d.a. when she will announce criminal indictments against trump and his allies. >> these letters show she really does have the former president set in her sights. ♪ the sheriff's office in kentucky has hired the officer who fired the fatal bullet that killed breonna taylor. >> his entire life has been up ended as well, not to take anything away from the tragedy that happened here. >> to think that another department would even want this guy just angers me. a new three-day cease fire between sudan's war and factions is currently in effect. >> this latest pause was brokered by the u.s. secretary of state is also working with regional partners to implement a permanent end to the fighting. >> a cease fire just got announced is a good sign. we'll see where it goes. lakers down two, james a off

the window and goes! one of the all-time great lebron performances. 22 points, 20 rebounds and 7 assists. >> miami has won it and goes up three games to one! jimmy butler with the fourth most individual points in playoff game history. >> you denied it before. playoff jimmy, are you ready to -- >> it's not a thing. it's not. i just be hooping. ♪ good morning, everyone. especially to jimmy butler, unreal performance by him. i just couldn't even bereave that. but also that is not the breaking news this morning. we do have real breaking news this morning. as president biden is officially announcing he is running for re-election. the president launched his campaign with a video that took aim at republicans over abortion, social security and culture wars. >> around the country maga extremists are lining up to take on those bedrock freedoms. cutting social security that you paid for your entire life while cutting taxes from the very wealthy. dictating what healthcare

decisions women can make. banning books. and telling people who they can love. all while making it more difficult for you to be able to vote. ♪ when i ran for president four years ago, i said we're in a battle for the soul of america. and we still are. the question we're facing is whether in the years ahead we have more freedom or less freedom. more rights or fewer. i know what i want the answer to be, and i think you do, too. this is not a time to be complacent. ♪ that's why i'm running for re-election. >> and fitting with his character, president biden chose a symbolic day to make this announcement. the four-year anniversary of when he entered the 2020 presidential race. joining us now anchor of "inside politics sunday" abby phillip

and national correspondent for "the new york times" shane golmacher. great to have you on set. thank you for being here, guys. how do you think he is going to run? because last time it's during covid. you couldn't actually be criss-crossing the country for a lot of stuff. we don't expect he'll be doing this year either, right? >> he has the benefit of the incumbency which makes re-elections really different feel, at least for the first -- i mean, i would say at least the first 12 months if not longer. i remember barack obama's re-election. he basically spent the first full year doing normal presidential stuff that kind of doubles as campaign stops. then he does a fundraiser here. and the official events really become unofficial campaign events. i think we'll see the same thing from president biden. i don't think you're going to see him in the basement. we're not in that place anymore. but he's not going to be kind of in the trump mode doing huge rallies. first of all, that's not his style any way. he's not good at it.

they're going to stick with what he knows. and they're going to focus on legislative accomplishments. and you're going to see a lot of surrogates, i think, on the campaign trail for this president as well. >> you're seeing the co-chairs, governor gretchen whitmer, others like that. what did you make of the video? because it is striking to in the first moment, it's january 6th footage. >> yeah. this tells you where this campaign is going to begin. it tells you where the campaign is going to end. donald trump is the person that joe biden is running against and he's running against he describes maga extremists over and other and over again. that's how he starts the video. that's what the campaign will be about. abby was talking about, he is really is going to use the power of the white house to center this campaign. you're going to see even on his events today. there's a video but joe biden doesn't have a political event today. he'll go talk to a union part of his official presidential duties. there's one other event happening today the person on the ticket is doing, kamala harris she's doing an event about abortion. i think that's one of the other big issues that will be different from the last

campaign. really changed the dynamic for democrats. they're absolutely centering that in the campaign from the start. >> good point. gretchen whitmer has been out and front on that as well. the polling is not great for biden in terms of even democrats don't want to see him run again. 51% of democrats in the cnn poll over the weekend don't want to see him run again. but we want x. but it reminds us of what biden himself said in 2020 march 10th, 2020, quote, look, i view myself as a bridge, not as anything else. there's an entire generation of leaders you saw standing behind me with cory booker, kamala harris, gretchen whitmer, they're the future of this country. >> yeah. by the way, i think he probably still believes that he's a bridge. it's just that -- >> a longer bridge. >> it's a much longer bridge. and it's a longer bridge than even he expected. i don't know that biden thought i win the 2020 election and then i'll be maybe running against trump again. and so that's the situation that the country finds itself in. and i think under those circumstances biden, you know,

from when i talk to people around him, he feels pretty good about his chances up against a trump, for example. and other polls when you ask democrats if biden were the nominee, would you vote for them? the number is like 81%. so that's about where he needs to be. probably needs to be a little bit higher than that. but it's about where he needs to be with democrats. i think a lot of democrats it's a choice here. it's not just biden in a vacuum. it's biden against the other guy who's in his late 70s as well and, by the way, happens to be someone that democratic voters actively want to vote against. >> remember his first few months in office he predicted republicans moving away from trump. trump is still the front-runner of that race. that clearly has not happened. one thing that did happen, though n conservative politics is the abrupt depabture of tucker carlson from fox news. not just a question of what that means for them but also the media environment overall because "the new york times" is

reporting and we confirmed this as well that trump world was stunned by this. and of course, there's big questions of how that factors into this. >> yeah. i think that tucker carlson had emerged as one of the most important media figures for the 2024 republican primary. it's where some of the also lower tier candidates announced their campaigns. he had expressed privately some real criticisms of donald trump but then gave him a platform for an hour. he has been a driving force for the party toward trumpism on foreign policy. with his exit it will open up will there be a venue for other candidates to potentially find a home on television that supports them on that network. >> to me this is not just a media story. it's a political story. tucker carlson, as you know, he is a very influential person in the trump administration, not only what he said was critical but also he was in some ways kind of an informal adviser to republicans and to this president. he sets the agenda a lot of times on that show. if you want to know how

republican politicians are going to come down on an issue, you may want to watch his show. and with that gone on fox news, that's one thing. but i'm not sure we have seen the last of tucker carlson, really. >> i was just going to say. i think it's a great point. we have literally seen republican politicians come out the morning after they're criticized on tucker carlson and change their position. but to your last point, just because he's not on fox doesn't mean he's not anywhere. >> i would absolutely not say that this is closing the book on tucker carlson. and on his influence on our politics. i mean, i saw it when you go to his website, they have a place where people, his viewers, can sign up to learn more about what's next for him. this will be an important thing. in some ways he's going to be unleashed from the kind of whatever minor chains there were in conventional media and will be more free to say the things he said. this is not a story that is over. it's coming at a critical time

when the republican party is trying to figure out where they land. it's not just on ukraine and foreign policy. but tucker carlson has been a major driver of a real z xenophobia strain in the party. >> it has a big impact, just as abby is saying, on the party and on the media l megaphone. he has an appearance he's been scheduled to make in iowa over the summer. not saying he's going to run for office some day, but he already wants to influence this process. and so he's absolutely going nowhere. he's collecting phone numbers. he's going to have a bank of supporters. you saw the reactions from republicans yesterday. they were lemting his demise. they are people who would like to get his voice out there. >> trump was pretty surprised, too. >> trump was very surprised by it and people in his orbit. everyone was them. they'll feel the effects. shane, abby, thank you for being

here. great conversation. of course as we are speaking of former president trump, he is also set to find out this summer if he or any of his allies will be criminally charged in georgia. we have now heard from the fulton county district attorney fani willis who announced yesterday she will make a decision on indictments sometime between july 11th and september 1st. the news came in a letter she wrote to law enforcement alerting them of that specific time frame. so they have enough time to prepare security and be ready to, quote, ensure that our law enforcement community is ready to protect the public. willis' office has been investigating efforts by trump and his allies to overturn the results of georgia's 2020 presidential election. trump has slammed the case saying it's politically motivated and we should note he was not named in this letter. we are joined by tamara who broke this letter for the atlantic journal constitution. she didn't name him. her questions feeling the need to alert law enforcement. if she is going to bring charges

like a former president trump, it could bring about mass protests. they don't know what that response could look like. what else does your reporting show about this? >> pretty much every single legal expert i spoke to yesterday mentioned this is not the sort of letter that you send if you're not planning to indictment somebody like former president trump. so this is setting off all sorts of alarm bells in georgia. of course, authorities here have been closely watching what's been going on in manhattan in that separate criminal case involving the d.a. to watch the different preparations that have been made, protests, that sort of thing. and, of course, georgia is a much more closely divided state politically than new york is. and we have broader open carry laws here. so i think authorities were asking for additional time to prepare. that's what these letters are all about. >> i was really surprised, a, just to see it but also to see it two months ahead of the time frame that she also laid out for possible indictments, which could be against maybe the former president and maybe a number of other people as well,

by the way. i was just surprised at that. especially given the extent to which d.a.'s go and prosecutor's offices to keep grand juries very, very lit on them, very, very quiet. so why would she put any indicator out there at all publicly? >> i mean, there's been a lot of pressure on the d.a. she announced her criminal investigation more than two years ago. and this stems from the phone call that former president trump had with brad raffensperger, georgia's secretary of state. she's been under immense pressure to do something, especially as this case in new york has continued, especially as the justice department has continued its separate inquiries. and i think she's also planting her flag in the sand, saying, hey, i'm still continuing to work on this. but also showing that there's still work to be done. we heard last week that she was interviewing several alternate gop electors who had previously been announced as targets of the probe. it shows that there's movement. there might potentially be immunity deals in place to allow

for their testimony. and it's clear that she's finding out additional information that might help in a broader racketeering charge, something she's mentioned she's looking at from the beginning. >> can i just ask, can you explain if she goes the racketeering route she has used before in other really high profile cases, explain what that would look like to the american people? that is an interesting and novel approach. >> exactly. it's something the d.a. is known for. as you mentioned, poppy, she used it very famously here in 2015 with an atlanta public schools cheating case where she was able to secure guilty convictions for a slew of educators here. she's using it right now in a gang indictment with award winning rappers here in georgia. and it basically allows prosecutors to tell a broader narrative story with characters and people doing things on a person's behalf. so if you think of it as a pyramid, they're showing all these underlings are doing

something to further a broader cause and enterprise in this case might be the trump presidency or the white house if the d.a. was to go that way. >> one thing i'm struck by is the timing. the window that she provided is pretty big actually. we don't actually know when this is going to happen, but that is when the first republican presidential debate is set to take place. that's in august, which is right the middle of that window. what's your sense from your reporting of the political considerations that a district attorney makes in a decision like this? >> this is something when you ask the prosecutors about it, they always say that politics do not drive their decision making and that they're following the evidence, but of course it's so hard to ignore. former president trump running once again for the republican nomination and d.a. willis herself is up for re-election in 2024. and this is a fight that should the d.a. decide to pursue indictments could stretch out for years. she's paused proceedings in the past in her investigation in the lead-up to primaries and

elections which i would expect for her to do in 2024. but this creates all sorts of headaches. should she go this route, there's going to be all sorts of fights over jurisdiction. something that plays out in state courts or federal courts and that will all take time to play out. >> thank you very much. obviously kudos on breaking this story and your reporting. thank you. this morning north dakota has one of the strictest abortion laws in the country. the republican governor there has signed a measure, this happened yesterday, banning abortions with no exceptions for rape or incest after six weeks. but it does make an exception if the woman is facing a serious health risk. this new law, which makes it a felony for a doctor to perform an abortion goes into effect immediately. north dakota no longer has any abortion clinics in the state. the last one moved to minnesota in august. >> just remarkable the broader landscape of what that looks like. also this morning, the police officer who was fired after shooting and killing

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♪ this morning, the former louisville detective who fired that fatal shot that killed breonna taylor three years ago now has a new job. myles cosgrove's attorney says his client has been hired by a sheriff's office in a rural county 50 miles from louisville. cosgrove never lost his state peace officer certification. he could apply for other law enforcement jobs in the state which he did and has gotten. cosgrove is a reminder who fired 16 rounds into breonna taylor's home during that botched raid that happened the middle of the night in 2020. taylor's death, along with the murder of george floyd sparked a wave of protests across the united states for police reform. joining us now with the news this morning is tamika palmer, breonna taylor's mother and lanetta baker one of the family's attorneys. thank you both for being here this morning. tamika, i can't imagine how

painful it is to hear this news. i wonder what your reaction was when you heard this. >> disappointment. >> were you surprised? >> i wouldn't say i was surprised. i still can't believe it, i'll say. but not surprised at all. >> one of the things we were talking about and thinking about is i just wonder -- because now he's allowed to be at work in the sheriff's department. has the carol county sheriff's office reached out to you at all about this? or have you reached out to them? >> no. neither. i haven't reached out and they definitely haven't reached out. i'm just disappointed in them. i just -- i can't understand why you would want this type of

person to work in your department. i'm scared for the people of carol county. >> our colleague jason carroll, who has reported on this, spoke to the attorney for officer cosgrove last night. i want to play you part of what she said and get your reaction. here it is. >> on behalf of myles and myself, we don't want anything to take away or diminish the value of the tragedy that happened to breonna taylor and her family. we're not minimizing that at all. but he definitely has had a hard road to go in getting back to trying to figure out a way to support his family in the future. >> tamika, i can see the pain that brings. take your time. >> i'm sorry. >> don't be sorry. please take your time.

>> to say he's had a hard road is insane to me. breonna is not even here. >> yeah. >> anita, what about you as an attorney? >> i think that his comments definitely try to eliminate myles' own responsibility for breonna's murder. we're talking about a man in his own words who could not see, who could not hear, who completely lost any type of sensory being. and fired 16 rounds into breonna's home without a target. he was fired for violating police protocol and for him not to lose his certification and to

be able to police in another city is absolutely asinine. the people of carol county should be alarmed. they are in danger because this is a man, when he was -- when stress hit him, he lost all of his sensories. that's using his words. not words that we're saying about him. that was in his own statement. he said he couldn't hear. he couldn't see. he blanked out. and in response to blanking out, he fired 16 rounds. that's reckless behavior. and if the standards for federal charges were not so high, meaning that it had to be actual intentional, he would absolutely be charged with a crime. and he should be charged with a crime in the state of kentucky. >> you can see the pain on tamika's face to hear those words given obviously this. unfortunately she's not the only parent who is dealing with and reckoning with something like this. there's no national data base for officers who are fired for misconduct or resign because of misconduct. meaning they can be hired. this isn't likely the only situation where this is happening.

so i wonder what it says to people overall who are other parents also dealing with something like this. >> yeah. and this is even worse because we're not even talking about a national data base that's needed to allow departments to know when other officers have been engaged in misconduct. this was a national case. this has been on the news. carol county is less than 50 miles from louisville. carol county's sheriff's office knew about myles cosgrove. they knew about his termination. they knew about his violation of police protocol. so even wp the national data base, this would not have been. but this is about the certification. kentucky certification -- the certifying agency did not revoke his license. it should have been. if blanking out and firing shots blindly without a target is not enough to lose your certification, what is? >> i remember that day. it was august 4th, 2022, tamika, when the justice department brought these federal charges against different officers in

this shooting of your daughter. but it included civil rights violations, conspiracy, use of excess force and obstruction. and you said at the time they shouldn't have been there and breonna didn't deserve that. you are all learning today that we're not crazy. today is overdue but it still hurts. that day for you it was day 874 after losing her. you felt some sort of justice. i wonder what this does to that. >> it's a slap in the face. you know, to say -- know that all these people did these things wrong, but to say that this person can go right back out in the street and do it again is insane to me. it is unsafe. it is heart breaking. it's disappointing. and like lonit aca said, it's n

that we're saying this guy blacked out. he said in his own words, he couldn't decipher whether it was 1 in the morning or 3 in the afternoon. he completely became tunnel. he was -- those were the words he used. >> and tamika, given that, what do you say to the people who are now going to fall under his jurisdiction? >> take cover. take cover. and to fight back. not accept that. because it's unacceptable and they are not safe. >> we know this is so painful for you. we're grateful for your time, for you being willing to come on to talk about something that is so difficult for you to talk about. thank you both for coming on this morning and for joining us. >> thank you for having us. >> thank you. >> absolutely. >> hard to hear that. >> mother's pain, grief all back to the surface. we'll keep following this very closely and see what happens as

a result. meantime, the college board on monday announced it is going to make changes over the next few months what they already revised that ap african-american studies course that got a lot of attention. the board released its revisions in february and immediately faced criticism some what thought, what are you doing? this omits key concepts influenced by political pressure some said in florida where officials rejected the course. florida governor ron desantis argued at the time it imposed a political agenda, quote. the board this morning has not said what other changes they're going to make but did put out a statement that reads in part, embarking on this effort, access was our driving principle, both access to a discipline that has not been widely available to high school students and access for as many of those students as possible, regrettably along those dual access goals have come into conflict. we'll continue to watch what changes there. meantime, first republic bank was really in the headlines over the last 24 hour. they're going to cut a quarter of their work force as we get a first glimpse at just how hard they've been hit by this banking

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♪ drama on the montana house floor. police arrested seven people yesterday accused of interrupting proceedings. protesters were there in support of democratic state representative after republican leaders continued to forbid her in taking part on the debate on

the floor for the second week. she is transgender has not been allowed to speak on the floor since thursday after she said her republican colleagues would have, quote, blood on their hands, closed quote, if they ban gender-affirming care for transgender minors. her supporters chanting let her speak. watch this. >> sergeant of arms, will you please clear the gallery. members, will you please go to the side of the chambers. members, please go to the side of the chambers. >> let her speak! let her speak! >> the montana house freedom caucus is demanding that she be sen sooured for using inappropriate and uncalled for language their quote on the floor of the house. we'll keep following this. also this morning, two bud light executives are now reportedly being placed on leave after backlash over the brand's

partnership with a popular transgender influencer. the sponsorship includes two instagram posts seen by almost everyone now. she has more than a million followers. the beer maker sent her a can of beer with her face on it caused fallout that went for calls for a boycott to actual physical danger when anheuser-busch facilities began receiving threats. it's unclear how the controversy is going to effect their bottom line if it will affect their bottom line. the company does report first quarter earnings on may 4th. first republic bank, they're deposits tumbled some 41% in the first quarter. we just learned that yesterday from their earnings report. and the numbers showed the sheer magnitude of the banking crisis impact on that and some other regional banks. our chief business correspondent christine romans is with us now. there were questions, you know, what six weeks ago. >> right. >> if first republic was going to make it. all the big guys, big banks and big male leaders largely except for jane came into try to rescue the bank. >> yeah.

now the company says it has stabilized executives are looking to do some serious cost-cutting, 20 to 25% of the work force could be facing pink slips here. but just revealing the magnitude of those losses. when you look at it, looks like $100 billion walked out the door. those two big banks failed that week. there was just panic in the banking sector briefly. it has stabilized $100 billion people took out of their bank accounteds and moved elsewhere. they're changing the makeup of their balance sheet. the stock is down sharply here this morning. we'll watch all of the other r regional bank stocks. good look at what happened to first republic during that banking run. >> while we're keeping an eye on them, we saw a total massacre at disney with layoffs. 3m, a lot of people became familiar with during the pandemic and the role they played in that. now they're also having layoffs.

>> we heard from 3m, they're cutting jobs here on top of jobs they cut 2,500 jobs in january. now cutting another 6,000 positions. they're calling this restructuring. they want to simplify their supply chains. i've heard this from a lot of different companies especially manufacturers. they want to reduce layers of management we heard that from media companies, tech companies, collapsing layers of management. so this is this mode we're in. this cost-cutting mode. we heard from disney. they have probably 4,000 job cuts this week. they had announced, you'll remember, 7,000 job cuts overall. this will be the tough week for disney folks on monday and thursday we're expecting those announcements. bob iger wants to cut $5.5 billion in costs and job cuts are a part of that. >> is this the great reckoning post-pandemic those overhired in tech, cut way back, now 3m and disney. >> absolutely. the manufacturing side of that, part is a reckoning in supply chains. i keep hearing about simplifying supply chains and levels of

management. you're seeing that also over at disney where bob iger wants content to be directly tied in to the financial part of the business so that you have a much more streamlined what you're making and how much it earns kind of structure over there. and i think in these tech companies we'll get a lot of tech earnings this week, guys. we'll hear how those layoff have done and how they're returning to profitability. the focus now is on profitability. the focus was on growth during the pandemic. and they -- a lot of these places grew too fast and too much and now they're winding it back. >> we'll see what the cost of that looks like. >> yeah. >> christine romans, thank you as always. >> have a good morning. also this morning, former president trump has now sealed a big endorsement from a key republican senator when some other republicans have been quite quiet on his 2024 announcement. we'll talk to someone who is challenging trump for the republican nomination. former arkansas governor asa hutchinson is here live. he'll join us next. before we go to break, though, a look at the over

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donald trump has picked up a big endorsement in his bid to return to the white house. with montana senator steve throwing his support behind him now. of course senator dans is the head of the campaign arm, a key republican fundraiser. >> the best four years i've had in the u.s. senate is when president trump was serving the oval office. you talk about results, we passed and he signed a law the greatest tax cut in american history. we transformed the course, supreme court, the circuit courts. we had a country that was respected and strong. for these reasons and many others i'm proud to endorse donald j. trump for president of the united states. >> notable to hear that from a key senate republican. his endorsement is just the latest in a list for the former president. a list that now includes a number of florida republicans, of course, republicans and rival ron desantis' home state, potential rival i should note. joining us now is another potential rival, republican hoping to unseat trump atop the

gop polls in 2024, former republican governor asa hutchinson. good morning, governor. thank you for being here. what do you make of this endorsement that trump is getting from a key republican fundraiser but also the list of congressional endorsements he's gotten as well? >> well, there's little bit of incumbency there, even though donald trump lost the last election in 2020. he's still the former president. and so there's a lot of swag that goes with that. and so that's not a surprise. but i do think there is a significant number in the republican party believe that we'll have a hard time winning against joe biden in a repeat race between donald trump and joe biden. and that we're going to have to have a change if we're going to win. and we have some great alternatives. i'm going to be announcing in bentonville which i'm very excited about and talking about really the future and problem solving and the economy and what we need to do about crime and

border security. so, to me, it's about solutions and problem solving. that's what americans are really interested in. that will actually be the test as to who wins the nomination. >> and you're making that announcement formal tomorrow as you noted in bentonville. how do you plan to take on trump once you're officially in the race? >> you know, just like any other big challenge in life, you take it a step at a time. the first step is iowa. the second step is new hampshire. and it is building that level of support. tomorrow is a big day for me because the nation gets to hear my story. growing up in a small town, on a farm, the values that i learned then shaped my life and how i fought against the establishment in arkansas to build a republican party and the conservative voice. so that's an exciting day when people get to know you and you get the opportunity to campaign retail wise in iowa and other

places. you know, it makes a difference. it grows. and so, that's what we're going to do. take a step at a time. but it's also about the significant issues. and the issues that our country faces fit with my background in law enforcement, in border security, in balancing a budget as governor. so, that's the message. i think it works. >> the first step could also be some truth social posts where trump has been attacking those who are challenging him. i will note, you know, we did hear from president biden this morning at 6:00 a.m. in that video announcing today he is announcing he is running for re-election as well. with biden running for re-election and trump as the clear front-runner right now in the republican party, polls show, though, that a majority of republicans and democrats don't want either of them to be their party's nominee, but right now they are the front-runners. how do you reckon with something like that? >> well, first of all, in joe biden's announcement today, the president really focussed on the past more and some of the divisions. i would hope and would think that he would be talking about

the economy and talking about america's position in the world and strength. so, i was a little disappointed in that. but it shows the contrast. but you're right. no one wants a biden/trump replay of 2020. it was painful then. it would be painful again. and so i think they're looking for new leadership. so you just got to work it. you know, how do you do it? you go in there day by day and fight that battle because i believe in it. i think it's important for our country's future. >> the governor of north dakota has just signed into law one of the strictest anti-abortion laws in the country. we recently saw florida governor ron desantis sign a six-week bill into law there. you once as governor also signed one of the strictest abortion laws as well. is this a message republicans can win on in 2024? >> well, it's a matter of conviction, a belief as to what is right. and the answer is, yes. i believe that you win on

standing with the unborn and making it clear as to how you want to help women and problem pregnancies as well. this debate is going to continue, but it's going to be also the debate about again the economy, inflation rates, high interest rates. so this is just one layer of the issues that we have to face in the 2024 campaign. i'm pro life. i think it's important that right now the states have the prerogatives to determine their future, but it could shift to a national debate in congress. the democrats will go one way if they have control. republicans will go a different direction. and so, it's naturally a big issue and an important one for many voters. but likely, you're not going to get that consensus. you're going to have a split government. then it's going to be up to the states to make their determination. and that's how the political issues of our time are decided.

>> governor, i'm glad you brought that up because i was looking at past comments that you made on abortion, whether it is a state or federal issue. i want to show them to our viewers. >> we wanted the roe versus wade reversed and the authority to return to the states. and so as a matter of principle, that's where it should be. i don't believe that we ought to go back to saying there ought to be a national law that's passed. we've fought for 50 years to have this return to the states. we've won that battle. it's back to the states. let's let it be resolved there. >> they're calling for a 15-week minimum. if you did have both houses of congress and were president hutchinson, would you sign it? >> the answer is i've always signed pro life bills and a pro life bill that comes to me that sets a reasonable restrictions but also has the appropriate exceptions, yes, i would sign

it. >> governor -- >> we'll see. >> if it's -- sorry. the clip was still playing there. if it is a states issue as you said before, why would you sign a federal abortion ban into law? >> well, because i sign pro life laws. i want to protect the unborn. i believe that it's most likely going to be resolved in the states. the united states supreme court said it's return to our elected representatives. that could be our members of congress. but it's also first of all our states. and that's where i would prefer the issue to be resolved. but if congress, you know, if the democrats pass an abortion bill up to term, i would veto that. if republicans are in charge yes, i would likely be signing that if it's going to protect the unborn and it has those exceptions that the american people want and i think that's where we actually come together

more, is that if you have those exceptions, the life of the mother, rape and incest in there, then reasonable restrictions are something the american people -- >> given that, governor, i understand you are saying that now. but you could forgive some people of being skeptical of that because that's a position you held before but in arkansas you signed a pill into law that didn't have those exceptions. how do people know as president you would ensure those exceptions are in there? >> that's what i believe and i think it's important and i think that you see across america that's what the american public expects. and so i think that congress would respond with those exceptions in the legislation. and so that's the legislative process. that can be worked through. but i have made it clear whenever i signed the legislation in arkansas that i believe we ought to have those exceptions for rape and incest in addition to the life of the mother. we also invested more in maternal health care in making

sure our adoption services are enhanced. and so you have got to have all of that together when you are dealing with a challenge that moms face with unexpected pregnancies and needing help. >> yeah, maternal health care is a majo >> my home state of alabama tomorrow. i know you are announcing tomorrow. you will be back on the program. thank you so much for your time this morning. >> good to be with you. thank you. >> really important exchange there. ahead, thirsting for violence and organizing for objection action on january 6th, those are words in the case against the proud boys. the latest from that trial. and seriously there is a new health study about french fries and mental health. a research team in china says eating fried foods is linked to a 12% higher risk of zhang, 7%

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seditious conspiracy, high bar for that one, for what they did in the capitol attack on january 6th, 2021. all five defendants have pleaded not guilty. sara sidner is with us. and someone who covered this so deeply, not only what happened that day, but so much about the group and the movement. >> yeah. i spent a lot of time talking with -- at the time the leader of the proud boys. he since stepped down and now him and four others are on trial and they have been on trial for weeks now. a lot of people paid attention to the first trial about seditious conspiracy and that was the oath keepers. now the proud boys have five people on trial. of course, each have attorneys. that's why it's very long. the prosecution called them donald trump's army. that's how he put it out to the jury. and he said that the five men have been plotting for a long time for weeks and months before january 6th. let me let you see exactly his words. he said the capitol was the focus from the start, that they

made is plain as day that they were there. it was not to see donald trump's speech. it was not to protect patriots. it was certainly not to protest peacefully. they were to threaten and if necessary use force to stop the certification of the election. so the defense has come out and said, look, you may not like what these defendants have said, because they have heard some of what the defendants have said, they have seen -- we just saw him, the one using the officer's shield to break into the capitol literally one of the first people to break through the window and then let everybody flood in. but they said, look, you may not like what they say. they may have said things that were racist and sexist and maybe that's who they are, but that doesn't make them seditious conspirators. that's a little bit of the defense's plan here. but each have their own attorneys with their own defense. and that is why this case has gone on and on and on.

>> in an interview that you did two years ago, he acknowledged they shouldn't have gone into the capitol. do you think that affects how this shakes out? >> it's interesting. he was always very careful with his words when doing an interview with me or others, but then would go online and there would be something very different. they have used some of the things he said online. here is the conversation we had not long after some of his members had been already charged. he had not been charged and here is what he said when i asked him what he thought about what happened at the capitol and the role that the proud boys may have played. >> i am not gonna cry about a group of people that don't give a crap about their constituents. i am not going to sympathize with them. >> they are doing the job that the people put them there to do and if they don't like it they can vote them out. they are still americans. they are still human beings who felt that their lives were in danger. how can you no