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the removal of -- from fox news, days after the company settled with dominion voting systems with more than three quarters of a billion dollars. that case gone to trial, carlson, likely, would've been gone to testify about how the 2020 election lies were spread on scene. where at odds with what he was saying. offscreen carlson texted other staffers, that he passionately, hated former president, donald trump and that is ten years in the white house was a quote, disaster. he also used misogynists terms for sidney paul and rejected her conspiracies about the 2020 election, even though the false claims got repeated on news. his text messages, after the election, released by dominion
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attorney, also showed him disparaging fox leadership. whether his southern departure connected to the dominion, case or other lawsuits facing, fox or other reasons as a topic. we'll get into an intimate. fox said that it and carlson have agreed to part, ways and we're thankful for a surface, and said his lesean was this friday. joined now by cnn, media, reporter marvin darcy. so, do we know exactly why he was ousted? >> i would imagine that you can't disconnect this from that big dominion suit. even though tucker carlson wasn't a focal point of the suit, he did loom large over it. he was said to be one of the first witnesses, that was going to testify. in the case, and there are a lot of disparaging remarks, that he did make about his colleagues including fox news leadership and fox leadership. lucky was very critical, very generous to him about the people running fox. so, i think that may have played a role. and there's also that pending
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lawsuit, from his ex book, or abby grossberg who alleged rapid sexism, antisemitic behavior that was running wild on his show. and, then he's also got this legal notice from ray abs, that he made part of his central january six conspiracy theory, during honest program. so, there's all this litigation that's got carlson's name over. it and, you have the dominion lawsuit. and so, it seems as though fox, at some point said, enough is enough, we're going to fire him from the network. and, so we know now that loughlin, murdaugh, fox corporation ceo, as well as suzanne scott, the fox news ceo, they made the decision to let him go, and on monday morning, that's one carlson was abruptly informed that he was no longer with the network. they put out that short statement, and i should note too, we haven't heard a word from carlson since it all went down. we texted him. we call them. he's not answering me. he is not answering anyone
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else. he's totally silent. >> there's been no comment from him? do we know, is he paid out of his contract? >> i assume he's going to be paid out of this contract. and the journal reports that he was making upwards of $20 million a year. though, the washington journal of course, owned by rupert murdoch, i assume that figure is quite accurate. >> were there any signs that this was in the works? >> i think that this caught everyone off-guard, i mean no one was really expecting that tucker carlson would lose his 9 pm, 8 pm -- >> he was the highest rated host over at fox, he seemed untouchable. he seemed invincible. he often kind of touted that on the show. he would do things that other host would just simply not do. and that's because he seemed to have and enjoyed the backing of both murdaugh's, for all these years. he was with him through all and so many controversies. he would make white nationalist remarks on the show. they would be with him. he would promote conspiracy theories about covid, january six, they really backed him through all of this and so to see him not loose that is --
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>> if it was about text messages, about disparaging the leadership of all. that would be kind of stunning if that's what it was, that got him booted as opposed to many of the things he said on air. but, we may never know the full details. darcy, appreciate it. shortly after carlson was ousted, the anti-defamation league tweeted this, quote, it's about time. for far too long, tucker carlson has used his potential dispute antisemitic, racist, xenophobic, and anti lgbtq hate. they have long called for the firing under offensive, a coding spreading the great replacement theory. our gary tucker has more on the conspiracy theories that carlson helped to promote. >> tucker carlson is a broadcasting instigator. the 2020 election -- >> the outcome of our presidential election, seized from the hands of voters -- >> the capital insurrection. >> these were not insurrectionists. they were sightseers. >> the former cop, who murdered george floyd. >> i'm kind of more worried
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about the rest of the country. which, thanks to police inaction, in case you haven't noticed is boarded up -- [laughter] >> and even, regarding the green m&m candy, no longer wearing google boots. >> m&ms will not be satisfied until every last cartoon character is deeply unappealing and totally androgynous. >> 53-year-old, tucker carlson has worked at ca, and the bs and msnbc. but, it was the shock at fox news that made him one of the most powerful voices at the conservative politics. and, a leader of the modern conspiracy movement. carlson told his viewers, this right after the 2020 presidential election. >> what happened last night could not have been worse for this country, for our children, four grandchildren, for a future. >> and, as donald trump continued to beat his drum of lies -- >> this is a flawed on the american public. so we will be going to the u.s. supreme court. >> carlson continued to enable him. >> 72 million voters believe this election was fundamentally unfair.
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and, they're right about that. >> but, behind trump's fact, tucker carlson was blasting. it contradicting what he was saying on this could -- tv show. according to private text messages, released as part of dominion voting systems against fox, carlson said this to coworkers. trump needs to concede. there wasn't enough fraud to change the outcome. he started to do real damage to the party. and, we are very, very close to be able to ignore trump's words most night. i truly can't wait. and two days before the january 6th insurrection, he wrote -- >> i hate him. passionately! i can't handle much more of this. >> carlson became a vocal proponent of those who fought immigrants, and becoming to the united states, to ethnically and culturally replace white people. racist conspiracy known as the great replacement theory. >> drew's will not replace us! jews will not replace us! >> which was the -- >> this is a voting rights question, i have less political
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power because they're importing a brand-new electorate. why should i sit back and take that? [crowd chanting] >> and then, there's the insurrection. this carlson ally is still trotted out by conspiracy theorists. >> fbi, operatives, we're organizing the attack on the capital on january six, according to government documents. >> carlson ended up getting sold access to thousands of hours of january 6th capitol security video tape from speaker of the hall, kevin mccarthy. which carlson selectively sanitized, including republicans. >> and i think it was an attack on the capital. >> i think it was an insurrection at the time, i still think it was insurrection today. >> and that, recently, this carlson take on the wars, who [laughter] [crowd chanting] >> he said this about tennessee state representative, justin pearson, who was expelled from office. but then got his job. back >> justin pearson wasn't white, that's probably how he got to voting in the first place.
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but, he did a fantastic impression of it. what a nice young man, as he considered the printed chip program at citibank. >> and there was this about transgender rights. >> trans gender us do not believe in the god of monotheism, the believe that the of them themselves are god with the part to control nature. and, if you think about, if this should be a concern. because it's a recipe for extremism. >> extreme is what many believe tucker carlson has become. but, at least for now, his powerful megaphone is gone. gary tuchman, cnn, new york. >> doorknob a cnn political commentator, and -- who used to work with tucker carlson, here on cnn, when they had co-hosted crossfire, which seems like many, many on to go in terms of the personality of tucker carlson. what do you make of carlson, from fox news? and how does what he said and did on that network, over the years square with the person you work with? >> that's a good question. in fact, he needs to do the news cousins when we hosted 20 years ago.
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and, look, most of the shots back, then 20 years ago. they were about one topic, the record. tucker was for, it i was against. it and he doesn't have those years anymore. kind of neoconservative, foreign policy. but he doesn't want to send weapons to ukraine to oppose putin. but he wanted to send troops to iraq to oppose sudan. and, domestically, he seemed to be a libertarian man. he seems not at all to be a libertarian now. i, mean gary just cover chapter and verse of. it the kind of things that he says it. fox there's a really, really different person. personally, we've got a long file. we disagreed on everything. unfairly polite. the piece, reporting, really resonated with. me based on long ago experience with him was trashing management. he is a guy who does not like management. he does not like being bossed or edited or corrected or supervised. and he certainly made comments he didn't like management when he was here at cnn. and i haven't talked to him, of course in years. but i suspect he's not --
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the reporting is probably very accurate, that he was trashing fox executives. >> the of any sense of what the change was? if there was a time when he was arguing? i think, when, early on with the daily color, there was a speech he made when he was talking about sort of trying to make a new york times, for the right. and, factually correct and audience members started booing him. i was reading about this in the new yorker, awhile back. do you think you just read the tea leaves? where the republican party was going? and decided he wanted a bigger paycheck? and, he jumped to the head of the pack by being the most outrageous? >> i don't know. i don't know. did he do it for the money? which was a spectacular night? or did he really change and believe that? >> because, what he said he believed about trump was clearly not what he actually
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believe, if you look at the text messages he was sending. he just did a fawning interview with donald trump. a man he clearly is still pretending he likes because, it's like a lot of these guys who, there were a number of television and radio people who were never trumpers. and, they supported ted cruz, others and then finally saw the writing on the wall. and that had to come to macomb of mint movements. >> i think it's like a lot of conservatives, he backed into it. i think he understood trump was appalling to his own sense of values. but trump had all the right enemies, i think for tucker. tucker was not pro trump at first. he was anti anti trump. and it was very easy for him to say well, i can't stand and nazi pelosi -- they can't stand the media. so, they opposed trump. so i'm going to attack them.
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he clearly did have -- tucker would've used the word throne sniffing with trump the other day. that was a phrase he used with, others who gave funding interviews. do the remaining host at fox, who replaced tucker carlson is there no incentive to tone down their own runner. >> no. they're not gonna change. i, think right wing media, in the last 25 years, is all about the overton window. what i think is unacceptable 20 years ago, tucker didn't say any of those things when i ordered him in crossfire. it's not mainstream conservative media. and, it's only going to get more. here's what i'd like to see. here's how we'll know that fox is changed. they won't do. it foxes changed, if they replace tucker with an on documented mexican immigrant. that would actually be a true replacement. >> i can't imagine them -- if you're willing to let go of tucker carlson, with his writing, why wouldn't they get him instead of her?
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>> they have taught everybody. you could fire your biggest star, and define. >> yes, -- >> they fired pack. tucker got his job because they fired o'reilly. it just keeps rolling. on but, what it doesn't do at fox is moderate. it's not like they're pivoting towards the truth, right? we know from the dominion lawsuit that many of them knew they were lying. and, they didn't care. so, i, mean i'm not expecting any change in fox news, i'll be very surprised if there's any moderation. there >> yes, appreciated. thank you so much. the results in the news in the media, that they closed don lemon is no longer with the network, cnn ceo chris lake made the announcement in an email, to staffers earlier today. saying, in part, quote, cnn and don have parted, ways don will forever be a part of the cnn family. we thank him for his contribution over the past 17 years, we wish him well. we'll be cheering him on in his future endeavors. still to come, tonight, ahead of president biden's expected announcement tomorrow, looks very possible that the 2024 election might be a rematch between him and former president trump.
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there's no -- it's about a possible rematch between him and the former president as well as how the former president is fearing against his closest challenger, for ron desantis. joining that for -- harry enten, so, what did the number? say >> all right, so, if joe biden was facing off a 20 plus republican. a generic republican, a republican that doesn't exist, he would be done by six points. if it was facing off against him on the sentence, who's mostly unknown, nationally, not to hurt feelings about him, he'd be down by three points. but, if you faced him off against the former president, donald trump, all of a sudden joe biden is up by three points. so, if i'm in the white house, right, now i am hoping and praying that donald trump is the republican nominee. because, by far, biden's strongest against him. >> what about the ratings for biden and for trump? >> well, i am somebody who likes to go into the spreadsheets, study history. >> sure, everyone says that about you. >> that's exactly right. so, i went back. i looked, is there any case in which the two leading
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candidates, at this, point for the party's nomination had an unfavorable rating, north of 50% at this particular point? this is the first time that is ever the case, the first time ever, people do not like either of these two gentlemen. the favorable views of biden, trump for south of 40%, and if you look, there's nearly a third of the electorate nearly a third who did not have a favorable view of either of those guys. >> but, if they had to pick somebody, are their numbers on who they would pick? >> yes, so this i think is the key. i feel like having déjà vu of going back to 2016 a little bit, right? there was a similar thing, that was going on there. when we had two very unpopular candidates by the end of the campaign. and donald trump won the voters who had a favorable view of neither candidate. but look at where we are now. those voters, who have a favorable view of either candidate, favor joe biden by ten. points and, that is the reason he's ahead right now. because the voters who don't like either one of them preferred joe biden. i think that's the group we're going to have to pay attention to. if joe biden continues to lead among the group, chances are, he's gonna win reelection. >> harry enten, appreciated.
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>> thank you. governor desantis was asked about the, pulling while on a trip to japan, this was his response. >> governor, we also you falling behind trump? >> i am not a candidate, so we'll see if and when that changes. >> joining now by cnn political commentator, david irvine, one-time campaign adviser to former president, and senior political analysts. so, so many americans say they don't want to rematch between president biden, and former president trump. why is it looking like they're most likely scenario? >> as harry pointed out. this would be the first time in american history that people on both sides had to hold their notices and vote for a president that they really did not love. but, the system is this way. for the democrats, biden did well in the midterm elections. better than anyone expected. and, so, lots of democrats who are thinking about running, sort of backed away. , and the is the incumbent president, who may believe can actually beat donald trump. for trump, it's a little bit more complicated. because there's going to be primaries. and, there's going to be lots of candidates.
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and, if there are lots of candidates, that is good for donald. trump because he has a very loyal base of supporters. however, if it comes down to two candidates, desantis and trump then it's a different story. >> david you've been enthusiastic on the air about governor desantis's potential candidacy, he's not running it and speaking like a candidate, traveling like a candidate who's been struggling against the former president. i'm wondering what you make of where he said? >> not doing so well, right now we understand that a lot of desantis supporters are hoping that he stepped up his, game in a variety of different ways, and it really isn't in the race yet. so, we'll wait and see. like he, said he'll be concerned about it in another 30 days, when he is a candidate and officially in. i liked harry's point things out from these facts. interesting in, that nbc polling was out, 70% of americans said that they don't want biden running. that is an overwhelming. number seven in ten americans don't want him to. run i, mean it is incredible.
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and in these head to head polls, i discounted a. bit because, this trump versus biden because, just like harvey kent, a lot of past politicians, people are going to admit to posters, just like we saw in 2016, in 2016 campaigns, people admit that they were going to vote for trump. but then they came on and trump amazingly one somehow. so, i'd be very suspect to polls. especially if they're within the margin of error. so most of these are right. now >> it will be a very interesting race. >> certainly we all learn to be suspect to polls. i feel like we learn this every cycle. yet, we continue. >> by the way, the midterms, right? we're waiting. we all sat next to each other, waiting for this giant tsunami. >> so, gloria, governor desantis said he said no drama politician. and, yet, he's engaged with this battle against disney, there's certainly a lot of drama against that for his electability. he signed a six-week abortion
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ban in florida, registered voters identify for pro choice, in the recent gallup polling. clearly, he wants to be to the right of the former president on this issue to stand apart from him. what do you make of where he's at? >> well, i think, first of all, he's been in a lot of drama. when you take on disney, and you lose, that's a lot of drama. and, it gives your opponents an opportunity to say, well, if he can't take on disney and florida, what's he going to do in ukraine? what's going to do with putin. he's an inexperienced, national candidate. and, so, people who like him now might not stay with him. people are starting to raise questions about him. and so, i think that this short term abortion ban, the six-week abortion band is not going to help a mental with suburban women voters. so, you run to the right of trump to win a primary. but then you have to check back, if you actually get nominated and have to win the election. and, i don't think suburban women voters are going to
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forget the abortion ban in florida. >> david, as you know, the fulton county georgia d.a. said, that lay, today she's announcing sometime this summer, what they should charge the former president -- there is that. i, mean which could obviously be messy. the first republican primary debate is set for this august. >> yes, anderson, we sat there and sat next to you when you announced 1:24 pm, former president is in custody, right? that was a pretty historic moment. and the presidents poll numbers one, up so i don't expect that what the fulton county d a does or special counsel here may or may not do is going to impact president trump's number one bit. i just don't see it happening. i think he went through two impeachments and survived and his numbers continue to remain robust. so i think it will be interesting to see what happens. but i don't think it will have an impact on monks the very core trump voters.
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>> well, i just want to say, people who are worried about trump, it is not going to convince them to vote for him. he's not gonna get any more voters. >> no, he's not gonna gain any, numbers correct. he's not gonna lose any. >> that's what he needs, he needs more. >> david orban, gloria, coming up next, we'll take you to the capital of sudan under attack, heavy bombardment between the war and military groups in khartoum. this girl was pulled from the rubble, walls have the latest on evacuations with the u.s. said both sides in the battle have agreed to do next. this electric feels different... because it's powered by the most potent source of energy there is ... you. this is the lexus variety of electrification ... inspired by, created for and powered by you. ♪
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tonight we have new video showing you just how dangerous the fighting between two military leaders and sudden have become. residents in the capital of khartoum tells cnn, a girl was pulled out alive from rubble in an airstrike today. you see it there. she reportedly, was one of five civilians injured in the one strike. at least 50 people were injured in shelling in the capital, according to southern needs doctors. so far, according to world health organization, more than 400 people have been killed in the war and more than 3500 others injured. right, now we are told a cease-fire to husband. called anthony blinken says the agreement for a three their cease-fire came after what he said was intense negotiation between the southern east armed forces or stuff. and the paramilitary group, the rapid support forces rsf, food and medical supplies are running low in the capital. the hope is that deliveries can
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be made during the fighting. secretary blinken also says the cease-fire may help dozens of americans want to leave the country. all u.s. government employees were evacuated from the embassy in khartoum, and the u.s. military operation over the weekend. cnn sam kiley has more. >> relief, for the few evacuated to safety. misery for the many left behind. multinational rescue efforts, involving special forces from across the world is underway. with the focus on rescuing diplomats and their families from the horror of sudden's news civil war. >> my first priority is the safety of our people and i determined that deter security conditions in khartoum post an unacceptable risk to keeping our team there at this time. >> but, an estimated 60,000 americans, thousands of other foreigners and, of course, catalyst sudden east remain. they're engulfed in mayhem, amid growing violence. >> but, quite frankly, the
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situation is not conducive, not safe to try to conduct some kind of a larger military evacuation of american citizens. >> france has evacuated around 500 people. the u.s., less than 100. >> so you have wfp, msf, icrc. >> rescue missions, use this modest airport as a military help. >> so, do you feel that you're at the center of a storm here? >> exactly. yes. exactly. and we are part of this because from the sides of our airports, we can manage all of the western countries, all the asian countries, the african countries, which became the center of this war. >> a massive evacuation by air foreigners from's sudden like his parents, would be a gigantic operation of the sort scene in kabul. but it's an unlikely process. >> i wrote a letter to the white house. i don't know what more we can do, because we simply just want
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to get them out. and, it seems like there are simply no communication, no care whatsoever given to anybody, any americans that any citizens currently in sudan. >> with prisons emptying and violence spreading, there is no immediate prospect of rescue. much less, of peace. >> and sam kiley joins me now. what are you learning about the cease-fire? >> well, anderson, i suppose it does raise the dim prospect, i think, of some kind of longer term peace. that is partly, i, think the reason why the two sides have agreed to the 72 are cease-fire. it is about little over an hour old in khartoum now, and it is very, very early in the small hours of the morning. so i would not expect a great deal of violence to be underway. so, it would appear to be holding at least until dawn.
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don will be the test, really of whether or not there is something real behind the ceased fire. remember, anderson, there was supposed to be a cease-fire at the end of eid over the weekend. and there was a slight return of normality in khartoum. but, essentially, a series of evacuations were pioneered by the united states with that daring raid effectively on khartoum, with three helicopters that was conducted in the teeth of ongoing combat, when there was supposed to be a cease-fire. so, there won't be a great deal of hopes it by a. to khartoum, but if it last for the days it would be an opportunity to start getting more people out of the country, and overland. >> well, the piece, that is the hope that is not really likely. >> yes, some kylie, appreciated. joining me now is john, the affairs of the u.s. embassy into. then also former ambassador of the islamic republican, and also one of 52 americans held
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hostage by around for 444 days in 1979 to 1981 after the siege of the u.s. embassy in tehran. ambassador, thank you for being with us. >> thank you anderson. >> we've been seeing americans trying to get out. we saw diplomatic personnel evacuating from sudden. how difficult is it in a situation like this to get american citizens out? >> it's very difficult. it's very difficult to get anybody, out when you have essentially three ways of getting, and you could go by road, which is not possible. you could go out through the airport, which is also not possible. so then you have to do this very difficult effort of bringing in a helicopter at night. 800 miles. having to file 800 miles, and refuelling the. we know how dangerous and difficult that is, and i salute both our military colleagues and our colleagues at the embassy and state department who had to coordinate this. >> there are foreign nationals from a number of many different countries working in khartoum,
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i was listening to, i think it was a bbc interview, over the weekend on the radio with a british citizen who was leading with others that their employer had actually organized the buses to get them out. we won an embassy, itself, is shutting down. there is only so much embassy personnel can do for americans who are also in that city. i would imagine. >> well, when you're chief admission, you are responsible for all americans, the safety of all americans in the country, but as he said, if we are reduced to taking people up by helicopters, and there are 16,000 american citizens in sudden, it's not going to have been. >> yes, but you do what you can. i mean, for example, maybe the cease-fire will allow some more people to get, out either by airport, through the airport or by convoy. >> do you think a lot of lessons were learned in the wake of what happened to you in tehran? >> well i hope that they were.
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i hope they were anderson. but, the thing, is these things hit you when you don't expect them. you prepare, you plan but something like what happened in sudden, people didn't predict. what happened to our ambassador stevens, people didn't predicted. what happened in tehran should have been predicted. we were left in place, we should have been evacuated, and we were not. but, it is a last -- because, at diplomats, we are on the ground. that is what we do. >> ambassador, it's really a pleasure to have you on. >> thank you. my pleasure. >> two more shootings impacting people in the united states. one at a college in oklahoma, another done after prom party in texas. up next, i'll speak with tennessee state representative, justin jones, who was expelled and reappointed to the tennessee house after protesting gun violence. he along with this other colleagues have faced expulsion with the president today. to discuss gun patrol. more ahead.
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tonight, a suspect is in custody, one person is dead after a shooting in oklahoma. according to the midwest city police chief, the suspect and victim were acquainted through what the chief described, a domestic situation. the school lifted its lockdown, canceled all classes and activities for the day. meanwhile, in texas, at least 19 were injured over the weekend, after shots were fired at an after prom party.
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authorities have not yet identified a motive, but they're interviewing several witnesses and people of interest, police also say a shocking shooting, less than 20 minutes from the party may be connected. this all comes us through tennessee lawmakers, who face expulsion over their protests advocating for gun control met with president biden, at the white house today. state representative jones, and pearson, were expelled. later sent back to the tennessee house on the interim basis, after their constituencies voted to reappoint them. the motion to expel johnson failed, as you, know by one. voigt state representative, justin jones, joins me. now great to have you. back were you satisfied with dominion president, just -- because we were asking him to declare >> thanks for having me, anderson. and we talked about a lot of things in the meeting, it's good to talk about the continuing movements against gun laws. that's really taken ahold of the nation right now. we will talk about how it's necessary to lift this up as a moral issue and to do things that are outside of the ordinary to make sure that we get comments on gun laws passed
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and continue to move forward and break the parts and divides around this issue because the best of the majority of american support gun laws. >> what was it like sitting in the oval office? was it your first time? the first time is what is interesting, i wonder what it was. like >> it's definitely was surreal. i'm 27 and you see pictures, but what we saw when we -- a bust of different movement leaders, of chavez, martin luther king, rosa parks. we saw -- and i talked to the president about how this is not a moment, it's a movement. so we are tied about this tradition and see what was on display in the oval office was a reminder that our work continues to push this nation forward and protect our kids against guns. >> as you call -- weapons ban, the universal background checks, give us the split partisan control, the chamber is to say -- this filibuster role, those measures don't have any realistic chance of passing right now the very least.
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do you think you have any chance on a state level? >> i am confident that tennessee is going to set a model for the nation. we have an nra endorsed governor calling a special session on gun laws because of public pressure, because of the movement that by thousands of students and community members. we lifted up one of the lawmakers to call a special session. we continue to push. we know that this is something the vast majority of people in the store to support republicans, and democrats. so it's gonna take courage from my colleagues on the other side of the aisle to put the lives of our children against the contributions of the nra and the tennessee guns association. we hope that the movement will change political -- possibilities and we will pass laws in the south as we head have this reconstruction look, this multi -- chance from the south and in so doing the nation. >> they've been shootings around the country that -- which self defense has been in vote. in texas, --
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in new york. shot because he knocked on the wrong door to pick up his siblings. another woman shot in her car turning into the wrong driveway. what do those tragedy say about what certain people perceive as threats and think they're entitled to do? >> it talks about our culture. a culture of violence. a culture of when we have to consistently live with anxiety and fear for our children and our lives. so when i talk to the president today, i talked about the story from exodus where moses was crossing the red sea and behind it was fair's army in front of him, and in front of him was the red sea. and in front of -- since guns, and in front of us the red sea is the inaction, the political environment. it's not possible to past comments and gun laws. if we're gonna protect our children, people like ralph, we are gonna have to use what's in your hand and that is to take whatever extraordinary actions we can take to get common sense gun laws lifted. and that's what i left the meeting talking about. it's a moral issue, a
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transcends partisan politics. it's about protecting the lives of our kids, that's what we're saying, it shouldn't be a political issue, it's a moral issue. we hope that our colleagues from the other side of the aisle will continue to stand. not only continue, but continue listen to us and -- common sense gun laws because the situation that happened with ralph should've never happened and if we had the power to stop that from happening in our community, and in our nation. >> you talked about your governor billy calling the special legislative session on public safety. he's also calling for what he calls a temporary mental health orders of protection to prevent dangerous people from having guns. he's not using the term red flag law which he says is a, quote, toxic political label. how tough is it going to be to try to build the kind of bipartisan support needed to pass those new laws? i know you say you're optimistic about tennessee's setting the tempo. >> it's a movement that got us into this point. the governor would not be calling a special session if he did not feel the pressure, and he's not calling the special session because he saw the --
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he felt the fire in the pressure of a movement. and that's a movement is going to, i believe is going to force this issue to be addressed. between now and then we're gonna be traveling to these counties and my republican counties and talk about -- lifting up the issue so we can take things seriously and get action on it. i think the governor is going to continue to hear from the voices of people in our community. we had musicians and singers -- we have mothers from common elementary asking him to act. we have mothers asking biden -- are hope to that we can to show the nation and we can be successful in passing common sense gun laws in tennessee, it will give us hope in our nation. that's why it's so significant for what's going on nationwide is that we are once again in a state that has an nra interest governor calling a special session around guns and present some type of regulation of this proliferation guns in our community because of movement and it's multiracial, multi generational and it's rooted in this moral conversation that i really believe it's gonna be
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transformational. and it's gonna be young people who led these protests, there's gen z that's really going to be a force that is a force of reckoning in our state and that's what gives me hope, anderson. >> representative, i appreciate you being on. again >> thank. you >> premiering on cnn prime time is -- about today's firing of tucker carlson and what he was set to reveal on the stand, that's at the top of the hour. still ahead for us, the officer who fired the fatal shot that killed breonna taylor in the box raid in 2020, that was a -- new police department. we have the details on that, next. that's it. miracle-gro. all you need to know to grow.
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protests calling for changes in policy and laws. we have the story of how the man who killed taylor became a sheriff's deputy. [crowd chanting] >> breonna taylor's mother one word to describe how she felt after learning former louisville metro police officer, miles cosgrove, had been re-hired by another department. >> anger. to think that another department would even want this guy to be a part of any department for that matter is -- it just angers me. >> according to a scene and affiliate of the carol county's sheriff departments cited cosgrove's experience as the reason behind the hire, his attorney confirmed the former lapd officer recently started with the sheriff's department. >> on behalf of miles and myself, we don't want anything to take away or diminish the value of the tragedy that happened to breonna taylor and
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her family. we're not minimizing that at all. but he definitely has had a hard road to go and getting back to trying to figure out a way to support his family in the future. >> cosgrove was one of three lapd officers who fired their weapons during a raid on breonna taylor's apartment the night of march 13th, 2020. cosgrove fired more than a dozen times, including the fatal bullet that killed taylor. the louisville metropolitan police department fired him in january of 2021 for failing to use his body camera and violating the departments use of force rules. >> i started shooting as soon as i saw the flash. i almost simultaneously. >> during a department hearing to appeal his firing, cosgrove expressed remorse. >> do you regret that breonna taylor ended up being shot and killed? >> [silence] of course.
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of course i did. it's horrible. >> the department smeared board of -- decided to hire cosgrove. his attorney notes for other officers in the raid face federal charges in connection with that raid, three accused of lying in order to obtain a search warrant. one former lapd officer carrie goodland admitted in federal court that she and another officer had falsified information in the warrant that was used to justify the raid on taylor's apartment. u.s. attorney merrick garland says had not been for that faulty ward, taylor would be alive today. cosgrove's attorney reminded those who oppose his client being hired that he has not been charged with any crime. >> there was a grand hurry that mid state in kentucky, that cleared him of any bad doing. a federal grand jury was convened and also determined that were other people who want to be in charge criminally, but
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not miles. >> it's that good old boys system. like -- so i'm not surprised at all. >> though seeking justice for breonna taylor says cosgrove getting a badge back is a danger to the new community he is serving. >> people of the county should be very afraid and should not let this higher stand. >> you don't know what to trust anymore, or who to trust. >> it's insane to me. >> the mayor of carrollton there in carol county has weighed in on this. he says he had no idea cosgrove had been hired until this just -- this past thursday. he also went on to say this was a decision made solely by the carroll county sheriff, ryan got sir, and had absolutely nothing to do with the city. the city was not consulted. nor were we required to be consulted. the sheriff's unelected position and has the authority to make his or her own personal decisions. he would also go on to say that
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