tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN April 21, 2023 4:00pm-5:01pm PDT
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in the business of making policy decisions or moral decisions. those were his words, and that's exactly what we saw in the lower court cases here, and the second thing he did say was the supreme court is not outlawing abortion nationwide, and i think what we're going to see is the supreme court itself, stepping back in several of these cases, it's ruled it ruled in a very big way in june, rolling back a half century of abortion rights , but i think now it's going to wait and let the lower courts do what they're going to do and just take a pass. step back from the brink, so to speak. and leave it, leave it to others and let that prior ruling stand as it is now. wolf significant development major major breaking news unfolding and we saw it unfold right here into our viewers. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. erin burnett outfront starts right now. this
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is cnn breaking news. good evening. i'm erin burnett. outfront tonight. we do have breaking news, the supreme court making a major ruling tonight one that many across the united states were waiting anxiously to hear the court ruling just hours before a midnight deadline. right? so we're on a friday night here. seven o'clock eastern, just this ruling coming out their ruling that are widely used abortion drug. kristen will remain available for now. okay so here's the crucial context here. it was just two weeks ago that a trump appointed federal judge suspended the medications approval by the fda. so an appeals court then decided to impose restrictions on the drug that included blocking mail delivery requiring a doctor visit to get it determining what point during a pregnancy. the drug could be used all of this. so it goes to the supreme court, which is now weighed in which is stopping those lower court rulings from taking place. now here's the key, at least until the appeals process plays out, which could take months, so
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they're going to allow it to be sold while the appeals process works its way through the system. we have a team of reporters standing bipolar read live in washington, phil mattingly at the white house. so paul, let me start with you. what more can you tell us about this ruling, which literally is coming in the hours before the midnight deadline. you're exactly right. they just had a few hours to go, but they have revealed that is widely used abortion drug will remain on the market as larger questions. lawsuits about this medication worked their way through the appeals system you touched on this, but never per stone, along with one other drugs. they are used in a process called medication abortion that accounts for over half of all abortions in the united states last year after the supreme court overturned the constitutional right to abortion , a lot of attention turned towards medication abortion not only in conservative state legislatures but also in litigation. and as you noted just a few weeks ago, a judge who was specifically targeted in a texas invalidated the fda is
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longstanding approval of mifepristone. and the question before the supreme court over the past few days as well. alright what happens with that decision, while that case works its way through the appeals process, they had a lot of options. we weren't quite sure exactly what they were going to do, but they have decided to put that decision on hold to allow this drug to remain widely available. while this case makes its way made through the appeals court. but erin, this is not likely going to be the last time the supreme court weighs in on this because this case is going to be heard at the fifth circuit court of appeals. they have said it on an expedited schedule. oral arguments are scheduled for may 17th and whatever happens there will be appealed. so the supreme court will likely have to weigh in first to decide if they want to hear the case and if they do hear the case to make an ultimate decision on the merits here, now we'll know justices clarence thomas and samuel alito. both dissented publicly, but this is a big win for the biden white house. alright thank you very much paula, and it is a big win for
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the biden white house, which has just put out a statement. let me go straight to phil mattingly. who is there with that and phil, tell you more erin look to paula's point. the administration has been very clear white house officials bracing for a very long legal battle, one they knew wasn't going to end with whatever came out tonight. but they were also in the midst of intensively preparing for any result tonight , certainly getting the one that they hoped for and having a statement quite ready just in time about 30, minutes after the decision came down, the president in that statement, saying, as a result of the supreme court statement for chris stone remains available and approved. for safe and effective use. while we continue this fight in the courts continue to stand by the fda. fda is evidence based approval of mifepristone and my administration will continue to defend fda as independent expert authority to review approved and regulate a wide range of prescription drugs also says the stakes could not be higher for women across america. i will continue to fight these politically driven attacks, but he makes one final point here. i think this underscores that this
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is a multipronged response effort preparation that you're seeing from white house officials right now it's the political one. the president making the point that regardless of what happens in the courts, the most effective thing for those who support both this medication and also, abortion rights, generally in the wake of the dobbs decision is to do something about it at the vote. do something about it at the polls, do something about it in the election years, and i think you've seen that approach. certainly behind the scenes preparing for anything that could happen for this case, but publicly, the vice president has been out throughout the course of this week. talking about this. the president's top advisors on this issue have been rallying as well. they understand the political salience of this issue. they've seen it play out and states and in certain races leading up to this moment, and it's certainly going to be an element of the push going forward legal public health, certainly, but also political, erin all right. thank you very much. phil mattingly in washington and let's go now to ryan goodman and karin agness follow to continue our coverage. so let's just start off with what this means, karen, look
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this. this could have gone other ways. they could have said that you can't you can't buy this drug. while this works its way through the system, we let the lower court ruling stand right. there were other ways this could have worked out, and it is a conservative majority court. so are you surprised at all by this decision that they are allowing the drug to continue to be sold as this works its way through the appeals process. so this is a little bit of a surprise for sure, given the conservative majority on the court, but when dobbs came down, they specifically said when they overturned roe versus wade to leave this decision up to the states, right. that's what they said. let the states decide there's no federal constitutional right to an abortion. and so this one judge in texas that was clearly forum shopped and picked by the people who are antiabortion. they went to a place in texas, where they knew there was a judge that was percent pro life anti abortion and he's the only judge who sits there, judge kaczmarek. they went there specifically knowing he would rule this way. there's
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many people around the country scratching their heads, saying, how can one judge in texas outlaw this medication for everybody, including in places where abortion is legal, so i i'm i'm very delighted and happy that the supreme court has pressed pause. it is not a complete victory because it's just a pause. this winds its way through the appellate system. alright, so let me ask ryan, you were crucial question about this while winds its way through the system, and paula was laying out right that this is obviously saying we're gonna hit pause as it works its way through the court is going to hear actually on the merits right of mythic history on the whole issue of whether you can block the fda from allowing this to be sold, even in states that that do have abortion rights. so when does how how quickly do we get to a bottom line? answer here. so there's a good chance that this will thrust the decision back to the supreme court in the summer of 2020, for the reason is,
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let's say that there are all argument does take place on may 17th and they take a couple of months before they issue an opinion at the court of appeals of the fifth circuit. and then that gets appealed to the supreme court. they hear oral argument they take a couple of months before they render their decisions in the summer of 2024 just looking like the summer 2024. which has political implications for the summer before a presidential election. all right, so this is crucial. now. what do you make of the fact you've got? clarence thomas and samuel alito dissenting but again, this is a majority conservative court. so that means people like amy coney barrett went along. obviously we know her personal view is anti abortion went along and said that this drug should be allowed to be sold as this works its way through. what do you make of that? it is a signal, um, and it's a signal in part because they might have certain views on abortion. but the cases in this particular posture where there's this issue of standing can plaintiffs bring claims do they have to prove that they themselves would be harmed by the drug being on the market? it's a radical position that's
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been taken by the courts below. so what they really want to flip back a bunch of other supreme court precedents to try to take that claim. they've sent a signal the fact that they only had two justices in dissent. alito and thomas, which were expected is a signal to the fifth circuit. the fifth circuit is a very conservative court, but now they might be thinking, okay if we go in a certain direction of overturning the fda we're going to be overturned by the supreme court. and courts don't like to do that. what do you think about that, karen? you know the point here that you had thomas and alito with the descent but not an amy coney barrett as an example. yeah, so it's what ryan is saying. this is just as much about the fight for abortion as it is for process and procedure, so it's really it's a head scratching court to for you know that. that's a conservative court, but it's a head scratching court. so i think we just don't know. and the fifth circuit is a very conservative court, so but but really what happened in the court below in judge kaczmarek, with with this nationwide ban was absolutely one of the most
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dramatic and shocking rulings that i think someone could could do, especially with a drug that has been in effect and improved by the fda for more than 20 years, and as every other scientists are pointing out, it's safer than things like penicillin and viagra. this is clearly a lawless decision that is all about putting forth his own agenda. and i think that that is not what judges are supposed to do. you're not supposed to be an activist judge and i do i think that some some justices are having an opinion about that. it's about enforcing the law. not about your own opinion, right? because ryan it would seem what? what you're going to see. watch out. play play through right now is exactly the point. you made you in a court, which supports states' rights, right? and they say federalism, right and its ultimate definition. how do you allow? uh that to not sell this drug in states where there is abortion, where abortion is
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allowed at any point right? that would seem to go against what a conservative view of the court would be. that's right. um, and they do seem willing to go against their conservative views on what is the relationship between states and the like. when it comes to abortion. i think that there is, you know, the real concern is that justice a leader and then seeing how many votes he can never pick up would want this to go nationwide , and they were just ways in which they can get there through. deciding cases over time, and this is one way they could get there. he wanted to be there. he wanted to be there tonight. he wrote a dissent a very emotional, somewhat descent of being somewhat angry with his alito's yeah, saying that he would have totally upheld the decision below and that this would have been tonight they would have actually made the drug taking it off of the market, and people would not be able to get it in the very state in which abortion is legal. that would have been his decision. so the question is, how many can he ever pick up over time and he
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would want it across the country. and does that conversation, karen, then start behind the scenes alito trying to work his fellow conservative justices, who tonight, right are not on board. but you know, but they know full well, eventually this is going to come in front of them. yeah absolutely. there's going to be a lot of conversations behind the scenes about that. and i think also what we should expect to be happening behind the scenes is the fda continuing the fda fast tracked this drug many many, many years ago decades ago, and it's really their process and procedure that this judge is hanging its hat on. the question is, can the fda do the normal regular procedure and get it approved before we can get before the supreme court renders a final decision is think another question that will be very interesting. alright well, both of you, thank you very much . i appreciate it. of course, as we try to understand the significance of this and i think fastening what you said ryan that this is going to come to a head, probably in the summer of 2020 for the heat of the political election cycle. let's go outfront, now to democratic
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congresswoman barbara lee of california she's co chair of the pro choice caucus, and i will note as a candidate for senator dianne feinstein. senate seat in 2024. so, congresswoman. first your initial reaction to this ruling from the supreme court, right? they waited until the final the final time here. it's a friday night just before seven o'clock. the deadline is midnight. that abortion pill will now be allowed to be sold as this works its way through the appeals process. your reaction well, thanks for having me this afternoon. but let me just tell you we can definitely breathe a sigh of relief. the status quo exists. but we have to be concerned, though about the future in terms of the attempts by the far right to try to enact a national abortion ban , and i believe that they are going to continue, and that's why as pro choice caucus chair co chair we have to make sure that we fight to get the women's health protection act passed, uh and that we codified put into
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law the right to an abortion politicians. judges should not make decisions about people's health care and about making that hard decision about whether or not a person decides personally to have an abortion or not. and congresswoman. you speak about this as as a woman who has had to make that decision. you shared your story of having a back alley abortion as you called it in mexico as a team that was before abortion was legal in the united states. it was obviously well before this abortion pill, which allowed for medical abortions was available, you know what is the significance of a medication like this? when you think about how it could have impacted your life? sure and let me say it. it was very difficult to talk about at age 15.5 to have an abortion was illegal in california was illegal in texas. it was illegal in mexico. just like nah, i was fearful of being arrested, being criminal being criminalized and
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also, uh, maybe dying. i was one that survived because during that period, septic abortions was the largest killer of african american women. and so fast forward to today, mr preston is a is a safe medication. it's been used by over five million people. it's been used over 20 years. the safety and efficacy is not in question, and in fact, it provides access to abortion care for people who want to decide who decided to have an abortion and it's safe and again. it's the prominent, uh, method of abortions and so hey, we need to keep this in place. we need to not let politicians and judges try to make it illegal. and so once again, i'm very relieved of this decision. but we have to stay vigilant because they want to establish a national abortion fan and that is unacceptable. well, we're not going to go back to those days. we of course, just saw right in the state of
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florida governor desantis trying to put you know, putting forth a six week ban on abortions. and you know the other day the governor of new hampshire likely presidential candidate christine nunu told me. he just is upset. this issue keeps coming up. he's upset that the right of his party are making a dish an issue, he said. every single time abortion comes up, a new democrat gets his wings. that's how he described it. ryan goodman just a moment ago was saying that this is probably going to work its way through the supreme court to an actual decision on whether this drug can be sold or not the merits of the case. in the summer of 2024, right right before the presidential election itself. is that a good thing for democrats? well let me just say the right to make your own personal healthcare decisions is a right that the public months they polls have shown this last election has shown that people do not want politicians and elected officials interfering in their personal decisions. and so whatever the decision will be next year. if in fact that
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occurs there. hopefully it will be the right decision where people can make their own decisions about their health care and their medical decision. visions but believe you, me we thought the elections again last year and we see what people believe what people believe in abortions or not. that's not the issue. the issue is a person's individual right to justice and to reproductive freedom. and people understand that that is the critical aspect of the right to having an abortion. it's not yeah, the right wing is trying to tout. it's about personal decisions about your own body and health care, congressman. of course. when i talk about 2024, you're going to be in the senate race at that time and more than 60 progressive groups right now and california are urging the current senator dianne feinstein to resign. she's missed 70 votes. obviously, she has shingles. has been hospitalized , and it doesn't judicial nominees are waiting for confirmation and are not able to move forward without her vote. now i know you obviously are
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running for a seat. you've announced that she is retiring at that time, but should she resigned before her term is over so that things like those judicial nominees could move ahead. less than i am, and i've said this before i am concerned about senator feinstein's health . she issued her statement and said that she would be back to work she's trying to get or she tried to get someone appointed to the judiciary committee. she sent the message and, of course, the republican stop that and so i think we need to understand and respect her decisions and pray for her recovery. and then she gets back to washington, dc , to do her job. there's a lot of work to do. and so i personally again personally hope that she recovers and recovers well and drain robbery. i do want to note, of course, the governor of your state gavin newsom has said he would appoint a black woman to feinstein seat if she were to resign and many i mean, obviously, i'm not saying anything you don't know anyone
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watching. doesn't know they think you would be top of his list. if that happened. would you accept? well, first of all, the governor will make his own decision, he did say and committed to appointing a black woman, if, in fact that ever that time ever came, but he has his own process, and i'm not going to interfere in the governor's process. he'll do the right thing by what he believes is the right thing to for him to do. and in the meantime, i'm campaigning heart, aaron. i'm raising money. i'm getting endorsements. i'm working with many political people, many grassroots organizations to win this race. it's in march. it's a jungle primary. the top two and in fact, we're raising money and we're putting our ground game together and we're going to win this campaign and that's what i'm really focused on. this is a people power campaign, speaking to the issues. of the majority of californians and what they believe is senator should should represent, and in fact that's what my focus is on and we're
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going to win this race. congressman lee i appreciate your time. thank you so much. thank you. alright and next, an unbelievable event in russia today. russian fighter jet bombing a russian city because we're getting new details tonight about a desperate attacked by putin to recruit more fighters for the frontline , plus trump racking up the endorsements in ron desantis zone state. some gop donors are now cooling to desantis and one long time republican donor will be out front tonight. and homeowners rushing to buy guns. a slew of armed property owners accused of attacking innocent people for honest mistakes. what a story of you'll see. first out front on the rush to arm okay? yes, it does it switch to liberty mutuaual and saved $652 customers. you can insurance so you only pay for what you need. with the money we saved. we thought we'd try like takina cycles. who careful, babe. sammy was definitely easier, babe, i think i got it. it's actually
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the bomb was dropped by one of its most advanced supersonic bombers, right, so this is they're not denying it right? it happened. it's on camera and tape and it happened and it landed and they admit it. the issue. 34 is one of putin's prized jets. that is the jet that dropped the bomb. and it is, of course, one that is front and center during the kremlin victory day parades and other events. so the fact that such a high tech piece of equipment could make such a mistake has russian commentators now reportedly questioning putin's war plan, urging the military to avoid such risky flights in the future. the backlash coming is russia is facing attention in its own ranks. here's general mark milley, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, speaking on that today russian black and leadership they lack will the morale is poor and the discipline is eroding. russia is expending significant manpower for very little game. and tonight, russia is going to new and extreme lengths to boost that manpower, according to an independent russian news outlet . putin's forces kidnapped a
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student from his apartment in moscow, according to his girlfriend, a group of unknown people broke into the 21 year old department handcuffed him, seized his passport and took him off to a military enlistment office, the young man's girlfriend, saying that he had a deferment from the army, but it had just expired. she hasn't spoken to her boyfriend and says he was quote scared that if he did not agree to join the army, he would go to prison. they put psychological pressure on him. and according to other reports, this is not a one off. these sorts of raids are taking place across moscow as the fighting continues across ukraine, which is where nick paton walsh begins our coverage outfront tonight and separation to studying the silence. and the violence punctuated. that's the job here in southern julia poll, where life in the ruins waits for ukraine's counter offensive to push the russians right out of their space. miller hasn't left since the war began and knows her artillery. which you the
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crystal money it's all they've had to do as they wait down here with only a radio. they say it brought their best news. yet this day learning the russians have bombed themselves by accident in belgorod. recently nina thinks she's noticed a change in the bangs. dream come soon. the city was. life naturalized right now. machine is now little choice. yours. someone nice transmission. it's also. drive out into the plains earlier this week, and the signs are there in the tracks in the bones that ukraine might be aiming south to cut crimea off from russia. it's quiet. then loud. because i'm good enough.
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with the russians firing from close by operators fly in gaps between electronic jamming. in these open fields here, each side trying to spot the other week and the other ahead of this counter offensive. one road is their target. the cars, the buildings, tiny changes and signs of weakness. are they getting ready for the counter offensive or just doing nothing? i would never do it, saperstein. this is the technical engineering. beats. yards from his head. a russian booby trap left behind. it's not clear if the russians they're facing now have similar experience. after 90 minutes, each drone parachutes down again soon
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replaced by another. fly spot shell and repeat. the waiting and watching will soon be over. now erin, it remains unclear exactly when this counter offensive may begin. there are indications has been drive around those areas of movement of vehicles of the potential for something to happen, but it's so unclear, but it's so vital for ukraine to seize this moment to regain yet more territory from the russians ahead of potentially another winter stalemate later on this year. so much nato weaponry headed their way and so many western expectations that it will be decisively used. so a lot riding on the days or weeks ahead, erin . all right. thank you very much nick from ukraine tonight, and i want to go now to retired air force colonel cedric leighton and steve hall, who is the former cia chief of russia operations. colonel, can i just start with that russian bombing of a russian city belgorod, right, and they're flying over belgorod every day when they're going to ukraine, right? and it is a big city and it's a russian
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city. 400,000 people live there. you're a former air force. pilot. what did you think when you heard about the russians dropping a bomb on their own city? well erin, to tell you the truth, i thought, how could you make a mistake like that? and it was really interesting to me because what they're doing is they're using russian territory , of course, is a standoff launched area to go and get into ukraine and target ukrainian targets. but this thing went horribly wrong if it wasn't a deliberate act. i the other thing that occurred to me is that it could potentially be a deliberate act because it actually the bomb actually impacted on a major road intersection in the middle of belgorod. so this is, you know, a key indicator that something is going terribly wrong with the way the russians are preparing themselves for this. can i just ask as a quick follow up there if they had done it on purpose like that? it was a purposeful act. for what? for what purpose? would be to sabotage the war effort to indicate that there's
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something wrong with the orders that they receiving, and they want to. in essence protesters if it is an act like that. it's pretty incredible. even contemplate that possibility, steve, i mean, you know, this is an s u 34 warplane, right? they brag about them all the time. rather very proud of this. they're incredibly proud of their air force right? that's the elite group. so what does this say about the reality. yeah i mean, if it said it is right about that. i mean, that would be fascinating because it would essentially mean you've got some sort of rebellion going on inside inside the russian military. there are other possibilities we have. we have seen reporting that the russians have been trying to get you know, microchips from wherever they can refrigerators. you know anything that's got a chip in it to make a smart bomb. yeah so you know they could have tried to do that, and it's simply failed. it could also be incompetence because we have seen some real difficulty in terms of the recruiting and training across the russian military, and it's possible you
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could have simply an incompetent pilot or or some other part of the military that that causes to happen. but i mean, it's amazing in belgorod. you they they were worrying about ukrainians, you know, attacking and now kids in those schools are having to duck and cover because of their own pilots. so that's it's just an amazing situation. i mean, it truly is. it's just down on the floor to try to even imagine this, um so, colonel, this is in the context right of the difficulty training and recruiting that steve just mentioned and those raids that i was telling everyone about a moment ago now in moscow, right, you know, and i know people who you know our friends there who talked about you know it's happening now when you go down to the subway right that they're they're looking for young men. but this story was of the 21 year old department rated handcuffed taken to a military enlistment office because his deferment had just expired. and then he joins, he says out of complete psychological pressure and we do understand this isn't the only time this is happening in other places in moscow again , and that is significant. the
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capital. what does this tell you about the truth about putin's army? well i think putin's army has become very much a hollow army and you know, his steve indicated with became, comes to the training part of this. i they need replacements quickly, and one way to get them is to draft as many people in essence impress as many people as possible into the russian army, and that's that's what we're seeing here. erin so, steve, another interesting thing happened today. okay and the wagner group head any precaution . he said that the son of peskov , right? who is rabbit? the kremlin spokesperson who has been incredibly close to putin over decades, right? that that his son pascal's son is in the wagner group served as a gunner . peskov has not responded to cnn's request for comment on this, but what would this say to you about the relationship between wagner group gagosian and putin if peskov son was indeed serving with wagner? yeah
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this is a fascinating story line, and it's sort of another chapter in the protrusion chronicles, if you will. so you got dmitry peskov. you know, very high ranking guy. we see him on television all the time, not usually saying anything of much of value, but we see him a lot. he's clearly close to the kremlin, and there have been questions about what's going to happen with his son who is of, you know, fighting age in russia, and he's been somewhat defensive about this. so now there's this precaution. comment that oh, yeah, he served in the wagner group. it's unclear as to whether or not production continues to see a political future for himself, you know, ascending inside of the criminal, perhaps even replacing some of the leaders there putin and is that why he's why he's trying to gain friends. like like, like peskov, uh, if so, i mean, it's an amazing breaking of the kremlin rules about how you how you play politics in that country. it's very dangerous thing, but it's so much of this is business meaning behind the scenes, it's difficult to see what progress it is up to with peskov on this particular story. amazing
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storyline, though, because you know, we know it's something. it's just so hard to tell exactly what thank you both so very much. i appreciate it. and next former president trump's presidential campaign picking up the support of a lot of florida lawmakers one by one. so what does this actually say about florida governor ron desantis potential presidential campaign top donor is next, and nearly half a million people caught up in a massive bank scandal, one that is robbed many of them of their life savings. it is a story you'll see first out front. how to grow more v vibrat flowers. ststep one. feed themm with miracle gro, shake and feed . that's it. miracle gro, you need to know to grow. this country has never been so divided. are you a licorice lover or hater? licorice .com have 50 plus gourmet flavors that you'll flip out over get some for yourself or a licorice
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congressman carlos jimenez just announced his support for donald trump for president. that makes him the 10th house republican in the state to back trump over desantis for 2024. we talked about this last night, there were nine. now there are 10 congresswoman laura lee is still the sole endorsement for desantis before his expected campaign launch. this is on the same day. a new poll from the wall street journal shows trump with twice the support against desantis among gop voters. for 2024 look at that. 48 versus 20. for some republican donors have now been taking notice. thomas peter fee who is a major gop donor, told the financial times and i quote him because of his stance on abortion and book banning myself and a bunch of friends are holding our powder dry. outfront now another longtime republican donor, dan, eberhard, and dan, i really appreciate your time. you know what's amazing about this is a few months ago, every republican donor was interested in desantis . a lot of them were doing anything you know, give as much money given to desantis right. they wanted to stand over trump. they thought he was some some
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savior. and certainly right now, things feel very different. do you think desantis his presidential campaign? peaked frankly, before it even launched . i don't erin, i think it's awful early and you look, this has been a bad week and perhaps a bad month for governor desantis, but i think we're still in this. you know, this is like trying to determine the winner of the season during spring training. i think we've got a long way to go. okay so let's talk about some of the issues here. i mean, i know obviously, you know, mr patrick, you mentioned abortion and book banning, but desantis is war with disney, right is at the heart of this too right? that's disney, speaking out against the law that restricts the teaching of sexuality and schools, and that specifically appears to have united his potential republican rivals for president . here they are. i just don't think it's not good for the for governor desantis. i don't think it's good for the republican party. this does not help the team and i just want the team to be able to win in november. 24th
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i don't think ron desantis is a conservative. based on his actions towards disney. i think he's wrong. i think it makes rightfully makes a lot of people question his judgment and his maturity. i don't believe that government should be punitive against private businesses because we disagree with them. that's the old republican principle of having restrained government. so that's three and i should be very clear here. donald trump also has come out against desantis on the disney issue. so where do you stand on this? are they all right? or is desantis right? well i'm actually a little bit in the middle. i think that trump are i think that governor desantis is right to stand up to disney, and i think he's trying to show that he's anti woke and his whole messaging where you know florida's were woke goes to die . but i also think you shouldn't be punitive towards business and he should have stopped probably halfway or two thirds through what he did with disney, and he should drop it and move on. how do you feel right now? overall as a donor? i mean, are you
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still as eager to look at desantis or are you in the camp like mr petter fee of holding your powder dry to wait and see if this is indeed? spring training moment or an indication of how the season will go. oh i'm very enthusiastic about governor desantis. i don't think he's begun to fight. i think he's still focused on the florida legislative session. and i think that, you know, look, if we picked winners now we have a president scott walker or president hillary clinton. i think there's an awful long way to go. i also if i could aaron, uh, can i talk about the endorsement that congressional endorsements for a minute? yeah. go ahead right now. 10 for trump and one for desantis. yeah, you know the media's portraying the stories kind of 10 to 1, but also look at that, as i think these congressmen are just trying to buy insurance against it against the trump endorsed primary opponent and i think that's what a lot of this is about. not necessarily that they think trump should be the next president, as they don't want trump supporting someone running against them in the primary in 2024. alright, well, that's an interesting motive and thank you for putting that out there on
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the north carolina man who allegedly shot a six year old girl and her parents after a basketball rolled into his yard , made his first court appearance. robert louis singletary surrendering to police in florida last night, ending a two day manhunt. he has the latest in a string of property owners accused of shooting innocent people for very mundane mistakes, like a ball rolling into a yard. or in kansas city. the 16 year old shot when he rang the wrong doorbell or new york or a 20 year old woman was killed after pulling into the wrong driveway as they were pulling out and in texas, two teenage cheerleaders wounded in a parking lot after they approached the wrong car. this comes as gun sales are surging, especially among first time gun owners. why miguel marquez investigates historial see first out front. meet jen. and shelby. why can't i get it? they don't want their last names
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used. they are friends, colleagues. gun enthusiasts. what gun or guns? you know, now i have a ruger and a rossi both rifles, both from long island, new york city adjacent, both professionals. jen has her permit but has yet to buy a handgun. and why do you want to buy a handgun? i've been wanting to buy one for years. i'm also someone that lives alone for a couple of years now, so probably for safety mostly, but i do enjoy coming to the ranges and shooting trying them out. seeing which one is the best fit for her. shelby like many americans , made the decision to arm up during the pandemic. do you feel safer? having a gun? i do. why because i'm not sure the chaos is over, and i just feel like a lot of people have guns, and it would be good to have a single female. i live on my own. and why not protect myself the number of both state and national instant criminal background checks check required
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before one can purchase a gun and a rough indicator. how many people are either purchasing or possibly being issued a gun permit. surged during the pandemic from under 30 million to nearly 40 million today. in states like new york officials say there's a backlog of gun permit applications with more applying every day. the licensing agencies are inundated with applications during covid. the applications quadrupled even in a state like new york, where gun ownership is highly regulated business at south shore sportsman never better. 40% of my clientele comes from new york city from new york city, the five boroughs. all five staten island to the bronx. and what are they buying handguns? if they have a license, like the gentleman that just left or, uh, shotguns. right by checking in the chamber. for many, the constant headlines about crime drives them to gun ownership brothers.
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it's the mass shootings in the fear of not having a gun. if everyone else does. what effect do all these shootings and major events have on your business? uh in the immediate aftermath and most states that would lead to an increase in sales because everybody looks at the news. and although that's a terrible event, they say the same thing. there's going to be a new law, so there's a rush to get into a rush to get the stuff that they think they're going to lose. it is amazing these stories and the people that they were open. they talked to you on camera. i know you did talk to a lot of people off camera. who told you a lot? they didn't want to go on camera. tell me about that. people are sensitive about talking about this because we are in new york city in this area, and a lot of people do buy guns from new york city there. um, we talk to people who in the medical field retirees, housewives are all gun owners, and it's not just the pandemic or concerns about crime that's driving gun sales. it's kind of a feedback loop, basically. the more they see violence, gun
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that started last april. several small banks in hunt and froze depositor funds impacting an estimated 400,000 customers, according to a state run magazine. some depositors myself included can no longer survive because all of our money is stored there. some people may commit suicide. some depositors may hurt others, everyone has a tipping point. this banking victim in beijing is a lawyer who is gathering depositors to sue the local authorities, he says. all they want is their money back, but instead they're being tracked, harassed or even worse. while the banks are now open for business, and estimated several 1000 still cannot access their money. authorities have ignored the victims relentless efforts to get answers over the past year. we're not revealing the identities of all the victims who spoke to us in order to protect their safety, this
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couple in shanghai said earlier this year, the government hired people to stake outside of their apartment for weeks. on march 4th right before china's biggest annual political meeting in beijing. they say their car was suddenly stopped on the streets of shanghai. they were driving to meet a relative and shot this encounter on the phone. get in her car. the man in the brown jacket demands no, she replies. many people have surrounded us. what are you trying to do? she asks. the couple, says the men, then through black cloth bags over their heads and drove them to an island. and outside of shanghai. we were locked up for 11 days. they illegally detained us and confiscated our bank cards, phones and wallets. i tried my best to cooperate with them. still they beat me, he said the authorities were paranoid. they might travel to beijing to demonstrate during the political meeting. the banks , regulators and local
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authorities have not responded to cnn's multiple attempts to contact them about these serious allegations. last summer, police violently crushed peaceful demonstrators demanding their money back. then, weeks later, authorities blamed the scandal on financial fraud, arrested hundreds of alleged suspects and promised to start paying depositors back. chinese media has reported that the government has the crisis under control. but as ignored the stories of these bank victims. meanwhile pro communist party social media influencers have been zeroing in on the bank failures in the u. s this one, says explosive news is facing a catastrophe. another said it might be the end of the u. s. if they fail to handle this well and state tabloid global times published this dramatic infographic. but the us government quickly stepped in to pay back the depositors in full . have you received any sympathy any response from the
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authorities? no i have not. the government's attitude is that as long as they have suppressed the people with problems, there is no need to pay back the money. it is completely different from how silicon valley bank was handled. ms depositor from zhejiang province went to the protests last summer and says he was beaten by the police can't get the money soon, then my children and i can only live on the streets. you have hope that you're going to get your money back. woman people like us have been robbed of money. we are treated like criminals. if my money cannot be withdrawn, only one option is left for me. which is death while in beijing. the lawyer says his relentless legal efforts may be their only hope. if you do, get the money back, what is your plan? the country with kids and parents because i want my children to grow up in a democratic, free and rule of law country. selena this is amazing . right? people wait a year and
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still can't get their money and you know from from your reporting. i understand. experts think this bank may just be the tip of the iceberg. and how big could this crisis really be? well, erin, one professor of chinese business told me that he estimates one third or one quarter of china's small banks are in trouble. but we may not know how this is spreading because the government is getting better at covering up in preventing these kinds of leaks . now, the root problem here is china's slowing economy and ballooning debt. a lot of these small banks relied on financial products tied to the real estate sector, so when the property bubble burst in china's economy slowed well, funds dried up, and experts say what we're seeing is beijing willing to oppress people rather than pay the remaining victims to tell the banking system. they cannot play fast and loose with money. aaron unbelievable. all right. thank you so much selena for that exclusive reporting from china, and thanks for joining us tonight, 3 60 begins now.
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