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online in a venue widely used by gamers in a group the suspect led, possibly for the benefit of just a few dozen members lot to cover tonight. cnn's jason carroll starts us off in the suspect's hometown. so how did authorities identified this person and how did the arrest unfold? well, let's start with the arrest anderson it happened here. indictment massachusetts just south of boston. you can see law enforcement still here on maple street. this is the street where the suspect jack to share a lived with his mother. the arrest went down late this afternoon. camera cameras were up above. as it all happened. you can see the suspect being taken into custody by the fbi hands above his head wearing red shorts. slowly backing into the custody of fbi agents also want to let you know what we know about the suspect so far, his full name jack douglas to share a he's 21 years old member of the air national guard airman
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first class his duty title, cyber transport systems, journeymen, basically and i t specialist he entered the air national guard back in september . 26th of 2019 what. of his friends, telling my colleague evan perez that he was recruited into the air national guard back when he was in high school. also as you were mentioning he was the leader of this online group on discord where they shared mutual information that they were interested in things like gaming guns also sharing racial memes and according to what federal investigators are saying he also shared a great deal of confidential information. classified information. now the questions come why someone in his position in his rank had access to this type of classified information. this is something that those inside and outside the intelligence community are going to be discussing for some time it. meanwhile his legal troubles are
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now just beginning of the next steps in the case. i mean, now that he's in custody right, right. so tonight, theoretically , he'll be processed in custody of u. s marshals tomorrow. he will have his initial court appearance that will be in front of a federal judge at the u. s district court in boston will be informed of the charges against him. likely he'll be also advised of his rights. but what would be of keen interest again is when he is informed of the charges against him. that's where we're really going to be hearing how serious this is and the number of charges is going to end up basic andrew carroll appreciate it. thanks, jason for more now on the steps being taken to tighten security as well as what we're learning about how it failed and how this all unfolded. i want to go to cnn national security correspondent jim sciutto. so, jim, is it clear how someone of this age and rank would have access to some of the united states? most sensitive intelligence? listen, anderson, the phrase need to know comes to mind not clear what his need to know was 21 years old airman,
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first class third lowest rank for the massachusetts national guard. but there's also a detection question here for the number of weeks that this information was out there unprotected, the defense department of the intelligence agencies has the biggest number of people with security clearances that what might allow them access to these documents, and they've run into problems before you remember the chelsea manning case in one of the discoveries from that case was just how many people have access . they try to institute some changes in the wake of that one thing to prevent outside flash drives from being allowed to enter department computers. also things like monitoring searches and seeing what is actually printed out. but clearly those measures put in place after chelsea manning did not work here, and we're learning tonight that the defense secretary lloyd austin, has already called for yet another review of what kind of people have access to this and why. and what about this? this person's motivation not
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just to take the documents, but to distribute them to the it is. little chat group online generally falls into four categories. they use an acronym mice for this, and those four categories are money, ideology, coercion of foreign power or someone who has the goods on you , for instance, but also ego. it's not clear here. i mean, you have a young man, part of a group where there may have just been some simple boasting going on. right. here's what i know and sharing it in that context, but that's going to be one of the first things that goes on here right in. interrogation to figure out as we're watching the pictures there of his arrest there exactly what motivated him to do this and do. government officials have a full grasp yet on the damage assessment, you know, they don't but but i've spoken to people involved in the number of categories of information involved here and the timeliness of those categories is hugely concerning . just look at the information that relates to the ukraine war . us. assessments of the planned
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ukrainian counter offensive. the fact according to these documents that there are special forces for a number of countries, including the us on the ground, there were small number in ukraine things like egypt, considering supplying weapons to russia, but but also other categories. chinese progress on hypersonic missile tests for interesting instance this shows the broad category here, but that also reveals things to our adversaries. what we know what the u s nose but also how they might know that so that these countries can can try to plug holes perhaps here, but it's not good. anderson appreciate it. thanks so much perspective, now from a counterintelligence veteran, former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe is currently cnn senior law enforcement analyst also serving air national guardsman lieutenant colonel adam kinzinger, cnn senior political commentator from illinois republican congressman. andrew sources telling cnn. the suspects in this case was under surveillance for at least a couple of days before his arrest. does it surprise you
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that i mean, given what you know about national security that someone at this rank would have access like this? it's a little curious anderson. it's not. i don't think it's unprecedented, and we still have a lot to learn about exactly how this individual came in contact with these, uh, pieces of intelligence. it may be that he had a security access to a certain level because he needed as a as a cyber kind of i t person he needed access to the systems. uh that needed maintenance and skiffs or in other areas where intelligence is processed, but he may not have been the actual designated recipient of any of these pieces of intelligence. he may have pulled him out of the burn bags or taking them off people's desks and use them for his own purpose. so we really have a lot to learn going forward about exactly how this guy went about what he did. congressman given your member of the international guard. i mean, does it does it
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surprise you that someone of his age and rank would have this access? i think what you just heard from andrew is probably pretty accurate, which is, my guess would be so initially, when i heard about this. i assumed he worked in the vault. we call the skiff the vault in the military side of it on the pilot side or that he was like an intel troop. the fact that he was cyber leads me to believe he either had access to the vault or, as andrew suggested he had access to those systems, but likely was not necessarily given the ability to see that he just knew how to do it. that's quite possible. we don't know. but look, i mean, it's kind of a catch 22 here because it is important, you know, it's important to be able to recognize the international guard is the air force there? it's not a different thing. and so anything. the air force needs the air, national gardening. and so some of that is intel around the world, different areas. you know, i fly an rc 26. we do a lot of counter drugs, so we need to know a little about cartels and what's going on in south america. and so that stuff's important. i'm not sure, though, that every military unit needs to know the high level details.
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for instance of you know how much air defenses left in ukraine. i'm not sure why. that's a benefit for a fighter units, so certainly we need i think, go back and go over. what is the intel that's present but also at the same time, let's not hamstring our ability to fight a war because of this weak link in that chain into how difficult an investigation do you think this was tracking down someone based on images posted online? how difficult could it be to monitor from more leaks like this? well conducting this investigation. my sense is it probably wasn't that difficult simply because based on the open source reporting we've heard as soon as they knew where this stuff originated on that discord channel that gives the bureau a lot of cyber forensic leads that they can pursue to identify the people who are participants in that channel and then just kind of start ruling them out one by one, so i sounds like that's what they went through. i think they did the right thing by surveilling him before disrupting it. because you
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really want to see you want to see that person communicate. you want to see who they meet with what they do before you stop them to be to be able to conclusively rule out whether or not they're actually working for a foreign power. as for the appearance of that material in that discord channel um the idea that the government is going to effectively monitor every private channel across the internet is just that is not going to happen, and that is quite frankly, not something any of us should want to happen. we don't we don't monitor the internet in this country and less. of course, someone in that channel was already under an investigation was predicated subject of investigation. you might be able to do that, with cord authorized surveillance, but you know the military or the intelligence community's not out there looking for pieces of intelligence on every every corner of the internet. congressman jim shadow, you know, mentioned a few minutes ago. motivations for leaks usually fall under one of four categories. money ideology, compromise or ego ego sort of seemed like the most likely
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factor here. based on on what we know so far again. 100% i mean, it was, you know, initially, i kind of thought maybe it's ideology, so maybe there are reports a little that he's kind of anti government maybe anti the russian war. but it sounds like he was just trying to impress his buddies and look at, you know, 21 year old with access to this intel. most people would be kind of proud. they have access to the intel, assuming he was actually authorized to have it. but you know, keep that secret, right stuff secret to keep, but you keep it. um he seems like he wanted, you know, approval from the 20 guys he had on this, uh, on this server, and it sounds like as i've read one person of that, actually, then spread that material onto a different area, and it just blew up from there, and it's terrible. i mean, it's look just like edward snowden. this is a massive kind of breach of our intelligence, and it could easily cost human lives just because of one kid zygo andrew other members. the suspects online group have implied that not all the documents he posted may have
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have come to light. what could that mean for how the legal process could play out? well you know, that's really the phase of the investigation there and now , right? they're executing search warrants at i understand . he lived part time with both of his parents in different places. i was work location, things like that. they're going to be going through every device this guy ever touched to see if there are additional documents that we're not aware of yet that have been squirreled away somewhere. so that's really a big part of the investigation. now is that damage assessment? part of that is trying to scrape up all the classified that spilled anywhere and really get it back under control. um he, of course, will face really significant criminal penalties for all of this, ironically enough. he has a lot of information that the government needs at this point, so he will have the opportunity to cooperate in the criminal prosecution process and that could gain him some advantage and reduced charges or reduced sentencing. because how long do you think he could serve time?
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assuming he's found guilty? you know violations of the espionage act, which he could be looking at. a few of those are all punishable by 10 years in prison violation of 1924, which is unauthorized removal and retention of classified as another five years, so it really depends on how aggressively they charge him. those things can stack up pretty quick. mccabe adam kinzinger, thanks so much appreciate it coming up next to former president back in manhattan facing yet another legal threat today, the latest on the answers. he gave him a fraud case that if he loses could mean the end of his family business in the state of new york. that and how he's conducted himself during these depositions in the past, and later a mixed ruling on the abortion pill that's likely headed now to the supreme court at the justice department weighed in later today.
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the fifth more than 400 times. do we know what happened today? anderson sources tell us that over the nearly seven hours, the former president answered all the questions that were posed to him these questions about his business how he valued some of these assets, including mar-a-lago, trump tower and other properties, and we're also told by sources that the new york attorney general leticia james herself was in the deposition. so another time. putting these two rivals head to head as they've been sparring for years over this investigation, which led to the lawsuit in september. now we're also told that you know this marks a shift in the strategy as you said former president did not answer questions back in august when he was deposed. then he was in the lawsuit was filed , and now they're in this discovery process as this case is heading toward trial at a trial, a jury could have what is known as an adverse interest that is to hold everything that trump has declined to answer to against him. that goes to the heart of this lawsuit. so this is a strategic move by trump's
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team to now answer questions, although it is not without risk because the manhattan district attorney's office, which announced the criminal charges involving the hush money payments last month, they are still investigating the same issues is better at playing the civil lawsuit. that's the accuracy of these financial statements, suggestion by the trump team that they feel strongly that they've got a good case that they can't you can't incriminate himself from the federal prosecutor standpoint and their burden of proof, but it certainly is a risky gamble that they made today and what's at stake for the former president is business. right so as you said, this is a lawsuit that they filed where they're seeking $250 million on the trump organization is a large company owns a lot of real estate, some steady properties that have a lot of steady income , but they're also as part of this if they were to succeed in the lawsuit, they're looking to ban the trump failing members from doing certain types of real estate and other business transactions in new york. this is the home base of donald trump's business empires where he built trump tower owns leases
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at this skyscraper behind me on wall street so significant at stake here, even though the former president has moved to florida, it is still the place where he built his fortune and his family business is still run out of here, so certainly could be a lot of significant changes. if james were to win this case, anderson appreciate it. thank you. if you're wondering what the former president is like when he's being deposed, there's history here to look back on. cnn's randi kaye has done just that. mr trump. what did you do to prepare for today's examination? and ranger said. very little former president donald trump being deposed by attorneys from the new york attorney general's office in august 2022. the deposition is part of attorney general leticia james is $250 million civil lawsuit against trump, three of his children and his company for allegedly taking part in a more than decade long fraud. throughout the deposition, trump , who once said if you're innocent, why would you take the
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fifth? did exactly that trump. i take it you are not going to answer any questions. i declined to answer. the question declined to answer. the question declined to answering the question more than 400 questions were posed to trump over several hours. he refused to answer a single one, invoking his right against self incrimination. he did read a statement, though, and with james, sitting to his side, just off camera, he boldly used it to attack her cannot permit a renegade and out of control. prosecutor to use this investigation as a means of advancing her political career. he was like that he started off . okay, like, simmer, and then slowly, the pipe was boiling and boiling and boiling. attorney glenn's icts knows trump's deposition style. he deposed trump in the 19 nineties in a case involving eminent domain, trump was trying to take possession of an elderly widows home in atlantic city to use it as a parking lot for his casinos, limousines. sites told
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me during our 2018 interview that it wasn't uncommon for trump to insult those deposing him. how would you describe his technique called a non responsive answer? he will add things on he'll make self serving statements shuck and jive if i asked donald and that question. i said, donald, what time is it? he probably tell me how to build a clock in this deposition from 2015 when trump was being sued for fraud in the trump university case, trump claimed he couldn't remember names of instructors despite once saying this that you have one of the best memories in the world. i don't know that i use those that expression. yes where chrissy i can i can play the video view of reporter reporting great memory or one of the best in the world. at one point, trump was confronted about the university lying to perspective. of students, claiming instructors had special access to trump himself. but trump refused to call it a lie, but i
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would say it's innocent hyperbole and i probably in this context the same thing as saying something is not accurate, right? you're talking about something this week. not at something is false. um didn't have dinner with him. i could see it being hyperbolic, false statement that these folks had dinner with you when they did not correct think it's hyperbole, said one of the biggest challenges opposing trump is trying to figure out if he's grossly unprepared or deliberately evasive problem is trying to figure out or the answers. a deliberate lie, or are they a product of someone who is indifferent? to the facts . randi kaye, cnn, palm beach, florida stay tuned tonight at nine eastern on cnn, primetime katelyn polantz gets reaction on the trump deposition. the intelligence leak story from former attorney general william barr again. that's nine eastern right here with katelyn polantz next for us abortion and developments on several fronts. have florida lawmakers just voted on becoming one of the
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distribution 38559. major developments tonight on abortion access with flores house late today, passing a six week abortion ban now goes to governor ron desantis, who is expected to sign it. this capped a day that began with the us fifth circuit appeals court, issuing a mixed ruling on a texas judge's order that would have suspended fda approval of the abortion drug method. press stone circuit's ruling freezes the judge's suspension order but buys into a key piece is legal in his legal reasoning about the plaintiffs having suffered enough concrete harm to have standing to bring the case at all. it also left intact parts of the ruling which limit access to the drug, namely the judges block on 2016 and 2021 revisions to the drug's approval, making it available to 10 weeks into pregnancy and that have seven and by mail earlier this evening , attorney general garland said the justice department will appeal to the supreme court and a federal judge in washington state. clarified and underscored his ruling barring the fda from making any moves to restrict access to mifid per stone in 17
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states and the district of columbia. join us now. cnn anchor and cnn senior legal analyst laura coates also back with us, dr jennifer conte, who teachers obstetrics and gynecology at stanford university school of medicine, dr conte. obviously a lot depends on what the supreme court does or does not do. but what are the possible implications that you're focused on tonight? thank you, anderson . so there are three really big things to sort of. keep in mind when you consider mythic kristen how it was originally improved, approved in 2000 and how we use it in this current day, and one of them is how far along in pregnancy, you can use it. so originally, the fda approved method christian through seven weeks of pregnancy. the fda has approved it more recently through 10 weeks, and evidence based medicine has actually shown us that we can use it up till 11 weeks of pregnancy. so that's really will set back by at least 34 weeks, the number or the amount of time that people can access abortion care if you think about it. a lot of the estates where surgical abortion
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is limited, this is essentially one of the only options left. the other thing that it really puts a damper is telehealth prescribing so right now, especially in 2021 when the f d a, you know, updated the protocol with covid. um we were able to prescribe medication abortions through telehealth services and that no longer will exist. and then the third part in this part i just blows. my mind is that it will bring us back to the original dose of mifepristone, which was 600 mg of mythic kristen, as opposed to the 200 mg that we've been using recently. so if the anti choice side is arguing that they are putting, you know bands on this medication in place because of the safety of this very safe medication. how then? is it okay that tomorrow we are asked to prescribe three times the amount that was originally and that that three times i mean the reason the dozing has been reduced as it's. it's proved to be effective and why expose people to more medicine? if you
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don't need to know what you're saying? exactly it's not that it's unsafe to use a higher dose . it's just that it's not needed. and so why use more medication than you need to laura? i'm wondering what you made of the appeals court ruling. they really took the fda to task in certain portions. they did. so this is kind of a mixture here. on the one hand, they're saying that the texas judge is wrong to essentially roll back the clock all the way to 2000 because they have essentially said it's been too long. it's been in the market has been relied upon. there are some significant public consequences. the idea of going back at 2000 is far too long. but the idea of 2016 doctor alluded to seems to be the fair game. and so they're saying, look. you can have this on the market, but we're going to roll back and make it harder for people to have access. not just what the doctor described and also having to get it in person, not allowing it to come in the mail as well and possibly having to visit doctors office up to three times and this is going to open a whole pandora's box of
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things. unlike the normal conversations anderson around abortion, whether you are in favor rabbit or against it, we're now in the territory of administrative law. we're now in the territory of powerful pharmacy. local companies were going to say, hold on a second if this drug is fair game for being considered not to be authorized. i gotta tell you there are thousands of other drugs that there'll be a chilling effect on innovation on marketability on our willingness to invest in them. and if you say supreme court, which is ultimately it's going to go. the supreme court decides that a single judge or multiple judges are able to undermine and usurped the authority of the authority authority and the agency and the fda. everything seems to be fair game. this might come down to a very nuanced part of the law about who has difference who should be deferred to in their decision making authorities and very little to do with the political
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and social discussions surrounding abortion themselves. and dr i mean, we've heard about doc. in certain states stockpiling the drug in advance of a final court decision. what other ways is this uncertainty impacting health care providers and patients? i mean, this is like, honestly, a game of hockey where you have no idea where the puck is. it's patients and providers shouldn't be panicking day to day trying to figure out what the law is today and how it's going to change tomorrow, and that's exactly what it's doing is causing a lot of confusion and chaos. which is exactly the point. you know, we mentioned the washington state judge who issued a ruling last week that upheld the drugs available in 17 states, plus washington, d. c. that judges now reaffirmed that order. i'm going to get more into the supreme court piece of this in a moment. we need a totenberg. but how unusual is it to have these conflicting rulings from different federal courts on such a specific issue at the same time? well in some instances, our system is built to be able to withstand these dueling different decisions. one of the
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reasons supreme court will often take cases is because they need to clarify when there is this duel going on. but make no mistake. it's not a coincidence that there are cases being brought in places like this specific district in texas and also being challenged in other places across this country. and so a lot of this was foreseeable , the timing of it as it came down and the opinions coming down, i doubt where all coordinated, but it also tells you this is exactly why it will be the fast track because the nation can't really rely on what to do on the status quo at this point in time. remember that washington case didn't apply everywhere. it applied only to those states where the attorneys general for those states actually brought a case which means talking about 16 plus washington, d. c there are 50 states in this union and so where there will be conflict. the court's got to come in and address it, but they're going to have to come down to again when you're talking about the dobbs decision in roe v. wade that was a constitutional matter the constitutional right to have
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access to abortion. this will be far more administrative about whether you are going to give deference to an agency or not. laura coates, dr conti appreciate it. thank you very much. again because he's going to the supreme court will join the legendary reporter on an analyst of the court, npr legal affairs correspondent nina totenberg. thanks so much for being with us you said earlier this week that the judge's ruling in texas was a quote radical decision. i'm wondering what you make of the fact that the appeals court frozen lee parts of his ruling and seemed to kind of go out of their way to echo some of his language and rebuked the fda. oh, i would say that the fifth circuit cited as much with him as it could, and what it couldn't do was do uphold where he the decision he made, uh, saying that the original. ah! fda approval. could still be challenged 23 years later, there's a statute
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of limitations in the law. and you you can't get around a statute of limitations. so they said, okay, for seven weeks, it's a you can. you can have this drug available where it can possibly be available. what the fifth circuit did was mainly side with the texas judge and also some seek to i think, keep an appellate decision for itself , and i can't imagine the supreme court will say, well, that's fine. but of course, you know it's hard to know what this court is going to do so just department they're asking the supreme court to intervene. um first of all, when do you think that would play out? and how do you think it might play out? well i think it's going to play out to some limited extent pretty fast. so the you know the justice department or has already filed briefs in the fifth circuit so it can rework some of those briefs. it's already told the supreme court
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were coming up here and if they can get something up even before saturday. ah then there will be what's called an administrative stay while the court asks for the other side to respond, and then gives itself time to decide how it wants to proceed. you know, we're almost at the end of the court term. uh they have a lot of big cases. they're trying to grind out and they're unusually behind very much behind way behind any any other term in modern memory. so do they want to put this on an expedited basis? in front of them right now. and added to an already very big load. or do they want to grant a stay and say we're going to hear this in all due in in in all due time and consideration in the fall when the court resumes for the next term, but for now, the
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status quo, which was the status quote before judge, um, the judge in texas ruled will remain the status quo because everything he did and everything that the fifth circuit did. we're going to put on hold, or they could do some permutation of that, um permutation would wreak further chaos suspect and the court has to know that so i don't know how they're going to view this, whether they want to get this done and done it done fast, or they want to take some time to think about it. and why are they so far behind right now? do you know no, i don't know. there's some theories that it's because of the way that the . the new rules that they have for handling draft opinions, jobs. leak, um fully account for it. i mean, this is a court that is quite clearly even among conservatives divided itself. so while some opinions will be 63,
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and they'll be very clear, and it will be just fine from their point of view, others there are lots of other cases and they're big and important cases. they're not as high profile perhaps, but they involve billions of dollars. they involved all kinds of questions and they are very behind and i think they don't particularly get along. long, very well at the moment and but that showing it's fascinating. nina totenberg. it's so good to have you on thank you. thank you . still ahead of texas county threatened to shut down its library is just to keep books that were once banned off the shelves. their decision next. good morning, everyone we do begin with breaking news. joining us now are two lawmakers from different sides of the aisle also live in ukraine, dr sanjay gupta award in denver. wait have you surrounded? you're
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tonight they voted to keep the libraries and operation for now. cnn's ed lavandera has details. thanks you just did it like crowds appeared afterwards spread this week that lando county commissioners were considering shutting down all of its public libraries. most people couldn't get into the meeting. land texas want to be know as the town. that closed the public library would begin the death nail for a fabric community. i am for closing the library until we get this filled up the ships fights over book bands have erupted all over the country. but the threat of shutting down libraries over the issue catapulted this texas hill country community into an unchartered political firestorm , leaving some residents tearful , keep the library open at all cost. at all costs. elaborate does part of me does. the landau library saga started when a group of residents pushed to get 17 books removed from the
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shelves. the titles included cast by pulitzer prize winning author isabel wilkerson. they called themselves the kkk, the birth of an american terrorist group being jazz my life as a transgender team. and some children's books that have farts and butts in the titles. suzette baker is the former atlanta librarian who was fired last year by county officials for refusing to remove the books. i would like to know how the history of the kkk it's pornographic. being anti racist. how's that pornographic? it's not. this is about taking away right. critics of these books have described him as pornographic and inappropriate for children. what do you say to that? there's nothing pornographic groups seen in them. and so i think to frame it is that, um, it's just wrong. last year, leila green, little and six other latino residents sued county officials to get the books put back in the libraries. last month, they won support
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from a federal judge who said the books should be reinstated. leno county commissioners reluctantly complied, but also took the unprecedented step of debating whether to close the libraries. these libraries are so important and for the county to threaten closure. three branches of the county's library system. all because of a ruling on a lawsuit isn't absurd. most of those supporting the removal of the books are now focused on what they say are several 100 other books filled with sexually explicit material. problem is that 250 that are still on the shelves. we cannot have this stuff in here. commissioners walked away from closing the libraries. for now, the library will remain open. try this in the courts, not through social media. working news media library fight has exposed deep rooted divides, many see it as a battle of good versus evil. and i believe that if people that
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are pushing this kind of thing, and they're going to wind up in the lake of fire forever and ever and ever, and that's a long time has been a lot of backlash for you. absolutely. in what way? socially there have been a lot of friendships that have ended because of this. this is not something that i undertook lightly because i knew the consequences. at 11. derek joins us now from atlanta, texas, and this is a remarkable does the decision to keep the library's open in the larger issue. clearly the larger issue book banning that county is not put to rest. i mean, it seems like they'll be more lawsuits. yes i think that's what was clear today is that this fight has changed. originally as we mentioned all of this started as a fight over 17 books, but many of the objections were raised by the opposition today had nothing to do with those initial 17 books. they raised objections about other books that they say totals more than several 100 others that they're concerned about, and several people that
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we spoke with today, anderson said that they would support the closing of the library in the future if those books aren't removed down the road. many of these people have not actually read the books in question. they just been given a list or they've seen a list online that some organization says are offensive and they're going by that. so it's remarkable lavandera. appreciate it. thank you just ahead, a suspect arrested in the murder of a well known tech exec bob lee. founder of cash, app. his murder sparked intense conversation about crime in san francisco. police now say that lee knew the man who allegedly killed him. details next. get a sign the universe is trying to tell you something around us. not that way. that's the one at university of phoenix . you could earn your masters degree in less than a year for under 11 k. four phoenix dot e. d u i have type two diabetes, but i manage it. well it's a little pill with a big story to
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police have the suspect is someone that lee actually knew. cnn's veronica miracle has the latest nine days after the stabbing death of cash app founder bob lee in san francisco . mr li's killer has been identified, arrested and now will be brought to justice. the suspect, 38 year old neema momeni, was booked on a murder charge early thursday. we are confident in the evidence that we have found so far, mr momeni is our focus and the single suspect in this case online profiles identify him as an it consultant and police say lee's murder was not a random act. we followed the evidence and there's a lot of evidence and the evidence shows that they knew each other. the final moments of robert lee's life were captured by surveillance video posted by the daily mail before the police had access to it, according to the police chief. and show the 43 year old tech executive in the early morning hours of april. 4th suffering from stab injuries and looking for assistance, screaming help, saying someone's
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death me advise he's bleeding out. this is not about san francisco. the murderer sparked renewed outrage over crime in san francisco, frustrating local officials. this is about human nature, like many homicides are many murders are and could have happened anywhere. the district attorney expressed frustration that the city was unfairly maligned in this case, calling out a tweet by elon musk, reckless and irresponsible statements like those contained in mr must tweet that assumed incorrect circumstances about mr lee's death served to mislead the world in their perceptions of san francisco. and also negatively impact the pursuit of justice for victims of crime. the mayor assured constituents that combating crime is a top priority. that is our goal to make san francisco a better, more safer city for each and every one of us, but the police chief said their first priority is finding justice for victims and their families. we have to keep the bigger picture in mind that this is a case with a man
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that lost his life who has people who love him that care about him that deserve justice. veronica merkel joins us now from san francisco. what more you learning about the suspect? well anderson. we spoke to somebody who works in the same office building as momeni, who described him as very kind, very generous with his time and very bright. momeni now faces a murder charge and an enhancement for using a knife in this murder. that's according to the district attorney. he will be arraigned here tomorrow in san francisco in the afternoon anderson miracle thanks just ahead. fort lauderdale experiencing a one in 1000 year reign event. details on the dealers next. yeah. mhm batman. does it like a snack man?
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wednesday's flooding, a month's worth of rain fell in just one hour. imagine that all told early estimates suggest that fort lauderdale's from more than 25 inches of rain in just 1 24 hour period. with more rain still expected, that's it for us. the news continues. cnn primetime with katelyn polantz starts now, caitlin much tonight we are following a dramatic turn in one of the most significant leaks and pentagon history. under arrest. a member of the air national guard suspected in the unprecedented leak of america's secrets fbi agents took to share into custody earlier this afternoon without incident. as global fallout intensifies. where does the investigation go? next we'll ask former attorney general bill barr plus lashing out former president trump sitting for a high stakes deposition as he sues his former fixer for $500 million in the wake of his new york indictment. i think he's really trying to intimidate him . michael cohen will join us to respond a t