for republicans, but it is quite bad when it's among republicans, right. so joe biden, not exactly the most popular guy among republicans 11% favorable rating in new york three jorge santos among republicans. also with an 11% favorable rating, so overall when you just kind of look at the numbers, anderson so some of them there's another republican thinking about running. they would look at those numbers and things in that district. i might have a good chance. exactly and there's already one declared, and i might argue he may be the first of many to follow because those numbers personally anderson from a professional point of view, they flat out stink. okay thank you, harriet. and i appreciate that. thank you continues. let's hinder pamela brown is seen in primetime. pamela. alright gotta love harriet and anderson. thank you so much. a major development tonight after a teenager is shot after showing up to the wrong house. charges filed a thorough review of the case file. i filed two felony counts. prosecutors charged the elderly white man who shot a black teenager who

mistakenly bring his doorbell while trying to pick up his siblings simply ringing a doorbell and being profiled here's shot in the head plus potential deal. the judge and the fox news defamation trial delays the start of the proceedings in order for fox to settle this case. what they have to do is admit wrongdoing. this a sign of a last minute hail mary will have a former fox insider on to discuss and field trip house republicans traveled to new york city to take on the manhattan d a over crime. he's taken his soft on crime approach to the real criminals, but democrats say republicans are covering up for trump not taking on the issue. you are not serious people. if you are serious about doing something about violence, please join us voters see it. cnn prime time starts now.

good evening. i'm pamela brown, a black teenager shows up to the wrong home by mistake and rings . the doorbell, the homeowner, a white elderly man shoots him twice and tonight, prosecutors are charging that man and say the color of the teen skin later roll 16 year old ralph ja rule out of the hospital tonight and recovering at home in missouri. his family says he arrived at the wrong address to pick up his siblings last week. police say there is no indication that any words were exchanged before the 84 year old fired shots. he is now charged with two felonies, assault in the first degree and armed criminal action and without specifics, the district attorney says race was a factor in the shooting. as the prosecutor, clay county, i can tell you there was a racial component. to the case. and joining me at the table tonight is cnn's athena jones and cnn senior legal analyst laura

coates. also cnn political commentator alyssa farah griffin and hbo's bomani jones, host of game theory. this case is just so disturbing, so horrific on so many levels. i think that it has been felt from coast to coast of this country, right? the idea. that a black teen goes up to the door to the wrong home and get shot twice. fortunately tonight , he is back at home recovery, which is really incredible. but now the man who shot him has been charged with two felony counts, but you just heard there . laura coates from the prosecutor, saying that there was a racial component in this shooting. why wasn't he also charged with a hate crime? well it seems that in missouri, which is where this is based in hate crime is actually a lesser felony than the two that he was charged with the latter one. the idea of the armed criminal conduct is really an enhancement based on what you're actually using to commit a felony, so i think they're thought there is charged the highest crime possible, even though there's a racial component, because that

would put you in a lower rung. but you're absolutely right, pam. i mean, as a mother, i cannot imagine the idea of sending my son to pick up his younger siblings and he just gets one part of the address wrong. just one part. there's no words that are exchanged. it seems and he has shot at in the arm and in the head and to have even the person who was the suspect now temporarily released while they were pending charges . that's part of the shockwaves here in this country. it's just that visceral reaction, right? it's just absolutely awful. i want to get to some reporting that we're actually just getting in that these documents that showed the suspect told police that he was quote scared to death due to the teens size bomani your reaction? no this. there's something fundamental about american law. when i was here last week, we were talking about the blm shooting at the protest in texas. and it gets back to something that really drives me crazy. and i know this seems very simple, but it's real. you can't just shoot people because you're scared now

legally, the basis for this is i was afraid and what you say that you're afraid you put a black person up there, people find it to be incredibly plausible. i just did was 16 years old, this neighborhood? apparently they're still scared of him. and i think it was an nbc had a report. he had to go to three houses before he could get somebody to help him. but before he could get somebody to help me pass out because nobody could help him, which is to say they were afraid of him. after he had actually been shot, right? but once you have this catch all idea, i was afraid. therefore i had to do this. and then you have all these laws stacked up to justify that sort of behavior. what are you gonna wind up here all the time? 10 years ago, we were having these discussions all the time about the police doing this within the cop. he's just old man at his house, and he walked through the door somehow was scared and opened the door, which i don't really understand that. yeah i mean, and police are saying that, um there was no communication between the two. i mean that to me as egregious as this is that even makes it worse that the team couldn't even say i'm looking for my siblings. he was just shot immediately, just

based on his appearance. i mean, that is what to play here, and i think that's what makes it so outrageous to burma's point. he could have just kept the door locked. he could have called the police. there's so many deescalate escalatory steps that could have been taken here. it is, without a doubt. the main factor in this is the racial element, but i also think there's a huge fear factor. there's this case in saratoga county, where a woman pulled into the wrong dr driveway and was shot dead by the owner of the home. he ended up being charged with the crime. but what is it in our society that we are so afraid of people we may not know or somebody who approaches us that we may be unfamiliar with. i think that's something much broader that we have to look at. but the color of his skin was the reason he pulled. confuse this with like, stand your ground or house related laws. people often say, like, you know, my house is my castle. and look, i've got every right to do what i want. if you come into my home in certain states, this is not that given where we're talking about and where the location of this teenager and i'll repeat again where the teenager was outside of this person's home. this is not implicate the same thing. but i

do think there's an opportunity for people to your point bomani to conflate these issues, and i think this must be that. and so this is an instance of my home is my castle, and i can protect it anyway. i want people i think are not giving him an olive branch here with this particular suspect, but there will be talking points that conflate that you're seeing on twitter. you always see a lot of details that people don't don't. they don't have the full story. and so people people are saying oh, well. did he go into the house? i would have shot him too. did he walk up to the house? get the facts straight, but the bottom line is that for centuries people, certainly white people, many white people have been afraid of black people and violence against black people. because of that fear has gone unpunished. and so i think that this is an instance where, certainly at first, it looked as though that might be happening again because they released this this man after only a couple of hours, but now they've done the extra the extra investigation and they've brought charges here. and so i think. that was really one of the biggest concerns. that's why we saw so much protest over the weekend, said this i think you raise an interesting point, though, when you start talking about why they did not include the hate crime,

right, so if it's a lower standing felony, that's one thing. but that also becomes the thing that throws this on the news, right like this becomes the thing that becomes a polarizing issue when you do this, and the sad irony of it is it seems very apparent from what we can see that the fact that the dude was black and knocked on the door and then got shot. i don't remember the last time i turned on the news and our lead story white kids shot because he knocked on the door. i haven't seen that one right? but you can't i can understand in this county that i think is 87% white. you avoid the hate crime part unless you absolutely have to, because that's when we started getting into this basically the who's the real racist discussion right? which gets completely away from the fact that separate for race or anything else. you shot somebody for knocking on your door and i think that they're going to have to play this delicately to make sure that that part stays front and center even though we can. apparently no, the other part really matters and that's the one that gets people charged up. it could also be the one that leads to an acquittal. remember hate crimes? i mean the reason we had this legislation at the federal and state levels beyond and how people think about these conceptually. it's for that very notion because they're trying to avoid the fact if you have

committed murder, there are certain you know, obviously consequences and sentences. they're supposed to accompany those things and people get attracted and say, well, why is this different than that? why is it not a regular sort of murder, etcetera. but the reason we have hate crime legislation is because we want to add an additional deterrent that people do not believe that they have carte blanche to act on the basis of skin color, national origin, sexual orientation, religion or anything that's perceived as such because we're talking about crime in a hate crime context, especially it is all the more scary because it could target anyone at any given time because of their perception of who you might be. this is a really, really important conversation and thought provoking too, and i think this is a reminder of the work that still needs to be done in this country. thank you all so much. athena jones. we appreciate your reporting. everyone else stick with us now to akron, ohio, where a grand jury has decided not to indict the eight officers involved in last year's shooting death of a 25 year old black man . it all started after jalen walker was being pulled over for having a broken license plate. let's take a look back at some

of the body cam footage and we must warn you here it is very disturbing. according to authorities, walker drove away from officers and fired a gunshot from his vehicle during the car chase and ignored commands to stop and show his hands during a foot chase and made a motion interpreted as quote threatening a gun was found in his vehicle. after the shooting. a grand jury has now determined the officer's actions

were justified much more now with cnn's miguel marquez in downtown akron, ohio, miguel. hey there, pamela. look, this is a main street. this is hot south high street in downtown akron. this is the justice center here that we're all of the courts are the road here is blocked off the city really bracing? not really sure what to expect. there have been some protests throughout the city. a few people down here so far, but not very much. want to show you sort of the barricades around the entire justice center as well down here. they police did make one arrest earlier in the evening. all of this over this this case that the attorney general himself called a horrible tragedy. but that's not what those nine jurors on the grand jury were deciding. it was three men, six women. two of the jurors were black. they need seven votes from those jurors to charge the officers in this instance and they did not get charges on any of them. ah! what

has made this such a sensitive case here is the race and the age of mr walker. but also the fact that he was shot 46 times during the shooting, dozens and dozens of shots were fired. some of them did not hit him, but he was hit 46 times he was cuffed after he was shot, which his lawyer said just added to the to the frustration in the misery. the family now of mr walker says that they still want justice for their son. they intend to file a civil lawsuit this summer. schools here in akron are closed tomorrow in the city. is bracing to see whatever comes pamela. alright miguel marquez. thank you very much for that up next new twist tonight in the biggest defamation and media case in recent history on the eve of the trial is fox news, making a last ditch effort to settle? that's a big question. tonight we're going to be speaking live at the former fox news contributor who recently left the network about his experience. stay with us. we'll be right back. chasing

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voting software illegally rigged the 2020 election against donald trump. up. fox denies any wrongdoing. well tonight a unique perspective on this trial . noel athe is joining us now he is the executive director of georgetown university's institute of politics and public service, and until recently a former fox news contributor who was with the network at the time when all of this was going on so most thank you for your time here tonight and really, really interested in hearing your perspective on this because you used to be a paid fox news contributor. as a democrat, you were offered a chance to renew your contract at the end of 2022 . you decided to walk away? why did you want to leave? yeah well, thanks for having me. um i joined fox as a democrat. right after i left my job as communications director at the d. n. c i did it because at the time we weren't engaging much democrats weren't engaging much

with fox news, and i thought you know i can go on and tell people what a democrat is. or i could let tucker carlson and sean hannity keep telling them what a democrat is. i trusted my perspective a little bit more. my first night was the 2016 presidential election, and for the next six years, i would go on several times a week just to provide a democratic perspective . my last contract was renewed right before the 2020 election. and then we know what happened in the days and weeks following , uh, when i was doing 4 to 5 appearances a week. they kept putting me on with election deniers. they kept putting me on with people who were spreading these baseless conspiracies, and i eventually told them i'm not going to do hits with those people anymore. suddenly my hits started decreasing. they just stopped booking me. they kept me on, but they just stopped booking me there appeared to be less and less opportunity for me to go out there and push back on these claims. and you think that

that is because you were coming on and say, no, the election wasn't stolen that you were pushing back against the election deniers. what did you make of that? look i cannot say to the motive why they were pushed. why they were why they stopped booking me as frequently as they had at one point. but i'll say this. there's 11 anecdote of when i went on against someone that was spreading baseless conspiracy theories about the election in the immediate aftermath devolved into a shouting match, which i didn't like. but she kept pushing these arguments. within weeks. i was being booked less, and she got a host share host chair on the network. so i know is that i was on regularly and then after the 2020 election and specifically after january, 6th i went from 4 to 5 appearances a week to one appearance, maybe every 4 to 6 weeks. so that's a

really interesting and telling anecdote that you share. um was your sense that these election deniers they were being they were given more of a platform. and were you wondering at the time? why why is the network? why does the network keep giving a platform to these election deniers? did it make you kind of question? what was going on there? yeah look as a democrat. fox has always been challenging , but i didn't go onto fox because of any love for the company. i went onto fox because i thought there were a lot of viewers that needed to hear a different perspective. and as long as i was able to do it, and i will say this, and i will say this without any hesitation. they always treated me. well they never told me what shows i had to do or not do. i could choose which shows i did. they never encouraged me to say anything or not say anything. but at a certain point, they just stopped giving me the platform to say anything while

they were continuing to not just give a platform to the conspiracy theorists, but in many cases, elevating them to greater prominence, putting them in host in host positions, giving them greater airtime, whereas those of us who are on the other side um sar, our airtime shrink. so it's interesting because you also say that fox never told you to come on and say anything. they never gave you a script. right of what to say. you just didn't have the platform to say anything, but i'm wondering. it's been so illuminating. seeing some of the communications come from this lawsuit of fox anchors and their exchanges over text and email about, you know, um, the election not being stolen and dominion and donald trump. and then to see what they would say on air and i'm wondering if you were privy to any conversations like that of any of the on air talent, or fox executives kind of indicating that they knew that the election was in fact not stolen, and yet there was a different story on air. yeah i

don't want to overstate my importance. right? i was. i was just a contributor on the network like the lowest rung of the ladder, so i wasn't privy to a lot of those communications. but um, i do know that myself and some of the others that were on the left would kind of talk and raise our glass whenever we'd see you know, and toast whenever we'd see someone leaving the network, either leaving it in protest or being pushed out because they wouldn't tell the company line. they wouldn't adhere to this stuff while again we were seeing the deniers and those who are willing to give the conspiracy theories room to breathe at the very least, um we saw them continue to elevate get elevated in their positioning. um so you know, we saw i saw what we all saw, but i can't speak to any of those specific, um, communications. i appreciate your modesty about where you are on the totem pole. i do want to ask you, though, because it is

what it is what it is exactly, but the bottom line is you were a paid fox news contributor. you know the fox audience by now, do you think these revelations changed their view? of the network, assuming there even know what's going on here. yeah i don't know. i'm not sure how much fox viewers are hearing about all of this right now, um , and it's been well documented that they're just not getting a lot of air time to this story. i'll say this in the years leading up to the 2020 election. i could name dozens of instances where i would be at an airport or at an amusement park with my kids and someone would come up to me and be like, hey, you're that democrat from fox, right? i don't agree with you, but i like hearing what you have to say. in the post 2020 election world that became through further and further in between. instead, i was getting a lot more trolling

on twitter, saying, i don't know why fox even pays you. you should go to one of the other networks where you belong, and that tracks with what the lawsuit seems to be indicating about fox, reacting to the ratings hit that they were taking worried about bleed to places like newsmax. um so again . i can't say that my, uh fewer appearances had anything to do with all of this. all i can say is that as i would see facing a more hostile audience, i was getting booked less, and they were making some very clear editorial decisions really interesting to hear your experience at fox as we await this trial, mo. thank you so much. always been sued for alleged intimidation by the d. a prosecuting donald trump, but that is not stopping jim jordans , the gop chair of the house judiciary committee, from taking his fight to alvin brags doorstep that escalating feud when we return the district

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ohio congressman mike turner. good to have you back, sir? so, congressman, what is your understanding of the so called police outpost? what were they doing? yeah i think this is just going to be the start of what we're going to find in this. china is an authoritarian regime, expanding their footprint into the united states as part of their surveillance society of their of their own citizens and certainly penetrating in the united states . it's great that we're beginning to take actions against this, and certainly not one of our questions is going to be as a committee. why did this take so long for us to find this? and what were they doing here? and also how do we prevent this in the future right? because according to what doj says this started in 2022. these alleged spies were using zoom with a zoom employee to disrupt dissident conversations. this is appears to be an escalation by china, and it comes on the heels of a tense few months after a chinese bible in was shot down. what do you think is going on here? i mean, you said earlier that china's expanding its

footprint with surveillance. do you see this as more aggression toward the u. s from china? absolutely they're seeing threats from united states and, of course from the just the movement of democracy there an authoritarian regime. it's wide there, of course gravitating towards russia and that they're challenging us. and as you just said, they're challenging us on our streets are challenging us in the skies and, you know, we need to bring a stop to it. this is a start, but clearly they have expanded their surveillance society that they've already implemented their own country into others, even now penetrating in the united states. should there be retaliation by the biden administration and congress? well certainly i think what we need to do here is to scrub this and all the other activities that we're seeing. we can learn as much about what they're doing to be able to stop it in the future. and then certainly this needs to be dealt with with china itself. we can't have the chinese government believing that can be in our skies and on our streets and at the same time

have our government do nothing, so we'll certainly be pushing the intelligence community and with you know our law enforcement? and this administration as to how are they gonna be answering this to stop china in the future? china's president has also calling for an increase in combat training, signaling it is one step closer to invading taiwan, do you as the head of the house intelligence committee ? see it as inevitable at this point that that invasion will happen? well, i do believe that we should take our adversaries at their word, and he has made very open statements that he is willing to use force. to take taiwan and the democracy that is there. we certainly see now what they're doing. even in the united states, they have no boundaries, so the fact that he is calling his nation towards certainly should be a concern to everyone. but do you think it's inevitable that it will happen? i think that we do have still an ability to win deterrence to let china understand the costs associated with invading taiwan

, and i think certainly our western allies need to be doing more, uh, to join with us in making that message clear. it's not inevitable, but i think it certainly is clearly their stated goal. we've been talking a lot about china as well with this dodgy leak investigation. some in your party have praised this leaker for exposing us secrets. what is your response to them? it's completely irresponsible that this the individual that leaked d o d secrets that, of course, put, you know actual lives at risk is no hero and at the same time what? what we see here in in in not understanding that that lives are at risk. you also have this this sense that there is a political agenda here. that really is not at all established by any of the facts. the other thing. it's important here is we do not have any boots on the ground and ukraine except the routine ones that are at our embassy for security. there is there is no presence. us military presence in ukraine. alright republican chairman of

the house intelligence committee mark turner. thank you so much for your time. some of the chairman's colleagues in the house today, bringing a hearing on crime to the big apple where we are right now, the intent was to show the manhattan d a is ignoring crime in the city while focusing on prosecuting donald trump. in this country. justice is supposed to be blind, regardless of race, religion or creed. however, here in manhattan the scales of justice are weighed down by politics. the facts are that violent crime in manhattan in new york city, it's high but far below record levels and brag right now is in the middle of a legal fight with the house judiciary chairman jim jordans who wants him to testify to his committee, and that has sparked accusations of playing politics. the real purpose in coming to new york city. is to harass, intimidate and threaten manhattan district attorney alvin brad. the purpose of this

hearing is to cover up for what they know to be an inappropriate investigation. laura coates, alyssa farah griffin and bomani jones back with us now to talk about this, laura coates actually spoke with jim jordan this morning on your show. tell us about that. what did he say? i did speak to this morning on sirius. xm and i questioned that very notion about the idea of why manhattan. why now? why at this time, and there was a more than a coincidence people were obviously viewing, given that it's alvin bragg and given what you mentioned the idea of crime and other places, including in his home state, listen to what he had to say, and explaining why he felt this was appropriate. there seems to be a particular focus on alvin bragg because of the indictment of trump. is that what you take issue with? and why are you involved in that particular space? well, we take issue with all of it. of course, we take issue with the idea that he is federal funds to indict a former president for no crime, and then when we want to talk to someone who doesn't even work in his

office hasn't worked there for a year. he takes his support. of course, we take issue with that. in a way that was very much a tell in some respects, right? the idea of why he was maybe focusing on this and again when it comes to the idea of subpoenas, of course, remember jim jordans obviously was not one to comply with the congressional subpoena. in the past. i talked about that very point as to why this might be different, and he said, well, look, i wasn't saying i wasn't going to come before we're going to have a conversation and talk about it. and then they went right to the subpoena. which of course, is what alvin bragg team is talking about, as well. let's have this conversation. so you look at this, not in a vacuum. it's impossible to look in a vacuum that this is the area he's going to right now. just a few weeks after there was an indictment of somebody, he is obviously very close to donald trump. it just feels like theater. i worked for jim jordan advised him years ago and i would advise him right now. crime is a real issue, and it's actually very strong issue for the gop to take on if you're talking about trying to solve it nationwide in ohio congressman is going to manhattan to talk about crime. he's just running interference for the former president. it's abundantly clear when i worked for him. he prided

himself in being a fiscal hawk. so what does it cost to stand up a field hearing in new york city when you should be doing your job on capitol hill? it's political theater. it's again. it's about protecting who they think is going to be the presidential nominee protecting the nominee, but using just an old playbook. crime for the right has never been about crime , right. like tough on crime, the people who really want to be tough on crime, and they've done plenty of studies on this is strongly correlated to an opposition of the expansion of civil rights. so whenever somebody comes and says they had this fascination with crime, crime is a really broad term that involves a lot of white college stuff that nobody's ever talking about when they're saying it's time to get tough on crime. donald trump did that's exactly what the thing is. and so the idea that you're putting forth is that no, you're ignoring the real crime. not they're not ignoring the real crime in new york. like if you hear especially relative to other places where you see crime rates being higher, especially those with his rhetoric actually works right where people hear this and it goes. so the decision to come here and do this is so transparently not just about protecting trump, but it's also using a very clear set

of coding that works just about every time people keep on falling forward, no matter how many times people say something about it, you know, the irony is that there will be people from jim jordans district in ohio, who come to new york this week. coming to manhattan. go take in a show. enjoy central park in the springtime. and won't see any of the horror show and their neighbors who may watch fox news won't come to new york for that very reason, right? i think it feeds into the lead story. this atmosphere fear of fear of suspicion of the other of dividing the country into shirts and skins and then using the systems within the rules in order, just just, you know, go for takedowns. um it's the price we pay. you know, i think when a when a kid knocks the country uh what is your sense? speak to my own family. you know what i mean? i'm from i grew up all over the country. i was sort of a gypsy kid. my mom was an evangelical. so i lived in the bible belt, but from wisconsin and i remember going back to milwaukee to do a special after the 2016 election, and i grew up

on the north side of milwaukee and my uncles in and you know what thomas said. no, don't go in there after dark. i wasn't knocked on my old door. the woman was lovely. it was. people were fantastic. my uncle in the country wouldn't know that he's not driving the milwaukee to hang out with these people and those people in milwaukee art hanging out with them, so it takes courage to cross these barriers with the barriers just seem to be becoming bigger and more weaponized. you know, it's just it's really sad. you're absolutely right. and we should note for our audience. we did ask him jordan to come on this show. apparently he wanted to talk to laura coates. they didn't want to come on this show. we asked them. blame them. radio isn't insane, just saying to put makeup on the radio mascara good sign the planet sales pitch down, all right, why don't we go back and listen to that interview? and stick around because everyone will be back at the end of the show. and tonight we're hearing for the first time from the billionaire mega donor at the center of the controversy involving supreme court justice clarence thomas. what harlan crow says about their friendship

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ariana vogue this after a propublica investigation into the judge's ties to crow, the deal involved three georgia properties, including the current home of thomas is 94 year old mother, and tonight we're hearing from crow himself in a brand new interview, joining us now the journalist who conduct did that. interview dallas morning news business columnist cheryl hall. hi, cheryl. thanks for coming on so you've been at the dallas morning news for 51 years. you've known harlan crow for decades. tell us about this interview because he's typically media shy. tell us about why he wanted to speak with you. not sure that he wanted to speak to me at first. in fact, i reached out to him thinking i was probably the one journalists that who could get him to talk, and it was crickets for a while . and finally he said that, um he might do it and i tried to explain to him why he should do it. and so that's how it came

about. um he is extremely reticent, and, uh, uncomfortable with being in the limelight. mhm you talk about that in your article, and by the way, kudos to you for being a good journalist being persistent. you got the interview, and there was a particularly revealing moment . cheryl when you ask crow if he would be friends with clarence thomas if he was not a supreme court justice, and he said, it's an interesting good question. i don't know how to answer that. maybe not. maybe. yes, i don't know. did that answer surprise you and i'm just curious if you could give us some more color. what was his body language like when he was answering this? he was extremely pensive. i mean, he actually thought it was a good question, i think and didn't it wasn't one of those questions that you and he answered, you know, with a snap. ah! answer he gave it some thought. and but i think he

truly doesn't know how he would answer that. the fact is that powerful people enjoy being around powerful people. yeah that's that is a that is true. were there any moments in this interview that where he became emotional yes, it's actually at the very beginning. um, i went in, and i my first question to him is you know? why are you doing this interview with me? and he put his head. to his face and he looked down and he said, give me a moment and then he's he looked up and his eyes were kind of watery and he he's he, you know, proceeded to say why he was was doing this that he felt that he and um thomas had been unduly wronged by, um the media, and, uh but it was an

interesting moment. i he looked extremely tired. um. it's been a really rough week for him. yeah and we should note propublica. it's a nonpartisan, um, media independent media publication, so also not for profit as well. cheryl hall. thank you so much. really interesting to read your article. thanks for bringing us inside of it. that interview florida governor ron desantis escalating his fight with disney by threatening to build a state prison next to disney world that's up next. we're not gonna want to miss this discussion up next. lighting the way y for all suvs to fofollow. this is the fully electric highly advanced e s. u v. digital light led technology. brilliant. inside.

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maybe you need another state present. who knows? i mean, i just think that the possibilities are endless. the move would be in retaliation for the company resisting a state takeover of its special taxing district. governor desantis is also talking about other ways of fighting back, including raising taxes on disney's theme park empire and adding new state inspections. my panel is back with me now. wow. i mean, he seems to be a kind of having fun with coming up with ideas about how he's gonna park for kids you got there? yeah shaming for maximum security prison happened to it. yeah let's play this out. what's going to tank the businesses it the glimpse of barbed wire like from the top of the roller coaster, or is it the fear of a prison break and they're gonna hide out as goofy . like what? the logic of that it doesn't escapes me. but what's interesting is disney's first tweet after he did that. was the first ever disneyland

ng pride month this june. separately ticketed events celebrating lgbt q. i a plus community and allies will have themed entertainment disney characters, specialty menu items , and, actually, that's actually important context, because let's go back and remember why we're even at this place right? because disney objected to a bill from ron desantis that limited classroom instruction of sexual orientation and gender identity. so that's it started before that, with the vaccine mandate with the vaccine really set him off initially, as disney said employees must be vaccinated and he was gonna find disney and i think that's where it started. it started. but then when they when they oppose the bill, yeah, aw, it really ramped up here is governor desantis is playing smart primary politics. the base loves this or like he's taken. it awoke disney. it's terrible, actual politics. this is the second biggest employer in his state that he's taking on. also june is pride month. if you're going to take on every business that decides to celebrate the l g b t q. plus

community you're going to be taking on a lot of different will corporations. it worked when he was beating disney, but he got out maneuvered. and now it just seems like petty tip for tat, like, what is the endgame here in sight is also one report we have earlier today, right? there is at least one mega donor who is beginning to walk away a little bit, knowing that this is having an impact greater and greater areas here. remember go back to what disney did. that was really pretty impressive. you think about it when all this is coming and brewing about the reedy creek districts, they apparently got themselves grandfather in to be able to essentially overturn the appointment of this specialized panel that desantis actually wanted to happen. he's trying to challenge it in the idea of whether this new panel that doesn't have much power and has to actually go dizzy to clarify anything or approve anything, whether you can disrupt that, so they're trying to figure out ways to retaliate, knowing that there is this legal angle, they might not be able to actually undermined disney four. okay, full disclosure. i still cash checks from them. and i work for disney for the better part of

the last 20 years. right let me just go ahead and get this part out transparent, just like to make this reminder. they got no fly zones around this disney stuff. i simply say all that to say that this is a pretty well entrenched institution like this reminds me a lot of the idea that the base loves this. they love it, but they're still going to disney world, right? reminds me of chick fil a when some of their more right leaning politics really offended a lot of people who went right in there and got them chick fil a sandwiches. they were like, yeah, this is real bad. you're gonna stop going, huh? what what? what? what do you mean? you're not gonna win a fight? with american people against the wall disney company, particularly not as you say in a state where they employ everybody, like the whole idea of orlando as a city only exist because this place is there like this is how we get here so he could keep doing this. he can keep going about it. he might say some funny things. but when the rubber really meets the road like you said, you're gonna put a prison next to disney. we'll also magic kingdom is so i mean, first of all i have been i have little kids and i have had to don't know if you had a bite

that bill of what it cost to actually go to magic kingdom. i haven't yet. good luck, david. and that already you know they have they have, like healthy food there now. so whatever, but the part of it. if you were trying to build in new york, this is an expansive place to your bigger point as well. the idea of the next two is out of there, but also the idea of trying to create competition. a lot of this goes back to the employment context of it. tourism has still suffered since the pandemic. we all know this. the idea of trying to undermine remember when the cruise ships were almost unable to go and stop there and had to be diverted in different areas because the political counter is there was happening there. this has a tourism angle if you're a state governor, looking at the finances that might be the ultimate hook publicity for disney, by the way, all of them mean like, i know this man isn't being serious, right? so we have to, like, be careful and not taking this too seriously. what the hell theme park you're gonna put next to disney and feel like, yeah. come over compete like what you've got for space, man. what you got forever. god, they still showing that michael jackson movie. i ain't been there quite a long time like the whole idea like here's how we're

going to be disease. we're gonna put a roller coaster over there and everybody is going to come to our rollercoaster. because mickey mouse's to whoa, what was beaten mickey mouse and i want to set up a camera of the faces of the kids, realizing they're going to the other team, part mad, he would be if you showed up and you went into desantis land. told you that you were gonna go to orlando even as babies universal. maybe i'm not sure which literally hurting for black so hard, but marty, i will so grateful for you for making us laugh like that. what a way to end this show if you have money. nfl thank you and up next on cnn country. music star brad paisley joins alison to talk about his trip to ukraine, where he performed in kiev and met with president zelinsky back in a moment. mm hmm. hmm. hmm hmm.

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