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then the camera will slough to follow it. that case may never be resolved unless more data is gathered. that's it for us. the news continues. want to hand it over pamela brown and cnn primetime pamela anderson. thank you so much tonight to lawmakers , two sides of the aisle two very different points of view. the man at 1600, please if she wanted to jump and she would kill both of them. secondly biden will kill them past three by point past three bipartisan pieces of legislation that's like josh allen is better than patrick. come on. now they started their fiery but civil debate on the steps of the capitol and they'll continue it right here in the studio republican congressman byron donald's of florida and democratic congressman jamal bowman of new york. they are here to debate gun violence, the economy 2024 more that's coming up live. but first, a wrong doorbell. wrong driveway a wrong

car. three honest mistakes that anyone of us could make. turned deadly or near fatal for several young americans, all within the last week and texas two cheerleaders shot for opening the door of a car they thought was there's it happened in a supermarket parking lot. heather ross says she was trying to apologize to the man in the car when he allegedly threw up his hands and pulled out a gun. the 25 year old man is behind bars tonight, roth was struck by a bullet, but it's doing fine. a second cheerleader 18 year old peyton washington, was seriously injured, but is said to be doing well and in new york 20 year old kaylin gillis. she did not survive after she turned into the wrong driveway. the homeowner who allegedly killed her denied bail charged with second degree murder, caitlin's and obliquely emotional while addressing reporters. after that hearing. for this man to sit on his porch and fire at a car. with no threat. is just. just

angers me so badly. and i just hope to god that he dies in jail. and in kansas city. another homeowner pleaded not guilty today in the shooting of a black teen who went to the wrong address to pick up his siblings. andrew lester is now free on bond, and we got a fresh look earlier today at 16 year old ralph ja rule for the first time since he was hospitalized after suffering a traumatic brain injury. a family spokesman calling him quote a walking miracle with a head of steel. all these shootings, reigniting the debate over guns in this country nationwide and on capitol hill here's congressman jamal bowman, just last week in the halls of congress, demanding republicans act on guns. gina house. the american people need

to know that they don't to do anything to save the lives of children. bowman was one half of a remarkable moment recently on the steps of congress when two men on both sides of the debate faced each other. ships at stop infrastructure bill safer communities out. investors in climate dollar insulin high destroy the center over on southern water, everybody streets. republican byron donald's and democrat jamal bowman, belonging to opposite parties debating policy candidly and freely. it is a rare sight in these days, and we're here to continue that conversation. now the second year congressman join us and i should note you two are friends despite being on opposite sides of the aisle. thank you so much for being here for these important discussions, i think people are just craving

civility in politics and to hear civil discussions about the most important topics of the day. one of those topics, of course guns as we were just talking about. in this culture of fear. do you both agree there is a gun violence crisis in america? yes. alright absolutely. i mean the evidence speaks for itself. guns are the number one killer of children in our country because of the culture of fear mongering that has been facilitated and nurtured mostly by the republican party. you have people getting shot innocent people getting shot and driveways bringing the wrong doorbell. you have 14 year olds in my district and i'm sure not far or within byron's district district. being killed with illegal guns that are trafficked from republican led states for the most part, so there's a gun epidemic. absolutely in our country. there has been for many years and we need to move heaven and earth to stop this ban

assault rifles, rifles. let's have universal background checks , universal red flag laws, and let's make sure that law enforcement is actually tracking gun crime in their states. we i learned recently out of 17,000 law enforcement agencies. the 7000 track firearm crimes in their in their jurisdictions, the other 10,000 do not. we need to know where the guns are coming from how they're getting in and stop them from getting in two places there where they're killing black and poor people. well first of all, a couple of things that the tragedies we see on tv or horrific, you know, just looking at the footage of the father talking about what happened to his daughter going into the wrong driveway and his grief and that's something that shakes everybody. two things one. we do have a criminal justice system that is supposed to hold people accountable. when these tragedies occur. that's number one so the process does have to work. but number two, this is the balance. this is where this comes into play. americans do have constitutional

rights to hold firearms that is in the constitution. it is our governing document, and unless members of congress go through the process of amending our constitution, that is the law of the land, so i understand the grief that so many families deal with, but you have more than 100 million gun owners in our country. they own guns. legally they own them lawfully. they respect everybody's humanity, and they use them for sport or whatever, and they don't harm other people. when these tragedies occur, it is horrific . but we also have to understand that in our country, we have a balance to protect all rights. people's right to live 100% but people's right also to bear arms . they are equal rights that have to be protected, and congress is mandated to do that last piece, i will say last congress. i know there was a bill that came through the house house democrats. my colleague jamal bowman voted for that legislation. i voted against it. it didn't go anywhere in the senate and barack obama's first term. they had control of all three branches. if you remember

they had 60 votes in the senate. they could have did everything that jamal wanted to do. they didn't do that when barack obama was president. why because the data does not support the arguments that we're seeing the tragedy speaks to everybody. i'm not discounting the tragedy, but when you look at the data long run for some of the provisions that he's supporting the assault weapons ban to be won. the new york times came out and reported in 2014. it had no effect, the department of justice reported. it had no effect. um the rand corporation did a study. they said it had no effect on decreasing the atrocities that we unfortunately do see in america. so first of all, the second amendment also reads, well regulated. right now, the guns in this country are not well regulated. so we have assault rifles getting into the hands of 18 year olds and getting into the hands of people that should not have guns and they're killing children as young as six years old in our nation that is unacceptable. we need to deal with the well regulated part of the second

amendment as well as the rest of it. that's number one number two law enforcement at best exists on the back end. responding to a crime after it's committed we need to do a much better, much better job of being proactive and preventative from committing from people leaving people to commit crimes in the first place, which means we have to invest in historically disenfranchised communities. we can't talk about guns and gun violence without talking about poverty. we need to spend as much as necessary to invest in historically disenfranchised communities to end poverty in our country, which deals with the trauma, which deals with the mental health, which deals with the substance abuse. need to see republican leadership on this. and democratic leadership on this third after the sandy hook shooting, we still could not ban assault weapons in our nation. and to byron's point, yes, democrats have to be more aggressive and ensuring that we do what we need to do not just legislatively, but with our

voice to respond to the n r a and respond to those who continue to be second amendment parents peers and then lastly, republicans are sacrificing our children for the second amendment. our children, our most precious resource children that will grow up to be creators . innovators, designers solve climate change, save our democracy from itself. we have republican members of the house , wearing assault rifle pins on the house floor after mass shootings have occurred. so this tells you what their priorities are assault weapons. the second amendment, part of it, not the well regulated part over the lives of innocent americans. that's unacceptable. a couple of things number one. i completely disagree with the argument that republicans are sacrificing the lives of kids that is not true republican support law and order and every community in america already on the subject is about law and order. do you know why? because if you don't take crime seriously at the lower level, if

you don't take it seriously, it puts it precipitates two things one make crime. can i finish talking going to crime because it's a talking about guns. part of what we're talking about. a gun by itself is an object. it is a tool, but what we're talking about it. it's used in tragedies where people lose lives. two key things number one. if law enforcement in a jurisdiction is not have the ability to do its job and hold people accountable when they break the law was saying finish saying finish. let me make my point job. several jurisdiction. asians were law enforcement is actually prohibited from doing their job. we can talk about various district attorneys in various districts throughout the united states. we could talk about various judges who actually turned down, um, holding people accountable for committing crime. you have police officers in our country who are doing their job there are locking up criminals. but then what happens is the d a. or the judge terms of loose on the

backside. what you creating that environment is number one a citizenry who is thinking, man? if the if the police can't protect me, then i gotta do this on my own. that's why law enforcement is critical to all of this to continue to do that. when i talk about the front after the let's talk about the front the front and if you believe that we should be investing in poverty. the united states. poverty, the united states government has been doing that to the tune of more than $10 trillion, with the great society passed by lyndon johnson . but here's where republicans support we have long supported school choice and opportunities for parents of find the best place for their child to attend. not every academic institution that you might be a red line for lack of a better phrase fits the need of that child. help those parents get where they need to go. number two choice doesn't end given unity. actually i'm giving it a taste. not does. school choice leads to economic opportunity doesn't economic opportunity leads, but we

haven't 100 system. let's hear what congressman movement has to say now economic system. where two of the wealthiest americans own more wealth than the bottom 50% of the country. we have levels of economic inequality that are worse than the gilded age. to truly invest in poverty . you have to reverse the impact of the disproportionate distribution of wealth that happened post slavery. the homestead act, which gave the entire west to white americans, both native and foreign born that kept black people from getting that land those homes and building wealth. black banks have never been invested in in a way that let's say the bank of italy was invested in that now has become bank of america. one of our largest banks. you've had jim crow, black laws, kkk mass incarceration. you've had globalization. where are we with the race, too? the bottom chasing low cost labor all over

the world taken industrial jobs out of the black communities. you know what they know what they brought back in. cops and drugs and the numbers game you gave us in the legal economy and cops but never repaired the harm that you have caused, which is why black, mostly gun trafficking, trafficking. the black and brown communities and black and brown. people are killing each other with it. so when i talk about dealing with the issue of poverty, i'm talking about reparations. repairing the historic harm investing in schools equitably right now, if you live in a wealthy community, you get more money for your school. then you live in the park community and the poor communities only poor because they were red line by the united states government. vienna g. i, bill. come on. now let me address a couple of your things. so the first thing you said is about income inequality. listen of course, incomes are not equal because everybody has different levels of talent ability. people have started in different parts in life. we both acknowledge that i will never sit here and say a slave master

. i'm never gonna sit here and say that black people in america started at the same place of other people in america. i'm not going to make that point because we both know that is not true. but let's talk about the reality of economics today in america. you mentioned the gilded age that it was actually less income inequality back during the time of the aristocracy and kings and queens than today, that is factually not true, because the kings owned all the serfs, the peasants owned nothing even in america today, where you have people who have enormous wealth . you have a lot of people on the low end the bottom end of our social economic spectrum who have better lives. better conditions make more money than the service ever did during that time. do you know what unleashed that free market capitalism in the west is what unleashed that that's number one number two. if you're gonna get to a situation where black wealth grows, or, frankly, people on the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrums

wealth grows, then you have to respect property rights. because once you let the government say that they have the ability to take from one to give to the other or to say that you know what we're going to go borrow frankly, more than the 32 trillion we already owed to other people, and we're gonna just borrow that and then make future americans across the board. pay that debt that once you're also saying it there is no respect for individual property. there is no respect for individual assets. there is no respect for the innovation necessary to create all the wealth that's been created in america. i'm not hit sitting here to say that it's all fair. it's all good. life ain't fair. you want fair. go to a carnival . go get you an elephant ear. life's not fair. i would never say that. but what i say is and what i advocate for is that our economic system by far is the most fair because it gives people like ourselves inability to change where we came from which we both did to where we are. now there are people colleagues of mine friends of mine from high school. they've

achieved more than me. they've achieved less than me. this is the way life is in america and what we got to be honest about and be and be direct to the american people are is that if you actually take education, family creation choices in life college jets one. we can talk about that, too. and all those various things you bring them together in our fabric of an economic engine that actually grows and doesn't stagnate. that's the pathway towards success. so please explain to me why. let's stay with the racial issue for a section. go ahead. second go ahead. black people have worse education outcomes. worst economic outcomes worse healthcare outcomes and a shorter lifespan. do you think that's genetic? well the first i would say is the economic think that's genetic. do you think? actually, you know, i don't we still have this level of racial wealth inequality in america because of genetics. no i don't.

don't hold on. i'm not finished . we i would argue that black people were talented. we could do it. but that's me. question about that. that's why you and i are here we are. examples of the right point is we are anomalies . we are outliers to our people really large and we see disproportionate harm to our people that has to be addressed now in terms of present day. i mentioned the wealth inequality . we still have a regressive tax code. when it comes to the wealthiest americans. i would argue that the wealthiest americans are not contributing their fair share to our government. wait let me finish. i would also argue that large corporations do not contribute their fair share to our democracy and as a result of that the government is not generating the revenue that it would need to reinvest in universal childcare, which is absolutely necessary for thriving society paid leave, which we're the only developed nation that doesn't have paid leave universal pre k and

investments on the front end so that we can have a better long term outcomes. because of historical trauma in certain communities, those communities and because of consistent, persistent political harm that comes from the policies. we are not enacting in congress. certain groups of people are not moving forward. the last thing i'll say is this we have been trying and pushing president biden to pass transformational legislation to address some of these issues. i want to name a few chips in science act bipartisan piece of legislation passed by the president, the inflation reduction act. passed by the president. the bipartisan infrastructure bill passed by the president. the safer communities act passed by president which was also bipartisan between the ira and the ships and science act. we already see jobs with money just started going out the door 200 billion created 82,000 jobs 75% to republican jurisdictions, so just transitioning to the kind

of leadership we need from from the executive. the president has done some good things, but obviously we have to push him to do much more, and we need republicans and democrats on the same page to take our country to the place. it's never been all arguments are not going to suffice really quickly, and then we're going to come back and finish the discussion really quickly. he's got a lot in there. then you can do the other. you can do it after the break, but go ahead. let me tackle one thing, and we'll come back to the other stuff. if you're talking about the ability for kids in the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum to learn they have every capability to do that. but what do most kids who were poor in america realized there in an educational system were a they don't have the resources to them be. some of the standards have been lowered. because the truth? yes it is true for 20 years, i've seen the data. my mother worked in education through the facts have been lowered in mathematics and in reading. not true. that's not common question cities across the nation that have done this common core that have done this. i'll let you talk about. let me talk if you're not going to have an adequate standard for kids to

rise and meet, how do you expect them to go ahead and thrive? that's one thing that's just one thing. so that's why i advocate for we should actually have many opportunities for kids to go find the academic outfit that they need for their success because their brilliance is unmatched, but it's got to be unleashed. and, unfortunately, whether you know between a lot of things going on at home and things going on in the public school system it's not being unleashed were pause right there. i'll let you finish at the end of the other side of this break because you're right. you do deserve more time trying to be fair here and equitable and thank you both for bringing the fire and the civility. we're going to continue this conversation up next inside the 2024 race as we get new insight into biden's re election plans. meanwhile governor ron desantis losing support in his own backyard. why so many florida republicans are flocking to donald trump instead when we return. ravana we've created a brand new way for you to sell your car. go to carve ana. answer a few questions in our techno wizardry, calculates your

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last year. that of course, would be you, congressman donald's so tell us why did you choose trump over desantis? i'm gonna come back to that in a moment to address some things, america, okay? our tax code. is one of the most progressive in the world. it is not regressive. the top 1% pays 20% of the entire federal income tax bill. the top 30% 40% excuse me pays over 60% the top nine. the top 90% pay everything in the top 50% pay everything the top 10% got it wrong. the top 10 paid 90% of everything okay? it is by far one of the most progressive in the world. i think what you're referring to is dealing with fica and price and payroll taxes, which everybody pays because everybody does pay into social security and medicare. we gotta understand that number two we raised more revenue in the united states under the tax cutting jobs act. some people refer to the tunnel at the trump tax cuts. we raised more revenue than at any point in american history. $4.5 trillion. we've

never raised that kind of money in the united states, so we raise tax revenue all over the place. corporations are paying rich people are paying upper middle class people are paying middle class. people are paying and trust me. they're paying, because if you ask them what's going on in their tax bill, they'll tell you they're paying the taxes. the problem is here in washington, d c. we spend way more than we have. we just raised 4.5 trillion we spent $6 trillion last year. six trillion, the president. to go spend seven trillion. i mean, that just doesn't make any sense at all. that is not sustainable . we do have to get our house in order. if then you want to talk about all these things, jamal that you're talking about, because the thing that's coming for every american every american under this economy number one has been inflation. we all know it. it's been covered at nauseum number two is the fact that if we continue to borrow, borrow money recklessly, interest on the debt will become larger than what we pay on defense larger than when we play it. pay and discretionary programs. we gotta take serious. flee the spending of the american people's money, and we got to do it in a consistent and

bipartisan way. i will add. i will add to make sure that we lower our debt and we get on the balanced budget track. now hold on. now to the other question. okay here we go. ah so here's the deal. i have endorsed the deal endorsed president trump. looking at the world right now. we are on the precipice, frankly of world war three and a lot of cases. russia is heavily involved in ukraine. china is negotiating with brazil and other countries around the united states dollar they're becoming way more aggressive with taiwan, and in short, they're doing this because they see weakness with the current commander in chief. one joe biden. my view on the presidential primaries amongst republicans is that our nominees got to hit the ground running on day one and be able to say to the world of american leadership is back. we're not going to have countries in their sovereignty to be taken advantage of. we want to actually have global security and global trade and, frankly, global harmony. i remember hillary clinton once said in a debate in 2016 that if

donald trump became president of the united states, we will be on the precipice of world war three. well, that never happened . as a matter of fact, the world got a lot safer if anybody's got it is on the precipice is joe biden. so if you ask me a decision between donald trump and ron desantis what i'm looking for somebody who can come in day one and get america back on track. donald trump has done it once he can do it again. and i would ask all americans you have president trump. you have president biden. they both done the job. the question is, who did it better the answer to that one. i appreciate that. let me just go to his first point, so warren buffett's secretary. pays a higher tax than warren buffett higher tax rate than warren buffett. that's the america we live in. the majority of americans cannot adequately respond to a $400 emergency. i don't know what kind of district brother briar in represents. but i represent people who live in the projects. people who live in public housing, where we haven't

invested a dime in public housing and over 10 years, so this extraordinary economy that the brothers talking about doesn't trickle down to my constituents who live in eden wall projects doesn't trickle down to my constituents who live in the poor areas of mount vernon, yonkers, new rochelle, worchester and greenberg. so this glorious economy where the wealthy continue to hide trillions overseas and use the money for stock buybacks instead of creating new jobs. that's the economy that people are living with dealing with every day and then when we talk about inflation, these companies are price gouging, making record profits during the pandemic and post back them because they're raising prices even after we dealt with the supply chain issues now in terms of donald trump. the brothers making the debate way too easy for me. world war three we are the first attack on the u. s capitol sister war of 18 12 the first

attack on the u. s capitol by u. s citizens in u. s history who facilitated and nurture this attack. donald j. trump that's actually twitter on all these social media platforms true on january 6th next statement, i'm gonna meet he gonna speech. i'm gonna meet you down there. he tried to ride with the secret service. they was like, chill president trump you bugging you can't ride with us. he let his supporters coming past the metal detectors with guns during the speech on january 6th. that's also not wooden crosses down the street. this is what he did. he's endorsing and insurrectionists not true at all party at all, many of them voted to overturn the election results and push the big line democrats voted to overturn elections to jamal, brother choose democrats haven't vote, democrats have voted to overturn an election. they didn't do that in 2004. they didn't do that in 2000, and that's not right now. you're

bringing up old stuff bringing up old stuff mitt it to trump was caught on tape again. trump was caught on tape. admitting to sexually assaulting women. i just grabbed him by the you know what he was recently indicted in new york for hush money payments to a porn star. you and i both know it. indictment is foolishness, and i will foolishness. it's political and, you know, let me go ahead. i'll raise you one better go ahead raise because we're gonna talk about stuff going on in the background. you have the president's brother. the president's son. they are taking wire payments from people across the globe. jamal i've seen some of the documents myself. they are taking these payments. we've already documented a million dollars going to hunter biden facilitated with other members of the biden family today. what dude, stop that that running for president now, you know better than that than that, you know better than national. biden's getting money from chinese from people with chinese companies if

he's facilitating the sale of oh, bought mine to china, while joe biden is setting energy policy in the united states. you don't think that man's compromised. come on. you don't think he knows what his son is doing this? he doesn't know what his son is doing talking about hunter biden right now. he doesn't know what his son is doing just that the president's judgment is compromised. wanna get? i want to bring this back because we can really go to a lot of places here, but i want to go back to 2024. and the two front runners for the republican party and the democratic party, trump and biden. they would be the oldest president in us history. so what do you see as the future of your party after biden and trump so the future of our party is congresswoman ocasio cortez, the future of our party is congresswoman ayanna pressley. the future of our party is cori bush, ilhan omar rashida to leave some early greg gas are hakeem jeffries, gretchen whitmore. greg newsome.

governor newsom westmore on and on and then let me ask benches crazy. let me ask you. this bench is off the hook, then, would you? are you going to endorse biden? assuming he's going to announce, or would you like to see one of them? 2020 24 announces a run for 2024. i'm going to endorse biden. yes and then we will do whatever we gotta do to push him and hold him accountable to make sure he's responding to the american people. that's all we've been doing. the american people want to see universal health. care. universal childcare investments in housing investments in and dealing with climate change. they want to see a woman have a right to her own reproductive rights. this is what the american people want to see by and large even in republican states and counties, so we're going to hold them accountable to that. what do you see as the future of your party after biden and trump man, our future is bright. are you kidding me? we already have americans. governor ron desantis. you have governor . young skin. you have governor gnome. you got tim scott? you

have we have so many. our roster is super deep. you got people in congress right now who? frankly, they can do a significantly better job than a lot of people . everyone talk debate. you know, that's something you can't even stand next to president. let's move on. you gonna let me talk to my brother? i'm sorry. go here we go. but let me go back to what the american people need. we have a problem at our southern border created by joe biden. the southern border is a mess. it is created by the president on purpose. there are 70,000 deaths per year from fentanyl per year since he's been president of the united states. we were talking in the opening segment about guns, but the democrats don't want to do anything about the border. they act like it doesn't exist. bizarre the borders are she was down there for an hour and a half. i've made four trips myself. i can tell you right now. the four things you need to do to secure it. number one give border agency ability to actually make determinations. incredible fear number two. you can't allow rampant asylum. at the southern border because what is happening is the drug cartels

are taking advantage of our border policy. there are young girls who are being raped on the journey to our southern border that is happening right now. today under the nose and the guys of joe biden and the democrats. the american people don't want to see fentanyl in their streets, killing family members, killing friends, people taking a valium or whatever. it's laced with fentanyl, and they're dying. as a result, the american people don't want that number to the american people want an economy where inflation isn't crushing their pocketbooks? wages are actually up. but the problem is that wages adjusted for inflation are down. everybody's falling behind . black families have fallen behind under joe biden under donald trump. black families were actually making more money building more wealth had more economic opportunity that has all eroded under joe biden, and it's getting worse seniors on fixed incomes. they're falling behind the very people, jamal that you want to help their falling behind under your president. they're not the same group of americans than they were in 2018, and we all get the pandemic. it was awful, and we

have now moved past that. but we got to get back to sound economic principle that works for everybody. and what joe biden in the democrats are offering doesn't work and the people you listed they all support the same economic policies or worse, that's not going to be helpful for the future of america. so not much of what you just said was true, but i'm gonna be part of it was true letting you have also visited the border and i met with border patrol police and they told me well over 90% of the people they stop are not committing any crimes at all. the only crime is seeking asylum in our country. if you want to call it allowed to go. number one. number two number two real quick. i don't haven't interrupted you. but i gotta stop you here number two under federal law up, you're not allowed to claim asylum at the southern border. joe biden isn't allowing that. okay, let me finish. let me finish number 2 70% offense, and all that comes in here is brought in by american citizens. that's a fact number three also visited the northern triangle. where the

majority of mass migration comes from. have you heard of united fruit? have you heard of the iran culture scandal? are you very familiar with the way america and our western allies have disrupted the economies in central and south america leading to abject poverty, hunger and despair and how we have funded militaries and police and those countries to intimidate so that corporations can come in in mind? we've left them with nothing. that's why they're coming here seeking asylum. then third. i've met recently with one of the top economic advisors in the country. and the economic forum in our country, one of their main priorities. comprehensive comprehensive immigration reform because immigrants are the engine of our economy and right now because of trump's disruptive policies, they're dealing with fair and despair as they try to destructive policies . at least america's economy. disruptive policies are allowed americans to thrive than at any

other time in american history since the reagan administration , those disruptive economic policy will tell you that is there are american gentlemen, black people have to want those economic bottom line. you both have to come back because clearly there's a lot more to discuss. but i want to thank you both. i really mean that millions of people in america they believe everything you just said. millions of people believe what you just said. i think it is important to hear different perspectives and to have tolerance for those perspectives . and you both show that so thank you very much. thank you, sir. yes, sir. oh all right. i just i just sat here. my job was easy. so thank you for making my job so easy. well, the supreme court buys more time to issue a ruling on a drug millions of women used to end early pregnancies does the extension signal disagreement among the conservative majority that upended roe v. wade? abby phillip is next. chasing business premier card is made for people like sam who make everyday products design smarter, like a smart coffee grinder. fresh beans for you,

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that if they had the votes today to either allow me for per stone to continue to be utilized as it has been for the last 20 years or continue with judge cause merrick's ruling in as a on a permanent basis, they would have done it, but they're not doing it because they need more time. they need more time either to take a look at the briefs, and there have been a lot of briefs that have been filed, especially over the last several days to the court, or they need more time to sort out where the votes are and to sort out where, whether or not there are going to be written opinions. i think there have been a lot of legal experts who have said we're not just going to get a judgment here. we may get some actual rationale and some explanation, and, uh, that is probably all we know at this moment and we'll see what comes next. but this is a really uncertain time for the abortion rights movement because you're looking at a court system , not just the supreme court court system at the federal level that is probably the most

conservative as it has been in several generations. and it's interesting too, depending on how the court decides because we know what happened right after her robbi wade was overturned, and so much of that opinion was about letting states decide. leave it up to the states. but if the high court upholds the lower court's opinion on this from the judge that single judge in texas that would essentially have a huge impact on the states that have that are allow abortion. i mean, this is why i think this particular case is such a, you know, almost like a pandora's box of potential legal issues. you're not just talking about the fact that it would mean basically taking what has been a states rights argument and making it nationally again, which i do think poses a problem for the supreme court just ruled in dobbs that they were going to let it go back to the states. but the second problem is the going on effects on the fda approval process in general, you do have to wonder whether the supreme court is going to want

to open the door to any sort of complainants coming before the federal court system and saying this drug this this vaccine this treatment this therapy, we think that it is not safe based on whatever the rationale is, i do think it really opens up a whole new world here, and that is you know, in addition to the abortion effects, that's another major step for the court that i think they probably are taking more time to look at that part of it, too. and i want to also note this is it's dubbed often an abortion pill, but i know people who had had a miscarriage or they had a pregnancy that wasn't viable and they relied on on these pills it takes. i just think also, there's a lot of complexity to this issue right and it's going to be really interesting to see how the hype and knowing that method per stone is a two drug regimen and what are health experts have said, and health experts across the spectrum said, is that if you then rely on the one drug, it's not as effective. and what does that mean for women? you do

have to wonder how much is the court weighing that? how much is the court weighing the preponderance of evidence over 20 plus years of approval versus weighing what is a clear uh, ideological effort on the part of the people bringing the case to take this drug off the market so as to reduce the number of abortions that are happening in the united states. that is such a huge part of this picture here , and i also think that as it relates to just health care in general, we've seen that the stories are already happening. i think the chilling effect is already there on the healthcare community. we see it in the anecdotal stories that that are all across the country. about doctors who are just hesitant to treat patients with very complex gynecological conditions because of the legal environment around all of this, all right, abby, phillip, thank you so much catch inside politics at 11 am on sunday war gaming on capitol hill tonight, lawmakers preparing for an actual scenario in which china invades taiwan

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the taiwanese president's visit to california this month. cnn's chief national security correspondent jim sciutto is here with us so this clearly signals that lawmakers. we're taking this very seriously. they are concerned as china continues to seemingly take steps toward lawmakers are concerned the intelligence agencies are the pentagon is and most importantly of all taiwan is concerned. i spoke to the foreign minister last week, and he watched these exercises unfold a little more than a week ago and said these are not just symbolic that they are signs that china is preparing for war. so you have this committee now war gaming, which is something that the pentagon does frequently and we're seeing. on the hill now to see how this might play out and just for folks at home to have a sense of what war games have shown so far. c s. i s another think tank did did 24 series of 24 war games in january. and the losses in a conflict like this over taiwan are staggering. we haven't seen as a country losses like this since world war two in their exercises both sides by

the way, lose dozens of warships , not one or two dozens. they lose thousands to tens and tens of thousands of service members , many dozens of aircraft as well on both sides. so two aircraft carriers in the war games they carried out the us losing two aircraft carriers, which, as you know, each one carries 5000. sailors so the scale of this conflict if it were to break out these war games show would be beyond anything we've seen since the middle of the last century. and you mentioned you spoke to taiwan's foreign minister. let's listen to what he said. is beijing in your view, threatening taiwan with war. yes indeed. look at the military sizes, exercises and also their rhetoric. there seems to be trying to get ready to launch a war against taiwan. i mean, he was really direct. there he was , you know, in 11 reason, he

said that to me, was those exercises that they were a joint strike, in effect an air, land and sea attack on taiwan. that's not just a certain you know, that's not just in circling the island blockading it, which is an option that have been discussed that china might consider that that is an operation to take over the island and with enormous military casualties, but potentially civilian casualties as well. this, but we do know that the cia director said in public testimony that he believes she jinping has told his military to be ready by 2027 to do just that. so tonight as we're speaking members on the hill are now war gaming this out to see what it would look like, and based on what they've seen so far. it's not pretty frightening. alright jim sciutto . thank you. congrats on the new show, by the way, central tomorrow at one p.m. eastern. up next former fox news anchor gretchen carlson made an urgent plea with dominion voting systems not to settle their lawsuit with the network. and now she is breaking her silence

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her own $20 million settlement with fox's parent company after alleging sexual harassment and retaliation. was somebody who's also had a very high profile lawsuit against the former ceo and chairman of fox news, roger ailes, as somebody who has been silenced as a result of that, with being able to tell all the facts of what actually happened to me. you know, i was vicariously living through dominion and hoping that they would be able to get to the truth. i would love to be able to reach out to all of those fox news viewers and hope that somehow we could get them back into the reality of what's really going on, but i think we're so far gone in this fake news era that i'm not necessarily hopeful about that. fox still faces a $2.7 billion defamation suit filed by smartmatic, another voting technology company. well, thank you so much for joining us. the news continues here on cnn.