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exclusive sit down one on one with kentucky governor andy bashir in his first interview since the mass shooting in louisville. it's okay to not be okay. i'm not okay right now opening up about his personal connection to the attack. this person murdered my friend. probably one of my five closest friends, plus taking action. we have an active shooter, peas and employee of old national bank get here now. +911 audio released shows the horror of the attack. has anybody been shot him in a closet hiding? reeves will the governor push for new gun restrictions at least take a step so that we can intervene when we know somebody's about to go out and murder a whole bunch of people. end real life succession. fox news accused of hiding evidence on the eve of their defamation trial. i think they're headed for a full blown journalistic and legal disaster . details fit for a tv show emerge about the drama at the heart of the network. cnn prime time starts now.

good evening. i'm caitlin collins. and tonight we have an emotional and raw interview with the governor. who state is the latest in america to be broken by gun violence and just returned from louisville, where i sat down with governor andy bashir, who is not only leading a city in mourning. he's also personally grieving. one of his best friends, was among the five people who were murdered. in monday's shooting at the old national bank. this is the governor's first interview since the attack you'll hear from him in just a moment, but first tonight. also dramatic new 911 calls have been released, among them employees who were inside that bank desperately begging for help. as one of their coworkers was opening fire. you're about to hear from a woman who had taken cover in a closet in a conference room and i want to warn you. this is disturbing. has anybody been shot? yes how many people? i

don't know. probably eight or 98 or nine people have been shot, huh? are you with any of them? yes hiding. i hear i hear you. i hear gunshot. that should be shots fired, anthony also released today was the 911 call of the mother of the 25 year old shooter after hearing secondhand that her son had a gun and was headed toward the bank. 911 operator valves. where is your emergency? just my compared my son might be because we have a gun and he's heading toward the old nationals. one getting this information from them note. i don't know what to do. i need your help. i think he never heard of him. really good. kids don't kind of not violence, never done anything. you okay? and you don't believe he owns guns. i know he wasn't only

guns. those parents of the gunmen have issued a statement saying that they knew their son was struggling with depression, but they saw no signs. he was capable of violence. we turn now to my one on one with kentucky governor andy bashir, a democratic governor and a red state reckoning with a crisis that is uniquely american. i want to start with the officer wilt. he was one of the officers who was shot. during this he was just fresh out of the police academy. he had just graduated. do you know how he's doing? officer wilt is a hero. he and officer galloway, where able to get there really about three minutes after the first call came in. and we've lost five people thus far. including a very close friend of mine, but we would have lost more. but for what those two individuals and so many more dead now they rushed right in. they put their lives on the line. and because of that, officer will's life is

still on the line. oh, he is still with us, but certainly in very serious condition. um we all ought to be praying over the next day. two days, however long it takes and we certainly are. and you know that was part of that body camera footage that was released. you can see what he was doing in the other officer who was they were the first ones to arrive on the scene. the police traffic has also released today that 911 audio that they got of the many calls that people place. one of them is from the shooter's mother. who calls to say that her son's roommate has called to say he has a gun, and he's headed toward the old national bank. just to hear something like that to see the mom calling. what's that, like? it was this person murdered my friend. but still. i can't imagine how his parents must be feeling. right now. this is

difficult for you to talk about. i can tell yes. and your friend is tommy elliott. okay tommy and i met probably 15 years ago. he was just low older than than i am. now of all things we met in the capital. um my dad had just become governor and i remember we were on oh, this this, uh, chamber trip. younger lawyer. he's a banker and the current i think it was the president of the senate comes in and just totally blast my dad having no idea that i'm sitting in the room and it was sitting in the room. yeah and immediately after that, tommy walked up and said something like, well, that was something he became my banker. i became his lawyer helped me build a law practice here. uh reading the space in that building when i ran for attorney general, i mean, it's an amazing friend. how long real friends for? the last right around 14 to

15 years. during much of that we talk every week. multiple times, especially before becoming governor. um nothing i wouldn't have done for him. not that he wouldn't have done for me. and he was at your inauguration. we see him standing there. in the second row. you said that it was cold by the way, and he wore a hat that i'm still wondering where where it came from. there's a lot of people my age are around my age and in this city and in this state that are in a position of leadership or or or in the business community because of because of tommy. but more than that, i mean, he's one of my probably one of my five closest friends. he'd been through every phase of parenthood. um and i've never i mean, i grew up with a brother and i have a daughter and a son. but him having helped raise four daughters would would try to give me the best kind of advice.

did he give you all that? because you do need dads need advice? we all know it. uh dick skin and love. um that was typically what do you say? he just say you just you just love them. you were actually were the one who called his wife. to let her know. she deserves to know. um i came here immediately. after originally getting a text and i noticed some office in frankfurt that there was a mass shooting going on and then getting the address that it was my bag. and then getting the information that happened in the boardroom that i knew. several of my friends would would be i knew it would be ours. before. others could call her and i thought you deserved to know and we're real close. i think right now to where i made that call artists. i've been governor during this pandemic. i've been

governor during tornadoes. and floods. negative 45 degree wind chills and everything else. we've lost a lot of people during those, but calling your friend's wife who's also your friend to tell her that her husband is gone as, um amongst the hardest thing i have ever done, but at the same time she deserves to know. and to know from you. what do you want people to remember about him. you talk about what a good friend he wasn't a great dad. great smile is eyes lit up when he did it, uh, loved life. i was always into something. um you know, trying to make the city a better place trying to make university of louisville better place trying to just always end to something always working. always thinking about that next step. i mean, heck, he was he was trying to plan for me for when i'm done being governor, um

which was something i hoped that we could eventually. uh playing together. um, but amazing. human being a loving uh, dad. amazing husband. i hope. but someday i'm half the husband that he's been just just a really good friend. i think one thing that's important to know is your campaign is actually being based out of that building where the shooting happened. yeah, we, um i mean, i worked out of that building. for a couple of years on and off, and now everybody in it. i got to hug some people who are on the second floor where we were that or okay, and i got to see i got to see a couple of people from the bank who are also very close friends, one who was shot in the e r, but knowing he was going to make it he always says hey, boss to me, um when i see him house really

great moment really terrible day and then found out later someone that i was initially told had died was alive and unhurt and for that, i'm i'm grateful to god. i think one thing that is really striking to me is something we heard from the chief medical officer at the at the hospital here, dr jason smith. who i know is a friend of yours. we've been through a lot together. he had this moment that i want to play for you. for 15 years i've cared for victims of violence and gunshot wounds. and people say i'm tired, but i'll be answered. it's more than tired. i'm weary. there's only so many times you can walk into a room. and tell someone they're not coming home tomorrow. what's it like for you to hear? the frustration in his voice about what they deal with jason well, and he he cares. and we battled covid together. uh um. he, uh really? cares and we think a lot

rightfully so about the police and the fire department and the e. m s that show up there on the scene, but our surgeons, those nurses, their first responders to the first part. uh, of the battle for people's lives is stopping that shooter. the second part. is fighting for those that have been injured, and they lost. deanna. that night, doing their best. they are also really on that front line of trying to save somebody's life and i think that's what you hear from jason. he said that he felt weary, do you do you feel that too? um violence hurts us all. none of us want to lose somebody, especially people. we know. and care about and i can understand if jason is seeing so many people that doesn't have to adjust his schedule. how that hurts, but let me just say this.

it's going to sound odd, but i'm glad it's still hurts because it means he still cares. and he is still pushing. and he is still trying and it should show how much how vested right invested. every one of those doctors and nurses are to saving people's lives, and it ought to tell deanna's family that they tried as hard as i could. an officer will who we're praying. for i know they've given him the very best chance of survival. if it was my life, i trust jason joining me now is scott jennings, my cnn colleague and also a native of kentucky. scott. i mean, you grew up in this area, you know it so well from the state. what's it like to hear the governor and such a state of just raw emotion? about what? what the community is dealing with my offices in louisville, my family and i, we live right outside of there. i went to university of louisville governor. bashir and i are the same age 45. we've known each other since we were 16. and although we're in different parties, and we've been on the

opposite side of a lot of political battles in the state when you hear the interview you can really hear the whole that's in his heart, and i think that's really reflected in a lot of people in the community. louisville is a small town. it's the biggest city in kentucky. but it's really a small town and everybody has some connectivity with people in that bank. tommy elliott, certainly that was the governor's friend was a pillar of the community and someone that so many people knew that area of louisville two is kind of a place where most people go . it's right next to the minor league baseball stadium. where where we did the interview. yeah, i take my kids there that whole area restaurants. it's near the waterfront there on the river. that's a couple blocks away from where the university of louisville plays basketball and one of our biggest event venues, so that part of town i think is easy for people to visualize that. hey you know, if this is happening at a different time of the day, they could have been walking by. they're even going into that building. and so when i see the governor um and i

see how emotional he is. and how much this is affected him. i my heart really goes out to him. the victims, their families. the people in that bank. louisville is hurting. and you just hear that reflected in his voice in the impact that it's had on the community. i mean, we drove by the bank today before his interview, and you can see it's haunting kind of to see the body camera footage from the officers and the d. c exactly where they were, as the shooter was trying to ambush them, of course in the lobby. but also to hear from the doctor at the hospital, who said they barely had to change their their schedule essentially to deal with the victims of the shooting because they deal with it so regularly and how they feel about it. louisville has had a spiking homicide rate. over the last few years. we've been a violent city. in fact, while this shooting was occurring at the bank, a totally separate and unrelated shooting was happening a few blocks down the street that the police we're having to respond to. i think they they didn't catch the guy when that one was happening, and so violence in louisville has

become something of an epidemic , and there's different kinds of violence and different motivations for all of it, but people in louisville have come to believe i think the city is got a real problem and no one has all the answers. but i can tell you right now the city feels the mayor craig greenberg, by the way, the mayor of louisville was nearly assassinated himself during his own campaign. he was shot in his campaign office through the sweater. he uh you know, thankfully you know, wasn't injured, but that gives you an idea of just this is the top topic in the city of louisville. why is this a violent place right now? and how are we going to recover from this tragedy? and what are we gonna do about it? and just the idea that the governors campaign was being run out of that building where this shooting happened, and obviously hit a lot of praise for officer nick wilton court galloway that first two who were on the scene . scott's going to stay with us. we have much more of this exclusive injury with governor bashir ahead in his fight for gun reform in a state that has loosened gun restrictions. don't

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a similar thing. except this was at a school that happened in nashville. or children were killed three children, three adults. what is a conversation? between two governors who have just experienced these mass shootings, both lost friends in them. yeah. what's that conversation even like so, bill and i, um i've got to know each other a little bit first in an effort to combat human trafficking that john bel edwards brought us and our spouses together on and then i called him for help. after a flooding, we needed more more helicopters with hoist to save people during the flooding, and he sent them. at a moment's notice, and then he lost one of those pilots. he could hear the pain and in his voice. just like i think people can and in mine it hurts that i lost a friend. i'm sure it hurts marianne a whole lot more that she lost her husband. or their daughters that they lost. um, a father. in this

in terms of loss. i'm a close friend. but i really want to be there for the families. and the kids. i can see that. going back to governor lee. one thing that he did. after was he signed an executive order to strengthen background checks, is calling on lawmakers in his state to pass essentially the equivalent of a red flag law. do you see yourself taking a similar step here following what happened? just a few steps away. i haven't read his executive order yet, but in the past i've been very clear that i believe we can respect and honor people's second amendment rights to protect themselves and their family. but at the same time at least take a step so that we can intervene when we know somebody's about to go out and murder a whole bunch of people. red flag law involves the court system. it ensures that everybody's rights are protected . that evidence is heard. it has every check on it that we could ask for. but at least it lets us

stop. that next individual, at least when we know before they murder people and listen. i know people will say that wouldn't stop. the situation probably wouldn't have maybe it will the next one. i don't want another family go through this. you've been calling for a red flag law. for a while. now do you think one can get passed here? you know the state really well. well, certainly have those conversations. i don't want to give anybody false hope, but i'm going to continue. um maybe i can share even my perspective on . what it's like heaven, a friend murdered and again. this protects everybody's second amendment rights and absolutely does but at the same time, i mean, i'd like to think democrats and republicans red or blue. anybody on the ideology can come together and say if we know somebody is right on that brink of going out and committing a horrendous action, don't you think we should be able to take action? i don't i don't even think that's

political. i just think that that's the right thing to be able to do in that circumstance, and i hope we can all agree on that. one thing that has been brought to the forefront as people have talked about what's happened here in kentucky is two weeks before the shooting kentucky past what is called is the second amendment sanctuary, making the state a second amendment sanctuary. it came to your desk. you didn't sign it. you didn't veto it. do you wish you had vetoed it? my friends wouldn't be alive. my friend wouldn't be alive whether i vetoed it, or or or or didn't and so in this circumstance. i feel the personal ah! loss the bill in constitutional. we all know that we all know what federal preemption is. do you think it will? it'll get struck down. challenged. yes. challenge. that's a key part of that. you talked about mental health? you mentioned that earlier we heard the 911 call from the shooter's mom. and they put out a statement from the

family saying that connor, like many of his contemporaries, had mental health challenges that they were actively addressing. but they say there are no warning signs no indications based on their statement. what needs to be done. do you think to people who do have these challenges? i think there is a recognition out there that we have to do more and not just in these circumstances, but in our every day i've got to middle schoolers. it is so much harder to be a kid. with social media right now, and it breaks my heart to watch what they and their friends go through. and so while we have the laws were not seeing them utilized in that right way. certainly we've made some real strides, putting the 988 ah, hotline in so people can actually call someone ready and trained to deal with mental health. we also gotta break down the stigma. it's okay to not be okay. i'm not okay right now. and a lot of us are going to be okay for a while and i and i believe when we talk about

mental health, we always try to talk about that last moment or this individual. we've got to start in our everyday lives. alright. we gotta start making sure that people are getting help as they're dealing with things long before it reaches this point, because we always try to rewind time. and figure out when we could have stepped in. well i think the answer ought to be as early as possible. the mayor of louisville mayor greenberg, had this plea that basically they wanted the city to be able to make their own decisions when it comes to firearms when it comes to regulation. outside of just what the state decides. you see that as something that will actually happen. i don't know of any city in kentucky or or really, i don't know about, um, cities and other states. i haven't seen that before. uh, in kentucky. would certainly be a challenge on the enforcement but removal starting. we need to listen to what they propose. it doesn't mean that ultimately, people go forward with it or

not, but to at least have a conversation and not yell at each other, right? it's going to sound really simple. i just wish we show a little more love. a lot less of the hate where the anger or the disagreement we need to after the worst the worst, whether it's online or in person. you just all right. when people are dead. be nice to each other. just it's not hard. certainly makes you feel better than being angry with somebody. and we can't. we can't go on with trying to appeal the anger. appeal to hate whether it's in our politics or or in our online activity is we're taught. as kids to show love and kindness were taught in church to show love and kindness. it doesn't have to be that complicated. governor. i know this is a tough time for you. we're really grateful for your time right now. thank you. thanks for telling tommy and get on. josh

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good kids don't kind of not violent, never done anything. okay and you don't believe he owns guns. i know he wasn't only guns, okay? and so did the roommate mentioned him having any weapons or anything. um i don't. i don't know anyone. i'm sorry. scott jennings is back with me. also joining us tonight . cnn's shimon prokupecz and julian peterson, who is a renowned forensic psychologist and co founder of the violence project research center. studying gun violence, is also the co author of the violence project. how to stop a mess shooting epidemic. julian i want to start with you. you hear that desperation in the mother's voice. she's making that 911 call given you study this what stood out to you from that? yeah that 911 call. actually it reminded me of a lot of parents of mass shooters that i've spoken with. so as part of my research, i've done interviews with parents of shooters and

people who knew them. a lot of them will say, maybe they knew something was off. something seemed wrong. they seem depressed. they were a bit worried, but they weren't actually worried about a mass shooting. specifically many of them will say this was out of character. they were trying to intervene, but they didn't know what to do. you can kind of just hear this sort of shock and fear in her voice. yes, and so given that and also given the dynamic of this being a workplace shooting, you know when, just in recent weeks we were talking about school shootings. what is something that people people look for? when you when you talk about preventing this from happening? when it comes to bold school shootings and workplace shootings. the most likely perpetrator by far is an insider . so a student of that school and employee of that workplace um you're looking for things like noticeable changes in behavior changes in are they coming to work on time? how are they acting? we call it kinds of signs of a crisis. oftentimes perpetrators leak their plans. they tell other people that

they're thinking of doing this. they tell other people that they're suicidal. um and these really are kind of angry suicides meant to make headlines so any warning signs would be any signs of sort of suicidality or crisis. sean what do you make of what you heard from the governor there when we were talking about red flag laws because it's not totally clear. that would have helped in this situation, if, if the if his own parents didn't know that he had access to guns, parents, family , other family members, other friends no one really. maybe understood. just what kind of crisis he was having. certainly if you from everything we know now, based on the mother's reaction to this, there was never any indication that he was ever into guns was interested. guns so no one would ever think he would go and purchase a gun and we know there's evidence that he had no idea how to use this weapon. at first, he had no idea that how to take the safety off how to charge the gun. i mean, it actually delayed some of his actions that day, so it's

very hard. um in this case, i think you know, as the governor said, you know, if people don't know how can you stop it right so um, it's an interesting point that he makes and certainly an interesting issue with the mental health crisis that we see in a lot of these instances in these incidents, obviously a huge focus on kentucky's gun laws, which are some of the loosest in the nation, and we talked about not only no red flag laws, new universal background checks. there's the permanence concealed carry. we've seen what the republicans in the state house there i've done with passing, making it a second amendment sanctuary to where, like what biden signed into law last summer would not apply to gun owners there. how does that factor into all of this? the political dynamics and kentucky are very simple. you know, the city of louisville is a democratic city that where this shooting happened. the mayor is a democrat and most of the elected officials. are democrats everywhere else in the state outside of lexington, which is 80 miles down the road is a rural state that is fiercely protective of gun rights. the second amendment, um

it's a very republican state. there are republican super majorities in both chambers. it's actually quite unusual. every other state official in frankfurt is a republican. except for andy bashir, who is the only democrat really in power in the state capital. so the political dynamics in my opinion, uh, would tend towards no change here. i mean, look, i mean, we've been having this debate in this country for a long time. now republicans don't believe guns are the problem. they believe people are the problem. the democrats tend to think the guns are the problem and in kentucky uh, the republicans really other than governor bashir have have most if not all the policy making power on this front, so i wouldn't expect a lot of changes , particularly when you get down to the question of what a law have stopped someone from snapping like this and doing this and no one can seem to give an answer in the affirmative. what about like a background check? i mean, when you think about this this weapon he went and purchased it six days before so let's say if they said okay, we'll let us do a background check on you. let's see and how

they've gone and spoken to people in his family. i don't know what what? what that would look like what that would entail. but certainly someone would have said wait a second something. why is this person who's going through a mental health crisis? why is it? yeah i mean, i don't know, right? that's but that's something that certainly keeps coming up. that i think i think there is something to the idea that maybe the criminologist star expert can tell us, but i do think there's something to the idea that people know people and, you know, we know a lot about each other. i don't know that as a society. we know exactly how to funnel that information. you know, we all know people in our in our social circles. and you hear things or, you know things . i just you get the feeling that as we in the policy making process, we just don't really know how to funnel the kind of intelligence that would lead to a process that would stop someone before something bad. talked about prevention strategies. what would something like what scott's talking about? look like you know, it's hard in this specific case, because i'm

sure the details are still emerging. we often find we don't really understand the details of what happened until sometimes months later, but i've studied about 200 of these cases, and we know that 80% of the time perpetrators are in a noticeable crisis over 50% are telling other people they're planning it when it comes to school shootings, 90% are telling other people that they're planning it . so the warning signs are there . what we need is systems in place to share that information. and we need reporting systems. we need crisis response teams. and i think sometimes it's too bad that we've pitted solutions against each other, right. it's very easy for somebody who is saying they want to hurt themselves and somebody else to get their hands on a weapon very quickly. we also have way too many young men in this society who want to hurt themselves and someone else, and that's also a problem and we have to tackle both at once. julian peterson. shimon scott, thank you all for being here tonight. up next. a judge is now accusing fox news of lying about evidence on the eve of its defamation trial.

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call now. 807 100020. judge tonight, citing fox news from misconduct just a day before jury selection begins and what could be a crippling defamation trial. the judge ruling today that fox failed to turn over tapes of one of their host, speaking with trump's attorneys , giuliani and sidney powell, the judge also said he would appoint an outside special master to examine whether or not fox attorneys properly without improperly withheld more key evidence. fox has denied any wrongdoing. one of its attorneys said that quote nobody intentionally withheld information. but this is all before we are even getting to the who's who of the possible witnesses that could be called to testify, including on air hosts like tucker carlson, sean hannity, brett baer, even though it's powerful executives at the network like rupert murdoch, for right now, i want to bring in one of my colleagues who spent 16 years at fox, alison cammarata. who knows better than

anyone what's going on inside there? what it is like working inside of there when it comes to rupert murdoch and the idea that we may see him on trial. talk about what the moment when roger ailes, who was the incredibly powerful executive at fox left, he was pushed out after the sexual harassment claims, and there was kind of this power vacuum at fox of who is making the calls, and i want to be clear. i mean, i haven't been there for a long time. so i wasn't there when roger was ousted, so i don't know that i know better than anyone. but i do know anecdotally because i do still have friends who work there, some of whom are very distressed by what's going on. some of whom think that this is business as usual, and so when roger was ousted my understanding from my friends who were still there was that rupert murdoch took on a more primary, more visible role than he had been so in other words, he was the voice on the other end of the speaker phone in show meetings in staff meetings. he was more of a physical presence in the headquarters there in midtown manhattan, and he was just around more. you know what?

for my years there he was only visible at a christmas party once a year. but my understanding is that after roger left, he became more prominent. now we're on the eve of this trial. what do you think it's like inside? the newsrooms of fox right now inside the control rooms there and also do you think the outcome of the trial if it goes forward? regardless of what happens? do you think it changes anything for their audience at all? well, i want to start there because i think that look, nobody likes being duped. so i think that if their viewers find out that they were intentionally misled and or lied to, they'll be angry. but i also think that their viewers are often hermetically sealed in a chamber where they don't know. light comes in. then and they're not watching any other news channels or any other channels. and so i happen to know for a fact that some of their viewers don't know this is happening. don't know anything about it. i have never heard about it, so it's possible that they never hear about never hear about it,

and they're still in a vacuum and what would change after that? i assume they just wouldn't book people like rudy giuliani and sidney powell, who could get them in trouble. but i don't think anything would change in terms of feeding their viewers exactly what they want, which is not necessarily news and real information. yeah it's a trial. that could be remarkable. alison thank you and make sure you stick around because up next on cnn tonight dirty jobs. mike rowe is going to join allison and her panel to talk about cornell. objecting students calls for trigger warnings in class. and also at 11. some of the best reporters here at cnn will join allison with their scoops of the day and also what they're looking forward to tomorrow. speaking of fox, the fourth season of succession, recently kicked off on our sister network, hbo. it's the hit series that eerily resembles the media dynasty like the murdochs that are locked in a power struggle. we have the reporter who is now pulling back the curtain on the real life succession in the murdoch empire. next. dp wee understand

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from a recent episode of the tv series succession where logan roy stood on boxes of copy paper to address the newsroom at 80 n a moment that mirrors this real scene from 2007 when rupert murdoch did the same thing in a speech to the staff of the wall street journal. the parallels between fact and fiction have always been in intentional, but they may be more striking than you actually once believed a new vanity fair cover story digs into the chaotic last 12 months for rupert murdoch. er of that article. gabe sherman joins me now gave it is striking. i think to so many people to see if you're watching succession. and if you're reading this story you wrote how much the two mirrors obviously that's on purpose. but in real life this fighting for the empire the questions of who's going to take over it. what that's going to look like. yeah caitlin, this is really a portrait of a family that's at

war with itself over the future , not only of a multi billion dollar business but of the future really of conservative media in america. rupert's younger son, james murdoch, has been trying to steer the company back towards the middle back towards more a legitimate form of news. and rupert's oldest son, lachlan, the current ceo in the golden child of the family, really is trying to keep the fox wedded to its right wing politics. and so the drama you see playing out on succession. um on on hbo is really you know, art imitating life, given that it's also so much about the white house as well, and there's this one part of your story that stood out to me, which is where rupert murdoch called trump right before biden was going to be inaugurated, urging him to concede and you have reporting on what trump's response to that was yeah. no, caitlin. this is what trump told rupert murdoch is that in fact, he wasn't going

to concede he's clung to his stolen election myths, and he said that, in fact he would start arrival. conservative new channel to put fox out of business, and i think that anecdote is a microcosm of the fact that rupert murdoch for all his money, his billions of dollars in his power. really became a hostage to the fox news audience to the trump base that was more more loyal to trump the man than to fox, the network. and so the fact that fox could not push trump aside, really put pressure them to embrace these dominion insane conspiracy theories that they're now going to be on trial for next week. so i think one of the ironies of my piece that i took away is again this family is so rich there so powerful. and you had just like the characters on succession. they still can't control events is the concern that you report on when it comes to the dominion trial that once it's over, there is no empire or what the devastating effects of what that could look like. now listen to

yeah. i mean, i think you know, it's unclear what the financial penalties would be. if they do lose the trial, you know, dominion has has obviously sued for $1.6 billion, but i think without question a reputational e. you know, they've already been hobbled in their own words. fox news host like sean hannity , tucker carlson, even executives like rupert and lachlan murdoch have been exposed as saying that they knew these claims about the stolen election were false, but they put them on air anyways for ratings, so in their own world words this trial has already exposed fox host as propagandists so again, regardless of the financial impact, i think this will be a historical moment that will forever color how people see fox news. yeah and we should know that trial is set to cook off tomorrow. gabe sherman. thank you, and also want to point out tonight that cnn and hbo are owned by the same parent company, warner brothers. discovery will be right back.

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