formally so far. um and this is going to be a question that all republican candidates are asked about. i mean, i think that what you saw there is a republican candidate for president who's really sticking largely to the party line on this, but i did think it was notable that he did not. i want to say whether he agreed with this judge's ruling and that kind of tracks with what you're hearing from republicans privately that you know they kind of think a lot of republicans think that this is not going to stand up on appeal because the contours of the decision are by the judge in texas, in particular, are pretty far out there even further than i think some of them are comfortable with. it's kind of in the weeds. sarah what did you make of what he said on? he doesn't think that gun restrictions for the gun restrictions are the way to go after what we saw in nashville and what we saw. it'll. um i think the numbers tell you a different story and some of the numbers that we learned just today. the kaiser family foundation put out these numbers

, one in five americans have personally been threatened by a gun. this is a survey just out. one in five americans say a family member was killed by a gun that could also be suicide. but that is part of one of the problems. and for in 10 americans report that there is a household a gun in the household , which tracks because there are 1.1 plus guns for each and every american. if you just look at the numbers, but here's the thing that got me 44% say that the guns are stored in an unlocked location, so there are tons of things that can be done to try and prevent accidental shootings to try and prevent. ah suicides to try and prevent mass shootings. there are things that can be done and not doing anything is the wrong answer every time he focused on mental health and talking about hardening schools, which is often something we hear from a lot of republicans, not from what we're hearing from the tennessee governor, i should note who was suggesting background checks and certain

reforms that they may try to get there. john, what do you make of it? i think what we're seeing is , you know, it's very hard for republican candidate the president to take a gun control position when you look at the history i stood on the white house lawn in 1995 for the signing of the crime bill and the assault weapons ban and that stayed in effect for 10 years and republican votes did not renew it. a year ago. tomorrow i stood on the street in brooklyn , wearing an nypd jacket, giving the press conference about the active shooter who shot 10 people in the subway, letting off smoke bombs with extended magazines with his legally purchased firearms. and in the short time that we've been talking here in the time that we've been together in this job , michigan state nashville. i mean, you can go through the city's, um, so you know, we are reaching a surround sound, you know situation with active shooters on the near daily basis in this country and a come to

jesus moment for politicians about will we just keep going through the ritual of today. we'll have the press conference tomorrow we'll have the vigil the next day, we'll have the discussion about guns and not do anything about it. and we should note. i mean, as you were just pointing out the assault weapons ban when it was past mass shootings went down in this country, and i think the idea that that sort of addressing guns as part of the problem won't do anything is actually not true. sarah was putting out the numbers. the numbers bear that out, and what's i think very problematic about what you hear from republican politicians . is that the american people by and large, they say they want to take, uh, surround sound approach to this whole thing. deal with the mental health deal with the security of schools deal with the guns, but the republican party doesn't want to talk about guns really, ever and partly because hutchinson's heading over to the nra and that

is the position of the gun lobby . and i think one thing we don't talk enough about is that there is a financial incentive here in all of this. there are so many guns in this country. it is a boom time for the gun industry. and so they are very incentivized to really harden the battle lines on this on this issue as a political matter, even though that's not where the majority of the american people million a r fifteens in america and discussion about gun control only drive sales up really does . republicans and democrats also point back to that bill from last summer, but see, say that there's not much room left when it comes to negotiation on capitol hill following that, i want to understand by. we're going to talk about this more ahead. also we're going to follow a story here in new york, the district attorney that is prosecuting for president trump is now suing house republicans, one of them you will definitely recognize, accusing them of intimidation. we're going to talk about the new allegations. plus, the former president is making this claim about his visit to a new york court house

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district attorney karen friedman . agnes. evening flow very good , like nailed it since you've been like such an expert on all of this since last week, as you were closely watching trump go into that courthouse with us. are you surprised by this lawsuit from alvin bragg? it was a major fight back. hard lawsuit in federal court. don't forget alvin bragg as a state court prosecutor who's prosecuting donald trump. criminally this is a federal court in the southern district of new york. civil case . where where it's alvin bragg versus jim jordans, senate judiciary committee and also mark pomerantz, because he's a necessary defendant to be joined with us and, and it's not a civil suit for money, damages or anything like that. it's a civil suit for an injunction where he's asking for specific relief , which is basically to stop interfering with the criminal investigation. don't make mark pomerantz come testify and stay out of a new york state.

criminal prosecution. i mean, you know what's so striking to me? just reading the lawsuit? um well, first of all they cite. ability to prosecute these cases , but also just common sense, and i think that that's that's you know, i'm not a lawyer, so i'm going to go with the common sense part of this, which is that you read jim jordans tweet and he says you're prosecuting a former president for no crime, and i think it's right there. in plain text. republicans have determined how they feel about this issue, and they want to stop it from happening. and i do think that that kind of crosses a line and on top of that the legislative purpose purpose that republicans are saying they have is that they want to pursue theoretically, legislation that would force state prosecutors whenever they're looking into a former president, or i guess the current president to move those cases into federal court. which i don't know, karen, you tell me. i mean, that sounds, uh, that sounds like an like an

overstepping and from a you know , sort of separation, a federalist perspective and republicans. are supposed to believe in federalism that seems to cross a pretty bright line. you feel like they have pretty broad oversight when it comes to congress, because what they're noting there is, they asked the federal funds and brags office has said they spent about $5000 worth of federal money on the investigations into trump and his company between october 2019 august 2021. most of it, they said, was on litigation related to his court battle over his tax returns. well i think the question is this feels very unprecedented. so you ask, do they have authority over it? i mean this lawsuit. it itself is unprecedented. we've never had anything like this. and i think the outcome of what gets decided here will determine that question. you know, i was talking to karen before we walked up here and i said karen , i focus on the media. this feels like a huge deal. am i wrong? is it because i've never heard or seen anything like this before? where you have a sitting member of congress trying to sort of maneuver his way out of this, you know, investigation

into the former president and karen to your point. you said i've never seen anything like this. never seen anything like this. before and d a brag in this 50 page, uh, legal filing that was filed today he sets out a campaign of interference and intimidation. because as as you said representative jim jordan is trying to say yes, it's because of these $5000 in federal funds and that you claim that you have oversight over that, but really what alvin bragg sets out with, including the all the tweets by the former president, as well as jim jordan and others. he also included the photo of the baseball bat near his near album, bragg's head. he talks about the racial, the racial slurs that dog whistles and also that as a result of this campaign of intimidation. by jim jordan and others and trump that has been coordinated that alvin bragg has gotten over 1000 threats since then, including white powder in his

office, really hateful racial slurs that have been directed at him and others, and so he's really made. i think an excellent case that this is and in an effort to intimidate him into not prosecuting versus legitimate legislative oversight , and what he said was part of when he got all those threats was after trump had initially said he was going to get arrested that tuesday. obviously, as we know happened two weeks later. trump is weighing in on his experience talking about this, i believe publicly for the first time about what happened, he says when he went into that courthouse in new york last week. they were incredible when i went to the courthouse, which is also a prison in a sense. they signed me in. and i'll tell you people were crying people that work there. professionally worked there that have no problems putting in murderers and they see everybody. it's tough, tough place. and they were crying. they were actually crying. i who is they? i there

were a lot of reporters there. there are a lot of people there . um who who was crying exactly? because you know these kinds of things are said and then and then it's used on other platforms to sort of say, like look at their own support of him. the police are in support of him. the d a. the people around the day is just political. this is just another piece of trying to make him sympathetic and makes the d a. the devil and the fact that there are death threats and that they are regular and i don't know you have all covered donald trump. you've covered the campaign. you've covered other campaigns. i covered extremism. i got threats, and i got threats, sometimes from a certain party that would call me up in the middle of the night. to say that we're all going to start calling you and you know what's going to happen next, so those are extremely scary when someone believes that they are just doing their job, no matter what anybody else says he is the

d a. he's allowed to go through with this. you follow through the process. if it was you or you or me, we'd have to go through it and if they were death threats our butts would be in trouble. as my mother would say. let's be honest. he was not treated like any other defendant would have wrecked in that particular circumstances. nor should he have been as a former president. they're just other protocols. but the idea that the courthouse in manhattan was a prison is pretty ridiculous. and um, it does remind me. i mean, caitlin this when, in the early days of the trump administration, he went over. to the c i a and, uh, you know, came out of there and said everybody at the c i a loved me so much. they thought the previous administration was so politicized, and that caused a huge uproar. it's not unlike trump to basically make things up about what people are saying and how they are feeling to make a point about how he is the aggrieved party. i will say i was on the 15th floor. i did not see any crying, but i was pretty far back behind the barricaded the still photographers have to

just jump in. you talked about it being he's saying, oh, it feels like a prison. you know what? it probably felt like a prison to him because he can't do what he wants to do and say what he wants to. he was not free to go. that's right. he was right. you have been such a great voice on this. such an excellent voice. thank you for joining us here tonight. thank you. next we're going to speak with the illinois governor who is going to join me on choosing democrats using chicago as their convention city. talking about what republicans are saying, pushing back as they've been highlighted the crime rates. they're also fareed zakaria is here as taiwan is alarmingly, telling cnn they believe china is preparing for war. third kid . what if she likes playing golf ? it's expensive were outlined golf. wait can i still play since we work with them? power we don't have to worry about planning for a third kid. you can still play golf sometimes take control of your financial future to empower what's next. about. everything. new projects

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from taiwan's foreign minister to jim sciutto, sending a defiant message to china, speaking exclusively to jim and this comes as china's military declared they are ready to fight and conducted an unprecedented simulation of what precision strikes on taiwan would look like those involved simulating a blockade to seal off the island , which is a concern. lawmakers and officials in washington have also tonight, the french president emmanuel macron is rattling washington after he suggested that europe maybe you should not get involved in a us confrontation with china over taiwan wanna get more perspective now from cnn's fareed zakaria, thank you so much for being here. i mean to hear those comments so bluntly, also coming as there are these real concerns and criticisms of what the french president said about having kind of an independent stance from what the u. s has held holding on this right now, the whole thing seems like the temperature sure. on the world's most dangerous geopolitical crisis. just got harder, you know, as you say at every level, the chinese, the

taiwanese, uh, europe and the united states. look i think that what is happening right now? that interview with with jim sciutto is very important. and if you listen to the whole thing what the foreign minister of taiwan is saying is look, it's the stakes are getting very high and the tensions are getting very real. and what he worries about is not just chinese outright aggression. but if the chinese keep ratcheting up and if that provokes a certain response, either from taiwan, or perhaps from the united states there could be a miscalculation . there could be a kind of accident, but this is really becoming the most dangerous place in the world. the small island 100 miles off the coast of china, especially when there's such poor communication with washington and china on some of these issues, i mean, they've been pretty blunt about it, and then you hear mike mccaul, the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee , saying that there's a backlog in the delivery of weapons to taiwan. all of this is coming,

though, as the u. s is also grappling with this massive leak of sensitive intelligence documents that are now being found online. they reveal things , not just about what they really think about what's going on in ukraine, also about spying on adversaries and allies. south korea seems especially furious over this. how damaging do you think this all is the united states? this has happened before wikileaks was much worse. the truth of the matter is the united states has the world's most formidable intelligence capability we use it with, you know, we use it against adversaries. we also use it to collect information from allied states. people know this. it's awkward. it's embarrassing. the us is going to have to do a lot of diplomatic mopping up. ah reassuring people. the south koreans, for example, are very upset. but i don't think it's ultimately the most important issue. the most important issues can. if you can get the diplomacy, right if you can stay consistent if there's nothing in

the in the leaks that suggests the united states has being hypocritical, you know, is saying one thing publicly and doing something else privately. so far, what i've seen has not suggested any of that. look it's embarrassing that we're listening in on our friends. yeah and then we've seen this before it happened with the german chancellor merkel. what about the washington post reporting today, though, on what the u. s assessment is of territorial gains that ukraine could actually make and what they say publicly about how ukraine can do this year. i think everyone understands that when you're supporting a country , you put the best front forward . you encourage them. you don't you know you don't provide as as direct a as baron analysis. those of us who have spoken to administration officials privately. no this is what they've been saying privately for a while, and it's not that different, you know, basically we're in a stalemate in ukraine in the sense that the russians have failed in all their objectives, but the ukrainians

also having a much harder time recovering at this point further territory, right so you are at a stalemate. the question is, at what point do both sides realized there at a stalemate and start negotiating i hope that we get there fast because ukraine is being destroyed in the meanwhile, so there is every incentive for both sides to at some point begin to talk because they were both realize that neither side is going to achieve total victory. chairman millie of the joint chiefs of staff has been pretty blunt about that as well freed zakaria lovely being honored you this late at night. it's so strange, but i really enjoy it. if you of course, can catch fareed's show at 10 a.m. sunday, his monologues are great idea. do every sunday. also tonight. this has been a target for gop attacks, a poster city of sorts for crime and far left politics. why did democrats pick chicago to host their 2024 convention? illinois governor who is at the forefront of that search is here to talk about that choice next. with fast

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today and pointing to rising crime rates there for more on this, i want to bring in the man who is at the forefront of chicago's bid to host the democratic national convention, illinois governor j. b pritzker . good morning or good evening, governor. i should note i'm usually here in the mornings. thank you so much for being with us tonight. i know. president biden personally called you to break this news. what did he tell you? well he was on his way to air force one to get on and head to ireland. he let me know . and then he told me that chicago is going to be his convention city, and i told him how thrilled that we were and how we're going to put on the best convention that the democratic party has ever had. and it will be joe biden and kamala harris is convention. and i'm really excited not just for the city of chicago, but for the entire democratic party, and i know that you and so many democrats have talked about how chicago showcases democratic values. it's the heart of a battle grown region. you know, you talk about financial

resources as well. but you're already seeing republicans highlighting crime numbers, say public safety issues, and i don't have to tell you that democrats are trying to make sure voters know that they are concerned about crime as well that they are working to address it. how do you make sure that that doesn't become a political problem? just for president biden, but for democrats as a whole well, the mistake that republicans have made over and over again is just simply talk about one facet of fighting crime, which is to make sure that we have police on the streets. and we believe that too, but you know what? that's not the only way to fight crime. you need to make sure you're addressing the underlying causes of crime, and that means addressing poverty and mental health and substance use. treatment and that's what we're doing in chicago and across the state of illinois in order to bring crime down, but you know, every city has been ill affected by rising crime after covid 19, and we're just beginning to bring those numbers down as a result of the policies we put in place. milwaukee obviously has

had its issues with this as well. you've heard leaders there. talk about this. obviously the assumption is that it's going to be president biden, who was there at that convention next august as the party's nominee, the latest cnn poll. those shows that a majority of democratic voters and those who lean democratic actually say they prefer different candidate to run. obviously, the president is going to be 81 next year. do you have any concerns about his age or if he's running against a candidate like a florida governor, ron desantis, who is much younger than him? look joe biden has gotten more done as president and just 2.5 years than most presidents get done in eight years. think about the major bills that he's gotten passed it with bipartisan support. i might add infrastructure, the inflation reduction act, the chips and science act so many things to bring the economy back after covid 19. and don't forget this is the president that rescued people saved lives as a result of the distribution of vaccines and as quick and fashion as

could be, and then i just add one thing about joe biden. really his superpower is that he genuinely cares. he demonstrates empathy to families to workers all across the united states. and so that's something that we're all going to be featuring about joe biden. it doesn't matter what your age is. what matters is what you can get done for working families across the united states and i'm confident that joe biden as a result of his record will win. you're saying he has no concerns about the president's age. i also asked him about the new fight that is playing out over access to abortion medication. whether or not he believes the fda should ignore the judicial ruling that came out of texas. you can see his answer on cnn this morning tomorrow. of course, we talked tonight about crime in liberal cities were also taking a look at whole foods shutting down in san francisco because crime has risen so poorly there so bad there. alison camerata has all of that. coming up after this, but first anderson cooper joins me on his emotional interview

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him to come with me. he was like it's okay. i'm your brother. i'm supposed to be there for you. i love you. and they just tired this one his arms to the bed because one of his arms was shot. so it was kind of dangling off. so the arm that was good. they took it intact to a bit here. it just made me sit there and watch him tied his arm to a bed. within a span in the sea to . and is that where he died? they talk at the he didn't fight you so long. it was like it was gonna take him to the hospital. then they came back like maybe an hour later and it was like he was dead. they took him away. they took him out of the room. i don't know if they took him out of the hospital out of the clinic. they made me staying home with somebody. they made me stay in the room that we was in and the guy was at the door

watching me. so they tell you he's that he's gone came back and they taste second brother gone. that's what they said second brother gone because they came to my door and told me the same thing. i and anderson joins us now it's just difficult to hear her even tell that story, but we didn't really understand what had happened. you know, it had previously been reported that after the ambush when they were all put into this pickup truck, it was believed that there are two of her companions . uh zundel, and she'd had been killed on the spot. they, in fact, were still alive. we just learned from from her today and they were they were their bodies were tossed into the pickup truck. uh with with them, um, and you heard about zundel's death. she he died sooner than

that. he died that that same day in the back of the pickup truck in front of them. um, and the story she tells of, you know, the next several days there moved from one house to another , um eric williams was shot in the kneecap. ah he was taken to a what he believes is a cartel clinic later taken to what he believes is a cartel sort of hospital. if you can call it that, um he was given, you know. they basically tried to just sew him up. they didn't really give him any pain medication. um they thought they were going to be killed. they were constant. they had guns put to their head. um, there was threats of sexual sexual violence to the tibia. the ordeal that they went through is harrowing, and it went on until monday, where they were finally brought to a fourth location shack where they were left to be tried to escape twice . we've now learned finally rescued by mexican law enforcement. the other thing that we learned which we don't

know much about, but at some point in the midst of this, a man comes to them in one of the cartel properties that they are being held at along in some of the properties they were being held with other with mexicans who had been also kidnapped by the cartel, and we're being held hostage. a man comes, says he's an american speaks with what they believe is, uh, in fluent english. they believe he was american, um, who worked with the cartel and claimed that he was going to try to help get them back that they'd made a mistake and he was going to try to get them back. um and that man showed up days later to take them to the shack where they were ultimately found anderson. thank you. also coming up. next there is growing backlash against an american beer giant. two bud lights partnership with a social media influencer, who is trans backfire will tell you the latest on this controversy next. third kid. what if she

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someone would care so much that they would blow up a can. of bud lights. anheuser busch. i don't get it. howard stern voicing some confusion there after kid rock used bud light for target practice, apparently to protest the brand's partnership with a influencer dylan mulvaney, who is trans since then. other conservatives have also followed suit promising to boycott the beer over the inclusive new campaign, also prompting this response from howard stern. i wish i could call kid rocket. come on the show and just tell me what is it you? why are you so upset about this? like how is it hurtful. i'm really dumbfounded by y someone would care so much that they would blow table now, harry. obviously this is not something that is totally new. we've seen this kind of culture wars with brands before. how's it affecting anheuser busch and bud light? you know, i went to google and i looked this up. you know, google trends and what we see is that more people are talking about

bud light now than ever before in the history. of google searches. so from a marketing standpoint, i guess you know all news is good news, right? so they're certainly getting spoken about. but you know the thing that's interesting to me is you know why would bud light? why would anheuser busch potentially alienate at least a portion of their audience and, you know, i think it just comes down to how americans view transgender americans and but but light and anheuser busch is trying to go after the youth market right. they are the ones who are most likely to see transgender americans in a positive light compared to older americans who are far less likely to and i think that just speaks to what brands generally try and do as they try to attract young business and that's what they're doing here. what do you make of it? i mean, they haven't really backed off of the campaigns of our despite the backlash that you've seen from people like kid rock and others. these are multi billion dollar corporations. when they make a strategic marketing move like this. there's tons of data behind it that shows it's likely to support their business to harry's point, but the other thing is calculate the risk we've seen so many brands take

risks with their marketing campaigns. and sometimes they step in it. think about pepsi and kettle gender gender. but then sometimes it works out to be really effective. i think the m and m's controversy earlier this year the joke was on tucker carlson and a bunch of other conservatives when they came out and sort of spelling that commercial on its head. and so i think if you're a brand like bud light, you look at this campaign and you say this is going to target positively the customers that we want to target if we face backlash will survive it. and who are we facing backlash from honestly, it's people who i assume a year or two down the road if they're stopping at a gas station in their thirsty for beer, they're going to still buy the beer. okay but to be fair here, like there are some real serious issues here. you had a florida legislator this week calling transgender people, mutants and demons and then you have kid rock. shooting beer cans because he's upset that they have someone who's transgender as a part of their marketing campaign. what's happening is transgender people

already filled targeted, they already face an outsized amount of violence, and here we are again. jennings something up. for what for what? what is the endgame here? people exist. they should be able to exist in their bodies the way they are, and instead you're hearing these these horrible things about transgender people, and they are going to be targets of violence . the more this sort of thing happens. that is the fear here. we'll see. i mean, the question is just of course, about what it means, you know, for everyone going forward in the community overall. everyone thank you so much. sarah fisher. abby. phillip harrington, sarah signer . thank you, everyone for joining us. the news continues here on cnn. hello and welcome to our viewers joining us here in the united states and all around the world church just ahead on cnn