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tonight, we're getting our first glimpse of just how dangerously close to collapse first republic bank has come. the bank revealing that customers pulled more than $100 billion in deposits during the crisis. that's a 41% drop. it is a staggering number. the revelations coming during the bank's highly anticipated and incredibly choreographed investor call. they plan to cut the workforce and lay people off. and they didn't take any reporter questions. thanks for joining us. thanks for joining us. it's time now for "ac 360." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com new details about the
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removal of tucker carlson from fox news. fox made the announcement six days after the company settled with dominion voting systems for more than three-quarters of a billion dollars. carlson would've likely to testify were at odds with what it its stars were saying. he texted other staffers that he passionately hated former president donald trump and that his tenure in the white house was, quote, disaster. he his text messages after the election released by dominion's attorneys also showed carlson disparaging fox leadership. whether his sudden departure actually connected to the dominion case or other lawsuits facing fox for other reasons is a topic we'll get into. they have agreed to part ways and thanked him for his service
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and said his last show was this past friday. joined now by our senior media reporter oliver darcy. do we know exactly why he was ousted? >> i would imagine that you can't disconnect this from that big dominion suit. even though tucker carlson wasn't a focal point of the suit, he was set to be one of the first witnesses that was going to testify in the case. and there were a lot of disparaging remarks that he did make about his colleagues including fox news' leadership and fox leadership that came out. he used a lot of -- he was very critical about the people running fox. i think that may have played a role. there's also that pending lawsuit now from his ex-booker abby grossberg who alleged rampant sexism, anti-semitic behavior that was running wild on his show. and then he's also got this legal notice from ray epps who he made part of a central january 6th conspiracy theory on
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his program. so, there's all this litigation that's got carlson's name over it. and you have the dominion lawsuit. and, so, it seems that fox, at some point, just said enough is enough, we're going to fire him from the network. and so we know now that lachlan murder, the fox corporation cnn, as well as susan scott, the fox new ceo, they made a new decision to let him go. they put out that short statement. i should note, too, we haven't heard a word from carlson since this all went down. carlson is not answering me or anyone else. he's totally silent. >> so there's been no comment from him. is he paid out of his contract? >> i assume he's going to be paid out of this contract. "the journal" reports that he was making upwards of $20 million a year, the "wall street journal," of course, owned by rupert murdoch. >> were there any signs that this was in the works?
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>> i think this caught everyone off guard. no one was really expecting that tucker carlson would lose his 8:00 p.m. perch. he was the highest-rated host over at fox news. and he seems untouchable. he seemed invincible. he often touted that on the show. he would do things that other hosts would simply not do. and that's because he seemed to have and enjoyed the backing of lachlan murdoch and rupert murdoch. he would promote conspiracy theories about covid, january 6th. they really backed him through all of this. and, so, to see him now lose that is -- >> if it was about text messages about disparaging the leadership at fox, that would be kind of stunning if that's what it was that got him booted as opposed to many of the things he said on air. but we may never know the full details. shortly after carlson's ouster was announced, the head
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of the antidefamation league tweeted this. quote, it's about time for far too long tucker carlson has used his prime time show to spew anti-semitic and racist and xenophobic comments. our >> reporter: tucker carlson is a broadcasting instigator. >> the outcome of presidential election was seized from the h hands of voters. >> reporter: the insurrection. >> these were not insurrectionists, they were sightseers. i'm more worried about the rest of the country which is like boarded up. so that's more my concern. >> reporter: and even regarding the green m & m candy no longer wearing go-go boots. >> m & ms will not be satisfied until every last cartoon
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character is deeply unappealing and totally androgenous. >> reporter: 53-year-old tucker carlson has worked at cnn, msnbc. but he was a leader of the modern conspiracy movement. carlson told his viewers this right after the 2020 presidential election. >> what happened last night could not have been worse for this country, for our children, for our grandchildren, for our future. >> reporter: and as donald trump continued to beat his drum of lies -- >> this is a fraud on the american public. so we'll be going to the u.s. supreme court. >> reporter: carlson continued to enable him. >> 72 million voters believe this election was fundamentally unfair and they're right about that. >> reporter: but behind trump's back, tucker carlson was blasting him, contradicting what he was saying on his tv show. according to private text messages released as part of dominion voting systems lawsuit against fox carlson said this to co-workers. trump needs to concede. there wasn't enough fraud to
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change the outcome. he's starting to do real damage to the party. and we are very, very close to being able to ignore trump most nights. i truly can't wait. and two days before the january 6th insurrection he wrote, i hate him passionately. i can't handle much more of this. carlson became a vocal proponent of those who thought immigrants had been coming to the united states to ethnically and culturally replace white people, a racist conspiracy known as the great replacement theory. >> jews will not replace us! >> reporter: which was illustrated in horrific fashion in charlottesville, virginia. >> this is a voting rights question. i have less political power because they're importing a brand new electorate. why should i sit back and take that? >> reporter: and then there's the insurrection. this carlson lie is still trotted out by conspiracy theorists. >> fbi operatives were organizing the attack on the
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capitol on january 6th, according to government documents. >> reporter: carlson ended up getting sole access to thousands of hours of january 6th capitol security videotape from speaker of the house kevin mccarthy, which carlson selectively sanitized, angering many, including republicans. >> i think it was an attack on the capitol. >> i thought it was an insurrection at that time. i still think it's an insurrection today. >> reporter: and recently this carlson take on the culture wars through a racist prism. he said this about tennessee state representative justin pearson, who was expelled from office but then got his job back. >> justin pearson wasn't white, that's probably how he got in the first place, but he did an impression of it. what a nice young man. >> reporter: and there was this about transgender rights. >> transgenderists do not believe in the god of monotheism. they believe they themselves are god with the power to control nature. and if you think about it, this should be a concern because it's
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a recipe for extremism. >> reporter: extreme is what many believe tucker carlson has become. but at least for now, his powerful megaphone is gone. gary tuchman, cnn, new york. >> i'm joined by cnn political commentator paul begala who used to work with tucker carlson here on cnn when they co-hosted "crossfire" which many eons ago. what do you make of what happened and how does this square with the person you worked with on "crossfire." >> in fact you used to do the news cut ins when we were hostig 20 years ago. we were about one topic, the iraq war. tucker was for it, i was against it. he doesn't have those views anymore, the neoconservative foreign policy. he doesn't even want to send weapons to ukraine to oppose putin but he wanted to send
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troops to iraq to oppose saddam. domestically he seemed to be a libertarian then. he doesn't seem at all to be a libertarian now. gary just covered chapter and verse of the things he says at fox. he's a really, really different perpen person. we got along fine. unfailingly polite. the piece that resonated with me was trashing management. he is a guy who does not like management. he does not like being bossed or edited or corrected or supervised. and he certainly made comments, he didn't much like the management when he was here at cnn. i haven't talked to him of course in years, but i suspect he's not -- that that reporting is probably very accurate, that he was trashing fox executives. >> do you have any sense of what the change was? you know, there was a time when he was arguing, i think, early on with the daily caller, there was a speech he made where he was talking about trying to
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build like a "new york times" for the right and factually correct and audience members started booing him. i was reading about this in "the new yorker" a while back. do you think he just read the tea leaves, where the republican party was going, and decided he wanted a bigger paycheck and he jumped to the head of the -- to the head of the pack by being the most outrageous? >> i don't know. i don't know. did he do it for the money, which was spectacular money? or did he really change and believe that? >> because i mean what he said what he believed about trump was clearly not what he actually believed, if you look at the text messages he was sending. he just did a fawning interview with donald trump, a man he clearly is still pretending he likes because it's like a lot of these guys who -- you know, there were a number of television and radio people who were never trumpers.
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and supported ted cruz and others. and finally saw the writing on the wall and that suddenly had a come to -- come to maga movement moment. >> i think a lot of conservatives, he backed into it. he understood trump was appalling to his own sense of values. but trump had all the right enemies, i think, for tucker. tucker was not pro trump at first, he was anti-anti-trump. so it was very easy for him to say i can't stand nancy pelosi or hillary clinton, can't stand the media. so they opposed trump. and so i'm going to attack them. but he clearly did have a -- tucker would have used the word throne sniffing interview with mr. trump the other day. that was a phrase he liked to use. >> do the remaining hosts at fox, there's no incentive to tone down their own rhetoric, is
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there? >> no. they're not going to change. i think right-wing media has been about the overton window. what was unacceptable 20 years ago, tucker didn't say any of those things when i worked with him at "crossfire," it's now mainstream conservative media and it's only to get more. here's how we would know fox has changed. fox has changed if they replace tucker with an undocumented mexican imimmigrant. >> i can't imagine maria bartiromo is sleeping well tonight. if you're willing to let go of tucker carlson with his ratings, why wouldn't they jettison her? >> that's a good point. they have taught everybody that you can fire your biggest star and do fine. they fired bill o'reilly and glenn beck. tucker got his job because he fired o'reilly. what it doesn't do at fox is moderate. it's not like they are pivoting toward the truth. we know from the dominion
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lawsuit that many of them knew they were lying and didn't care. so i mean i'm not expecting any change at fox news. i'll be very surprised if there's any moderation there. >> there was also news that hit close to home. cnn co-anchor don lemon is no longer with this network. an email to staff said in part cnn and don have parted ways. don will forever be a part of the cnn family and we thank him for his contributions over the past 17 years. we wish him well and will be cheering hill on in his future endeavors. still to come tonight, ahead of president biden's expected announcement tomorrow, it looks very possible that the 2024 election might be a rematch between him and former president trump. so how do americans feel about that? our harry enten looks at the numbers in a moment. governor ron desantis goes overseas and still can't escape questions about his polling. >> governor, polls show you falling behind trump. >> i'm not a candidate, so we'll see if and when that changes. (crashing sound)
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doesn't exist, he would be down by six points. if he was facing off against ron desantis, who is mostly unknown nationally, not too hard feelings about him, he'd be down by three points. but if you face him off against the former president, donald trump, all of a sudden joe biden is up by three points. so if i'm in the white house right now, i'm hoping and praying that donald trump is the republican nominee because by far joe biden is strongest against him. >> what about favorability ratings for biden and trump. >> i'm somebody who likes to go in the spreadsheets and study history, you know this. >> sure. >> and so i went back and looked, is there any case in which the two leading candidates at this point for their party's nomination had an unfavorable rating north of 50% at this point. this is the first time that is ever the case. the first time ever. people do not like either of these two gentlemen. the favorable views of biden and trump are south of 40%. if you look, there's nearly a third of the electorate, nearly a third who do not have a
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favorable view of either of those guys. >> but if they had to pick somebody, are there numbers on who they would pick? >> yes, i think this is the key. i feel like having deja vu of going back to 2016 a little bit. there was a similar thing that was going on there where you had two very unpopular candidates by the end of the campaign and donald trump won the voters who had a unfavorable view of either candidate. those viewers now favor joe biden by ten points and that's the reason he's ahead is because the voters who don't like either one of them like joe biden. if joe biden continues to lead amongst that group, chances are he's going to win re-election. >> harry enten, appreciate it. governor desantis was asked about his polling while on a trip to japan. this was his response. >> governor, polls show you falling behind trump. any thoughts on that? >> i'm not a candidate, so we'll see if and when that changes. >> i'm joined by cnn political
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commentator, david urban, and cnn political analyst gloria borger. gloria, so many americans don't want a rematch between former president trump and president biden. >> as harry pointed out this isn'ts first time people on both sides had to hold their noses and vote for a president they really didn't love. but the system is this way. for the democrats, biden did well in the midterm elections, better than anyone expected, so lots of democrats who were thinking about running sort of backed away and he is the incumbent president whom they believe can actually beat donald trump. as for trump it's a little more complicated because there's going to be primaries and there's going to be lots of candidates. if there are lots of candidates, that's good for donald trump because he has a very loyal base of supporters. however, if it comes down to two candidates, say desantis and trump, then it's a different story. >> david, you've been enthusiastic on the air about governor desantis' potential candidacy. obviously he's not officially
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running yet. he's sure speaking like a candidate, traveling like a candidate. he has been struggling against the former president. what do you make of where he's at? >> he's not doing so well right now, anderson. a lot of desantis supporters are hoping he steps up his game in a variety of different ways and he really isn't in the race yet, so we'll wait and see, like he said. he'll be concerned about it in another 30 days when he is a candidate and is officially in. i liked harry's pointing out some of these facts. interesting in that nbc news poll that was recently out, 70% of americans don't want biden to run again. that's an overwhelming number. seven in ten americans don't want him to run. it's incredible. these head-to-head polls i discounted a bit because this trump versus biden because just like harvey gant and a lot of past politicians, people aren't going to admit to pollsters just like we saw in 2016 campaign, people didn't admit that they were going to vote for trump an
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they came out and trump amazingly won somehow. so i'd be very suspect of polls, especially if they're within the margin of error as most of these are right now. so it's going to be -- it will be a very interesting race. >> we've certainly all learned to be suspect of polls. i feel like we learn this every cycle and yet we continue. >> by the way, the midterms, we were waiting -- we all sat next to each other waiting for this giant tsunami. >> gloria, governor desantis said he's a no drama politician and yet he's engaged in this battle against disney. there's certainly a lot of drama about that. >> yeah. >> he's also made the case for his electability but he just signed a six-week abortion ban in florida when 60% of voters in america are pro choice. clearly he wants to be to the right of the former president on this issue to stand apart from him. but what do you make of where he's at? >> well, i think, first of all, he's been a lot of drama. when you take on disney and you lose, that's a lot of drama.
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and it gives your opponents an opportunity to say, well, if you can't take on disney in florida, what's he going to do in ukraine? what's he going to do with putin? he's an inexperienced national candidate. and so people who like him now might not stay with him. people are starting to raise questions about him. and so, you know, i think that this short-term abortion ban, the six-week abortion ban is not going to help him at all with suburban women voters. so you run to the right of trump to win a primary but then you have to tak ck back if you get nominated and have to win the election. i don't think suburban women voters are going to forget the abortion ban in florida. >> david, the fulton county d.a. said late today she's going to announce late this summer whether she'll charge the former president in the efforts to overturn the 2020 election. there's that, which could obviously be messy. the first republican primary debate is set for this august.
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>> anderson, we sat there, i sat next to you when you announced 1:24 p.m. the former president is in custody. that was a pretty historic moment. the president's poll numbers went up. so i don't expect what the fulton county d.a. does or special counsel here may or may not do is going to impact president trump's numbers one about it. i just don't see it happening. he went through two impeachimpeachments and survived and his numbers remain robust. it will be interesting to see what happens but i don't think it will have an impact against the very core trump voters. >> let me just -- i just want to say people who are worried about trump, it's not going to convince them to vote for him. he's not going to get any more voters because he's been indicted. >> no, he's not going to gain any numbers, correct. he's not going to lose any. >> that's what he needs, though, he needs more.
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>> david, gloergloria, apprecia. next we take you to sudan. this girl was pulled from the rubble. we'll have the latest in the evacuation of americans and who the u.s. says both sides in the battle have now agreed to do, next. ththat's it. miracle-gro. all you need to know to grow. ♪ this is for those who've been waiting. ♪ not patiently. but deliberately. ♪ waitg for a more considered approach to an ectric vehicle. ♪ and the experience that comes with it. ♪ the first-ever all-electric rz. ♪ this is electric, powered by lexus. ♪ knowing where you came from, it gives you a sense of “this is who i am”. oh my goodness... wow, look at all those!
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tonight we have new video to show you just how dangerous the fighting between the two military leaders in sudan has become. residents in the capital of khartoum tell cnn a girl was pulled out alive from rubble after an air strike today. she reportedly was one of five civilians injured in this one strike. at least 50 were injured in shelling in the capital according to the sudanese doctors trade union.
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so far more than 400 people have been killed in the war and more than 3,500 others injured. as of right now we're told a cease-fire has been called. u.s. secretary of state antony blinken says the agreement for a three-day cease-fire came about after what he described as intense negotiation between the sue sudanese forces and the rapid defense forces. food and medical supplies are running low. the hope is replacements can be made during the lull in fighting. the cease-fire may help dozens of americans who want to leave the country. all u.s. government employees were evacuated in a u.s. military operation over the weekend. sam kiley has more. >> reporter: relief for the few evacuated to safety. misery for the many left behind. the multi-national rescue effort involving special forces from across the world is under way with a focus on rescuing diplomats and their families from the horror of sudan's new civil war. >> my first priority is the
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safety of our people and i determined that the deteriorating securities conditions in khartoum posed an unacceptable risk to keeping our team there at this time. >> reporter: but an estimated 16,000 americans, thousands of other foreigners and of course countless sudanese remain. they're engulfed in may hem amid growing violence. >> quite frankly the situationdo conduct a military evacuation of american citizens. >> reporter: france has evacuated around 500 people. the u.s. less than 100. >> so you've got wfp, msf, icrc. >> reporter: rescue missions use this modest airport as a military hub. >> do you feel that you're at the center of a storm here? >> exactly, yes. exactly. and we are proud of this because we -- for the size of our airports, we can manage all the
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western countries, all the asian countries, the african countries. it has become the center of this war. >> reporter: a mass evacuation by air of foreigners from sudan like these would be a gigantic operation of the sort seen in kabul, but it's an unlikely prospect. >> i wrote a letter to the white house. i don't know what more we can do because we simply just want to get them out. it seems like there's simply no communication, no care whatsoever given to anybody, any american sueddanese citizens in sudan. >> reporter: with prisons emptying and violence spreading, there's no immediate prospect of rescue, much less of peace. >> sam kiley joins me now. what are you learning about the cease-fire? >> reporter: well, anderson, i suppose it does raise the dim prospect, i think, of some kind
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of longer term peace. that is partly, i think, the reason why the two sides have agreed to this 72-hour cease-fire. it's about a little over an hour old in khartoum now. it is very, very early in the small hours of the morning, so one would not expect a great deal of violence to be under way. so it would appear to be holding at least until dawn. dawn will be the test really of whether or not there is something real behind this cease-fire. remember, anderson, there was supposed to be a cease-fire at the end of the weekend and there was some slide return to normality in one or two pockets of khartoum and elsewhere in the country, but essentially that series of evacuations that were pioneered by the united states with that daring raid effectively in khartoum was conducted in the teeth of ongoing combat when there was supposed to be a cease-fire.
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so there won't be a great deal of hope set by it yet in khartoum. but if it lasts for three days, it will be an opportunity to start getting more people out of the country over land. longer term peace is the hope but it's not really likely i don't think, anderson. >> appreciate it, thank you. joining me now is john limbert, former ambassador of the islamic republic of moratania. he was one of two americans held hostage by iran from 1979 to 1981 after the seizure of the embassy in tehran. thank you for being with us. >> thank you, anderson. >> we saw americans trying to get out and diplomatic people evacuated from sudan. how difficult is it in a situation like this to get american citizens out? >> it's very difficult. it's very difficult to get anybody out. when you have essentially three ways of getting out, you can go out by road, which was not possible. you can go out through the airport, which is also not possible. so then you have to do this very difficult effort of bringing in
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helicopters at night, 800 miles, having to fly 800 miles and refuel on the way. we know how dangerous and difficult that is. i salute our military colleagues and our colleagues at the embassy and state department who had to coordinate this. >> foreign nationals from a number of different countries are working in khartoum. i was listening to i think it was a bbc interview over the weekend on the radio with a british citizen who was leaving with others that their employer had actually organized the buses to get them out. when an embassy itself is shutting down, there's only so much embassy personnel can do for americans who are also in that city, i would imagine? >> well, when you're chief of mission, you're responsible for all americans, the safety of all americans in the country. but as you said, if we're reduced to taking people out by helicopters and there are 16,000 american citizens in sudan, it's
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not going to happen. you do what you can. you do what you can. i mean, for example, maybe the cease-fire will allow then some more people to get out either by airport, through the airport or by convoy. >> do you think a lot of lessons were learned in the wake of what happened to you in tehran? >> well, i hope they were. i hope they were, anderson. but the thing is, these things hit you when you don't expect them. i mean you prepare and you plan, but something like what happened in sudan, people didn't predict. what happened to our ambassador stevens in benghazi, people didn't predict it. what happened in tehran should have been predicted. we were left in place, we should have been evacuated and we were not. but it's a last-ditch thing. we hate to do it, because as diplomats we're on the ground. that's what we do.
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>> ambassador, it's really a pleasure to have you on. >> thank you. my pleasure. two more shootings impacting young people in the united states, one at a college in oklahoma, the other at an after-prom party in texas. up next i'll speak with tennessee state representative justin jones who was expelled and reappointed to the tennessee house after protesting gun violence. he along with his other colleagues that met with expulsion met with the president today to discuss gun c control. more ahead. astepro starts working in 30 0 minutes. so you can [ spspray, spray ] asteprpro and go.
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tonight a suspect is in custody and one perpendison is after a shooting at a college in oklahoma. the suspect and victim were acquainted through a domestic situation. the school lifted its lockdown but cancelled all classes and activities for the day. meanwhile in texas, at least nine teens were injured over the weekend after shots were fired at an after prom party. authorities have not yet identified a motive but say they are interviewing several witnesses and people of interest. a second shooting less than 20 minutes away from the party may be connected. this all comes as the three tennessee lawmakers who faced expulsion over their protest for gun control met with president biden at the white house today. state representative jones and pearson were expelled and later sent back to the tennessee house on an interim basis after local boards in their constituencies moved to appoint them. state representative justin jones joins me now. were you satisfied with your meeting with president biden?
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you previously said you'd be asking him to declare a public health emergency on gun violence. >> thanks for having me, anderson. we talked about many things in our meeting. i was grateful to talk about this continued movement for common sense gun laws that's taken hold of the nation right now. we talked about how it's necessary to lift this up as a moral issue and to do things that are outside of the ordinary to make sure that we can get common sense gun laws passed and continue that movement forward and break the partisan divides around this issue because the vast majority of americans do support common sense gun laws. >> what was it like sitting in the oval office? is this your first time in the oval office? a first time is kind of interesting. i'm curious to know what it was like. >> it definitely was surreal. i'm 27 and you see pictures. but what we saw were the busts of different movement leaders. we saw a bust of cesar chavez, of dr. king, of rosa parks, of those who have led movements to transform our nation. and we are in another moment like that where we know, and i talked to the president about how this is not a moment, it is a movement. so we're tapping into that
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tradition and to see that as the -- what it was on display in the oval office was a reminder that our work continues to push this nation forward and to protect our kids and not guns. >> as you know, the president has called on congress to pass an assault-type weapons ban, universal background checks. those kind of measures don't have any realistic chance of passing at the very least. do you think you have any chance on the state level? >> i am confident that tennessee is going to set a model for the nation. we have an nra endorsed governor calling a special session for common sense gun laws because of public pressure, because of the movement led by thousands of students and community members. we lifted up -- i was one of the first lawmakers to call for a special session and we're continuing that push. so we know that this is something that the vast majority of people in our state support, republicans, independents and democrats. sos going to take political courage from my colleagues on the other side of the aisle to put the lives of children above the contributions of the nra.
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so i'm hopeful the movement will change political priorities and political possibilities and we will pass laws in the south as we have this reconstruction and this multi-racial coalition coming together to move our state forward and transform the south and in so the nation. >> there's also been a spate of shootings around the nation, ralph yarl in kansas city, shot because ralph yarl knocked on the wrong door to pick up his siblings. another young woman shot turning into the wrong driveway. what do those tragedies say about what certain people perceive as threats and think they're entitled to do? >> it talks about our culture. a culture of violence, a culture of what -- we have to consistently live with anxiety and fear for our children and for our lives. so when i talked to the president today, i talked about a story from exodus where moses was crossing the red sea and behind him was pharaoh's army and in front of him was the red
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sea. behind us are all the special interests trying to stop us from passing common sense gun laws and in front of us is this environment that ses it's not possible but if we're going to protect our people, young people like ralph, we'll have to use what's in our handing and that to take whatever extraordinary actions we can take to get common sense gun laws lifted. this is a moral issue that transcends partisan politics. it's about protecting the lives of our kids. this should not be a political issue, it is a moral issue. we hope that our colleagues on the other side of the aisle will continue to stand -- not continue but stand with the people of their district who are calling on common sense gun laws because the situation that happened with ralph should have never happened and we have the power to stop that from happening in our community and our nation. >> you talked about your governor, bill lee, calling the special legislative session on public safety. he's also calling for temporary mental health orders of protection to prevent dangerous people from having guns. he's not using the term red flag
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law, which he says is a, quote, toxic political label. how tough is it going to be to try to build the kind of bipartisan support needed to pass those new laws? i know you say you're optimistic about tennessee setting the tempo. >> it's movement that got us to this point. the governor would not be calling the special session if he did not feel the pressure. he's not calling the special session because he saw the light but he felt the fire and the pressure of a movement. and i say movement, i believe it's going to force this issue to be addressed. i know between now and then we'll be traveling to these counties with my republican colleagues and talking to the people in our districts and lifting up the issue so we can take this seriously and get action on it. i think the governor will continue to hear from the voices of people in our country. he had mothers asking him to account a. he had students who do active shooter drills asking him to act. so i hope that we continue to show the nation that if we are successful in passing common
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sense gun laws in a state like tennessee, it will give us hope in our nation. that is why it is so significant for what's going on nationwide is that we are again in a state with an nra endorsed governor calling a special session around guns and passing some type of regulation of this proliferation of guns in our community because of a movement that is multi racial, multi generational and is rooted in this moral conversation that i really believe will be transformational. and it will be young people who led these protests, this gen z that is going to force a reckoning in our state and that's what gives me hope, anderson. >> representative jones, i really appreciate you being on again, thank you. >> thank you. on cnn prime time michael smerconish speaks to one of the witnesses set to testify in the dominion voting lawsuit and what he was going to say. up ahead the officer that killed breonna taylor now has a new job with a new police department. we have details on that, next.
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tonight we learned that one of the louisville metro police officers involved in the 2020 shooting of breonna taylor who is now working for a nearby sheriff's office. detective miles cosgrove fired the shot that killed breonna taylor. you may remember that taylor was killed during a botched police raid after officers executed a warrant at her apartment. the warrant was linked to taylor's ex-boyfriend, a convicted felon suspected of supplying a local drug house. no drugs were found in the apartment and taylor's family and their attorneys maintain she was not involved in her ex-boyfriend's alleged drug deals. her death partially sparked nationwide protests in 2020 calling for changes in policing policy and laws. how the man who killed taylor became a sheriff's deputy. >> reporter: breonna taylor's mother had one word to describe how she felt after learning former louisville metro police officer miles cosgrove had been
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rehired by another department. >> anger. to think that another department would even want this guy to be a part of any department for that matter just angers me. >> reporter: according to a cnn affiliate, the sheriff's department cited cosgrove's experience as the reason behind the hire. the former lmpd officer recently started with the sheriff's department. >> on behalf of miles and mice, we don't want anything to take away or diminish the value of the tragedy that happened ho breonna taylor and her family. we're not minimizing that at all. but he definitely has had a hard road to go in getting back to trying to figure out a way to support his family in the future. >> reporter: cosgrove was one of three lmpd officers who fired their weapons during a raid on breonna taylor's apartment the night of march 13th, 2020.
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cosgrove fired more than a dozen times including the fatal bullet that killed taylor. the louisville metro police department fired him in january of 2021 for failing to use his body camera and violating the department's use of force rules. >> i started shooting as soon as i saw the flash, almost simultaneously. >> reporter: during a department hearing to appeal his firing, cosgrove expressed remorse. >> do you regret that breonna taylor ended up being shot and killed? >> of course. of course i do. it's horrible. >> reporter: the department's merit board upheld his dismissal, despite that the carroll county sheriff's department decided to hire cosgrove. his attorney notes four other officers in the raid face federal charges in connection with that raid, three accused of lying in order to obtain a search warrant. one former lmpd officer, kelly
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goodlet admitted in federal court that she and another officer had falsified information in the warrant that was used to justify the raid on taylor's apartment. u.s. attorney merrick garland says had it not been for that faulty warrant taylor would be alive today. cosgrove's attorney reminded those who oppose his client being hired that he has not been charged with any crime. >> there was a grand jury that met, the state of kentucky that cleared him of any wrongdoing, a federal grand jury was convened and also determined that there were other people who warranted being charged criminally, but myles. >> it's this good old boy system, i'm not surprised at all. >> reporter: those seeking justice for breonna taylor saying cosgrove getting a badge back is a danger to the new community he is serving. >> the people of carroll county should be very afraid. >> you don't know what to trust
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