neighbors. he started shooting in a group of families after basketball rolled into his yard. six year old kinsley, white and her parents were wounded in the shooting. kinsley's mother said doctors had to remove a bullet fragments from her daughter's cheek. it's unclear when the suspect will be extradited back to north carolina. been a busy night of breaking news. the abortion medication ruling continues through the evening. have a great weekend. here's pamela brown and cnn prime time. anderson thank you so much busy friday night and tonight the most highly anticipated abortion ruling since roby wade was overturned, the supreme court has handed down the decision and women in america will continue to have access to a widely used pill to end early pregnancies and also used after miscarriages . that's a point. that's optimist, while appeals process plays out the conservative leaning high court that tossed out the constitutional right to an abortion has frozen lower court rulings that place restrictions on a drug called presto. that's a pill used in more than half of abortions in

the united states. justices alito and thomas publicly dissented. and again this battle it is not over yet. the next step in the litigation will be at the fifth circuit court of appeals on may 17th. but this tonight it's a big win for the biden administration after its emergency request to keep the fda approval of the drug with a federal judge blocked it. the president has issued a statement tonight saying, quote i continue to stand by fda as evidence based approval of mifepristone. the stakes could not be higher for women across america. i will continue to fight politically driven attacks on women's health. more now from cnn's paula raid, paula good evening, pamela will hear the supreme court has ensured that this commonly used abortion medication will remain widely available, while larger lawsuits about its fda approval work their way through the system. at the heart of this case, is this drug that you just mentioned per stone. it is one of two drugs that is used in medication

abortions, which account for more than half of all abortions in the united states. and last summer after the supreme court overturned the constitutional right to an abortion. medication abortion became a real focus, particularly in conservative state legislatures, and also in litigation. so just a few weeks ago we saw a judge in texas invalidate the fda approval of this drug that was, of course, appealed. it's pending at the fifth circuit court of appeals, but the supreme court needed to ultimately decide. all right. well what happened to that decision? what happens to the availability of this drug? while this issue works its way through the courts, and they have decided to just put that decision on hold while this goes forward. now the next step. the next step for this case will be the fifth circuit court of appeals where they have put this on an expedited schedule. pamela. whatever happens, there is likely to be appealed to the supreme court, so they are expected to probably have to weigh in on this again. whether

they will take up the case is still an open question. now, as you noted justices alito and thomas dissented, and in alito's justice alito's dissent. he even questioned whether the fda would even obey any sort of order that would force them to restrict their approval of this drug. saying specifically, the government has not dispelled legitimate doubts that it would even obey and unfavorable order in these cases, much less than it would choose to take enforcement actions to which it has strong objections to the next. the next move in this case will be oral arguments before the fifth circuit. those are scheduled for may. 17th yeah, that was an unusual descent and really interesting we're gonna talk about more of that. paula reed. thank you so much. let's bring in our team of cnn all stars. on this friday night, joan biskupic alley, cornish, dana bash, and elliot williams. joan kick it over to you first because you have closely covered the court for years. you know the justice is better than just about anyone. it's really interesting here. of course, as

we know this is a majority of conservative court in this case. two dissents five in favor to we don't know how they voted. what do you make of this? i think this demonstrates what a different case this was then what the justices did in june when they rolled back a half century of abortion rights. this case has to do with the authority of the fda to regulate and make its own scientific determinations for drugs. so i think the biden administration made a very compelling case for the chaos that would arise if the supreme court did not put these lower court orders and hold. secondly though, if you go back to the june decision in dobbs, the justices said, then specifically and even samuel alito wrote. the court was sending it back to the states and justice kavanaugh, who apparently provided the key fifth vote. made an effort in a separate statement to say we are specifically not outlawing

abortion, and we are not going to allow judges to impose their own policy and moral preferences here, and i think that if they were going to be true to their premise, they had to, at least at this preliminary point without any full briefing or oral arguments. say wait. let's just hold off here. just think of how this has burst so suddenly on the american scene, it's only been in the last few weeks when judge matthew king is merrick, the district court judge in amarilla suddenly rolled back all of the fda authorization from kristen. and two judges from the fifth circuit upheld that, so i think this was frankly, the sanest thing to do at this point. it doesn't say that the supreme court itself is never going to put some sort of restriction on what the fda can approve. but at this point, i do think this was the most out most likely outcome . so this isn't the final word on mythic kristen, and i think it's important with that as a

backdrop of what you just said. when you look at the descent here from justice elite. so he is trying to argue that this is going to happen really fast and it wouldn't really change anything. but that's not exactly true, right could have changed a lot. um and certainly you know what what joe has mentioned here when we talk about full briefing, that's actually quite important. it's very important point, which is that court really hasn't heard and seen briefs and papers from the parties on this matter really assessing the merits of the case, but they were just deciding here is whether to preserve the status quo while this matter works its way up through the courts. so what happens next number one. this goes to the fifth circuit court of appeals appellate court in norman's louisiana bell rule on it, and then i think it's pretty. it's a safe bet to say this is going to the supreme court and eventually they will roll on it, too. now look to take justice alito at his word. perhaps the court will work quite quickly on this, given how important it is. how important is too many people? and it gets in around the country. another point to mention before we move

on. is that because of the fact that there's other litigation in washington state right now that touches on this issue access to medford christen it sort of puts it on a fast track to the supreme court. really the supreme court doesn't ever have to hear a case doesn't have to have to have to resolve anything . and one of the surest bets for one of supreme court will take a case on is when there's a dispute across the country as the law so perhaps the washington case makes its way up. this is not the final award, but no one knows for sure how quick right and we know how the courts want to reinforce it. this is this is the new chapter of the abortion dilemma in america. it's over medication. abortion yeah, that's exactly what we're going to start seeing because there are several cases percolating out there. on this, and the reason is because the women in america and pregnancies today. the they their main method is medication abortion as opposed to surgical abortions, and especially in the states,

where it's still legal. this has become more important in the wake of the dobbs just note for our viewers, and i said in the open, it's also for miscarriages. you know people who they were pregnant. the pregnancy wasn't viable, and this was the route they wanted to take and the comfort of their own home. and so it's not just about abortion. it's for women with miscarriages, and it's interesting. i was speaking to a representative nancy mace last night, audie. you were there, part of the conversation and we talked about abortion. here's what she said regarding her party when it comes to this issue. that is not where the american people are, and we need to have a conversation is where are we? and where are where is the middle ground? and she reiterated that last night when we were talking, but what do you think about that? do you think more in the gop will follow suit? it was interesting that she, of all people were on the panel answering this question, because tim scott, who is from her state, someone that she knows and who is trying to run for president literally just got

tripped up on this question. just a few days ago, where he was asked point blank, should there be further restrictions on abortion access, and he was sort of fumbling around a little trying to give an answer that would work for both the primary and general elections. so i think that this is going to, as you said, continue. with the concerns about medication and also travel and travel restrictions. states that will try and put things in effect to prevent people from moving across borders where it is legal , and all of this is a conversation that's going to go on before the voters where they're actually going to start to see both enforcement mechanisms as well as new policies pass right as they're kind of heading into election season and decide if that's the sort of regulatory regime they want to live under, um, when it comes to abortion access, and it's interesting you make that point. just choosing the words carefully and how tim scott started tripping over because he knows how this issue has galvanized democrats across the country. you had the election recently, and, um, wisconsin

supreme court the election of the liberal candidate there. do you think this? how do you think that this um, tonight. this ruling and also this case moving forward. these cases we should say will impact that energy. well this case tonight the ruling tonight definitely was eliciting a very big side of relief from republicans. you probably couldn't hear it because it was very quiet, very private. but it was definitely there. um it is true that this is definitely not the end of this discussion. it's not. the end of the road is, as elliot and joan have described. but what is also true is what you said audie that it's not just tim scott. but other republicans who are trying to find a way to bridge what they think that they need to do for the gop primary electorate. and the potentially for a general electorate on this issue. i can't think of one that

is more desperate in terms of how it plays and we don't need to sort of hypothesize on this. we have seen it. we saw it in 2022 in the midterms. and like you said, pam, we just saw it a couple of weeks ago and wisconsin and it is galvanizing , not just the democratic base. but it is also, um sort of repelling if it is on the ballot, and it really is a important issue or determinative issue in a state. uh it actually could pull independents and even some republicans away from the gop candidate. wow so interesting. we're gonna continue to follow this. joan. thank you so much. everyone else stand by a lot more to discuss tonight. it turns out trump allies weren't just trying to overturn the 2020 presidential election in georgia. newly obtained text messages show they also tried to decertify the states to senate runoff, and this was after january, 6th. we're going to show you those texts and a cnn exclusive right

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working on the team around donald trump won had been hired by sidney powell, and they were trying to find election fraud that just didn't exist. they were talking about data on voting machines in this rural county in georgia, where people outside the government had gotten access to the private information of the vote. and then even after january 6th that right in the capital in washington trump supporters in georgia were still talking about that data trying to decertify georgia's next vote for its next senator. remember the state was the one that helped flip the senate from republican control to the democrats in 2020. so the one man in these text messages, jim penrose, he writes, here's the plan. let's keep this close hold. we only have until saturd to decide if we are going to use this report to try to decertify the senate runoff election, or if we hold it for a bigger moment, maybe something like a lawsuit contesting the election, potentially, and we know these texts are now in the hands of the fulton county

district attorney. finally willis that her team is looking at many possible charges related to the 2020 election. we don't know exactly how this fits into the investigation, but among many things for office has been investigating the breach of the voter system. the data that was attained by trump connected people in this county in georgia. alright we're gonna talk about that. but there were panel katelyn polantz thanks so much. cnn's phil mattingly joins us at the table fill. we just saw caitlin laid out there these texts they were sent on january 19th 2021 again worth emphasizing this was after january six. what is it say to you that these efforts were still going on even after the capital was attacked just how dangerous it was, and just how close we were, and i feel like both of those things have been kind of washed over over the course of the last two plus years, the individual who was driving it. and was the president of united states at the time is currently the front runner in 2024 by a pretty large

margin and the two things that strike me one the story that zach cohen wrote here if you track through the entire story, the full scale of the pervasive nature on multiple states from the same group that was tied to the trump campaign. uh, i think it's known and yet when you see it all put together again, even this far into it, you think? oh my goodness. this was so close in so many different states that if a couple of cases had gone the wrong way, or a couple of public officials had gone the wrong way that this could have been completely catastrophic for the country. the other thing i can't stop thinking about is the republican lawmakers i talked to on january 7th. in the capital, who said one they were done with now former president trump and to once they were done with him, everyone would just move on right. he would be in the past, you'd be history and we would move back to where the us used to be, neither of which were accurate, and i often wonder how those republicans feel now, as they watch this play out in

terms of his candidacy. and think back to that moment or stories like the zakone story. meanwhile he's gaining more and more endorsements by the day. he is the front runner. as you point out audio. it makes you wonder given this and given these efforts even after january 6th. i just keep repeating that because it's mind boggling. what would happen if it's another close race or if trump loses again? what does this foreshadow ? that sounds like a rhetorical question about your crystal ball like i'm not yelling at that. yeah, yeah. just say that this georgia is the place to watch. this is the case to watch. obviously the new york case in the indictment, there is very important. it's about the idea of, you know, colluding with a media organization to suppress information that you don't want out there and to possibly harm your rivals in the process that there's a greater issue to that other than bribery of stormy daniels with this, this is actually about trying to disrupt the electoral process on this level, and these texts speak to the kind of ongoing schemes we were hearing about that came out

of the january 6th testimony, including this idea at 1.2. hey maybe we should have the military jump in and some way there were lots of kind of cockamamie things flying around about what could be done and this is one of them, and i don't think it's an accident that we're kind of hearing a about this as that case is moving forward and moving forward. i think pretty intensely. what do you think? yeah every i think i was as phil was talking and i was. i was thinking the same thing to myself like it if you transport yourself back to where we were january 6th, obviously january 7th even you know, the day after that, it seemed as though every republican. certainly privately, even if they weren't doing as much publicly, right. we're like, okay, finally, like, almost almost like a ding dong, the witch is dead kind of thing from from the wizard of oz. those were their speeches during impeachment. yeah, yeah, this is over. he's gone. don't worry

about it, and this is just another bit of evidence of data . this this fantastic reporting from zach cohen. about the fact that they just did not give up and donald trump when it comes to what he wants to do in the future versus what he did in the past is he's a runaway train, and there's with regard to the republican party and there's nothing that can do to stop him now because they didn't really try to stop him then, but that's why i mean, that's why i asked the question and i understand why you don't want to answer but you can't just look at this as this was in the past. that was really scary. we got awfully close and to be clear in a way. we're not saying that i mean in georgia, they were able to get to compel. well some lawmakers to testify who are fighting it right. they were fighting having to testify. we're talking about lindsey graham, etcetera, so the issue is that we are going to learn more fairly quickly about

what else was going on, and perhaps people will feel the heat in a way that they didnt before when they could kind of just tell the january 6th committee. no we don't think we're going to do that. and this is really partisan. because now i mean judges like people, and you know the legal processes involved in the threshold is higher. and if they get over that rachel, then that means there's something to see. and i think we're going to see it soon. that is the big question because the fulton county district attorney fani willis said. we're going to see it soon. in january, she said. decision is imminent. here we are months later. still no decision. what do you make of that? elliott takes a while to figure out how to charge people and to build cases. and so i think, in the 24 hour news cycle world yes, it's a long time in the prosecutor world, it really isn't imminent, imminent next year that's imminent. you're on cable me, father for i have sinned. oh, look what happened to alvin bragg. i think the lesson is like it better be airtight out of the gate or else

you're just going to be hearing this. you know the incoming that is going to happen and the criticism once the former president turns on that spigot is relentless about these revelations today is that there's this talk about how she's building a racketeering case. and maybe when we talk about racketeering, you're talking about an umbrella for a group of criminal acts brought together and perhaps you, the goal may be to try to fold this conduct the senate election conduct into a bigger racketeering case against the former president and his allies and woo hoo boy. text messages are good evidence. you can verify them. you usually have two people, one person on each end. you know who sent it? you know where it came from. it's just better than most things you get in court for her specialty and racketeering. so alright, everyone. standby. thanks so much. i need twist tonight in the investigations involving the president's son, hunter biden find out who his lawyers are set to meet, plus more on our breaking news tonight, the supreme court protecting access to an abortion pill in a major win for the biden

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proud to 654654 ask about the bosley guarantee texting crowd 654654 solomon in new york, and this is cnn. an investigation into the president's son is getting more intense tonight. multiple sources tell cnn that hunter biden's lawyers are set to meet with justice department officials next week. the probe centers around potential tax crimes and a gun purchase from 2018. paula reed is back with us now. so this is exclusive reporting from you, paula. what more can you tell us? that's right, well, it's exclusive reporting for me and our whole team, which includes caress canal ceremony, murray and elena train. but this is interesting because this meeting was actually requested by hunter biden's legal team. they're looking for an update on this

case and in attendance. we expect to see a top career justice department official and the trump appointed u. s attorney who stayed on after former president trump left office to continue to oversee this investigation panel is not clear if we're going to get any update on the status of this case, as this meeting comes amid a lot of questions about exactly what is going on with the current law. long long running investigation into the president's son. this investigation has been going on since 2018 and last summer. cnn was the first to report that the case had pretty much narrowed down to some potential charges, including a few tax crimes and possibly one full statements charge connected to a gun that biden had purchased. but there haven't been any public developments in this case for the past year. the past few months, especially as this case is kind of gone dark and republicans took over the house . you've seen the hunter biden legal team, taking a much more aggressive, forward leaning

approach. they've been much more litigious. for example, here there are also leaning in requesting an update, but now they have a whole. another problem on their hands as an irs agent, has sent a letter to congress, saying that he has information that this whole thing has been mishandled. how does that fit into all of this? do we have any indication that that is why this meeting was set up? what's going on here? so based on our reporting this meeting was requested several weeks back before we certainly knew, or they knew about this whistleblower, but this could potentially depending on what this individual can actually show. this could be a real headache for the biden legal team and potentially the justice department. we know from a letter sent to congress and our sources that this individual says that they have evidence that this case has been mishandled that there has been political interference, and they say they even potentially have evidence that the attorney general was not honest when he testified before congress that there would be no political interference. pamela i want to caution this person has not been

granted whistleblower status or whistleblower protections. they have not presented any evidence so far to support these claims. and as we've seen, there have been a big claims about whistleblowers connected to the biden family and others that have not really yielded what was promised. but we'll continue to watch and report out exactly what it is this person claims and how they're going to support it, because again, it could have right? what what is the evidence to support the claims? hopefully we'll find out paula reed. thank you so much back with our panel now. so you just heard paula elliott layout. this has been going on since 2018. it's been it's been a while. why do you think it is taking this long on these potential tax evasion and gun charges? if that's all it is, is our reporting indicates, and what do you make of this outreach for the meeting? my guess is that the outreach for the meeting is that hunter biden and his team want to have an opportunity to influence the justice department. it's not uncommon for people who are under investigation to come in and try to explain themselves

and say, well, look here. here's extra evidence and paperwork you may not have available to you. here's what i was thinking at the time, which is going to be a critical element of what the adjustment would have to prove. they have to prove his intent. and if he can make a case for saying no, no, no, i did not have criminal intent here. here's i was actually doing something legitimate, you know, it might be in his interest to do that. so that's probably what you're seeing here. maybe it works. maybe it doesn't but it's not uncommon at all for people under investigation to meet with the justice department, but are you surprised it's five years on and a little bit because, you know, look, if it isn't fact a misdemeanor or, you know, not very serious. when we firearm charge attack starts. that shouldn't be that hard to build . you know, it's a couple of pieces of evidence in a couple elements of the offense. it's just not that hard. you're not talking about what we were the last hour earlier few minutes ago racketeering or something like that. it's relatively straightforward, so i don't know if it's a political influence thing. i don't know if new evidence emerged from a seashell in the ocean. i don't know. and we'll just have to see what

emerges. we don't know everything and the key point about you making clear that it's five years on paula mentioned this as well is that this is a trump us attorney holdover intentionally, so the biden ministrations made sure that the u. s attorney in delaware, which is one, the one overseeing investigating the case was kept on from the trump years in order to try to separate itself from, you know, basically recuse itself from the from the investigation without actually appointing a special counsel right? it knew what the optics would be if they brought in the u. s attorney who was appointed by biden, obviously, but the reality is that this investigation is going on at doj the republicans on the hill. they have their own investigation going on, and they asked congressman james comer. he is a republican chair of the oversight committee about what they found now two months into their investigation of hunter biden. here's what he said. you

have been investigating members of joe biden's family and their business with the bidens. have you found anything illegal while he was actually in office found a lot that's certainly unethical . we found a lot that should be illegal. so, he said. we found a lot that should be illegal. what does that tell you about what they're really after here where they are? we didn't answer your questions, right? so he didn't say yes, we have it and you'll be seeing it shortly. and you know part of the job. i think of partisans in particular on an issue like this is to raise questions, and i think that that's going to overshadow any actual kind of legal ramifications is this effort that is just deeply tied to, um the president and the dislike of the president and his family and the belief that there are corrupt and that has to be kind of played out in public, and i think congressional hearings is where you're going to get the most bang for your buck it.

water has raised questions, difficulty there, and i think this has been kind of what heading into the new congress. i really wanted to watch and what's been kind of fascinating to watch. play out behind the scenes is you can raise all the questions you want. you can make all promises you want on the campaign trail running an investigation. even if you have supreme power is hard. it takes real work. it takes real personnel. it takes real talent on the personal side of things to actually build these things and put them together, particularly when you've said unequivocally and explicitly on the campaign trail that this happened now that's your bar. that's what you're trying to meet. you can raise all the questions you want. you can definitely have hearings. i think that's kind of the moment that they want to have but in terms of turning over evidence in terms of finding things, whether it's evidence of criminality or evidence of using influence or using the former vice president, now president to garner influence that takes real work and doing that on a committee level, and we all know committee aides that have worked on investigations and they're very talented ones are very well known. they're all in private practice now making a lot of

money as well. but it takes time to and i think watching the dynamic of we made all these promises. we also need a lot of time. how do we find this middle ground? you say in that middle ground that's where we sit right? nothing right. but it's like the big question is do they ever find something, but also do they ever have the capacity and capability on the staff side build something to be able to find something big challenge here is that congress isn't really subject to a lot of rules over what they can and can't do in an investigation. really what it comes down to is do they have the public on their side or a segment of the public that they are hoping to appeal to carrying out an investigation? as long as they have that, for the most part, they can kind of do anything in criminal congressional and they are today, right? they sent this letter from the judiciary. and intelligence committee on the house to secretary blinken asking him what his role was and crafting that letter that said that cast doubt on the hunter biden laptop worth, noting he wasn't in the administration of the time. others weren't administration, but it's all in

an effort right to try to keep the intriguing raised the questions right which, as we know is important when you have an incumbent who looks like he might be declaring it. he's going to run for re election that's coming up in a couple of days. so this is not an issue that anyone wants to let go of who especially as a critic of the bidens. alright, everyone standby back now to that breaking news on the supreme court decision on abortion pill used by millions of women in america. justice is protected access to mifepristone. for now , while the legal battle continues to play out, and it appeals courts joining us now is cnn's senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen, elizabeth. we have talked about the legal and the political impact here. what about the medical part? pam i think we can hear the size of obstetricians and gynecologists all over the country, saying good i can keep using this drug for my patients who need abortions or who are having miscarriages. let's talk

a little bit about the two drugs . so kristen is the drug where if the texas federal judge had had his way that would not be available method, kristen in my surprise, rasta are used together for abortions and miscarriages, and there's a reason why they're used to together, they work. best together if mr preston had been taken off the table all over the country, then doctors would have had to use my surprise hostel in states where abortions allowed by itself. it is not as effective and it is does not work as well and it also can have some real complications and side effects. so remember this would have been very important because 53% of abortions in this country are medication abortions. they're done with pills, not with surgery, so taking that drug off the market would have acted many, many, many women and men for kristen is a very safe drug. it's been used for 20 years, and it has a great safety profile. in fact, there are drugs on the market

that are much more dangerous. penicillin viagra two very common drugs, they have more deadly side effects than mifepristone does. so this ruling basically says you know what doctors you can keep doing what you were doing. these are, of course, doctors in states that allow abortion you can keep doing what you were doing, having spoken to many of those doctors over the past two weeks . they are certainly relieved by this ruling, pam. all right. elizabeth cohen. thanks so much up next russian warplane accidentally bombs one of its own cities, a city of 400,000 people, plus republicans in texas, one step closer to injecting religion and public schools with a new bill that would require the 10 commandments to hang in. every classroom will be right. when you stay at a verb. oh, you always get the whole home. not part of it, but the whole upstairs downstairs. the whole fridge and the whole secret nap

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even a supreme court case out of washington state that makes them feel confident that any legal criticism here that this these bills could pass any legal scrutiny. i want you to listen to what he said during a senate committee hearing about this being the right moment for such a bill. i think this would be a good healthy step for texas to bring back this tradition of recognizing america's religious heritage. senate bill 15 15 restores a little bit of those liberties that were lost and, most importantly, reminds students will remind students all across texas of the importance of a fundamental foundation of america and texas law and that being the 10 commandments and let's take a look at some of the language from the bill itself. part of it calls for a typeface that can be seen eligible to a person with average vision from anywhere in the classroom, and it also has

to be 16 by 20. and i actually brought up piece of board here to show you exactly what 16 by 20 approximately looks like so imagine the 10 commandments on a board like this in every class. there was an opponent speaking in that committee hearing from a baptist organization talking about the role of parental rights that he feels that his kindergarten daughter shouldn't have to go into the classroom and read about adultery or coveting one's wife. he said that really the role of the parents and the church are the people who should educate children on faith and not the role of the state. but like you said this did pass the state senate. now it's in the hands of the texas house, pamela alright . love the prop. thanks to tasha chen appreciate it really does help visualize what this would look like. right elliot? so give us the legal analysis of this. i mean, obviously you have the first amendment of the constitution, right? so to be separating church and state, do you think that this passes constitutional muster based on

what was described here? it doesn't sound like it. now look, let's go back to the constitution. first amendment says congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion. right so where this where the state or public school or a charter school is the one pushing religion that's going to run afoul of the constitution. now it becomes a little bit different, and that washington case he's talking about was a coach praying at football games , but he was seen as a private citizen, not the school, forcing kids to pray. the problem here. what it sounds like they're describing is putting the 10 commandments in but not contextualizing it and saying, well, look, here's the code of hammurabi and here's the 10 commandments. and here's the u. s constitution as a series of legal documents over the history of humankind. this is saying no. people should be christian, and therefore kids in school should learn to be christians or judeo christians, and that on its face is problematic. under the constitution. i was really struck by something that natasha just reported on. a baptist minister argued against. it is interesting because of parental

rights, and here we are in a political environment where you're having all of these, uh these debates is even within the republican party about parental rights, and so. for the most part you're talking about, um the argument being for parental rights, saying, keep everything out of the schools and that parents should decide. in this case, it's the opposite. i don't know. why would we would expect total and complete consistency and i don't know why. we're surprised by some hypocrisy and contradiction. but the fact that you had a baptist minister make that argument is very interesting because initially when she brought up a baptist minister, you might think that that baptist minister was in favor of it. but that's not the case. there's long been a role of there's long been a voice clerical voice out there that has said we actually do approve of the way the constitution deals with of the church and

state because we don't want the state interfering in what we do. we don't want to state religion imposed on us. that is not our own. i think the reason why that washington case kind of nudged open a door that religious liberty folks are really excited about is because this coach was on the field trying to draw people into the prayer. the school was saying, hey, you're working for us while you're doing this on the field, and basically the high court said look, just because it's on the field doesn't mean it's a problem and it's not your job to go around and monitor and try and suppress. expressions of religion, so they did see that as a victory. they do see a door opening, and you're right that there's the venn diagram of religious liberty and parents, right? that's a circle, so those same people are going to have to have a debate amongst themselves , which i suspect will rest on. what do we think is the more what do we think will be the more successful legal argument to push our ideas? forward in the culture because that's the goal right to kind of sees more cultural ground back from, uh,

liberal or wokeness, or their perception that something has been kind of taken from them in the mainstream american culture , one more thing and part of the legal argument that they're pushing here is that the fundamental foundations of american thought and law our judeo christian. therefore it's not actually an establishment of religion to put the 10 commandments somewhere because everybody everything in america. is based on the 10 commandments. that's really a stretch, even setting aside what the founders and the fact that they were christian and so on. it's really a stretch to say that if you simply put a religious relic or a religious symbol in a classroom and don't contextualize it at all that all you're doing is just it's just reaffirming who we are. depends on who does it if it's state mandated. well, then you're back in the column that is dangerous. i also think it's interesting. we're seeing this in several fronts. and i think your point about trying culturally to take things back or to try and reestablish. um you have a supreme court that is opening doors. or giving people the idea of let's try. let's try. you know, they're citing the washington case, which isn't

necessarily analogous, but they feel like a door's open. let's try and let's see what happens and i think, given the makeup of the supreme court and the direction they've been particularly religious issue, religious liberty issues, you can't necessarily predict how anything is going to land what they saw with the abortion battle. of course, that is now a model for a kind of bit by bit to legal push until you can get the result you're looking for have to see what happens on that front. i do want to ask you, audie while we have you about guns and country music because you actually had a big interview on your podcast. as we know guns and country music. they are deeply ingrained right and southern culture this week more than 60 artists signed this letter asking tennessee's governor and lawmakers. to pass gun control laws. country music hall of fame artist catch, seek or signed that letter, and you recently spoke to him on your podcast. i'm going to listen to that. and then we'll talk on the other end. we don't talk about guns. if we do, it's a song about i took my boy hunting for

the first time. it's again dealing in the nostalgia. what it's not saying is i've got an a r 15 in my collection. but the reality is that many many listeners do and yet it's a safe space where they are not confronted by the music to a changing reality. what did you make of what he had to say? i mean, it's an intriguing moment because nashville by design is conservative. period right and by that, i mean, it's not encouraged to speak out. johnny cash found this out. the dixie chicks found this out. they don't like it when you get political, and there is a real grip in that music of radio programmers or music publishers who can kind of clamp down in a way, and what he's saying is that there could there is a duty for cultural figures. who have an influence with an audience as he says, an audience that, um, that embraces gun culture that may own the kind of weapons that people are talking about banning

that they have a duty to not shy away from this conversation completely. um and the trick is , can you actually get those artists who speak up without them being so fearful of the consequences that they kind of backed down and scatter? remember with the las vegas shooting when there was a big mass shooting? that was the country music? concert right and it did not spark a movement out of that genre and from those artists, but nashville is their home. um many physically but also kind of spiritually and i actually since we spoke, that letter came out and i'm starting to wonder now, if there's being if a real movement and nascent movement is starting to kind of poke its head up, all right, thank you all so much for giving up your friday nights