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fighting for her life shot for confusing someone else's car for her own. we are following these major developing stories and many more all coming in right here to cnn news, central. right now, every senator in washington is about to get a sensitive briefing on the pentagon document leak earlier today. jack teixeira, the suspect charged with that security breach was in court briefly waiving his right to a preliminary hearing and the air force unit where the 21 year old air national guardsman was assigned, was stripped of its intelligence assignment today, defense secretary lloyd austin faced questions about why someone that young had access to such highly sensitive intel on so many high stakes conflicts and international alliances, and here's what he said. the vast majority of our military is
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young. and uh and so it's a it's not exceptional that that young people are doing important things in our military. that's that's really not the issue. the issue is and by the way he had a top secret clearance. the issue is, uh, you know how, uh, you responsibly execute, carry out your duties and how you protect the information. as the pentagon tries to contain this, a secret document not previously reported on shows the chinese military is preparing a supersonic spy drone unit. we have cnn's alex marquardt here with us on on this story. what do we learning about this drone? it's pretty incredible. it is pretty remarkable. it does show significant advancement in china's drone capabilities. and as you noted, this is an assessment that comes from the national geospatial intelligence agency. it was a document was obtained by the washington post,
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which we ourselves have not seen. verified but what it does indicate is that they have made significant leaps to this drone , which is called the w z eight it was seen in a chinese parade a couple of years ago, but intelligence officials did not believe at the time. that it was operational it this is a rocket propelled supersonic drones rocket propelled, indicating that it uses rocket fuel to fly . look at this. look how fast this is three times the speed of sound. it can fly at mach three and not just fast, but it can fly extremely high 100,000 ft. brianna that is significantly higher than commercial airplane traffic. that is much higher than the chinese spy balloon, which was around 65,000 ft. this is 100,000 ft so together that makes this drone extremely difficult to detect and to intercept. now it is believed that this drone base is in an area of china called gluon. and from there, this drone could fly
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out once it's deployed and collect mapping data in real time it could target american ships and bases in the region. of course, we have lots of military assets in japan, significant targets for the chinese could be tough. i won, of course, the drone could fly over taiwan and south korea. so this is a remarkable advance in this drone that we are really only learning about. because of this massive leak of class classified documents. how does this compare to us military spy drone capabilities? excellent questions. so this is the mq nine reaper. this is the main offensive armed drone that is used by the us air force. so if we put them side by side you have the u. s drone, which flies at about 300 mph. that is less than half the speed of sound while you have the wc eight. the flies at three times the speed of sound. this is an armed drone , while for now it is believed
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that the wc eight is mainly gonna be used for reconnaissance purposes, but experts believe that eventually could be armed. the q nine, uh has laser guided missiles. it has hellfire missiles. so these are the main differences. it's kind of apples and oranges for right now, but the big thing that really sticks out is the speed. at which the wc eight flies our viewers. brianna might remember this incident when a u. s drone the mq nine. i was attacked by this russian jet over the black sea just last month, dumping this fuel and damaging the u. s drone . um, and eventually the drone went down into the black sea. these jets were flying over international waters. so this this is something obviously that has been known to the u. s intelligence community for quite some time. this assessment was from last year, but this is giving us the general public a much deeper insight into what china is working on what they need. soon we may be capable of
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alex. thank you for taking us through that. so many questions remaining about these revelations, jim. all right, so let's go to the hill. the full house will get briefed on this leak after the senate speak to someone who will be in the room. democratic congressman jason co. crow of colorado serves on the intelligence committee, also a veteran of the u. s wars in iraq and afghanistan. thanks so much for taking the time today. it's good to be with you. first i want to speak about the scope and the damage of this leak is the last 24 hours. i heard two quite different assessments of that spoke to the uk defense secretary ben wallace, who said his heart hasn't skipped a beat following this, downplay the severity, said a lot of the documents are fake spoke to john kirby and he said, listen, we don't know the full scope and he said, make no bones about it. this is this is serious. based on what you know what is the damage from this leak? yeah i think perspective is really important here. is this a major problem? yes is there information that shouldn't have been made public? absolutely and we're mitigating that, but i think it's really important.
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understand a couple of things number one. a lot of this information was just a snapshot in time. the changes in battlefield, the changes and evolution of that information have been significant in that time is my understanding number two. a lot of this information was doctored was changed. so there's a lot of misinformation. there's a lot of disinformation here as well. so you have to take some of it with a grain of salt. number three. this is not endemic and this is this is not undermine the integrity of our intelligence services writ large. we still have the most sophisticated the most professional, the envy of the world with intelligence services . this does not happen very often. period we actually helped intelligence services around the world clean up their own services, conduct counterintelligence operations, and like so we're still the interview of the world will fix this. we'll figure out what happened and we'll move forward. okay maybe doesn't happen often , but it certainly has happened. afford to happen before the great effect. do you think of chelsea manning? you think of edward snowden in the wake of
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chelsea manning? they try to plug a hole restrictions on thumb drives, which is how that service member got this stuff out. but senator mark warner asked a smart question today, he said. why wasn't there tracking of printing out classified documents as appears to have happened in this case? that strikes me as a fairly basic oversight issues here. do you think there was poor oversight of this unit and the service member? what i think is there are structural changes that have to be made to how we handle classified information. there's kind of three ways of looking at this number one. what is the level of somebody's clearance or whether they have a secret where they have a top secret? whether they have a special compartmented clearance number two is the need to know. just because you have a top secret clearance doesn't mean you should have access to all of the top secret information has to be further compartmented. based on need to know number three is what types of electronic or automated checks we have to put in place that will check printing of information viewing of information and bring any red
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flags to our internal security. uh our internal security personnels ability to research that so it's really the latter categories. the need to know. and automating some red flags and preventing printing and other basic things that we really have to dig into, and we're going to make some investments, frankly of money and time to fix it. as i noted, leading in your veteran 82nd, airborne, iraq and afghanistan, we learned today that the watchdog overseeing afghan aid usa to afghanistan called congress he cannot guarantee the usa does not being funneled to the taliban i. he also says he's gotten an unprecedented president and lack of cooperation from the state department on the investigation . what's your reaction? to that, as someone who served there to know that this aid could be going to the taliban leadership. well i disagree with some of the findings actually of our special inspector general for afghanistan reconstruction. we
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certainly have to conduct oversight. we have to make sure that our sanctions programs are working effectively. but listen , the afghan people are largely that people who are suffering here. i've been supportive of aid programs have been supportive of some of our efforts to unfreeze funds to funnel those two humanitarian organizations to ngos and the like to make sure that we're preventing famine because ultimately if we want to keep the taliban at check, and if we want to fight against extremism , we're going to do that by supporting people in those regions by supporting human rights and supporting the dissidents and opposition folks who are still in afghanistan, not by closing them off and shutting them off. so yeah, we have to conduct oversight. we have to make sure it doesn't make it into the hands of extremists with the taliban. and there's a way of doing that. we actually do that with north korea. we do that with venezuela. we have a long history of being able to do that. did us fail its afghan allies by leaving so many thousands, in fact, who served bravely alongside us for service members like yourself by leaving them behind to great danger from the taliban today. yeah there's
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no doubt in my mind that we left some of our partners behind. that's why i formed the honoring our promises working group, which is a bipartisan working group in congress. we have to stick with our word. there's still tens of thousands of my friends of our afghan partners in afghanistan that we have a moral responsibility to and we have to pass legislation like the allies act like the s i v expansion programs are looking at passing and introducing here shortly. we have to get that done because we have the moral obligation to do so. and the red tape is just incredible. i've been working with the family for two years. it's hard, representative jason jason crow. thanks so much for joining us today. thank you. boris or isaf are on the supreme court right now, where the justices are expected to rule on a blockbuster medical abortion case. any moment the court could rule whether to let a lower court's ruling go into effect that would restrict full access to mifepristone, the most commonly used abortion drug hold
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on that ruling is set to expire at 11 59 pm tonight. cnn's jessica schneider joins us now live, jessica, what more are you learning about the supreme court's moves here? boris. all eyes are on the supreme court. as we tick down toward midnight , the supreme court could rule at any point here, and there's a number of ways that they can roll. but there are really two ways that are most likely here. first they could extend the hold on this lower court ruling, which is something that the justice department the fda is pushing for, because if they did , that it would keep the status quo when it comes to the abortion pill. it would be completely available as it is now. the second option is they really could allow the restrictions to take effect by not extending that stay. and what does that mean? if restrictions took effect, it would mean a number of different things in the way that kristen is administered. first of all, it would only be allowed for women up to seven weeks. pregnant. currently, women up to 10 weeks pregnant. are allowed to get this pill. secondly women
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would have to go in person multiple times to their doctor. they also have to get this abortion pill in person, as opposed to via the mail. so there's a lot that could change actually. and we're just getting right now we're getting word that the supreme court did just make another decision here. they have extended the stay here, boris. so this is saying that there putting for a while here. i'm not sure exactly how long it could be days or weeks. they are extending the stay, so they are putting those all of those restrictions that could have possibly taken effect. they're putting all of those on hold. so once again, the fda and the justice department have have one here, though, incrementally at this point, because this case is still playing out at the lower courts. but for now, boris it does remain status quo for the abortion pill. nothing will change. it will remain available as it did in the previous weeks and months. and i'm waiting to see right now, if the supreme court is going to take this case up, because remember the lower
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court here, the fifth circuit there's still really dealing with the merits of this case they've set up a really fast tracked briefing schedule on this, and they're scheduled to hear arguments in this case in just about one month. so the takeaway that i'm just getting now via paper that i've just been handed is that the supreme court has in fact, extended this stay, meaning they are extending, putting the lower court ruling on hold, meaning everything remains status quo. there will be no changes to the way that the abortion pill is administered. good news for a lot of doctors and patients who are bracing for any change is good news for the fda and the justice department for us so i can come back with you as i know a little bit more detail. but that's the big takeaway here is that the supreme court is really keeping things as they are. while all of these legal wranglings play out below forest and just to just to clarify, have we gotten word on exactly how long this stay is going to last? if you give me one moment here, i can actually pull this up. yes it is happening. live so
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i just i just pulled up the order here. interestingly this order was signed by justice samuel alito. he's the same justice who put out the initial order at the end of last week. now he's the justice who oversees the fifth circuit. so he's putting this new ruling out , saying that the state that was issued on friday is hereby extended until 11 59 pm next sorry this friday. april 21st so wow. so once again, the supreme court is really just kicking the can down the road at this point now, just two days, 2.5 days. yeah so this this state will be into effect until almost midnight friday into saturday. so we're really going to go through this whole thing yet again for the third time come friday, and we're gonna be seeing what the supreme court does. it's unclear why they're only issuing it for this short amount of time. it's possible. that the justices are still wrangling behind the scenes is exactly what to do here, and that's why we're getting these incremental holds on this lower
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court ruling. jessica, we're going to give you a minute to read all the details, so please stand by. we want to bring in jennifer rogers to have a conversation with her. she is a legal expert that has been following all of this very closely for us, jennifer initially right off the bat. what is your reaction to this day? it seems like only a few days extension here. yeah i really think that this means that they are grappling with what they want to do here. i mean, the chaos that will ensue if they let any part of the lower court's order. take effect is going to be incredible. so the fact that they don't have enough votes to extend it for a more lengthy period of time or even permanently, while the lower court litigation takes effect takes you know what happens means to me that that many of the justices or thinking about affirming some parts of the lower court order from texas, which is really troubling . so you know, had it been a permanent stay, i would have felt pretty good about it. unfortunately with the two day
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stay, i think we may see a mixed bag coming from the court on friday, meaning that they will let some parts of the fifth circuit order take effect, which will be problematic for women and doctors all over the country. and jennifer. let's talk in practical terms about what this extension of the state means. it essentially means that right now, the decision of the lower court is held off is that correct? means everything is on hold. it's as if none of this litigation has happened. so judge kaczmarek in texas issued a ruling that would have vastly changed what happens with mifepristone. the fifth circuit stayed some of that change some of that, but left a lot of restrictions in place. but all of that is on hold until now, friday night, but again, the fact that they didn't give it a lengthier stay or say that until the litigation goes through its pieces in the fifth circuit on the merits. uh that means that they are, i think are seriously
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thinking about affirming some parts of what the fifth circuit said, which has jessica outlined a few minutes ago if they agreed with the fifth circuit as to which parts of judge cosmetics order could could survive in which parts would be rejected. it would mean that women would have to go in person multiple times to their doctor and could only get method per stone. up to seven weeks, so it would mean a big difference and not through the mail. so i mean a big difference in the way the patients are obtaining this drug problems with the fda and a conflict with the order out of washington by judge rice, which orders the fda to do what it needs to do to make medford kristen still available as it's been available in the 17 states and the district of columbia. the jurisdictions that brought that lawsuit. so there's a lot of uncertainty. still i guess we'll know more on friday, but i am concerned that they will not be staying the entire thing, which is a huge problem. well jennifer, you mentioned a conflict. i want to step back
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because this is the same supreme court that overturned roe versus wade a year ago, saying that that decision did not change abortion law across all 50 states that it essentially gave the decision over to the states , but a potential decision here could essentially contradict what the justices said about a year ago. no. yeah that's that's the irony here. i mean, they overruled based on what they now say the constitution says about a woman's right to her reproductive privacy not based on whether the state's rights should necessarily control so they would say there's not literally illegal conflict here . but effectively. what's happening is you have a situation in which 17 states and the district of columbia have been ordered to keep my fit kristen access as it is, and a judge. just who purported to issue a nationwide injunction telling the fda to change the way that mifid press down is being administered. and so you
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do have a conflict, which is why the supreme court definitely needs to do something about it. but what we may be seeing because we only have this two day delay is that they're preparing to resolve that conflict, but they may be preparing to resolve it by saying that they're ruling that what the fifth ticket fifth circuit has said will control which then will overrule judge rice's ruling about what the 17 states and the district of columbia can expect. jennifer please stand by because we're expanding this conversation to include more of my colleagues now, obviously major news just in to cnn, the supreme court extending by two days, this stay of a lower court that draws into question the future of this very widely used abortion drug supreme court correspondent john biscoe because with us now why would samuel alito do this at this point buying this time? until friday? they weren't ready . you know the solicitor general elizabeth pre lager. submitted a
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very compelling. filing last night. at the very end, she said , if you are not ready to resolve this extend this administrative stay until you can decide it in a bigger way. what they've done is just by themselves 48 hours, which they apparently needed and needed bad. samuel alito had put in the first temporary hold last friday late in the day. essentially they had three working days in which they were doing many other things, arguably, they should have anticipated that they were going right up against the gun and this thing, but they obviously need more time probably divided on what to do if they had decided that they wanted to definitely stay the lower court orders permanently, they probably would have done that. so that says that they didn't have a ready majority to do that, but they also didn't have a ready majority to deny. okay? the biden administration
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and the drug manufacturer. if this had been clear cut, we would have gotten an order today , but clearly they have to resolve it more to even get through this preliminary. stage of the litigation. does this decision give you any indication as to whether they may just take up the entire case? no i'll tell you, i'll tell you why. i actually think when i thought about how crunched they were with time and i had been up at the court every day this week. seen them doing other business thinking, how are they going to address this? if they are not if they don't have a majority to act in a clear cut way, and they obviously didn't because frankly, i think the easy thing to do would have been just too further further stay all of the litigation for a longer period. just because this has come upon the nation so quickly just put those lower court orders on hold , but obviously they're not convinced that that's the best route as immediately they might and friday, then give us an order that says yes, the lower court orders are unhealed. the
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fda authorization stands there are no more there. you know the restrictions and regulations of the pill stand for now, and we'll let the merits of the controversy play out. but clearly they weren't ready to say that today just as much as they weren't ready to say we're denying the administrator asians request joan. how does their decision on roe and the reaction that came after it? play in, perhaps to their thinking on this well. i mean, if they were at this table with us joining us, they would say it's not playing in at all, because they say this is a completely different dispute, but they must be aware of what's happened since june, there have been serious legal and political ramifications from that. and one of the key. uh legal ramifications is that a district court judge in texas has tried to just end access to the main way that women you know, have abortions these days, even in
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the states that allow it to be legal and is, boris said earlier when he was talking to jennifer the supreme court when it ruled in the dabs, case said we are getting rid of the constitutional right to abortion, but we are not tampering with what happens in the states. states can can still make it legal. brett kavanaugh, who concurred in that said specifically, we are not outlawing abortion if they make this pill in a, uh changed its accessibility as it is now they are, they will be making much harder to access abortion rights and undercutting what they said in the dabs opinion. the main type of the main form of abortion, right. so i guess, you know, just stepping back. and what did they tell us today? they told us they're not ready. it's like anything else. you know, you have to postpone. you have to postpone the decision because you're not ready to side so there, you know as human as the next set of people, but it also says that they do not have a majority. they need five votes to act either to accept the
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biden administration's request and the drug manufacturer to again pause for a longer period . not just 48 more hours, but they also don't have a majority to outright. deny it at this point, jennifer, i want to go back to you because critics are charging that this ruling essentially allows a lower court or lower district court judge to opine on science and to overrule jurisdiction that belongs to the food and drug administration. i'm wondering how that argument might unfold at the supreme court if it gets there. well i'm sure journal have thoughts about this too. i mean, now you're really talking about administrative law and administrative law and the ability of the executive branch agencies to make decisions on issues in which they are. the experts took a big hit last term in the e p, a case so everyone's wondering the same thing if this gets up to the supreme court on the issue of whether the fda ought to be the body to decide
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what happens with medications in this country. this court has expressed some hostility to the notion. and that they should not be able to be overruled by congress or that they should be the ones to make those experts decision. so that's a whole nother. legal issue that is at play here, and that will be a subject of the supreme court's handling of this whenever it makes its way up there on the merits. alright. jennifer and joan, stay standby for us if you will huge news here as we learned that the supreme court is going to stay until friday what they're going to do on this lower court ruling effectively buying themselves a couple more days to figure out what they're going to do. i want to send this over to jim. he has some more information. thanks so much. brianna of course, jessica schneider's been on the hill. it's a have the ruling here. it's one page. very simple. what more do we know about what happens between now and friday at 11 59 pm, which is the entire length of this extension of this
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day? well it's likely that the justices will either confirm or perhaps one or more of the justices is writing to further explain what they'll ultimately decide on this one thing that's really interesting about this is that this just further kicks the can down the road for the supreme court. we saw that initial ruling on friday then we were waiting with bated breath until today, and now we're once again going to be in the same position on friday. and i know that because a lot of the parties here the fda, the justice department, even the drug manufacturers have repeatedly told not only the supreme court but other courts gym just about how much chaos and confusion this is causing. and i'll note that the manufacturer of the generic version of this drug in bio pro actually just filed a lawsuit in the maryland federal court here and they were asking this court to really help them clarify exactly how they're supposed to proceed. asking the court to put in a court order against the
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fda. i mean, there's just a lot of, um chaos, confusion and unsettled view from doctors, patients. the drug manufacturers here so that uncertainty is not going away. they'll continue to be on edge until at least friday . let's be frank. it's not just chaos and confusion right? it's genuine concern because if the fifth circuit court of appeals ruling goes into effect, if those restrictions or some of those restrictions stand there, not insignificant. i mean, you mentioned the generic manufacturer this this would no longer be approved under this ruling, and that accounts for two thirds of the market right and i imagine there's a financial aspect of that because the generic versions are typically less expensive, perhaps much less expensive, but other things as well window to obtain cristo narrows to seven weeks from 10, the dosages would change. these are significant rules changes if this stands in some form or some of them stand right and one of the things too, that the fda told the supreme
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court is look, we can't just snap our fingers and institute these changes. this is a days, weeks or months long process, so the fda is expressing uncertainty has as to how they'll even proceed here. if the supreme court doesn't continue to put these restrictions on hold, so there's a lot in play here and again. we kind of thought that we'd get some sort of definitive decision on this today, and it's not the case we'll have to wait until friday expose those words you heard from um, from brett kavanaugh after dobbs right that that decision would not impact access. an abortion states or states that would continue allow abortion if this stands. that wouldn't stand will certainly stay on top of it. jessica schneider. thanks so much. we have our phil mattingly, whose on the hill right now because i'm sure phil that while you're at the white house apologies, i'm sure that the administration is watching this. they've been watching this case already with trepidation, and now they see this very short extension of the state. you have a reaction from the white house. yeah, there's no no reaction yet, jim. i think
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what's been interesting, though, is obviously this is a pause, and i think everyone was waiting with bated breath for some type of finality, or at least definitive answer about the path forward for things. one thing we do know is that there has been an extensive amount of preparation behind the scenes not expecting this necessarily. but in terms of whatever happens next. i think that's something officials have made very clear between the counsel's office, the justice department and the white house health team. the president's senior advisers all kind of working through all different possibilities here, very cognizant of the fact that they can't predict how this is all going to land. they've made very clear. they believe they're on the right side of this case. legally they believe the fda is authority is very clear in this case. and everything has been put into place up to this point doesn't have legal merit, but they are also cognizant of the fact that that doesn't mean it's necessarily going to go their way. and so there's been significant behind the scenes preparations for pretty much any outcome here. the president himself has been briefed repeatedly as well. advisors saying he was going to be
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briefed throughout the course of this day. we'll see what the response will be to this. it doesn't really change anything at the moment. i think one thing that it kind of underscores that the preparation for whatever the final response is going to be, is certainly going to continue to have to ask you. because as you know, there was criticism this administration for the perception that they weren't quite prepared for the dobbs decision in terms of how they were going to react. what the steps the responses were going to be. is there. is there a biden administration plan if mifepristone is significantly restricted in quote unquote, abortion states or states that continue to allow abortion? jim i'm not going to surprise you when i tell you that they're not detailing what might happen if they feel like they end up on the wrong side of this. they don't want to prejudge anything. they don't want to get ahead of anything, but it is very clear that they are working quite intensively on what would happen if the decision does not go their way and i think they've also made very clear that they will pursue any legal options they have. but i think on the policy side of things there are
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a lot of options that they're being considered as well. and now, obviously, as i'm sure you've experienced, they push back quite hard on the idea that they weren't prepared for roe versus wade. but when you talk to advocates and key allies of the white house, they felt like they were caught off guard. they felt like they didn't move quickly enough, and they still feel like policy wise. there are more options on the table that they have chosen not to take. i do get the sense in talking to officials that whether they agree or disagree with that assessment. it's mostly disagree. they are certainly intent on not allowing either the perception or the reality of something like that. to happen again. in this case, we're making very clear how important preparation here is. phil mattingly at the white house. goodness. potentially dramatic effects here. boris and brianna major major news as well on the political front, because as you remember when roe versus wade was overturned, president biden and democrats campaigned on this being a central issue going into the midterm election. let's get some reaction from lawmakers in congress. now cnn's manu roger has been tracking the latest from capitol hill. manu. how are
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republicans responding to this? well right now on this latest temporary ruling here, no official reaction yet we expect to hear more from members as we talked to them as a running in and out of votes and heading to briefings and the like. but in the run up to this supreme court move, we didn't hear much from a lot of congressional republicans , in fact, is very similar to the way they handled. the overturning of roe v. wade in the running and the run up to the dobbs decision. many republicans did not want anything to do with that decision. in fact, they were eager to while they supported the idea of overturning abortion rights, they do not want to embrace that, given the concerns about potential political backlash, you're seeing something similar here in this case as well. i've talked to a number of top republicans, none of them several of them say we're going to wait for the rulings to actually play out before we actually take a position on this issue. one of them, senator john cornyn is a member of the republican
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leadership. i asked him about this decision he supports striking down these fda rules. he would not go that far, even as we're seeing a completely different reactions from democrats who have tried to seize on this potential that this this medication will no longer be available to women nationwide. it's there have been a press conference after press conference rally after rally trying to do something that they did back in the last election cycle. to energize younger voters. women voters trying to bring them out here as we head into the next election cycle, recognizing full well that that helped them keep the senate majority help them limit their losses in house seats and believing again if this case does not go their way that could happen again. so you're seeing how this is a both parties are reacting to the prospects of this, but the immediate reaction right now quiet on capitol hill , as members are trying to process this in wait and see gays what their next steps will be. with the ultimate decision is from the supreme court. yeah and maybe we will see that as
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soon as friday, perhaps joan as they bought themselves a little bit of time. i guess i wonder. how are they going to spend that time? how what will the supreme court be doing in the next 48 hours? yeah well, they will be talking to each other if there is close to a majority to either , uh, accept the request of the biden administration to put all this litigation on hold and let the drug be available. why? while the controversy plays out? ah maybe some people are ready to write descents to that. or maybe there's four justices to go one way and they need the fifth. a lot of things can be going on. obviously they do not have enough votes locked in. and anybody who wants to protest those votes ready to go. it's like anything they bought time, but the clock now that they've bought these two days i cannot imagine that on friday. at this time, we're going to get a message saying can we just please get another little extension? no. there they will decide at this point, and i think i actually i was not
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surprised about this and tell you the truth part just because i was so aware of their time crunch and when i saw the solicitor general of the united states, like pitch that as a possibility, you know if you're not ready to decide, do not decide, especially if you're not ready to decide in our favor. just wait a little bit and maybe, you know things will shake out in a way. that will have a sensible resolution, at least for the near term. but just so our viewers know no matter what the supreme court does at this point on friday, it will not be fully resolving this case. it still has to be heard on the merits, likely first by the fifth circuit regional court to assess the ruling by judge matthew kiss merrick that throughout the fda approval, and then the justices themselves would actually have to have full briefing and hear oral arguments until they did anything. really consequential, although removing the drug or limiting access in and of itself is going to be consequent, consequential, huge step from the supreme court and
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until the supreme court issues another decision here. so what happens? we're basically in status quo mode, basically meaning that there are no changes to the way the abortion pill has been administered in previous months or even years. the fda and the doj had basically been pressing for at least this sort of remedy from the supreme court, you know, as jonas cubic, has been mentioning . the solicitor general here had said that the supreme in court as recently as yesterday. look, if you can't decide just yet. at least give us another administrative stay meaning at least give a few more days of the status quo here, so the supreme court presumably will be working behind the scenes here to finally decide by friday before midnight as to what exactly is definitely definitively going to happen here. we still don't have that answer, but at least for patients, doctors, drug manufacturers jim things will remain on hold will remain the same. the supreme court once again decides what to do as of probably ride a gym. that's
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right. as you know, a little more than 48 48 hours here. what are their options, then? the courts options at 11 59. pm eastern daylight. time has noted in the decision on friday. what are their options at that point? yeah there are a number of options here. i mean, one of them is that the parties have also asked them to take up this case for quick resolution on the merits before the end of this term. it's unclear if they'll do that. or just let this play out at the appeals court below, which itself has set up pretty fast paced schedule here, with oral arguments scheduled for less than a month, and may 17th the decision really for the supreme court come friday night. now is do we extend this day pending appeal? so do we put these restrictions on hold for a longer period of time? we weeks slash months until the case eventually is decided by the fifth circuit, and then it gets to the supreme court. you know what's interesting is next week marks the last week of arguments for the supreme court, so presumably if they put these restrictions on hold and say, let this continue playing out in the fifth circuit in the
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appellate in the appeals process , it's very conceivable that all of these restrictions could be on hold well into the fall until the supreme court is actually able to hear this case, so it's unclear here so they could put these restrictions on hold even more. or they could just let these restrictions go into effect, and that's what the fda and the doj is really concerned about here, saying this isn't going to be an easy flip the switch changes. they said that a lot has is to go into these restrictions that could potentially be mandated here, jim, the administration and a lot of women watching this broadcast right now, i'm sure concerned watching closely. jessica schneider, thanks so much and brianna to that point, the restrictions being discussed here they are not insignificant restrictions if they were to go into effect on how exactly this has ministered when by whom? for what period of time. this is a big decision here all across the country, right? we have cnn health reporter jacqueline howard here to help us understand some of this tell us about your reporting in the real world implications of this
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abortion pill battle that we're witnessing jacqueline. yeah, brianna, like jim said. this is significant and whatever happens , will have meaningful implications for the future of medicine. medical school students are watching this closely. medical school graduates are watching this closely. and we already are seen that the number of medical school grads who are applying for residency. the number of applicants is declining in states that currently ban abortion, which shows that medical school graduates who are applying for residency are having some concerns about what abortion restrictions could mean for the training they receive and the care that they give to their patients. when you look at the numbers, this is from the association of american medical colleges. it shows that nationally, there was a 2% decline in medical school grads applying for residency programs across the country, but in states with abortion bans, the
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decrease in applicants was 3% and when you look specifically at students who specialize in obstetrics and gynecology the decline in states with complete bans was 10.5% in states without restrictions. the decline was 5% so that shows a 10% drop in residency applicants in states with bands compared with a 5% drop in states without the restrictions that shows that difference there, and it shows really the impact that this is having on our future doctors on medical schools. students who are wondering what does this mean? for them and their careers moving forward and just to be clear, jacqueline this particular pill this abortion pill also is used in miscarriages, right? tell us about that. exactly so what this
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means is this will have major implications for how physicians can help treat their patients moving forward when and where, during the state of care that this can be prescribed, so that's you know, one part of the full picture here, brianna when we watch this unfold in the impact this could have on not just the physician workforce, but those who are coming into the physician workforce. those who are training those who are students at this moment, which is why that this not only will have implications as in abortion medication, but also like you said, as a medication used in other aspects of care for women , brianna yeah, it's really interesting. these trends that you're seeing jaclyn that you're detailing here. jacqueline howard, thank you so much. i mean, those are the real world implications really, just a little bit of what we're seeing , and that's why so many people are paying attention to this and will continue to hear,
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especially in the next 48 hours . jonas we wait and watch this see what the supreme court will do. i think that's right. and i think they understand at least that part that so many people are watching. and why do something if you can just wait. give it a little more thought little more consideration, given how this whole case has been rushed to the forefront of the american life, you know this. this was a case that was filed down in texas by anti abortion physicians and medical groups who specifically sought out this judge matthew kaczmarek to try to get the ruling. it did and then it's zipped up through the regional court of appeals, the fifth circuit that allowed i considerable amount of judge cosmetics decision to stay and here we are. just a few weeks later with this what could potentially be a sea change for access to medication? abortion which is we've made clear is exactly what the part that is left after what the supreme court did in june. it's the part
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that allows states. that have permitted abortions in their within their boundaries. it's those states said give them give a method to those women. and joan. i'm curious to get your perspective on something. this appears to be firmly in the grasp of justice samuel alito right well, and as what our audience knows of samuel alito is he's the one who wrote the dabs abortion decision back in june. but his role here is only by virtue of the fact that he is the justice in charge of this region of the country. the fifth circuit they divide up there. the regional circuit courts of appeals and justice alito happens to have the circuit so the emergency request from the biden ministrations and the drug manufacturer, danko went to him. and typically, what happens is an individual justice will refer the issue to the full court. now according to his order. he has not yet done that. but i cannot imagine that he has not consulted with his colleagues. they would definitely know where people stand because they
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wouldn't have to win this postponement. just because of one individual justice they saw . they gave themselves more time because as a group. they are not ready. again the major news into cnn, the supreme court temporarily extending this pause on abortion pill restrictions until friday night. we're going to stay on top of this story and bring you the very latest stay with cnn news central, we're back in moments. thehe day you t your clear choice dental implants makes every day. let's dig in day chow down day take a big bite day perfectly delicious day love my new teeth day because you're clear choice day is the day everything is back on the menu. clear choice day changes every day. schedule a free consultation. chaotte.
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white house, and this is cnn. and we're following our breaking news. the supreme court has just extended the stay that lets women keep that access to the nation's most commonly used abortion pill myth oppressed own. they have added another 48 hours where these restrictions will remain lifted, while the justices continue their decision making process joining us now we have our cnn legal analysts. we have steve vladeck with us and jennifer rogers with us as well. steve what does this indicate to you? buying time? 48 hours. where these abortion pill restrictions are not going into effect. yeah i think the best we can say and i think joe and already said this before the break is that this is probably a play to give some justice is a number of justices. time to write something more than just a summary one sentence order,
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which is what we thought we might get today. the problem with that is that doesn't tell us which side they're on. it doesn't tell us which result that's in support of. it just suggests that whatever ruling we get from the full court on friday, is going to have either or both of some explanation by the majority about why they either are or are not staying. the judge, cosmetics ruling pending appeal and or separate concurrences and dissents, so i think it raises the odds that there will be explanations on friday, but i don't think it really tilts the scales that heavily toward which result will get in. it really is just a play for time on the court's part. jennifer and again, we realized we're asking you guys to read tea leaves here and no one is inside that room right now. but john biskupic made the point. i think you made it as well, jennifer that if they had the votes to issue a more lasting stay here, stay pending appeal that they would have done it not punted. another well, 50 some odd hours until midnight friday . do you? do you read that jennifer rogers in that way? i
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am afraid i do. i mean, you know, listen, preliminary injunctions, which is the posture of this is supposed to be about preventing harm. you're supposed to go with the status quo. if not doing that will cause harm and the chaos that will ensue if any part of judge has merrick's order, much of which was affirmed by the fifth circuit goes into effect. suggest that the easiest thing to do and the thing that will cause the least harm is for them to just extend this stay through the litigation, and so you know, i feel like that's the easy call here. that's the call that causes the least harm. so if they were, you know if they had the votes to do that, i feel like they would have just done that by now, and the fact that they're not doing that suggests it's going to be some sort of a mixed bag where they affirm parts and then don't affirm parts and it's going to be probably a big mess, but also means we're not going to get a stay of it for very long. and steve taking a step back. what is the key question that the supreme court is looking here?
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is it ultimately whether a judge can make a decision that supersedes the authority of the fda? you know, jim, i think that's what's lurking in the background. but jennifer's right that the real question before the justices this week is the harm question when a party goes to the supreme court and asks for what we call emergency relief, asks for a stay pending appeal. the justices are supposed to do what we call balance the equities they're supposed to look at who is harmed more by either letting in this role and go into effect. or keeping it on pause. and so you know the reason why i think this is such a sort of difficult t leave to read is because you could also think that by extending the stay for two more days, the justices are reflected on the point that they don't want because merrick wrong to go into effect at any point. you know, we just don't know at this point. the larger point is that the justice are going to have to say something meaningful on friday because without a state whether because the justices
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formally deny it or because they don't act by 11:59 p.m. eastern time on friday. large chunks of judge cosmetics rulings go into effect first, then saturday morning, dramatically restricted access to mythic crystal on a mission wide basis. jim i think i think the question is, are the justices really willing to let that happen? at least without some kind of full throated explanation as to why steve and jennifer. thank you so much for your expertise on this, this breaking news that we're following the justices taking 48 more hours extending that pause on the abortion pill restrictions. we will find out where they go on friday night. we've been surprised by this court before on abortion rights, so we should watch this decision very closely. it's hard to predict and especially as they laid out their decision roe versus wade last year, saying that it wouldn't be something that was a blanket decision for the entire country. this one may turn into one colleague jake tapper continues our breaking coverage. the lead starts right after this. health insurance
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